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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: D4D on October 02, 2016, 01:05:07 PM
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Bathurst is next weekend, end of an era with the manufacturing plants falling silent this year, and Ford and Holden pulling back their sponsorship. Yes the current cars do not resemble the production cars, however 'win on Sunday, sell on Monday' still holds true. Massive amount of engineering/skill/luck just to finish let alone win. Let's hope it's a ripper race!
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Definitely looking forward to it!
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Each to his own.... :angel:
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This is long but funny
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnSYcI70808 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnSYcI70808)
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Yep, just about all packed. Bit of work to get out of the way then its Bathurst here I come. Cant wait
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For the 1st time in Many years l wont see the Big race live .
l have chosen to do a CFA course on the day
l must be Farfffing Nuttts . there are No Pajeros in the race :cheers:
Going to miss the 1st 10 laps though :cheers:
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Going to miss the 1st 10 laps though :cheers:
lets be honest.. you only need to see first 5-10 and last 5-10 laps and sleep in the middle and you miss very little.
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lets be honest.. you only need to see first 5-10 and last 5-10 laps and sleep in the middle and you miss very little.
That's about it really these days, although, the top10 shout out is good.
I would watch from start to finish years ago. Not now, too friggin boring.
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For me I have become worse watching the race. I now kick the family out of the house before the race starts and they are only allowed back once the race has finished ;D. I have small plates of food prepared and during the ads I get up and collect a plate, have a stretch and get ready for the next part.
This is my one day of doing absolutely nothing but watch the race :cheers: I don't even answer the phone unless it is an ad break and if the person is still talking when the race comes back on I just hang up.
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For me I have become worse watching the race. I now kick the family out of the house before the race starts and they are only allowed back once the race has finished ;D. I have small plates of food prepared and during the ads I get up and collect a plate, have a stretch and get ready for the next part.
This is my one day of doing absolutely nothing but watch the race :cheers: I don't even answer the phone unless it is an ad break and if the person is still talking when the race comes back on I just hang up.
I dont kick the clan out, but SWMBO does make sure that I get bacon and eggs before the race and prepares lunch and snacks for me during!
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For me I have become worse watching the race. I now kick the family out of the house before the race starts and they are only allowed back once the race has finished ;D. I have small plates of food prepared and during the ads I get up and collect a plate, have a stretch and get ready for the next part.
This is my one day of doing absolutely nothing but watch the race :cheers: I don't even answer the phone unless it is an ad break and if the person is still talking when the race comes back on I just hang up.
Been doing this for the entire 30 years of married life, except cans of beer instead of plates.... :) Only missed this for 2 years, when I was actually there! This year is Bathurst #46 for me.
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I have been known to blow a shift on race day.
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I have been known to blow a shift on race day.
lucky shift... :P
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lucky shift... :P
Smart ass. ;D >:D
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Again the commentators is there a back channel we can avoid them? I watched RPM yesterday and that clown Mclaughin was there sprouting about how close the last 5 bathursts have been in seconds! Felt like screaming at the TV "pace car you idiot" I like the racing but I don't need some tool beating it up.
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Again the commentators is there a back channel we can avoid them? I watched RPM yesterday and that clown Mclaughin was there sprouting about how close the last 5 bathursts have been in seconds! Felt like screaming at the TV "pace car you idiot" I like the racing but I don't need some tool beating it up.
If you've got Foxtel, use the red button.
4 channels to choose from (general coverage, in car cameras, pit lane, helicopter. I watch the general coverage, and when the ad's come on, push the red button.
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Each to his own.... :angel:
Is yours Ballet? :D
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Whingecup on pole, I really wanted Mostert to get pole.
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If you've got Foxtel, use the red button.
4 channels to choose from (general coverage, in car cameras, pit lane, helicopter. I watch the general coverage, and when the ad's come on, push the red button.
When you push the RED Button, do you go faster, or, get launched by an ejector seat?
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Whingecup on pole, I really wanted Mostert to get pole.
Who cares Holden on Pole what else do you need ??? :cup: :cheers:. Lets see just who is sucking the Fizz from the Boot at days end >:D
Bring it On .
Here is Birds big chance to get Lost :cheers:
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best thing about Bathurst is the turn off to Sofala :D
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Who cares Holden on Pole what else do you need ??? :cup: :cheers:.
What part, or parts, on the race cars does Holden make??..... (or Ford, or Nissan, or Volvo)....
Tail lights and door handles are about it.....
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What part, or parts, on the race cars does Holden make??..... (or Ford, or Nissan, or Volvo)....
(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/fighting/smiley-slapping.gif)
Tail lights and door handles are about it.....
fixed
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fixed
Thanks Bwoose, but it wasn't broken.... :P
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Four Fords in the top ten, 1 Nissan, 1 Volvo, and four Holdens....not bad Ford guys !!
Go DJR/Penske....oh....and Mostert too !!
Cheers
Rob
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Happy Bathurst Day! Time to bring out your inner bogan :cheers: :cheers:
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Beer cracked. Tv on. Red shirt on. Ready.
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What part, or parts, on the race cars does Holden make??..... (or Ford, or Nissan, or Volvo)....
Tail lights and door handles are about it.....
Care factor??? 0%. I don't watch it to go buy one. Those days finished in the late 80's
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Happy Bathurst Day! Time to bring out your inner bogan :cheers: :cheers:
l can just see you in " The Blue Singlet & stubbies " Your Woman running to keep up with the :cheers: as you rule the house from the couch :cup: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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Care factor??? 0%. I don't watch it to go buy one. Those days finished in the late 80's
True, and it can still be good to watch, but the attachment of a brand to any of the teams is purely symbolic.
The category is irrelevant, and dying. Having said that, there will be beer consumed in my shed today....again....
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True, and it can still be good to watch, but the attachment of a brand to any of the teams is purely symbolic.
The category is irrelevant, and dying. Having said that, there will be beer consumed in my shed today....again....
& Long may that be SO :cup: :cheers: :cheers:
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Just had the call phone dropped off to me... No beer for me :'(
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Not Happy with the 15 add break ever few laps . At least l know which tractor to buy , sheep drench , place to buy all my herbicides , post holes & other local stuff :'( :'( >:D
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Not Happy with the 15 add break ever few laps . At least l know which tractor to buy , sheep drench , place to buy all my herbicides , post holes & other local stuff :'( :'( >:D
they sell all that at SCA?
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Bacon and eggs on toast with the usual trimmings - complete!
Now to settle in to the favourite seat and watch the race! SWMBO will bring the required treats throughout the day!!
SWMBO and the kids will disappear to the shops at some stage to give me some piece and quiet!
I think a volvo will win.
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Spend $100 get a $25 off what ever else you don't need . Would be a great day to work there , the joint would full of wives & girlfriends with lists from Him . The other option is dead as dead m so you can watch the faarking adds >:D Might drive a bloke to :cheers:
:cheers: :cheers: not a long journey but a great place to visit :cheers:
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Fan on, Waeco loaded with ice colds, Goffa's n prawns, purring away alongside the recliner, side pile of macca's, family on notice to evacuate funnel and hose in place.. ;D ;D
All set for the start ..
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As long as we out live the adds :cheers:
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Watching it on foxtel .... no adverts during the race ..... always try to watch all ...... and my wife loves the supercars just as much as i do if not more ... :)
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Dog/house sitting for a mate who has gone to Bathurst. Best thing is he has Foxtel...
And yes, I also thing that McLaughlin will do better than he has done with Volvo - in part to spite Volvo Sweden for pulling support. (And I will be going for them as I always have)
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No foxtel sports pack in this house I'm almost driven insane with teletext that has appeared on our screen
I love Bathurst .. it's like a religion for us .. but this is killing me with all the ads and now teletext
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I wonder how much they are charged for the adds?
Is it the same as the super bowl!?
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Coffee in bed as the Porsche race was on, roll out of bed at 9.40 a.m and cook up some bacon, eggs and tomato for brekky, then sit down on the lounge to eat brekky just as they do the warm up lap...perfect timing I reckon 8)
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Just had the call phone dropped off to me... No beer for me :'(
You didn't have to answer the door!
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stuck at work today so much to my disappointment Im missing watching the race :-[
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You didn't have to answer the door!
He asked me if I would do it for him on Friday as he's been on call for the last 4 Bathursts. I was feeling charitable at the time... Now I'm feeling stupid
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lts so hard to get good help these days :'( :cheers:
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Must be getting older....or bored....turned it off while I have a lunchtime snooze.
Turn it back in for the most exciting bit....the last couple of hours.
