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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: briann532 on October 03, 2011, 08:46:11 PM
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Most of us have ranted over national sparks for various things over the years and on the whole I consider most rangers and employees of the organisation pretty fair, hard working and just trying to do their job.
the hierachy however, well thats been debated and ranted at length.............. >:D
The time has come now to concede. They are right.. ???
To set the scene - I went along to Newnes in the Wolgan Valley for the weekend. Just me, another family and 75,000 other campers doing the obligatory long weekend thing.........
Yes I know I shouldn't go on a long weekend etc etc, but the jayco was getting itchy wheels, and I needed some fresh air.
Off we trundled over the mountains and set up camp across the river on the ruins side.
National parks have kept this historic area open and lo and behold you can even drive really close to the ruins and don't have to back pack bare foot through weeds for 4 days to see it.
A clean toilet with good quality paper was provided and signs and information was abundant.
Good large campgrounds with designated fire pits etc.
Wow. close to Sydney, good facilities, well maintained, abundant historic and cultural value in one of the prettiest valleys in the world. And national parks let us use it, look at it and enjoy it.
Of course this leads to Numpty number 1:
Just because its raining, muddy and you have a big engine, does it means you have to do a burnout everywhere you go???? >:(
I realise it must justify your inadequate apendage to be able to do a burnout in mud with a V8 ( go you hero!!!) but did Darwin just miss you or something? You're a tool. Get a life.
Then of course we met numpty number 2:
Yes I realise you spent $2200 on your free flowing mandrel bent 3" exhaust, and it may be fully sick in a maccas car park, but you're in a national park where people have gone for relaxation and peace. Where in any magazine, camp book or DVD does it suggest that revving your crappy little diesel 3.0l to 3500rpm is in any way enjoyable by the surrounding people?
Even once or twice to impress and show off, only serves to show your a w@nk3r, but consistenly and every time you drove the 45 metres to the toilet was it necessary to use half the gulf oil reserves to tell everyone you've got a big one??? You knob.
Numpty number 3:
Well they came in the form of the village idiots who liked to dress in camo and drag half a tree through the bush past the numerous signs indicating to stick to the tracks. I guess it was only flora you were destroying and you've probably got plenty of that back in the swamp!!!! Them there city folk with only one head and five fingers, just don't understand how it is in the swamp........
In your defence, I suppose you needed a raging bushfire you keep both your brain cells warm.
Numpty number 4:
Oh I didn't realise you were supposed to drive across the creek - not up it.....
If national parks didn't want you driving along the creek bed, they should have signposted every metre along the creek.
Thankfully you probably don't have job so it's not your tax money that would be used to erect said signs.... Numbskull.
Numpty number 5:
Just because the sign says no collecting firewood or chainsaws in NP's doesn't actually mean it.
What it means, is that other people can't do that, but I'm allowed. Cos I'm special!!! >:(
No you're just an id1ot. You keep going brother, rules are only for other people. Perhaps someday someone will ignore the no shooting sign and use your dumb @5s as a target.
Then of course my favourite - the numpty family:
After the kids had buried the entry to the wombat hole my kids asked them not to as it was a wombats home. Of course that was met the displeasurable remarks one could expect from the offspring of parents who also happen to be brother and sister!
I then stepped in and asked the kids not to do that as it was both destructive and harmful to the wombat. I probably should have explained it to my left boot as I believe it has a higher IQ.
We dug open the entrance again and went to explore the ruins that National Parks have let us view and enjoy. What an experience. A great walk, and a great day.
We returned back to camp to see the hillbilly clan closing up the same damn wombat hole as before. Mum and dad watching while they did it.
Thankfully for all, my wife was there to stop me putting a set of BFG's across their fat little backsides and burying them......Oh how I wanted to though >:D
In my weak as VB defence I did take photos of them doing it and their rego which I will duly forward to national parks.
Now after meeting all these darwinian candidates I accept the fact that they are a small minority of the good people there enjoying the place, but now I accept National Parks decision to close these places. Its idiot factor at work, and how much is enough?
I concede they are fighting a losing battle.
The gene pool needs some serious chlorination!!!!
In absolute embarrising disgust,
Brian
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Unfortunately Brian this is known by Nat Parks as "the norm". Yes, every long weekend (and every other weekend for that matter) the lowest end of the gene pool comes out and dispays their superior knowledge and skill over the natural environment.
