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I concede - National Parks are right!!!
« on: October 03, 2011, 08:46:11 PM »
Most of us have ranted over national sparks for various things over the years and on the whole I consider most rangers and employees of the organisation pretty fair, hard working and just trying to do their job.
the hierachy however, well thats been debated and ranted at length.............. >:D

The time has come now to concede. They are right.. ???

To set the scene - I went along to Newnes in the Wolgan Valley for the weekend. Just me, another family and 75,000 other campers doing the obligatory long weekend thing.........
Yes I know I shouldn't go on a long weekend etc etc, but the jayco was getting itchy wheels, and I needed some fresh air.

Off we trundled over the mountains and set up camp across the river on the ruins side.
National parks have kept this historic area open and lo and behold you can even drive really close to the ruins and don't have to back pack bare foot through weeds for 4 days to see it.
A clean toilet with good quality paper was provided and signs and information was abundant.
Good large campgrounds with designated fire pits etc.
Wow. close to Sydney, good facilities, well maintained, abundant historic and cultural value in one of the prettiest valleys in the world. And national parks let us use it, look at it and enjoy it.

Of course this leads to Numpty number 1:
Just because its raining, muddy and you have a big engine, does it means you have to do a burnout everywhere you go???? >:(
I realise it must justify your inadequate apendage to be able to do a burnout in mud with a V8 ( go you hero!!!) but did Darwin just miss you or something? You're a tool. Get a life.

Then of course we met numpty number 2:
Yes I realise you spent $2200 on your free flowing mandrel bent 3" exhaust, and it may be fully sick in a maccas car park, but you're in a national park where people have gone for relaxation and peace. Where in any magazine, camp book or DVD does it suggest that revving your crappy little diesel 3.0l to 3500rpm is in any way enjoyable by the surrounding people?
Even once or twice to impress and show off, only serves to show your a w@nk3r, but consistenly and every time you drove the 45 metres to the toilet was it necessary to use half the gulf oil reserves to tell everyone you've got a big one??? You knob.

Numpty number 3:
Well they came in the form of the village idiots who liked to dress in camo and drag half a tree through the bush past the numerous signs indicating to stick to the tracks. I guess it was only flora you were destroying and you've probably got plenty of that back in the swamp!!!! Them there city folk with only one head and five fingers, just don't understand how it is in the swamp........
In your defence, I suppose you needed a raging bushfire you keep both your brain cells warm.

Numpty number 4:
Oh I didn't realise you were supposed to drive across the creek - not up it.....
If national parks didn't want you driving along the creek bed, they should have signposted every metre along the creek.
Thankfully you probably don't have job so it's not your tax money that would be used to erect said signs.... Numbskull.

Numpty number 5:
Just because the sign says no collecting firewood or chainsaws in NP's doesn't actually mean it.
What it means, is that other people can't do that, but I'm allowed. Cos I'm special!!! >:(
No you're just an id1ot. You keep going brother, rules are only for other people. Perhaps someday someone will ignore the no shooting sign and use your dumb @5s as a target.

Then of course my favourite - the numpty family:
After the kids had buried the entry to the wombat hole my kids asked them not to as it was a wombats home. Of course that was met the displeasurable remarks one could expect from the offspring of parents who also happen to be brother and sister!
I then stepped in and asked the kids not to do that as it was both destructive and harmful to the wombat. I probably should have explained it to my left boot as I believe it has a higher IQ.
We dug open the entrance again and went to explore the ruins that National Parks have let us view and enjoy. What an experience. A great walk, and a great day.
We returned back to camp to see the hillbilly clan closing up the same damn wombat hole as before. Mum and dad watching while they did it.
Thankfully for all, my wife was there to stop me putting a set of BFG's across their fat little backsides and burying them......Oh how I wanted to though >:D
In my weak as VB defence I did take photos of them doing it and their rego which I will duly forward to national parks.

Now after meeting all these darwinian candidates I accept the fact that they are a small minority of the good people there enjoying the place, but now I accept National Parks decision to close these places. Its idiot factor at work, and how much is enough?
I concede they are fighting a losing battle.
The gene pool needs some serious chlorination!!!!

In absolute embarrising disgust,
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Re: I concede - National Parks are right!!!
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2011, 09:04:41 PM »
Unfortunately Brian this is known by Nat Parks as "the norm". Yes, every long weekend (and every other weekend for that matter) the lowest end of the gene pool comes out and dispays their superior knowledge and skill over the natural environment.

Although they are in the minority, the damage they do with monotonous consistency, and the cost to repair such damage, over time will errode the confidence in mankind of even the most ardent of believers.