Go the blue team :cheers:
Rob
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Power is out :(
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Power is out :(
Welcome to come here if needed. We've still got power.
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Welcome to come here if needed. We've still got power.
Thanks, I dragged the gennie out, it was due for a run anyway :)
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Must be getting older....or bored....turned it off while I have a lunchtime snooze.
Turn it back in for the most exciting bit....the last couple of hours.
Go the blue team :cheers:
Rob
not much happening in the race really, I'm getting bored myself. Just looked at the weather forecast and no rain forecast unfortunately, so not looking good for crash action today.
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not much happening in the race really, I'm getting bored myself. Just looked at the weather forecast and no rain forecast unfortunately, so not looking good for crash action today.
I generally watch the first 5 laps and last 10, if I'm home. I hope the first 5 laps aren't any indication of the last ten ::)
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4 Sale , Honda 10 gen set can be delivered , Best Offer Get it while you can :cheers:
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Anybody just see the ARB ad.?
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Interesting end to the race....whilst I'm no big fan of Whingecup, I reckon the 15 second penalty is harsh. Yes he did wrong and was redressing the situation as the rules stipulate for such an offence, but if Tander had of not tried to push through, that mess wouldn't have happened....and I actually say that liking Tander as a driver and wanted him to win out of those in the lead. Can't blame the guy for seeing an opportunity and going for it, but he's not blameless in that mess.
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Interesting end to the race....whilst I'm no big fan of Whingecup, I reckon the 15 second penalty is harsh. Yes he did wrong and was redressing the situation as the rules stipulate for such an offence, but if Tander had of not tried to push through, that mess wouldn't have happened....and I actually say that liking Tander as a driver and wanted him to win out of those in the lead. Can't blame the guy for seeing an opportunity and going for it, but he's not blameless in that mess.
Agree, and for once agree with the commentators, the re-address rule caused the accident, but as you state could have been avoided. Whincup tried to do what the rules dictate and nek minit, crash.
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Less than impressed with Whincup, yes there's taking a passing opportunity, but don't think you're the only one on the track - he managed to do it to inititate both the McLaughlin incident, and then the Tander incident.
Also I don't think that McLaughlin had much choice as to where he was heading for his reentry- not a lot of grip for stopping or steering on grass with slicks...
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Wow closest race ever! How do they keep managing to do that????
What a ****ing joke maybe we should not allow any passing at all and just run the whole race behind a pace car!
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Interesting end to the race....whilst I'm no big fan of Whingecup, I reckon the 15 second penalty is harsh. Yes he did wrong and was redressing the situation as the rules stipulate for such an offence, but if Tander had of not tried to push through, that mess wouldn't have happened....and I actually say that liking Tander as a driver and wanted him to win out of those in the lead. Can't blame the guy for seeing an opportunity and going for it, but he's not blameless in that mess.
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Happy for Will though, never led a lap in the race and he wins it...
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Happy for Will though, never led a lap in the race and he wins it...
He did a Bradbury
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Holden 1 & 2 & 3 + 1 dead Volvo :cup: :cheers:
till next year ;D :cheers: :cheers:
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Yep and I got reacquainted with VB today ???
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Yep and I got reacquainted with VB today ???
So did l , Well Done :cheers:
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Interesting end to the race....whilst I'm no big fan of Whingecup, I reckon the 15 second penalty is harsh. Yes he did wrong and was redressing the situation as the rules stipulate for such an offence, but if Tander had of not tried to push through, that mess wouldn't have happened....and I actually say that liking Tander as a driver and wanted him to win out of those in the lead. Can't blame the guy for seeing an opportunity and going for it, but he's not blameless in that mess.
I reckon Tander had too much of a hard-on thinking he was Johnny on the spot rather than check where the hell the 3rd car was.
He should've gone to Spec Savers...... Might've seen the Volvo was about to enter the track again. ;D
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I reckon Tander had too much of a hard-on thinking he was Johnny on the spot rather than check where the hell the 3rd car was.
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Wincup got the blame for the whole thing, they are doing a post race review of the volvos actions which could well lay the blame with that driver which won't help wincups result so a ruined race imo.
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I reckon Tander had too much of a hard-on thinking he was Johnny on the spot rather than check where the hell the 3rd car was.
He should've gone to Spec Savers...... Might've seen the Volvo was about to enter the track again. ;D
thought much the same myself....Whingecup may have caused the first incident, but the vehicle firing back onto the track as far as he did and Tander trying to take advantage of the situation worsened the outcome.
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Wincup has been robbed. Im no Wincup fan either but he punted Mclachlan and the penalty for that if the other car re-enters is redress, not 15 seconds. Mclachlan re-entered. Its not Wincups fault Tander and Mclachlan took each other out. And it doesnt cut it that Tander was trying to pass a slowed Wincup either. Hes entitled to hold his line while redressing. Its up to Tander to pass safely, he didn't
However you cut it, as much as id have liked to see Tander or The Gizz or Mclauchlan or even Davidson beat him, he was robbed today. I wouldnt mind betting there is reversal of some sort on that decision. I dont thing Techno should be bolting that silverware down just yet.
And, if you dont like the class or motorsport generally, bugger off back to your macrame :D
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That's Bathurst :cheers: :angel:
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Wincup has been robbed. Im no Wincup fan either but he punted Mclachlan and the penalty for that if the other car re-enters is redress, not 15 seconds. Mclachlan re-entered. Its not Wincups fault Tander and Mclachlan took each other out. And it doesnt cut it that Tander was trying to pass a slowed Wincup either. Hes entitled to hold his line while redressing. Its up to Tander to pass safely, he didn't
However you cut it, as much as id have liked to see Tander or The Gizz or Mclauchlan or even Davidson beat him, he was robbed today. I wouldnt mind betting there is reversal of some sort on that decision. I dont thing Techno should be bolting that silverware down just yet.
And, if you dont like the class or motorsport generally, bugger off back to your macrame :D
I was thinking same but it such a bussines now I bet they have some "do not appeal" legal BS in place as its a franchised business ? There is no way that decision should stand.
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That's Bathurst :cheers: :angel:
Well eggenberger had their victory scrubbed and given to the golden Peter some months after the event so I suppoe theres precendence?
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Well eggenberger had their victory scrubbed and given to the golden Peter some months after the event so I suppoe theres precendence?
Totally different governing body back then
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Totally different governing body back then
Ofcourse in was in response to the "it's Bathurst" claim. Today's it's a business I'd like to know what allowances they have signed away in the name of it. When John Bowie drove F5000 I think he travelled to races with a lawyer or one crewed for him :D
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Watching the McLaughlin interview he admitted he re-entered unsafely and effectively caused the crash. This isn't over by a long shot. It will be interesting to see if Whingecup lodges an appeal. He might not but Roland Dane probably will.
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..one of the many reasons I'm not as passionate as I used to be..
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I don't agree with the 15 sec penalty , but thems are the rules at the time. I was hoping to see Tander win , and yes I agree that he was a bit to blame in the crash.
But what pissed me off the most was having to watch adds for 2 laps every 5 on Foxtel. What happened to no adds on pay TV?
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It will be interesting to see if Whingecup lodges an appeal. He might not but Roland Dane probably will.
Dane already has...
There has to be some penalty for Whincup in all that. For him to get of scotfree is wrong, but Red Bull always get away with it.
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Red Bull's checkbook is appealing the whincup penalty.
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Watching it on foxtel .... no adverts during the race ..... always try to watch all ...... and my wife loves the supercars just as much as i do if not more ... :)
Now although the Foxtel people like to announce ad free. You know that's not the truth. The difference between me and you is, you pay for your ads.
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Well....looks like I tuned back in for the last couple of hours just at the right time....all the action happened from then on !!
My opinion: winchup appears to be only thinking of self glory and out doing Brock. No doubt he caused that accident by making a gap that wasn't really there. His record at Bathurst over the last few years is very telling.
McLaughlin was entitled to get back on the track after being pushed off by winchup. Obviously didn't see Tander. Tander was a bit cheeky in taking advantage of the situation, but the accident wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for winchup slowing.
Once again frosty choked by hitting the wall at the start of conrod which damaged something in the rear which resulted in him spearing off down at the chase once again.
I was very disappointed for coulthard as I thought he was going to win....until frosty stuffed it.
Oh well....onwards and upwards for DJR/Penske next year....I hope !
Cheers
Rob
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McLaughlin was entitled to get back on the track after being pushed off by winchup.
Actually he wasn't. The rules state that if you're off the track you have to re-enter safely regardless of how you went off. So technically the 2nd accident was McLaughlin's fault.