Although they are in the minority, the damage they do with monotonous consistency, and the cost to repair such damage, over time will errode the confidence in mankind of even the most ardent of believers.
As much as I hate seeing Nat Parks closed to all but bare footed hippies, I too have seen, as you, the other end of the gene pool at work and it leaves me wondering why all such places are not closed to all but the bare footed hippies.
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Sad but true Brian. Oh and you don't have to go to a NP to see them, try catching public transport :o
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It's sad...but they're out there.
Our Darwin factor occured at 1am this morning. I was sorely wishing I had on call a BK117 with a Night Sun installed. (thats a very big and very noisy helicopter with a very bright light FYI.) The entire place was quiet but then the bogans decided to show their true colours and up the volume of their music. Had they already been playing loud music the rest of the evening, we wouldn't have been too upset...however, everyone had gone to bed and all was quiet...and then for some reason, these people decided to up their music to concert level. Why? ???
I swear...
They're out there.
And it will only get worse...
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They could put up signs..."No Inbreds" but then again i doubt if they can read!!
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It's worse than that Jambo, they can read, but don't consider themselves in that catagory. ???
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I beleive we were camped right beside you and i am thinking that maybe no 5 is directed at our group and if so here is my explination. yes we did start a chainsaw in a national park but only after tightening chain and no wood was cut. All of our firewood was cut outside of the national park and on private property. If it was us who have ruined your weekend i do appoligise and I do agree with other remarks
on wombat hole etc we were quite disgusted ourselves.
Eddy
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It's a popular place, we know having been there 10 or so times while we lived in the Blue Mountains. These things are always going to happen which is a shame. All we can do is take details and pass it on. Shame that people behave that way and how pathetic to think covering a Wombat hole is fun. We've been there out of busy times and had the Wombats come up to camp and let us pat them - shame idiots will ruin it for the others.
Oh, I also take my saw into Newnes but like mentioned only to cut wood bought in. I've had the rangers come around a few times and they can tell if your for real about that.
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Mate,we get the same thing up here in Nth Qld!!!!! Total disrespect of the parks. ???
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.......... now I accept National Parks decision to close these places.
In absolute embarrising disgust,
Brian
Brian I'm afraid I could never ever accept a decision to close off a section of National Park for whatever reason.
I agree that when camping in areas with relatively easy access, close to more populated sections of Australia, and especially during a long weekend, you are very likely to experience some or all of the characters which you described.
What's the Answer?
- In the case of National Parks, perhaps a greater presence by the National Parks Rangers during these peak periods, at all times of the day and night. Not only would this boost the income from the exorbitant fees they charge, but a regular presence should deter any unruly behaviour. How often do you camp in National Parks where fees are charged, and don't see a National Parks Ranger for the entire weekend (did you see one on the weekend in question).
- Make the effort and find the spots which are harder to get to, but much less frequented by the Red Neck campers.
- Stay in caravan parks or privately owned camping grounds.
- Stay at home.
I know my solution is to try and find the out of the way, harder to get to camping spots particularly if camping during any peak periods. I am very reluctant to go camping anywhere popular during long weekends or school holidays.
To accept the closure of a National Park area for 365 days of the year, because you had a bad experience is short sighted. Remember, once these places are closed, it is more likely for the mighty Jesus Christ to return than it is for the area to reopen again.
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I don't think a padlock is the answer to problem areas. A few Rangers targeting the more popular spots at peak times might help, but if the person(s) carrying on as described doesn't think what they are doing is wrong what hope have they got ?? These sorts of people aren't lovers of the bush & the outdoors, just meatheads looking for some where/ anywhere to go & don't give a stuff about anyone else. The really sad part is that these people are allowed to breed. That is the bigger problem......... :cheers:
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I don't think a padlock is the answer to problem areas. A few Rangers targeting the more popular spots at peak times might help, but if the person(s) carrying on as described doesn't think what they are doing is wrong what hope have they got ?? These sorts of people aren't lovers of the bush & the outdoors, just meatheads looking for some where/ anywhere to go & don't give a stuff about anyone else. The really sad part is that these people are allowed to breed. That is the bigger problem......... :cheers:
I agree, heaven knows what we are up for with the government giving this lot $5000 a pop baby bonus (plasma, pokies and xbox) to breed like bloody rabbits!!
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Sounds like a typical 4wdAction outing :)
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Brian I'm afraid I could never ever accept a decision to close off a section of National Park for whatever reason.
I agree that when camping in areas with relatively easy access, close to more populated sections of Australia, and especially during a long weekend, you are very likely to experience some or all of the characters which you described.
What's the Answer?
- In the case of National Parks, perhaps a greater presence by the National Parks Rangers during these peak periods, at all times of the day and night. Not only would this boost the income from the exorbitant fees they charge, but a regular presence should deter any unruly behaviour. How often do you camp in National Parks where fees are charged, and don't see a National Parks Ranger for the entire weekend (did you see one on the weekend in question).
- Make the effort and find the spots which are harder to get to, but much less frequented by the Red Neck campers.
- Stay in caravan parks or privately owned camping grounds.
- Stay at home.
I know my solution is to try and find the out of the way, harder to get to camping spots particularly if camping during any peak periods. I am very reluctant to go camping anywhere popular during long weekends or school holidays.
To accept the closure of a National Park area for 365 days of the year, because you had a bad experience is short sighted. Remember, once these places are closed, it is more likely for the mighty Jesus Christ to return than it is for the area to reopen again.
The bold is the only part I disagree with Gary, especially in NSW & Vic National Parks, I think the rates on the whole are pretty bloody cheap.
Baz.
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Baz, depends what facilities are on offer, and how many in your family.
I think having to pay $30-$35/night for a family of four in an area which offers only one drop Shitter, and no showers of any sort, is a little high in NSW. We were surprised a couple of years back when we went to a few National Parks areas in Queensland where for a family of four we had camping areas which not only had a few toilets scattered around the place, but also had hot water showers (his and hers), and all for the low price of $19.00/night.
I would be more than happy to pay an annual fee which covers camping for my family, but at the moment they only offer annual fees which cover your access to the parks and not your camping, and on top of this they separate the park passes to exploit the more popular areas.
Sorry OP for the hi-jack of your thread, as I guess the fees charged is a whole set of discussions on their own, and one which I think has been covered before.
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Baz, depends what facilities are on offer, and how many in your family.
I think having to pay $30-$35/night for a family of four in an area which offers only one drop ****ter, and no showers of any sort, is a little high in NSW. We were surprised a couple of years back when we went to a few National Parks areas in Queensland where for a family of four we had camping areas which not only had a few toilets scattered around the place, but also had hot water showers (his and hers), and all for the low price of $19.00/night.
Wow $35 is rather expensive, most of the parks we have visited were only $10 per vehicle or $5.00 per person, but most have been free, with the exception of Kosiosko, we paid $5.30 per person per night at Lakefield with no toilet, that about the dearest we have struck, which I think is reasonable.
Baz.
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Await the cover of darkness, and Ninja their stuff. Works for me.
Irony and Karma are two of this Ninjas specialties.
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Await the cover of darkness, and Ninja their stuff. Works for me.
Irony and Karma are two of this Ninjas specialties.
You are the Master of the Ninjas! ;D
No wonder I feel safe when you're around. :D
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without thinking it through all that much - why not open all national parks up to those that can pass a "special NP licence" that way they get the extra $$'s that a licence would no doubt create and we get to go further into parks and best of all the knuckle draggers that ruin just about every camping trip we do would be barred from getting in
since we are off to Newnes this weekend I'm hoping the bulk of the feral revheads have moved on to Bathurst.
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Unfortunately we all have had some camping trip ruined by mentioned critters.
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Unfortunately closing National Parks does not solve the problem as those weeds we are talking about here still find their way in to closed areas. It was last year me and my wife and friend wen for drive up Tantangara rd turned on to Schofield trail up to a locked gate parked the car and for walk to Schofield Hut. Had great day. Returned to same spot few months later and there was track marks from some one driven up the steep hill to bypass the gate. Now closing it only locks out us who want to go there to enjoy and appreciate these National Parks. So I am strongly against locks on gates. So if we do witness these kind of behaviour Take details like time place rego description of offenders and pass this information on police or national parks demand action be taken. That's my five cents.
Roman
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jeez i dont have to leave my unit to put up with brain dead @#nkers ..maybe its me but the older i get the less tolerant i get . And bussoboy maybe getting a licence to use a national park isnt such a bad idea ,,
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Nnnnnnnnnoooooooooooo. Not another licence/permit/fee to purchase.
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Might be better to make 'em get a license to breed.......
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yea i know what you mean Gunna but maybe with a points system and a refundable fee structure for all the good ,honest caring campers out there ... yea i know who the hell is going to police /monitor all this @#llShit ??? maybe the Ninja idea is better lol :cheers:
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Hey Bullfrog us Taxpayers a paying them to Breed ???
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Sorry busoboy, another licence ...Icant agree.Every driver has a licence and half of them cant drive,more regulation is not what this country needs.Perhaps if parks spent less time puncing around in aircon cruisers and putting up stupid bollards everywhere they might have time to catch a few idiots.
sounds like the wrong wombats were being buried....
makes me almost feel guilty that I camped next to a stunning river with my family, and one other couple with us, without anyone around me on a long weekend.... ;D
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I beleive we were camped right beside you and i am thinking that maybe no 5 is directed at our group and if so here is my explination. yes we did start a chainsaw in a national park but only after tightening chain and no wood was cut. All of our firewood was cut outside of the national park and on private property. If it was us who have ruined your weekend i do appoligise and I do agree with other remarks
on wombat hole etc we were quite disgusted ourselves.
Eddy
Hi Eddy, I don't believe it was you I was referring to. It was the numpty in the crusier who was taking slivers off the huge log and his neighbour cutting half a forest about a click up the road...........
I'll also confess my sins, I had a chainsaw which i know is not allowed in the park, but it was stowed in its carry bag as always because it lives in the camper.
Cheers
Brian
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Brian I'm afraid I could never ever accept a decision to close off a section of National Park for whatever reason.
I agree that when camping in areas with relatively easy access, close to more populated sections of Australia, and especially during a long weekend, you are very likely to experience some or all of the characters which you described.
What's the Answer?
- In the case of National Parks, perhaps a greater presence by the National Parks Rangers during these peak periods, at all times of the day and night. Not only would this boost the income from the exorbitant fees they charge, but a regular presence should deter any unruly behaviour. How often do you camp in National Parks where fees are charged, and don't see a National Parks Ranger for the entire weekend (did you see one on the weekend in question).
- Make the effort and find the spots which are harder to get to, but much less frequented by the Red Neck campers.
- Stay in caravan parks or privately owned camping grounds.
- Stay at home.
I know my solution is to try and find the out of the way, harder to get to camping spots particularly if camping during any peak periods. I am very reluctant to go camping anywhere popular during long weekends or school holidays.
To accept the closure of a National Park area for 365 days of the year, because you had a bad experience is short sighted. Remember, once these places are closed, it is more likely for the mighty Jesus Christ to return than it is for the area to reopen again.
I don't agree with it. I now just accept it and understand why......... :'( :'( :'(
Certainly aint happy about it......... >:(
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O.K. I'm sorry to harp on but now I have to add another numpty.....
Perhaps UIZ733 could have asked before posting my picture................. ;D ;D ;D
Thats gold, but I do have to wonder where you got a photo like that?????
Cheers
Brian
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O.K. I'm sorry to harp on but now I have to add another numpty.....
Perhaps UIZ733 could have asked before posting my picture................. ;D ;D ;D
Thats gold, but I do have to wonder where you got a photo like that?????
Cheers
Brian
Was that photo taken in front of the dunny block they built to blend in Brian? ;D ;D ;D
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Hi Eddy, I don't believe it was you I was referring to. It was the numpty in the crusier who was taking slivers off the huge log and his neighbour cutting half a forest about a click up the road...........
I'll also confess my sins, I had a chainsaw which i know is not allowed in the park, but it was stowed in its carry bag as always because it lives in the camper.
Cheers
Brian
After talking to other mates today i now know what u were talking about if ihad of known there was another swag guy there i would of stopped and said gday
eddy
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It's sad...but they're out there.
Our Darwin factor occured at 1am this morning. I was sorely wishing I had on call a BK117 with a Night Sun installed. (thats a very big and very noisy helicopter with a very bright light FYI.) The entire place was quiet but then the bogans decided to show their true colours and up the volume of their music. Had they already been playing loud music the rest of the evening, we wouldn't have been too upset...however, everyone had gone to bed and all was quiet...and then for some reason, these people decided to up their music to concert level. Why? ???
I swear...
They're out there.
And it will only get worse...
A BK117 with bambi bucket is better give the bastards a decent wash too.....
Although some of the residents around Leura had an issue with load music the other day, didn't like Ride of The Valkaries coming from the speakers on the RFS air commander's helicopter......
No sense of humour those mountain silvertails.....
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It's not just exclusive to National Parks - we stayed at a small privately owned campground for the long weekend - well maintained and very relaxed rules - nice spot. Last night, some @rse puppet decided to take a dump on the floor of the ammenities block, only for some poor kid to go to the toilet during the night and step in it. D!ck heads - they're everywhere!! ???
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Some of them even fly media helicopters and get a little upset when they can't have their perfect shot.....
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Although some of the residents around Leura had an issue with load music the other day, didn't like Ride of The Valkaries coming from the speakers on the RFS air commander's helicopter......
No sense of humour those mountain silvertails.....
That's awesome... :cup:
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Brian532
It is encouraging to see that people are seeing what we deal with. It happens every where and many staff dispair at the necessity to lock up areas, believe me the damage that occurs behind closed gates is just as bad.A lot of this occurs to protect some from their own stupidity and to ensure we have safe trafficable fire trails. When we go to fires we spend up to 12 hours a day/ night for a week to ensure a fire is contained and safe and that exciting track for the 4wd driver is our work place and when they are ripped up, the first crews can be left unable to get our stock standard loaded to the legal limit vehicles past those washouts and remember we have to go back and forth constantly and that is adding to our chance of making a wrong move at the end of a long fire campain. We also suffer the parents that drop off under age children with alcohol for the weekend and leave them unsupervised till they come back the next day to pick them up, and we are supposed to have a magic spell to sort out those Richard craniums.
What you did by taking photos and rego numbers is pure gold and you have my appreciation and respect for having the courage to take a stand against the idiots, but take care as campers I have meet have been threatened by these bogans when confronted. I could go on to address a few of the other replies but that should probably be in a separate thread I will ask that those that knock should work with us over a busy Easter/Xmas/schoolies break and with our budget being shrunk every year and vacancies not being filled we do appreciate real solutions to the criticisms raised. :cheers: :cup: :laugh:
Grizzly
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I find alot of them play Doof Doof.
A fortnight ago we were at a SF campground where no dogs were allowed (there was a second campground 4k away where they were allowed), only to have some Nobs (as we call them here) and a Huge dog turn up and bark it's head off for the first 30 minutes. Once it quieted down, things were good though and you'd only have known it was there on occassion and the dog was restrained nearly all the time.
Then about half hour later some Nobs (as we call them here) who played concert loud music for hours and hours and hours. Oh and it was the same CD over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. When they finally turned it down around 8pm, a cheer went up around the grounds and they sheepishly turned it down further.
Bloody Nobs!
Kit_e
P.S. I think $5.30 pppn for a drop or flush dunny and a place to set up is really good, but I prefer to pay a little more for the private bush camping where the owner lives there. No CVP's thanks. Overcharged, sardine parks (as we call them here) is not worth the hot shower and pay phone.
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Last time I was in Newnes on a long weekend everyone was fairly well behaved except for the couple who as a parting gift to the rest of us decided to drop all their rubbish in the toilet and block it up - Nice one, the other 100 or so campers thank you for your thougtfulness.
Also im pretty certain that the poor person that was charged to fix that little incident has marked you as a person of interest.
But I absolutly agree, certain camps need a bigger parks presence during peak periods. Im from NSW and I also am dissapointed that certain parks charge a premium for camping yet only supply a long drop or composting toilet. I am happy to pay to stay in national parks, but I would also like to see value for money, if I stay in a national park and it costs us $30 - $40 for the night then I want more than a ring of rocks and a composting toilet with a faulty lock on it.
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and vacancies not being filled we do appreciate real solutions to the criticisms raised. :cheers: :cup: :laugh:
Grizzly
how do i put my hand up to fill a vacancy? - it must pay better than my current job
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Oh and it was the same CD over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.
I remember reading about an apartment owner who got payback on his noisy neighbours - went away for the weekend and left 'Macarena' turned up loud and on replay. ;D ;D
not what you can really do in an NP tho'
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I definately agree that the Ranger's need to be around a lot more on really busy weekends.
If not maybe a contact number that if these idiots continue that you can ring and give the ranger their number plate details for him to go and check out himself when they think he is not around :police:. Maybe that might get a few more booted out and they will hopefully spread the message through their swamp contacts. Remember I said hopefully >:(
Although they are not just confined to National Parks, we have camped on a private property several times now and one time the owner also hired out the old shearing shed to a heap of city slickers(20 odd grown men) that turned up in their camo gear which was brand new as it still had the packaging folds in their shirts???? They also brought their big fourby utes that they proceeded to take out EVERY night to go shooting....which is prohibited on this property....honestly we thought they we a terrorist training camp from some of the things they were doing ???......The final straw was shooting cans off the fence....yep the shots were being fired in our direction as we had camped down near the water and they were up in the shed.....how one of our kids didn't cop a bullet (yep live ammo too) was a bloody miracle......needless to say we told the owner and they havent been back :cup:
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For iPad and/or iPhone owners:
The Snap send Solve App (shows as SnapSolve on my iPhone) allows one to take a photo of some transgression. Then using the inbuilt GPS the App will determine the local government area, allow selection of the category of offence (from a drop down list), compose an email with photo attached, and then wait for YOU to press the send button.
The details & photographic evidence are then emailed to the relevant authority. ;D
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For iPad and/or iPhone owners:
The SnapSolve App allows one to take a photo of some transgression. Then using the inbuilt GPS the App will determine the local government area, allow selection of the category of offence (from a drop down list), compose an email with photo attached, and then wait for YOU to press the send button.
The details & photographic evidence are then emailed to the relevant authority. ;D
that sounds cool
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? Snap Send Solve? i cant find snapsolve?
Cheers
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? Snap Send Solve? i cant find snapsolve?
Cheers
Try snapsendsolve.com
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i have it now, in apps store as "snapsendsolve" not "SnapSolve"
Cheers
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It is also available for android phones
GG
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i have it now, in apps store as "snapsendsolve" not "SnapSolve"
Cheers
A similar app is ' neat streets '
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I am going to get that for my ipad, i can then be an iSnitch!!
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Bussoboy
Their are about 60 vacant positions last I heard for field staff ( the people who clean, dig,repair,build,kill weeds,ferals etc)and they have been vacant for a couple of years now, apparently their is no rush to fill them cost saving exercise (bugger the above listed work), and the pay for most of us is below the national average.If you are keen and willing to do bushfire mitigation work their will probably be some jobs coming up but only for a 3 year term to start with Commonwealth funded doing similar work as the RFS crews, keep your eye out as they will be across the state unless filled internally :cheers:
Grizzly
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Just got back from a weekend at Tinaroo.Camp next to us had loud
very loud music playing all night.2dogs barking all night.(National Park).
Idiots skiing at 7pm.
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Sol one of the reasons I normally don’t go to Tinaroo.
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was at Newnes for the first time this weekend.........Loved it, maybe only a dozen other campers there, even their kids kept quiet. we got in when it was dark so didn't see the 4wd only side until the next morning, but if we had gone over that side we would of been having it almost to ourselves (1 other camper)
You could see the telltale signs of people doing donuts in the grass etc etc, but all in all very clean and can't wait to go back and relax some more
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Personally, I have not had too many bad experiences whilst camping in national parks, apart from the doof doof every so often. I don't think it is up to the Park Ranger to be a security guard though. Some of these ferals are just looking for conflict and do not care about anyone or anything but themselves.
I think that the camping rate of $4.50 pp/pn in Queensland to be low and has stayed at this level for a long time. Maybe it should be higher during peak yobbo season to keep a few away and maybe provide some regular security runs through the parks?
GS
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I think that the camping rate of $4.50 pp/pn in Queensland to be low and has stayed at this level for a long time. Maybe it should be higher during peak yobbo season to keep a few away and maybe provide some regular security runs through the parks?
NP's & SF's are now $5.30 pppn ... were $5 about a year ago then went to $5.15 a few months ago, but looks like it's been hit with a Carbon Tax early.
Kit_e
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HI all I have to agree the rangers job is a tough one and not all trouble makers are bogans.A few years ago on Frazer Is in the camping ground we were staying this lady had pulled the ranger aside to complain about the state of the shower toilet block sand on floor etc .He was trying to explane his men were out fighting a fire which was heading towards the camping ground we were staying in. Would not have a bar of it would she.It,s funny (not) but same lady and hubby where cleaning under size Dart on a pinic table the day before then walking off leaving blood and scales behind.My point is not all bogans look like bogans have a lift and loud exhaust.tinkera.