As much as I hate seeing Nat Parks closed to all but bare footed hippies, I too have seen, as you, the other end of the gene pool at work and it leaves me wondering why all such places are not closed to all but the bare footed hippies.
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« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2011, 09:07:03 PM »
Sad but true Brian.  Oh and you don't have to go to a NP to see them, try catching public transport :o
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« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2011, 09:12:36 PM »
It's sad...but they're out there.

Our Darwin factor occured at 1am this morning. I was sorely wishing I had on call a BK117 with a Night Sun installed. (thats a very big and very noisy helicopter with a very bright light FYI.) The entire place was quiet but then the bogans decided to show their true colours and up the volume of their music. Had they already been playing loud music the rest of the evening, we wouldn't have been too upset...however, everyone had gone to bed and all was quiet...and then for some reason, these people decided to up their music to concert level. Why?  ???

I swear...

They're out there.

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« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2011, 09:13:19 PM »
They could put up signs..."No Inbreds" but then again i doubt if they can read!!
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« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2011, 09:16:33 PM »
It's worse than that Jambo, they can read, but don't consider themselves in that catagory.   ???
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« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2011, 09:23:55 PM »
I beleive we were camped right beside you and i am thinking that maybe no 5 is directed at our group and if so here is my explination. yes we did start a chainsaw in a national park but only after tightening chain and no wood was cut. All of our firewood was cut outside  of the national park and on private property.  If it was us who have ruined your weekend i do appoligise and I do agree with other remarks
on wombat hole etc we were quite disgusted ourselves.

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Re: I concede - National Parks are right!!!
« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2011, 09:37:03 PM »
It's a popular place, we know having been there 10 or so times while we lived in the Blue Mountains. These things are always going to happen which is a shame. All we can do is take details and pass it on. Shame that people behave that way and how pathetic to think covering a Wombat hole is fun. We've been there out of busy times and had the Wombats come up to camp and let us pat them - shame idiots will ruin it for the others.

Oh, I also take my saw into Newnes but like mentioned only to cut wood bought in. I've had the rangers come around a few times and they can tell if your for real about that.
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« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2011, 05:50:40 AM »
Mate,we get the same thing up here in Nth Qld!!!!! Total disrespect of the parks. ???
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« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2011, 06:35:19 AM »
.......... now I accept National Parks decision to close these places.

In absolute embarrising disgust,
Brian


Brian I'm afraid I could never ever accept a decision to close off a section of National Park for whatever reason.

I agree that when camping in areas with relatively easy access, close to more populated sections of Australia, and especially during a long weekend, you are very likely to experience some or all of the characters which you described.

What's the Answer?

- In the case of National Parks, perhaps a greater presence by the National Parks Rangers during these peak periods, at all times of the day and night.  Not only would this boost the income from the exorbitant fees they charge, but a regular presence should deter any unruly behaviour. How often do you camp in National Parks where fees are charged, and don't see a National Parks Ranger for the entire weekend (did you see one on the weekend in question).

- Make the effort and find the spots which are harder to get to, but much less frequented by the Red Neck campers.

- Stay in caravan parks or privately owned camping grounds.

- Stay at home.

I know my solution is to try and find the out of the way, harder to get to camping spots particularly if camping during any peak periods.  I am very reluctant to go camping anywhere popular during long weekends or school holidays.

To accept the closure of a National Park area for 365 days of the year, because you had a bad experience is short sighted.  Remember, once these places are closed, it is more likely for the mighty Jesus Christ to return than it is for the area to reopen again.

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« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2011, 06:53:47 AM »
 I don't think a padlock is the answer to problem areas. A few Rangers targeting the more popular spots at peak times might help, but if the person(s) carrying on as described doesn't think what they are doing is wrong what hope have they got ?? These sorts of people aren't lovers of the bush & the outdoors, just meatheads looking for some where/ anywhere to go & don't give a stuff about anyone else. The really sad part is that these people are allowed to breed. That is the bigger problem......... :cheers:
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« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2011, 07:05:30 AM »
I don't think a padlock is the answer to problem areas. A few Rangers targeting the more popular spots at peak times might help, but if the person(s) carrying on as described doesn't think what they are doing is wrong what hope have they got ?? These sorts of people aren't lovers of the bush & the outdoors, just meatheads looking for some where/ anywhere to go & don't give a stuff about anyone else. The really sad part is that these people are allowed to breed. That is the bigger problem......... :cheers:
I agree, heaven knows what we are up for with the government giving this lot $5000 a pop baby bonus (plasma, pokies and xbox) to breed like bloody rabbits!!
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« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2011, 07:18:14 AM »
Sounds like a typical 4wdAction outing :)
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« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2011, 07:23:15 AM »
Brian I'm afraid I could never ever accept a decision to close off a section of National Park for whatever reason.

I agree that when camping in areas with relatively easy access, close to more populated sections of Australia, and especially during a long weekend, you are very likely to experience some or all of the characters which you described.