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Actually he wasn't. The rules state that if you're off the track you have to re-enter safely regardless of how you went off. So technically the 2nd accident was McLaughlin's fault.
Yep, spot on. There was a bit of brain fade with all three drivers.
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Letting Whincup cross the line first left the door open for an appeal..... ::) ::)
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True, and it can still be good to watch, but the attachment of a brand to any of the teams is purely symbolic.
The category is irrelevant, and dying. Having said that, there will be beer consumed in my shed today....again....
Yep agree about the brand. As DJ said today, these are purpose built race cars as oppose to the hotted up street cars he raced.
Don't think the category is irrelevant. Irrelevant to selling a brand maybe but it's racing and it's relevance is changing direction, as it has in the past before. It's not like ford sierras were ever going to sell cars in aus. But that's was the direction at the time with the WTC.
And like you plenty of beers will always be consumed on a 1000 weekend. Whatever car is racing. If fact the 12hr is almost more enjoyable.
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http://www.supercars.com/news/championship/triple-eight-lodge-protest/ (http://www.supercars.com/news/championship/triple-eight-lodge-protest/)
“It is questionable whether Jamie was guilty of any crime when you actually look at the incident with McLaughlin. The stewards have confirmed that the 15 seconds penalty is nothing to do with the aftermath. That wasn’t Jamie’s fault. It was only to do with the incident with McLaughlin.”
Interesting when you look at the footage.
http://bcove.me/xooxe28l (http://bcove.me/xooxe28l)
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not much happening in the race really, I'm getting bored myself. Just looked at the weather forecast and no rain forecast unfortunately, so not looking good for crash action today.
so it was the usual 140+ laps of follow the leader, then a bit of fluff at the end?
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Dane already has...
There has to be some penalty for Whincup in all that. For him to get of scotfree is wrong, but Red Bull always get away with it.
for the crime he committed the penalty is....he either redressed the situation himself (which is what he was trying to do), or if he doesn't do that he'll cop a drive through penalty or even like Rick Kelly (I think it was)had to do when his radio wasn't working, wait an extra 10 seconds at his next pit stop.
So technically Whincup was doing as the rules say, what happened after that was caused by the other 2 drivers....which I'll assume will be the teams arguement in the appeal.
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so it was the usual 140+ laps of follow the leader, then a bit of fluff at the end?
If you watched the whole race....boring or not, it can't have been that bad !! lol
And the rules state , after an incident you either redress or of you can't it's a 10 POINT penalty. So where did the 15 SECOND penalty come from ??
Tander played no part in the incident....if you watch it again, Scotty came back on at a too sharp an angle and drifted into Tander....Scotty even admitted it post race !!
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Yep, spot on. There was a bit of brain fade with all three drivers.
Fair comment :cheers:
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I don't like wingecup, and glad he didn't win..... but that was fk'd what he got.
What, are they not supposed to pass anymore??
If McLachlan came back on, and was let back in front, would there have been any penalty? no.
The accident was caused by an unsafe re-entry and Tander with a rush of blood trying to take advantage.
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If you watched the whole race....
whose that ****in stupid?? Nobody could sit through watching cars play follow the leader for 8 hours....
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Dane already has...
There has to be some penalty for Whincup in all that. For him to get of scotfree is wrong, but Red Bull always get away with it.
The penalty, assuming the other car comes back on, is redress. You can't redress if the guy takes himself out between coming back on and the redress.
The only question that needs to be answered is; if Mclachlan had re-entered cleanly, passed Wincup and then had his altercation with Tander would Wincup still get 15 seconds? If the answer is no then Wincup was robbed. He played no active part in the big hit and the stewards have now come out and said that.
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Is this a sport......Rather watch paint dry...... >:D >:D >:D.... ;D ;D
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Is this a sport......Rather watch paint dry...... >:D >:D >:D.... ;D ;D
Some say the same for cricket ??
If you don't like motor racing, there's a button on the remote .......maybe Days of our lives would be suitable ?? Lol
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Bring it back a notch to these days ... Guessing this should realy be in the what made you smile thread ..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SE5fk4vXYU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SE5fk4vXYU)
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Bring it back a notch to these days ... Guessing this should realy be in the what made you smile thread ..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SE5fk4vXYU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SE5fk4vXYU)
Production car racing???
There is a category for that already and it enjoyable to watch too.
Supercars moved on from production car racing a long long time ago.
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Did anyone watch the first part of Brock last night? I'm not sure if it's an accurate depiction, but if it is, he seems a bit of a tosser in the early days
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I don't agree with the 15 sec penalty , but thems are the rules at the time. I was hoping to see Tander win , and yes I agree that he was a bit to blame in the crash.
But what pissed me off the most was having to watch adds for 2 laps every 5 on Foxtel. What happened to no adds on pay TV?
No choice with the ads because of the anti syphoning rules with sport on TV, things like Bathurst, are shown on free TV as well as Pay, so the producers only air 1 version, but Foxtel fill the advert slots with their own ads instead of the commercial TV ones.
At least the red button worked, so when the ads came on, I just switched over to the in-car channel for a lap or so, then went back to the normal coverage, that way avoiding having the PIP/Adverts.
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A big well done to Whincup I reckon, 3 from 3 :cup:
3 years in a row he's had that race sewn up, 3 years in a row his ego has got the better of him and he's thrown the whole teams effort in the bin, just cause he's a tosser. Well done :cup:
Best part of the race I thought was Lowndes in the car playing mechanic. ;D
#1 son called me inside yesterday when his car had issues. I'm a big fan and supporter of Craig, but, he's not a race car mechanic. ;D
WTF was he doing in the car stopping mechanics from getting in there ??? That made my head hurt. Not as much though as when the mechanic did get in there, has team manager (or who ever) sitting in front of a lap top telling him which gear the car is in and to get it into neutral. He struggled, so someone else lends a hand. Between the three of them, they manage to run the transmission through the gear selection in the wrong direction, finally realising then all the way back to neutral ::)
Makes more sense now as to why Craig was in the car ;D
The end of the race was good. I was surprised. I have the attention span of flea, yet managed to watch and enjoy the last 20 odd laps.
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Production car racing???
There is a category for that already and it enjoyable to watch too.
Agree.. its close door banging racing.. if it would get the backing and TV exposure, taxi's would die overnight
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Did anyone watch the first part of Brock last night? I'm not sure if it's an accurate depiction, but if it is, he seems a bit of a tosser in the early days
I met Brock twice both times he seemed like he did to all. But I knew somebody who worked for him and he said there was definetly two sides to the guy. He could turn from ragbag to charmer in the spin of head, especially if a camera was within cooee. No doubt he pocessed a raw talent in a time when the cars responded to that type of driver. In later years 1979 on he pocessed technology courtesy of GMH and harrop that no body else had and that also gave him an advantage. An interesting thing in the BMW years happened at Winton when driving with Richards. Brock insisted that both cars were set up the same way even though Richards had a preference for a different setup. After the race they both recorded simalar times maybe even Richards fractionally faster ? But the tyres on Brock's car were rooted and Jims were still good!
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Personally, I think Jamie Whincup was a minor party to the dramas. He was the original problem maker but Garth Tander being his typical opportunistic self tried to take advantage of the situation by swerving past, and if Craig McLaughlin had of slowed marginally there would not have been an impact with the red Holden.
Redbull had the best car/driver package and probably deserved the win, and Whincup is a top driver. Many don't like him, but it would be a tough critic to say they don't respect his skills.
McLaughlin is a serious future contender for record making, and as forTander....... a handy sort of driver. Pity she got pregnant and left the sport. Now it's her dickhead husband in the press all the time for having the best seat in what should be a front running team, but can't bring home the bacon.
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Did anyone watch the first part of Brock last night? I'm not sure if it's an accurate depiction, but if it is, he seems a bit of a tosser in the early days
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Think Tander had a point to prove to...to just about everyone...as he was still smarting from being dumped from HRT.
Red mist always seems to come down in those last few laps....but what happened was just plain crazy.
Winchup appears to me to be more interested in installing himself as a modern day Brock...and is hellbent on creating his own legend.
Very disappointed in Prodrive.....never looked like having the outright speed to match 888....and still keep having issues.....grrrrrr.
Bring on next year I say....go DJR/Penske !!
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Agree.. its close door banging racing.. if it would get the backing and TV exposure, taxi's would die overnight
Rubbish. both the notion that a bit of TV would make Prod racing compelling to the punters and the idea that it would kill the V8's
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and the idea that it would kill the V8's
dunno.. its doing a good enough job on its own...
competitive close racing with .. *gasp* lots of passing would be entertaining wouldn't it?
is there any track the taxi's race on that there is any passing on? not that I watch much, but the Cold Ghost and most others just seem follow the leader.
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idea that it would kill the V8's
Doesnt have to. Warburton is doing a great job by himself
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And to all those that bagging tander for making the most of it? WTF? He is a racing driver. 2 other cars came together and slowed dramatically. Why wouldn't he keep going to pass around a car that was probably doing 50 or 60km less at that point when he came up behind. Was he supposed to stop also??
And let the other rest of the Feild behind catch up? He darted right to avoid 88 and would not of even seen 33 so close. We are talking .5 sec descisons here.
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He darted right to avoid 88 and would not of even seen 33 so close. We are talking .5 sec decisions here.
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That's partially the point. Split second decisions.
If Tander backed of for a split second it may have all been fine, and I can't see the "whole field" passing in that short time frame.
If Tander actually turned his head he would have seen a blue Volvo entering too fast.
If the Volvo had of backed off marginally there would be no drama.
If Whincup had of not slowed so drastically, no problems.
A lot of if's, and all in split seconds.
But that's what these guys get paid the big bucks for, hours of split second decisions.
Whincup was the only one given a 15 second penalty but partial faults lay on all three drivers, it's just that he was the original instigator but was able to complete the race.
It has been my thought for years that if someone is taken out of the race by the actions of another driver, they should be given points based on a calculation between starting position. position at the time of the accident, what percentage of the race is completed etc.
That way at least a season is not destroyed by a mistake from a competitor.
The other thing I query is penalties for a turning wheel while in the air in the pits.
Is every team monitored for this or is it more based on the better teams that are receiving TV coverage that the marshal's are watching?
While having this whinge, why are the penalties so dramatic that they require drive through's. Why not have a pull off spot on a quiet part of the track where they have to pull to a stop, wait for 5, 10, or 20 seconds, dependent on the seriousness of the crime, and then re-start.
The time to slowly go through pit lane are a game killer for what is often a pretty tame error of judgement.
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That's partially the point. Split second decisions.
If Tander backed of for a split second it may have all been fine,
and I can't see the "whole field" passing in that short time frame. Never did i say the whole feild passing? funny how people see what they want to see
If Tander actually turned his head he would have seen a blue Volvo entering too fast. I think he did see it, but was too late. he turned left again a split sec before contact, but 33 was just coming over too quick
If the Volvo had of backed off marginally there would be no drama. Not sure he had too much choice either. like a skating ring on the grass compared to bitumin.
But yes lots of "Ifs and Buts". They dont change the result though. And car 33 had points removed from his champoinship for the re entry also.
Will be interesting to see the result from the appeal.
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Did anyone watch the first part of Brock last night? I'm not sure if it's an accurate depiction, but if it is, he seems a bit of a tosser in the early days
Just saw this. ( A link below, for those not on FB i copiedand paste the post from james brock below.
https://www.facebook.com/JimmyThrustor?fref=nf&pnref=story (https://www.facebook.com/JimmyThrustor?fref=nf&pnref=story)
1 hr · Melbourne, VIC ·
So, umm. I feel I must say something regarding the T.V. show I watched last night, I originally wasn't going to, but after speaking to a few people who contacted me today I felt the need.
To anyone who matters, was there and knows the facts, you undoubtedly feel as I do, that the show was possibly one of the worst bits of "D grade" trash that we have subject to in recent times. That being said I hope none of you take any of it to heart. It is a crying shame that a story that deserved to be told honestly and respectfully has been treated so poorly. Again for those that know the stories, they also know that there was no need for embellishment or distorting of the facts, they were some wild and crazy times and some of the funniest and wrongest stuff I have ever seen and heard about; which would have made for a killer show.
For those who don't know the reality just take it from the people who were around, this show was so far from the truth that you should take it as was hopefully intended, a bit of light entertainment at best, and at worst just the typical sort of disrespectful crap you see in the media in general these days.
I watched it, I laughed so hard at some points because of the terribleness, is that even a word? It should be. I thought there were some good actors in it, and I won't pan them, despite their individual talents even they were unable to make anything of what was a terrible script and terrible production.
Rant ends, you can now go about your business. ; )
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Haven't watched it yet...will do when I get home. But I did watch the INXS thing a while ago and I thought the story was rubbish and terribly put together.
More of the same perhaps....will soon see.
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And to all those that bagging tander for making the most of it? WTF? He is a racing driver. 2 other cars came together and slowed dramatically. Why wouldn't he keep going to pass around a car that was probably doing 50 or 60km less at that point when he came up behind. Was he supposed to stop also??
And let the other rest of the Feild behind catch up? He darted right to avoid 88 and would not of even seen 33 so close. We are talking .5 sec descisons here.
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Totally agree - You could swap out Tander for any other driver in the field in that senario and I would bet my left nut they would have all attempted to get past whincup as he was slowing. Whincup was obviously attempting to redress without losing position to Tander at the same time. It was just bad timing that GT attempted to go around about the same time as Scotty re-entered.
Gotta be Shit for the guys who made the top steps to be wondering if you keep your trophy or not - would kinda put a dampner on the afterparty
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If Tander backed of for a split second it may have all been fine, and I can't see the "whole field" passing in that short time frame.
If Tander actually turned his head he would have seen a blue Volvo entering too fast.
If the Volvo had of backed off marginally there would be no drama.
If Whincup had of not slowed so drastically, no problems.
A lot of if's, and all in split seconds.
But that's what these guys get paid the big bucks for, hours of split second decisions.
Whincup was the only one given a 15 second penalty but partial faults lay on all three drivers, it's just that he was the original instigator but was able to complete the race.
It's pretty obvious why Whincup copped a penalty. He went into that corner way too hot, lost the rear and took the Volvo out. It's also pretty obvious he knew he'd done the wrong thing, as he clearly backed off afterwards to let the Volvo pass to 'redress' the error.
Tander did nothing wrong. He is allowed to pass a car which slows in front of him, and he doesn't have to give way to another driver who is attempting to get back onto the track after leaving it.
Bottom line, Whincup caused the whole thing by having a brain fart in thinking he could get a passing move done and deserves a penalty.
Car 33 has copped a points penalty for re-entering the track unsafely.
The Red Bull appeal is absurd. They should just take it on the chin and move on.
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It's pretty obvious why Whincup copped a penalty. He went into that corner way too hot, lost the rear and took the Volvo out. It's also pretty obvious he knew he'd done the wrong thing, as he clearly backed off afterwards to let the Volvo pass to 'redress' the error.
Tander did nothing wrong. He is allowed to pass a car which slows in front of him, and he doesn't have to give way to another driver who is attempting to get back onto the track after leaving it.
Bottom line, Whincup caused the whole thing by having a brain fart in thinking he could get a passing move done and deserves a penalty.
Car 33 has copped a points penalty for re-entering the track unsafely.
The Red Bull appeal is absurd. They should just take it on the chin and move on.
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And a kick in the arse for a redress on the racing line and in a point of high acceleration.
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:cup: to the last two posts.
I reckon a whole lot of the carnage could've been avoided if Whincup did his "redressing" somewhere other than the racing line, where it looked like Tander made two attempts to get passed, and had to check his run both times. I'm not sure what the rules are regarding this though.
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You guys have rocks in ya heads. there are no rules about redressing off the racing line. Wincup is expected to slow to the let the other car pass. He's under no obligation to get of the line. Unless he did something against the rules in the second part of that foray then he deserves no penalty regardless whether anyone here thinks he should.
I dont like him much but he was robbed, and probably robbed because Bargwanna doesn't like him
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I dont like him much but he was robbed, and probably robbed because Bargwanna doesn't like him
Oh yeah, I forgot about that
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Having just got home from Bathurst all i can say to those that reckon Supercars is dead or dying perhaps should go and have a look at it first hand. It was just as busy or busier than ever and merchandise alley was doing enormous business
The camping, although still no good for sleeping is getting very family friendly and there are thousands of kids up there now. The coppers will not stand for any nonsense and any body who trys to push it gets to pack up their gear in the company of about 15 coppers, have their ticket taken off them and is marched out of the camping area, if they are caught in there again they get a bed free of charge for the night.
As for 888 appealing the penalty, why wouldnt they, this is big expensive business
I didnt get to watch the Brocky show but I have worked for him years ago and know there was two sides to the guy, as there is with most people. Having said that he is one of my heros and apart from being a very special driver was always the last to leave autograph sessions and always had the upmost respect for his fans especially the kid
And no Bird i didnt even watch the whole race, first 10 laps from the start line, second 10 and last 50 at hell corner rest of the time watched a bit on telly drinking $3 cans of Jimmy rather than trying to drink $8 cans of rat poison they call Woodstock mid strength. Does anybody in this world drink that midstrength Coopers? Surely supercars can find a better alcohol sponsor, should be their number one priority
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You guys have rocks in ya heads. there are no rules about redressing off the racing line. Wincup is expected to slow to the let the other car pass. He's under no obligation to get of the line. Unless he did something against the rules in the second part of that foray then he deserves no penalty regardless whether anyone here thinks he should.
I dont like him much but he was robbed, and probably robbed because Bargwanna doesn't like him
I'm pretty sure the penalty he got was for punting the 33 car off the track.
His attempt to redress wasn't successful, so he got a penalty for the original infringement.
He wasn't robbed. He clearly caused the whole thing and should take his medicine.
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I'm pretty sure the penalty he got was for punting the 33 car off the track.
His attempt to redress wasn't successful, so he got a penalty for the original infringement.
He wasn't robbed. He clearly caused the whole thing and should take his medicine.
Actually he didn't. (Edit). Yes it was for the hit. J read a report themst said it wasn't. But the results from boss man have come out and his hit on 33 was what coped him the 15 sec. and because of below. Lol
He just got it cause he's a moron. Should give him one every race when he turns up, Oh yeah and bargs don't like him. Hey I'd give him one too
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Actually he didn't.
He just got it cause he's a moron. Should give him one every race when he turns up, Oh yeah and bargs don't like him. Hey I'd give him one too
You dont need to give him a penalty, lately he been doing a pretty good job of giving them to himself. Shame Gizzy run out of rubber at the end but the Teckno boys are worthy winners
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Lets not forget Donald Trump in all of this either.
He's to blame for a lot of things and I fail to see why he shouldn't shoulder some blame here.
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Maybe his hair got in Whincups way
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Nah man. That was years ago. He's changed and is a better person now. He told me so.
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I hope Roland Dane is prepared for a potentially ugly fallout from this appeal.
The current winning team has massively close ties with 888 racing. Cars, setup data, technical staff, garages and pit booms.
The winning codriver owns the team too.
The 3rd place car of Percat is built by 888 too. 888 also supply parts, plus some technical support.
Based on Sundays results Van Giz leads the championship by 139 points over Whincup.
If the appeal is successful. Whincup leads the championship by 30 odd points over Van Giz.
What if Whincup wins the championship by less than 139 points.
Can't imagine Van Giz being overly rapt with his boss...
The boss also potentially loses 2 customers (contract issues too) and has to endure a very frosty 19 & 888 garage on race weekends for the rest of the year.
Not to mention fan backlash. 888 and Whincup will wear the black hat for sure after this.
While a drive thru penalty might have been to harsh for Whincup's dive. At least the post race celebrations of the biggest race of the year wouldn't be tarnished.
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I hope Roland Dane is prepared for a potentially ugly fallout from this appeal.
The current winning team has massively close ties with 888 racing. Cars, setup data, technical staff, garages and pit booms.
The winning codriver owns the team too.
The 3rd place car of Percat is built by 888 too. 888 also supply parts, plus some technical support.
Based on Sundays results Van Giz leads the championship by 139 points over Whincup.
If the appeal is successful. Whincup leads the championship by 30 odd points over Van Giz.
What if Whincup wins the championship by less than 139 points.
Can't imagine Van Giz being overly rapt with his boss...
The boss also potentially loses 2 customers (contract issues too) and has to endure a very frosty 19 & 888 garage on race weekends for the rest of the year.
Not to mention fan backlash. 888 and Whincup will wear the black hat for sure after this.
While a drive thru penalty might have been to harsh for Whincup's dive. At least the post race celebrations of the biggest race of the year wouldn't be tarnished.
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Can't see it being that big of an issue....I reckon if any other team in the race had the same thing happen to them, they'd appeal the result also. Like every other major sport these days, it's a big money business.
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Can't see it being that big of an issue....I reckon if any other team in the race had the same thing happen to them, they'd appeal the result also. Like every other major sport these days, it's a big money business.
Difference with big business and things like motorsport is emotion. Rolands decision to appeal would have a fair degree of emotion attached to it.
Watching Jono Webb in the pits in the closing laps. I don't think he'll treat it like a business decision if he gets relegated to 2nd.
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Difference with big business and things like motorsport is emotion. Rolands decision to appeal would have a fair degree of emotion attached to it.
Watching Jono Webb in the pits in the closing laps. I don't think he'll treat it like a business decision if he gets relegated to 2nd.
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obviously they'll be peeved if it happens, but once the media dies down so would everyone else over time. Some might hold a grudge, but at the end of the day there'll be the next business decisions to make and the next race to win, life will go on.
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I dont think Roland would give a flying rats about any of that. I dont think Tekno were too happy when he took their driver last year. I think he just leaves those details for other members of his staff to work out
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I'm pretty sure the penalty he got was for punting the 33 car off the track.
His attempt to redress wasn't successful, so he got a penalty for the original infringement.
He wasn't robbed. He clearly caused the whole thing and should take his medicine.
Of course he was robbed Merts. The rules are clear. Penalty for what he did is redress, not 15 seconds. Redress returns the status quo between the vehicles involved without general penalty. Thats how it is. The fact that he was unable to serve his penalty through no fault of his own does not mean the local penalty needs to be extended to a general one.
If Mclaughlin was unable to return to the track then it would necessarily need to be extended but that was not the case. Mclaughlin did return to the track unharmed from the incident and in control. Irrespective of the reason he left the track, it is his responsibility to rejoin safely. He didnt. Why should Wincup get penalised out of the race effectively for something Mclaughlin did?
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It looked to me that Wincup was well aware that McLaughlin was on his way back onto the track cause he was already redressing the incident, Tander was the knob who was oblivious to the situation.
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It looked to me that Wincup was well aware that McLaughlin was on his way back onto the track cause he was already redressing the incident, Tander was the knob who was oblivious to the situation.
You need to look at it again. Tander did nothing wrong......Scotty came across too much and tagged him, that's why he got penalised.
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Of course he was robbed Merts. The rules are clear. Penalty for what he did is redress, not 15 seconds. Redress returns the status quo between the vehicles involved without general penalty. Thats how it is. The fact that he was unable to serve his penalty through no fault of his own does not mean the local penalty needs to be extended to a general one.
If Mclaughlin was unable to return to the track then it would necessarily need to be extended but that was not the case. Mclaughlin did return to the track unharmed from the incident and in control. Irrespective of the reason he left the track, it is his responsibility to rejoin safely. He didnt. Why should Wincup get penalised out of the race effectively for something Mclaughlin did?
I appreciate your argument and agree you have a point.
The other side of the argument however is that had Whincup not taken the 33 car out in the first place, the second incidence would never have occurred.
I don't think race control could allow Whincup to effectively get away with no penalty for doing what he did, which seems to be what you are suggesting. Anyway, what you, I, or anyone else thinks won't matter in the end. They will hear the appeal and make a determination and that will be that.
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It looked to me that Wincup was well aware that McLaughlin was on his way back onto the track cause he was already redressing the incident, Tander was the knob who was oblivious to the situation.
Yeah....no.
Once McLaughlin was off the track, it is 100% his responsibility to re-enter safely. Tander was within his rights to position his car as he wished in relation to Whincup. He wouldn't have even been able to see McLaughlin coming.
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I appreciate your argument and agree you have a point.
The other side of the argument however is that had Whincup not taken the 33 car out in the first place, the second incidence would never have occurred.
I don't think race control could allow Whincup to effectively get away with no penalty for doing what he did, which seems to be what you are suggesting. Anyway, what you, I, or anyone else thinks won't matter in the end. They will hear the appeal and make a determination and that will be that.
Racing is full of moments that would not have happened if a prior moment had not. You cant say that because Wincup caused the first indecent that he is responsible for the second unless it resulted directly (as in Scotty had spat back across the track still out of control). It didn't result directly and could have easily been avoided by both McLaughlin and Tander. The fact that is wasn't avoided meant the Wincup was robbed of the chance to redress. Because he was robbed of that chance he was robbed of the race.
If you are right and race control did this because "he cant get away with that" they made a very big call in escalating a penalty designed not to stifle racing (little stuff up = little local penalty that is, ideally, only between you and the dude you wronged) into a penalty that destroyed the efforts of a whole team at the biggest event of the year. The crime didn't change, just the penalty relative to the race went from 2 weeks community service to the electric chair. Is that really a fair outcome for what was nothing more than a racing misdemeanor that you see countless times at every race meet at every level?
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Also Interesting call by race control that Kelly's debris represented more of a danger and needed the pace car than the car in the kitty litter at the fast part of the track in the closing stages ;D
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Also Interesting call by race control that Kelly's debris represented more of a danger and needed the pace car than the car in the kitty litter at the fast part of the track in the closing stages ;D
There is a provision in the rules for double yellows over a limited area as long as there needs to be no one on the track. They used that at the end because there was only 2 laps to go. That off saved Davidson. Without it the Gizz would have rounded him up.
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http://www.supercars.com/news/championship/stewards-summary-supercheap-auto-bathurst-1000-2/ (http://www.supercars.com/news/championship/stewards-summary-supercheap-auto-bathurst-1000-2/)
He is a bigger tosser than I first thought. ;D
'I'm better than all. I don't need to wear my race suit for pre race events.' ::)
I'm allowed to drive under safety car with my door open, 'cause I'm a super star.
The bloke's a tosser. He can steer a car, but as a professional he's got a lot to learn.
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Everyone's an a$$hole.........................
..........................Jimmy said so!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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You need to look at it again. Tander did nothing wrong......Scotty came across too much and tagged him, that's why he got penalised.
He ran up the arse of Whincup twice trying to get through.
If he couldn't see the car in front, he had no hope of seeing the Volvo. ;D
But, in all fairness, I reckon Tander is a knob. (I don't think he likes me much though either)
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Yeah....no.
Once McLaughlin was off the track, it is 100% his responsibility to re-enter safely. Tander was within his rights to position his car as he wished in relation to Whincup. He wouldn't have even been able to see McLaughlin coming.
McLaughlin actually enters marginally in front of both of them, literally his whole car in front of Tander, his head would have to be on backwards to not see him. Wincups crime and punishment were done with, the other two had their own altercation.
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McLaughlin actually enters marginally in front of both of them, literally his whole car in front of Tander, his head would have to be on backwards to not see him. Wincups crime and punishment were done with, the other two had their own altercation.
This has been a great thread to read. Multiple opinions, and often one as justifiable as the next.
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McLaughlin's comments on his Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/smclaughlin93/posts/1296006117085093) is interesting:
" Lap 150 of 161, I made a small mistake at Forest’s Elbow, Jamie was right on me coming down Conrod, I had to block, I did in to the Chase, Jamie dived which he is 100% entitled to do, but I was going to attempt to hold my line around the outside. Jamie locked his rears and spared into me pushing me off at the chase.
This is where it got pretty hectic, I came back on the track expecting to rejoin behind the pair of them, little did I knew Jamie was trying to readdress the situation but trying to hold Garth behind him. I came back on the track gathered it up and as Garth went right to go around Jamie unfortunately we interlocked wheels and we were done both catapulting towards the fence. Both our days were done, Jamie carried on.
I don’t blame Jamie for having a go, he believes the move was on, I believe it wasn’t as he wasn’t under control of the car at the point of impact. I’ve had some awesome battles with Jamie and have a lot of respect for him and this incident doesn’t change my opinion."
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Well said for a young driver, will be interesting how the appeal goes. the appeal only relates to the time penalty, not the incident, as the time penalty was not what was said in the driver's briefing or the rules book. That's all.
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Well said for a young driver, will be interesting how the appeal goes. the appeal only relates to the time penalty, not the incident, as the time penalty was not what was said in the driver's briefing or the rules book. That's all.
Yep, no ones denying he deserved a penalty, but why they are appealing is because the penalty appears to be different to what's in the rule book..
Funny how a lot of people don't like Whincup. Reminds me of the same treatment Skaife got when he was driving.
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Yep just have to look at it for what it is.
People keep blaming Whincup for a lot of things but at the end of the day and at that point in the race there were three drivers and about all they would have been seeing was the checkered flag being waved for them. Bit like the mist settling and race harder. The other side of would be if Whincup made the pass the commentators would have near on orgasamed on tv.
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Funny how a lot of people don't like Whincup. Reminds me of the same treatment Skaife got when he was driving.
Tall poppy syndrome.
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The other side of would be if Whincup made the pass the commentators would have near on orgasamed on tv.
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Tall poppy syndrome.
Nah, Whingecup is a knob. Look at Lowndes when he was #1, everybody loved him, no tall poppy syndrome there.
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Nah, Whingecup is a knob. Look at Lowndes when he was #1, everybody loved him, no tall poppy syndrome there.
Knob or not, he was robbed >:(
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McLaughlin actually enters marginally in front of both of them, literally his whole car in front of Tander, his head would have to be on backwards to not see him. Wincups crime and punishment were done with, the other two had their own altercation.
I didn't say he wouldn't have been able to see him once he re entered the track. I said he wouldn't have seen him coming. At the time he would have been concentrating on the rear of Whincup's car, which he was wearing as a bonnet emblem because Whincup had been on the brakes.
Tander was only about half a car width (and holding that line) from the left edge of the track when McLaughlin moved sideways into him. How anyone can conclude that Tander was in any way at fault beggars belief.
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Tander was an innocent party.. Scotty drove into him, and admitted it.
If 888 win the appeal, Whincup wins Bathurst. If the penalty somehow gets downgraded from 15 to 10 seconds, he finishes somewhere in the top ten..
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I think the appeal is over the severity of the penalty and if won they will admin the 10 second one. CAMS will have to decide if the 15s was the equivalent of a pit-lane penalty as Whincup did not redress the issue due to the Volvo crashing.
The redress rule had 2 options, redress or 10 second stop go like Kelly copped when his radio was broken for taking out Pither. If they had the Kahunas to enforce the drive thru this would have been all over. Red Bull would not have had the appeal option.
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The appeal is over a supposed wrong penalty. The penalty for not redressing for that offence is supposed to be a 10 POINT penalty, not a 10 or 15 SECOND penalty.
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http://www.speedcafe.com/2016/10/12/davison-assured-bathurst-1000-victory-safe/
Sounds like Rolands blood has cooled a little. As Gronk said, have it reduced to 10 seconds to gain a few spots and points.
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http://www.speedcafe.com/2016/10/12/davison-assured-bathurst-1000-victory-safe/ (http://www.speedcafe.com/2016/10/12/davison-assured-bathurst-1000-victory-safe/)
Sounds like Rolands blood has cooled a little. As Gronk said, have it reduced to 10 seconds to gain a few spots and points.
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That is what Roland was saying at the start. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Regardless of all the opinions if Jamie had'nt of knocked Scotty off the track in the first place, then this incident would'nt have happened and we would'nt be having
this debate. :cheers:
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Regardless of all the opinions if Jamie had'nt of knocked Scotty off the track in the first place, then this incident would'nt have happened and we would'nt be having
this debate. :cheers:
Which means what?
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http://www.supercars.com/news/championship/skaife-ingall-pair-up-for-bathurst-12-hour/ (http://www.supercars.com/news/championship/skaife-ingall-pair-up-for-bathurst-12-hour/)
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Which means what?
Which means exactly what i said. What part don't you understand??
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motor racing without taking risks to pass the car in front, yeah we will watch that
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Enough, lets talk about Newcastle in 2017
http://www.kofm.com.au/thisisnewcastle/local-news/2016/6/watch-newcastle-v8-supercars-track-flyover/ (http://www.kofm.com.au/thisisnewcastle/local-news/2016/6/watch-newcastle-v8-supercars-track-flyover/)
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motor racing without taking risks to pass the car in front, yeah we will watch that
isn't that what it is now?? 20 cars just playing follow the leader? **** all passing?
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Which means exactly what i said. What part don't you understand??
What a captain obvious statement like that adds to the discussion. :D
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What a captain obvious statement like that adds to the discussion. :D
It's just a comment like all others. If you don't like it then don't read it.
I could react the same way to many of your trivial posts but that's not
what this forum is about. We are all entitled to our opinions and comments
without obnoxious replies. :cheers:
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It's just a comment like all others. If you don't like it then don't read it.
I could react the same way to many of your trivial posts but that's not
what this forum is about. We are all entitled to our opinions and comments
without obnoxious replies. :cheers:
But how do i know what it says if i dont read it? Btw don't read this. :-*
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Enough, lets talk about Newcastle in 2017
http://www.kofm.com.au/thisisnewcastle/local-news/2016/6/watch-newcastle-v8-supercars-track-flyover/ (http://www.kofm.com.au/thisisnewcastle/local-news/2016/6/watch-newcastle-v8-supercars-track-flyover/)
Looks good, can't wait. Already got my tickets!!!
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isn't that what it is now?? 20 cars just playing follow the leader? **** all passing?
I'm a racer and competitor (not motor racing) and am a firm believer in giving no quarters. ;) Even though I'm getting back into competitive racing (after 34yrs out) I still race hard and fair = give no quarter and expect none. These blokes and sheilas' are so called professionals and should know their limits! ???
What I'm seeing from Whincup, is someone that is going overboard, when it comes to Bathurst. Three out of the last 4yrs, he has forked up and that is not someone working at their best. ;)
Foo
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http://www.foxsports.com.au/motorsport/v8-supercars/bathurst-1000-appeal-result-red-bulls-jamie-whincup-appeal-shot-down-in-bungle-will-davison-wins/news-story/78131970c5cc4dfaa2092b1cf443cf55?utm_source=Social&utm_medium=Facebook&utm_campaign=FoxSportsAus (http://www.foxsports.com.au/motorsport/v8-supercars/bathurst-1000-appeal-result-red-bulls-jamie-whincup-appeal-shot-down-in-bungle-will-davison-wins/news-story/78131970c5cc4dfaa2092b1cf443cf55?utm_source=Social&utm_medium=Facebook&utm_campaign=FoxSportsAus)
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:cup:
Foo
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http://www.foxsports.com.au/motorsport/v8-supercars/bathurst-1000-appeal-result-red-bulls-jamie-whincup-appeal-shot-down-in-bungle-will-davison-wins/news-story/78131970c5cc4dfaa2092b1cf443cf55?utm_source=Social&utm_medium=Facebook&utm_campaign=FoxSportsAus (http://www.foxsports.com.au/motorsport/v8-supercars/bathurst-1000-appeal-result-red-bulls-jamie-whincup-appeal-shot-down-in-bungle-will-davison-wins/news-story/78131970c5cc4dfaa2092b1cf443cf55?utm_source=Social&utm_medium=Facebook&utm_campaign=FoxSportsAus)
Cant say how, where, who or why but a little birdie told me that we havent heard the last of this yet, I wonder if the little birdie is correct??..........................
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[What I'm seeing from Whincup, is someone that is going overboard, when it comes to Bathurst. Three out of the last 4yrs, he has forked up and that is not someone working at their best. ;)
Foo
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I think triple 8....and red bull....are in damage control.
In my opinion..whincup for the last three years at Bathurst...has shown what he's really after....an attempt to create his own Bathurst legend and surpass the legend of Brock....nothing more.
But he needs to realise that for him...this is impossible.
Just my opinion.
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In my opinion..whincup for the last three years at Bathurst...has shown what he's really after....an attempt to create his own Bathurst legend and surpass the legend of Brock....nothing more.
He is making his own legend, stealing defeat from the jaws of victory 3 times in a row...
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He is making his own legend, stealing defeat from the jaws of victory 3 times in a row...
He is 'King of the Mountain'
King 'Fuk-itd'up'
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wonder if the little birdie is correct??..........................
Birds always right
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...... I wonder if the little birdie is correct??..........................
Birds always right
....but never little.... :P
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Birds always right
Except for when he says the Tiges would be 9th again....we were 13th ;D
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http://www.supercars.com/news/championship/skaife-ingall-pair-up-for-bathurst-12-hour/ (http://www.supercars.com/news/championship/skaife-ingall-pair-up-for-bathurst-12-hour/)
Didn't see that coming.
After reading through these pages of emotional dribble about poor old Wingecup.
I had to go and watch some of the Enforcer's highlights this afternoon.
I had forgotten what real racing looked like.
Can honestly say my interest in V8s faded about the time of his retirement. That and when the Gold Coast and Sydney Olympic Park races turned the sport into the pointless game follow the leader lap after lap.
Long gone are the days of "rubbing is racing", back when Rusty was playing pinball with anyone who came close to him in the belting rain at Oran Park.
These days you have to wake me for the highlights after it's done and dusted. Nothing remotely exciting any more.
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Didn't see that coming.
After reading through these pages of emotional dribble about poor old Wingecup.
I had to go and watch some of the Enforcer's highlights this afternoon.
I had forgotten what real racing looked like.
Can honestly say my interest in V8s faded about the time of his retirement. That and when the Gold Coast and Sydney Olympic Park races turned the sport into the pointless game follow the leader lap after lap.
Long gone are the days of "rubbing is racing", back when Rusty was playing pinball with anyone who came close to him in the belting rain at Oran Park.
These days you have to wake me for the highlights after it's done and dusted. Nothing remotely exciting any more.
Couldn't agree more.
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I preferred the old days, when they couldn't afford to push their way through.
Passing was done with skill, as any damage to the car meant their day was over.
All the big names would race cleanly, door handle to door handle, all day.
Rubbing is not racing.....just my opinion.....
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Some the young guns in it now are pretty good drivers. Guys like Scotty, Chaz and the Giz are good clean, hard but fair drivers. When they get together you can see some good close exciting racing, unfortunately you always seem to get one of the knobs coming in and pushing his way thru, a particular Volvo driver with a famous last name comes to mind
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I preferred the old days, when they couldn't afford to push their way through.
Passing was done with skill, as any damage to the car meant their day was over.
All the big names would race cleanly, door handle to door handle, all day.
Rubbing is not racing.....just my opinion.....
Yep agree totally all them years Brock, moffat , Johnson , grice etc barely a mirror touched. Ingall just mirrored what the euro tourer gang were doing and with a bit of media hype around the title "enforcer" to sell the format and way we go with a new acceptance in driving. The Kelly's, tanders and co step it up more to the current level with the brain fart whincup.
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Yep agree totally all them years Brock, moffat , Johnson , grice etc barely a mirror touched. Ingall just mirrored what the euro tourer gang were doing and with a bit of media hype around the title "enforcer" to sell the format and way we go with a new acceptance in driving. The Kelly's, tanders and co step it up more to the current level with the brain fart whincup.
They all need to get back into Formula Fords for a stint, or any open wheeler.
Rubbing is not racing.....just my opinion.....
Sounds like you need a fix of sprint car racing Geoff. A night at the speedway for you :D
Sprint cars, wingless' and some solo's. Tight, clean racing with no rubbing, or there's busted bodies and bent wings ;D
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Sounds like you need a fix of sprint car racing Geoff. A night at the speedway for you :D.....
Always enjoyable.... :cup: :cup:
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Just re-watched the incident.
Scotty definitely didn't slow. Fair call
Whincup jumped on the brakes
Tander was getting held up massively by Whincup instantly redressing on the racing line
Some bits and pieces that are a bit of a mess...
In terms of racing, Tim Harvey and John Cleland were classic door to door bashers, and were completely at each other throats for nearly every race during the BTCC super touring days
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Some the young guns in it now are pretty good drivers. Guys like Scotty, Chaz and the Giz are good clean, hard but fair drivers.
Not sure I'd use Giz and the words good clean in the same sentance. Quite a few of his dive bombs under brakes turn messy - although that is improving.
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Not sure I'd use Giz and the words good clean in the same sentance. Quite a few of his dive bombs under brakes turn messy - although that is improving.
He's become Shane Van Pushbergen at Red Bull.....
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He's become Shane Van Pushbergen at Red Bull.....
He has always been a pusher,hitter of cars in front, with Stone Bros in the ford he was constantly praised by Jim and Ross Stone for hitting cars in the rear.
I remember one race where Jim or Ross were instructing Shane over the radio to " hit him again, hit him again " when he was in behind Craig Lowndes .
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He has always been a pusher,hitter of cars in front, with Stone Bros in the ford he was constantly praised by Jim and Ross Stone for hitting cars in the rear.
I remember one race where Jim or Ross were instructing Shane over the radio to " hit him again, hit him again " when he was in behind Craig Lowndes .
The only car he's never ever hit is the safety car, but the year isn't over yet.
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The only car he's never ever hit is the safety car, but the year isn't over yet.
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How true
CHEERS GRC. :cheers:
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He has always been a pusher,hitter of cars in front, with Stone Bros in the ford he was constantly praised by Jim and Ross Stone for hitting cars in the rear.
I remember one race where Jim or Ross were instructing Shane over the radio to " hit him again, hit him again " when he was in behind Craig Lowndes .
isn't that what they do in that boring Shit nascar racing in USA to get a better draft?
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The only car he's never ever hit is the safety car, but the year isn't over yet.
Close he hit the medical car at the Homebush round in 2012
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Supercars Court of Appeal dismissed the Bathurst appeal
http://www.v8superfans.co.nz/supercars-court-of-appeal-dismissed-the-bathurst-appeal/ (http://www.v8superfans.co.nz/supercars-court-of-appeal-dismissed-the-bathurst-appeal/)
Betchya that won't be the end of it, if it is, well ;D
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Supercars Court of Appeal dismissed the Bathurst appeal
http://www.v8superfans.co.nz/supercars-court-of-appeal-dismissed-the-bathurst-appeal/ (http://www.v8superfans.co.nz/supercars-court-of-appeal-dismissed-the-bathurst-appeal/)
Betchya that won't be the end of it, if it is, well ;D
little birdie tells me its all over....rbr are over it and moving on.
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little birdie tells me its all over....rbr are over it and moving on.
Hope so...damage control me thinks...they have flicked mud all over themselves....sponsors don't like their brand being tarnished :cheers:
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Aside from the Bathurst Whingecup fiasco, Have a go at this story on a Dunlop series up and coming .. Expensive day for the 17 old ..Ouch
http://www.v8superfans.co.nz/rookie-jack-smith-could-face-100k-repair-bill/ (http://www.v8superfans.co.nz/rookie-jack-smith-could-face-100k-repair-bill/) :'(
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Aside from the Bathurst Whingecup fiasco, Have a go at this story on a Dunlop series up and coming .. Expensive day for the 17 old ..Ouch
http://www.v8superfans.co.nz/rookie-jack-smith-could-face-100k-repair-bill/ (http://www.v8superfans.co.nz/rookie-jack-smith-could-face-100k-repair-bill/) :'(
Non issue.. petty cash.
"Jack Smith’s father Peter owns the transport company SCT Logistic which The Courier Mail estimates to be worth around $166 million dollars, who were one of the sponsors on the car."
Having said that I didn't know this sorta thing existed '**** it you fix it' racing at that level...
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Non issue.. petty cash.
"Jack Smith’s father Peter owns the transport company SCT Logistic which The Courier Mail estimates to be worth around $166 million dollars, who were one of the sponsors on the car."
Having said that I didn't know this sorta thing existed '**** it you fix it' racing at that level...
That's the rule with any leased race car.
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little birdie tells me its all over....rbr are over it and moving on.
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Hope so...damage control me thinks...they have flicked mud all over themselves....sponsors don't like their brand being tarnished :cheers:
Agree. I'll bet Red Bull would be having a fair say in this too.
That's the rule with any leased race car.
Yep. What's the old saying. You bend you spend.
Generally the deal with pay drivers is set fee per round to cover crew, consumables, general wear & tear, etc. Plus any costs accociated with crashes, no matter who's fault it is on the track.
No doubt it gets murky if the crash is a result of component failure...
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Heard on the wireless this morning that RBR are going to an international court now. I understand there is bulk money in this level of racing with sponsership and stuff but frig me swingin' it's taking it to the state where you may as well not have a race at all. Just build a car and see who can afford the best lawyer to Shite on the rest of the contestants. He with the mostest wins. I'm starting to lose interest in v8 supercars. Rapidly. I have a few vids of the oldie bathurst races I run while I'm mucking in the cave and the more I watch of them the less I like todays efforts. OK there were a few bad calls made back then, but they just sucked it up and moved on. It was exciting edge of the seat racing. Not the parade of same same cars today with the biggest budget winning.
Yeah...I know...I'm a philistine, but sometimes the old ways are the best ways.
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A race is won or lost on the race track, not a court room.
RBR needs a good bitch slapping.
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A race is won or lost on the race track, not a court room.
RBR needs a good bitch slapping.
but didn't Jamie cross the line in first place then ? ;) ;D
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Oh, y big turd..... ;D
Any appeal should be dealt with by the stewards on the day within a few minutes, the decision is then final.
The camera coverage would allow that.
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A race is won or lost on the race track, not a court room.
Agree... infact, no "SPORT" should be able to go to court to get a decision. That's why they have Sporting Associations and bodies to control the whole gig.
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That's the rule with any leased race car.
It is, and most repair bills are never paid.
A mate leased his VC race car to Phil Brock for the tribute race after Peter died. Long story short, Phil put it into the wall, blew the diff, and put a different gearbox in it because he "didn't like the ratios", and it was never put back to being good, not repaired. $15k+ of work later, and it was back where it was before being leased...
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http://www.speedcafe.com/2016/10/19/whincup-supercars-played-dirty-bathurst-appeal/ (http://www.speedcafe.com/2016/10/19/whincup-supercars-played-dirty-bathurst-appeal/)
Typical Red Bull$hit wankers - win at all costs - now its a conspiracy against Whingecup.
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Me thinks there is too much money to-day in ALL sports.....Drug cheats in phyiscal sports and technical and eletronic crap in motor sport.......Thats why i go fishing and crabbing......Just my 2 bob's worth.
Cheers Tracker.
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Maybe Kleenex Tissues could be a new sponsor for Whingecup... ;D
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnsfBkWO490 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnsfBkWO490)
>:D
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnsfBkWO490 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnsfBkWO490)
>:D
Surprised they managed to fit everything into a 3:20 minute clip >:D ;D
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http://www.speedcafe.com/2016/10/19/whincup-supercars-played-dirty-bathurst-appeal/ (http://www.speedcafe.com/2016/10/19/whincup-supercars-played-dirty-bathurst-appeal/)
Typical Red Bull$hit wankers - win at all costs - now its a conspiracy against Whingecup.
Not sure if you read the article you posted, but I thought it was a pretty fair assumption of what went on, and if the appeal failed because they shouldn't have been able to appeal in the first place, then supercars need a good kick up the ar*e..
I don't believe in bagging any sportsperson who is the best at their chosen sport either !!
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Not sure if you read the article you posted, but I thought it was a pretty fair assumption of what went on, and if the appeal failed because they shouldn't have been able to appeal in the first place, then supercars need a good kick up the ar*e..
I don't believe in bagging any sportsperson who is the best at their chosen sport either !!
the more that comes out about the application of the rules still needs refining all round. From what everyone was saying after the incident was that there was a right to appeal, nothing said that they couldn't.
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This should be a winner...
I'm payin to go see Colorados race ROTFLMAO!
"The most popular utes in Australia are set to go head-to-head on track as part of a new series managed by the team behind V8 Supercars.
Ford Falcon and Holden Commodore V8 Utes that have supported the category for years will be phased out in 2017 in favour of dual-cab, turbo diesel SuperUtes that are much more relevant to the new car market.
Supercars Australia hopes that a range of utes such as the Toyota HiLux, Volkswagen Amarok, Ford Ranger, Nissan Navara and Holden Colorado will join the grid.
Tentative technical regulations for the series say that the utes must use their original turbo diesel engine, with power set to be capped at an unspecified level. Driving only the rear wheels, the models must weigh no less than 1800 kilograms and not feature downforce-generating aerodynamic spoilers.
Read more: http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/dual-cab-utes-to-join-v8-supercar-circus-20161020-gs7gbe.html#ixzz4NxopNkkx (http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/dual-cab-utes-to-join-v8-supercar-circus-20161020-gs7gbe.html#ixzz4NxopNkkx)
The most popular utes in Australia are set to go head-to-head on track as part of a new series managed by the team behind V8 Supercars.
Ford Falcon and Holden Commodore V8 Utes that have supported the category for years will be phased out in 2017 in favour of dual-cab, turbo diesel SuperUtes that are much more relevant to the new car market.
Supercars Australia hopes that a range of utes such as the Toyota HiLux, Volkswagen Amarok, Ford Ranger, Nissan Navara and Holden Colorado will join the grid.
Read more: http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/dual-cab-utes-to-join-v8-supercar-circus-20161020-gs7gbe.html#ixzz4NxopNkkx (http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/dual-cab-utes-to-join-v8-supercar-circus-20161020-gs7gbe.html#ixzz4NxopNkkx)
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This should be a winner...
I'm payin to go see Colorados race ROTFLMAO!
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How about Musso's?
http://onlymotors.com/nz-ssangyong-actyon-pick-up-racing-is-awesome/ (http://onlymotors.com/nz-ssangyong-actyon-pick-up-racing-is-awesome/)
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Mahindra :cup:
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chopped 200
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Don't forget the Tata! ;D
Foo
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multiple brands of dual cab utes being driven by lunatics all jockeying for the best position..............................
You can watch that live, every Saturday morning in the Bunnings car park ;D
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multiple brands of dual cab utes being driven by lunatics all jockeying for the best position..............................
You can watch that live, every Saturday morning in the Bunnings car park ;D
:cup: :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup:
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wonder if you can rent it out on race weekends..
https://youtu.be/QBefOqHi3Ak (https://youtu.be/QBefOqHi3Ak)
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