What's the Answer?

- In the case of National Parks, perhaps a greater presence by the National Parks Rangers during these peak periods, at all times of the day and night.  Not only would this boost the income from the exorbitant fees they charge, but a regular presence should deter any unruly behaviour. How often do you camp in National Parks where fees are charged, and don't see a National Parks Ranger for the entire weekend (did you see one on the weekend in question).

- Make the effort and find the spots which are harder to get to, but much less frequented by the Red Neck campers.

- Stay in caravan parks or privately owned camping grounds.

- Stay at home.

I know my solution is to try and find the out of the way, harder to get to camping spots particularly if camping during any peak periods.  I am very reluctant to go camping anywhere popular during long weekends or school holidays.

To accept the closure of a National Park area for 365 days of the year, because you had a bad experience is short sighted.  Remember, once these places are closed, it is more likely for the mighty Jesus Christ to return than it is for the area to reopen again.

The bold is the only part I disagree with Gary, especially in NSW & Vic National Parks, I think the rates on the whole are pretty bloody cheap.

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« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2011, 07:32:43 AM »
Baz, depends what facilities are on offer, and how many in your family.  

I think having to pay $30-$35/night for a family of four in an area which offers only one drop Shitter, and no showers of any sort, is a little high in NSW.  We were surprised a couple of years back when we went to a few National Parks areas in Queensland where for a family of four we had camping areas which not only had a few toilets scattered around the place, but also had hot water showers (his and hers), and all for the low price of $19.00/night.

I would be more than happy to pay an annual fee which covers camping for my family, but at the moment they only offer annual fees which cover your access to the parks and not your camping, and on top of this they separate the park passes to exploit the more popular areas.

Sorry OP for the hi-jack of your thread, as I guess the fees charged is a whole set of discussions on their own, and one which I think has been covered before.  
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« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2011, 07:46:46 AM »
Baz, depends what facilities are on offer, and how many in your family. 

I think having to pay $30-$35/night for a family of four in an area which offers only one drop ****ter, and no showers of any sort, is a little high in NSW.  We were surprised a couple of years back when we went to a few National Parks areas in Queensland where for a family of four we had camping areas which not only had a few toilets scattered around the place, but also had hot water showers (his and hers), and all for the low price of $19.00/night.


Wow $35 is rather expensive, most of the parks we have visited were only $10 per vehicle or $5.00 per person, but most have been free, with the exception of Kosiosko, we paid $5.30 per person per night at Lakefield with no toilet, that about the dearest we have struck, which I think is reasonable.

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« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2011, 07:49:25 AM »
Await the cover of darkness, and Ninja their stuff. Works for me.

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« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2011, 08:01:53 AM »
Await the cover of darkness, and Ninja their stuff. Works for me.

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« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2011, 02:01:45 PM »
without thinking it through all that much - why not open all national parks up to those that can pass a "special NP licence" that way they get the extra $$'s that a licence would no doubt create and we get to go further into parks  and best of all the knuckle draggers that ruin just about every camping trip we do would be barred from getting in

since we are off to Newnes this weekend I'm hoping the bulk of the feral revheads have moved on to Bathurst.
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« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2011, 02:11:33 PM »
Unfortunately we all have had some camping trip ruined by mentioned critters.

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« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2011, 04:10:25 PM »
Unfortunately closing National Parks does not solve the problem as those weeds we are talking about here still find their way in to closed areas. It was last year me and my wife and friend wen for drive up Tantangara rd turned on to Schofield trail up to a locked gate parked the car and for walk to Schofield Hut. Had great day. Returned to same spot few months later and there was track marks from some one driven up the steep hill to bypass the gate. Now closing it only locks out us who want to go there to enjoy and appreciate these National Parks. So I am strongly against locks on gates. So if we do witness these kind of behaviour Take details like time place rego description of offenders and pass this information on police or national parks demand action be taken. That's my five cents.


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Re: I concede - National Parks are right!!!
« Reply #21 on: October 04, 2011, 05:35:25 PM »
jeez i dont have to leave my unit to put up with brain dead @#nkers  ..maybe its me but the older i get the less tolerant i get . And bussoboy maybe getting a licence to use a national park isnt such a bad idea ,,

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« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2011, 05:44:46 PM »
Nnnnnnnnnoooooooooooo.  Not another licence/permit/fee to purchase.

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« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2011, 05:51:29 PM »
Might be better to make 'em get a license to breed.......
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« Reply #24 on: October 04, 2011, 05:53:07 PM »
yea i know what you mean Gunna but maybe with a points system and a refundable fee structure for all the good ,honest caring campers out there ... yea i know who the hell is going to police /monitor all this @#llShit  ???  maybe the Ninja idea is better lol :cheers: