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Re: Do you consider this sexist?
« Reply #50 on: August 20, 2015, 09:05:00 AM »
Many thanks for your responses and comments.
The guy that did this is over 60, Mediterranean birth and upbringing for 12 years, and over the last 5 years has seen his son jailed for drug use, developed a property estate that was valued at $6.5million and due to the GFC and idiot valuers, ended up taking 4 years to sell at less than cost which saw a loss of over $2.5 million.
Many would have turned to crime, drugs, or suicide, but all he did was pizz off an office worker.
My understanding of harassment was that it was based on more than a one off situation.This particular meme uses the "V" word which many find offensive for some reason. The term having bigger balls has been applied to many strong women including heads of state Angela Merkel, Margaret Thatcher, Helen Hunt and Kevin Rudd, and of those the only woman who complained apparently was Rudd.
The whole context was not meant to be sexual.
I saw the results of one case where a manager over a period of time went from complimenting an employee on her clothes ended up saying" I like the look of your legs in that skirt. I would like to see them wrapped around my neck"
Now that is a clear case of sexual harassment, and it cost him $15 000, but the total of all the offences combined was around $150 000.
The one I have described was a one off situation with no hint of any sexual connotation, but looks like Human Rights are desperate enough to take it up.
I am old enough to remember many years ago when a piece of art (Chloe??) a nude painting was re-hung over a Melbourne bar. This sort of thing was pretty well considered porn up to then, now you see far more flesh in Women's magazines and no one flutters an eyelash or as the meme indicates a Victorian era woman, faints from having the vapours.
I guess we will see what Human Rights have to say.
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Re: Do you consider this sexist?
« Reply #51 on: August 20, 2015, 09:45:36 AM »
Quote from: terravista on August 20, 2015, 09:05:00 AM
Many thanks for your responses and comments.
The guy that did this is over 60, Mediterranean birth and upbringing for 12 years, and over the last 5 years has seen his son jailed for drug use, developed a property estate that was valued at $6.5million and due to the GFC and idiot valuers, ended up taking 4 years to sell at less than cost which saw a loss of over $2.5 million.
Many would have turned to crime, drugs, or suicide, but all he did was pizz off an office worker.
My understanding of harassment was that it was based on more than a one off situation.This particular meme uses the "V" word which many find offensive for some reason. The term having bigger balls has been applied to many strong women including heads of state Angela Merkel, Margaret Thatcher, Helen Hunt and Kevin Rudd, and of those the only woman who complained apparently was Rudd.
The whole context was not meant to be sexual.
I saw the results of one case where a manager over a period of time went from complimenting an employee on her clothes ended up saying" I like the look of your legs in that skirt. I would like to see them wrapped around my neck"
Now that is a clear case of sexual harassment, and it cost him $15 000, but the total of all the offences combined was around $150 000.
The one I have described was a one off situation with no hint of any sexual connotation, but looks like Human Rights are desperate enough to take it up.
I am old enough to remember many years ago when a piece of art (Chloe??) a nude painting was re-hung over a Melbourne bar. This sort of thing was pretty well considered porn up to then, now you see far more flesh in Women's magazines and no one flutters an eyelash or as the meme indicates a Victorian era woman, faints from having the vapours.
I guess we will see what Human Rights have to say.
Cheers
Ian

Basically hes ****ed. she is aiming for a payout.. she finds the lawyer Dewy Cheetham and Howe and he will close the doors.
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Re: Do you consider this sexist?
« Reply #52 on: August 20, 2015, 10:02:06 AM »
Quote from: terravista on August 20, 2015, 09:05:00 AM
My understanding of harassment was that it was based on more than a one off situation.This particular meme uses the "V" word which many find offensive for some reason. The term having bigger balls has been applied to many strong women including heads of state Angela Merkel, Margaret Thatcher, Helen Hunt and Kevin Rudd, and of those the only woman who complained apparently was Rudd.
The whole context was not meant to be sexual.

so based on that, i get one free shot of sexual harassment??  i doubt that very much...

plenty of people, both men and women, find the use of the term 'vagina' in a very public setting offensive, not just for 'some reason'....

whether 'we' think the note or the term is offensive is beside the point.  the person it is directed at is the one who may/may not find it offensive.

we have no right to assume that they should or should not find something offensive.

common sense would dictate that you just don't do things like this... it's not hard to figure out.

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Re: Do you consider this sexist?
« Reply #53 on: August 20, 2015, 10:27:32 AM »


I'd like it noted that from this day forward I find the word "TOYOTA" officially harassing and offensive. anyone using it will be done for harassment.















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Re: Do you consider this sexist?
« Reply #54 on: August 20, 2015, 10:46:30 AM »
Quote from: Bird on August 20, 2015, 10:27:32 AM

I'd like it noted that from this day forward I find the word "TOYOTA" officially harassing and offensive. anyone using it will be done for harassment.















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i think you are missing the point...

it's not so much the word that is offensive, its the context in which it is used...

in your example, what if i left a note for your wife or daughter that said 'how about i drive a toyota up your ****'?  totally different context, but the same word used.

what is interesting is that their are some many different opinions on issues such as this... 

and opinions are like a**eholes, everyone's got one... :)

and each opinion can be equally valid... but in the OP's case, only one opinion will matter ATM...

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Re: Do you consider this sexist?
« Reply #55 on: August 20, 2015, 11:17:48 AM »
Quote from: paceman
it's not so much the word that is offensive, its the context in which it is used...

"...plenty of people, both men and women, find the use of the term 'vagina' in a very public setting offensive..."  ;D
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Re: Do you consider this sexist?
« Reply #56 on: August 20, 2015, 11:26:55 AM »
Quote from: Bird on August 20, 2015, 11:17:48 AM
"...plenty of people, both men and women, find the use of the term 'vagina' in a very public setting offensive..."  ;D

not sure what is being misunderstood, the public setting is part of the context i am talking about... whispering in someone's ear is a totally different thing to placing something out in the open, which is open to misinterpretation (ie: taken out of context), which is what appears to have happened here...

the note being left on the desk is a public setting where many people can see it (AFAIK)...

what if people walk past and see the note?  opinions are formed about that person, without their knowledge, based on a note that someone thought was funny.

doesn't sound fair to me.

i think we can agree to disagree on this.  i've said my piece... :)
« Last Edit: August 20, 2015, 11:39:42 AM by paceman »
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Re: Do you consider this sexist?
« Reply #57 on: August 20, 2015, 12:34:52 PM »
Quote from: paceman on August 20, 2015, 10:02:06 AM
so based on that, i get one free shot of sexual harassment??  i doubt that very much...

I don't know whether you would get one free shot of sexual harassment. I assume there would be a legal term for a once only act and it would be hard to call it harassment, but I would agree it could still be a punishable offence.
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Re: Do you consider this sexist?
« Reply #58 on: August 20, 2015, 04:26:56 PM »
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Re: Do you consider this sexist?
« Reply #59 on: August 20, 2015, 04:37:51 PM »
Ohh dear  10.9.8.7.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.;D
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Re: Do you consider this sexist?
« Reply #60 on: August 20, 2015, 04:42:09 PM »
Chains... now that excites me....  >:D

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Re: Do you consider this sexist?
« Reply #61 on: August 20, 2015, 06:12:12 PM »
OH OK just for Jeepers  ;D
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Re: Do you consider this sexist?
« Reply #62 on: August 20, 2015, 07:31:12 PM »
Quote from: time on August 19, 2015, 02:42:24 PM
Totally inappropriate in the work place, she has a good case, hope the boss has deeeeeep pockets.

If you can't see how obviously offensive this would be to that employee then ................

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 - how spectacularly inept ... you CANNOT mention (verbally; in writing; etc); Virgina or balls; or any other euphemisms relating to genitalia... or even close to...

Anyone on here in a management job; or in something resembling a management position that doesn't understand that - please resign now!     Dumcoffs!    ;D     
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Re: Do you consider this sexist?
« Reply #63 on: August 20, 2015, 07:36:03 PM »
Quote from: BaseCamp on August 20, 2015, 07:31:12 PM
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Re: Do you consider this sexist?
« Reply #64 on: August 20, 2015, 07:56:01 PM »
I remember a former girlfriend 'stirring' (ever noticed this is a female trait...?) me about having a pink shirt in my wardrobe. after several bouts of banter I pointed out she was wearing a blue jumper. the question was put to me to the effect of 'so what' whereupon I pointed out blue was the boys colour. instantly on the dismissive I was asked 'oh -humph - since when'...?

fact is especially in this country it is pretty much illegal if not against the 'rules of society' (or john howard's 'mainstream australia') to have anything exclusive to men - oops, sorry - 'males' to the point where that old adage of 'pink is for girls, blue is for boys' is no longer with standing. I even heard a radio dj (female) telling how her grandmother would look at the sky and say 'there's enough blue in the sky to make a pair of pants for every boy' and again spitting out the dismissive 'whatever that was supposed to mean'

so, for me I'm out to support those Australian companies that have been named in parliament for 'failing to answer' to the federal governments stipulation of how they intend to comply with eeo policies for women and sit over on the lounge with a glass of tyrrels wine
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Re: Do you consider this sexist?
« Reply #65 on: August 20, 2015, 08:41:48 PM »
I'm glad she's not at my depot with the amount of sh*t that gets spoken there. We'd all get sued and sacked before we stuck a blow.
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Re: Do you consider this sexist?
« Reply #66 on: August 20, 2015, 08:46:36 PM »
So... if people don't call it a vagina.. what do you call it? Isnt that the correct name for it??


or just call it Wife?


Lets see what Urbandictionary says about it


PS.. lets now ban thinking about people too

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Re: Do you consider this sexist?
« Reply #67 on: August 20, 2015, 08:47:09 PM »
If I came into the office one morning to find that on my desk I'd be equal parts furious and mortified.

If I found out it was my boss who left it there I would seriously start looking for another job.  If he thinks that, as a boss, this is acceptable and that he hasn't done anything wrong, I can do without that grief

It would also have me wondering - if he's leaving notes about my vagina to my face (so to speak) what's he saying/talking about behind my back??
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Re: Do you consider this sexist?
« Reply #68 on: August 20, 2015, 09:05:30 PM »
probably no more than my two female staff members in a past employment were discussing my level of manhood in the office thinking I couldn't hear them over an technical issue I didn't tear someone apart in a different section over, nor any more a group of female staff members openly and loudly denigrated another boss's failure to call another issue in their favour . it seems the male genitalia is not sacred. this same group of females were heard discussing action their concern over some instances where the apparently taboo 'c' word was becoming more common

so next time I see the pink ute driven by a female with a clear sign 'it takes balls to be a woman' painted across the tailgate, can I have her pulled over by the highway patrol and fined?
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Re: Do you consider this sexist?
« Reply #69 on: August 20, 2015, 09:08:58 PM »
actually - if you read the card, it is actually spoken from a female perspective...?
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Re: Do you consider this sexist?
« Reply #70 on: August 21, 2015, 08:22:52 AM »
Boooooooooooo......... oops sorry wrong thread.
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Re: Do you consider this sexist?
« Reply #71 on: August 21, 2015, 09:13:24 AM »
Quote from: raider on August 21, 2015, 08:22:52 AM
Boooooooooooo......... oops sorry wrong thread.
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Re: Do you consider this sexist?
« Reply #72 on: August 21, 2015, 02:21:18 PM »
It all depends on the context-
http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/the_many_moods_of_clementine_ford/

Clementine's a rabid lefty who gets paid to write for Fairfax and she recently tweeted of a female media colleague Rita Panahi who is Iranian by birth and by Clem and Co's standards a conservative writer-
"No matter how hard she tries, she'll never be a white man."
https://twitter.com/clementine_ford/status/633844160600997893

Tim Blair labels Clemmy and her like Misogyny Maidens very aptly 'Frightbats' and continually calls them on their outrageous double standards.
http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/clem_complies/
Unfortunately these are the sort of women and their girlymen sycophants who will be driving that HRC kangaroo court for sexual harassment with the full weight of the taxpayer behind them. It will have nothing to do with reasonableness and reconciliation between the two parties.


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« Reply #73 on: August 21, 2015, 02:35:51 PM »
On second thoughts although he's a bloke and stuffed there is the Mediterranean by birth and cultural angle to work over as best he can for mitigating circumstances. Find himself a top female brief that specializes in the multicultural/immigrant field.
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Re: Do you consider this sexist?
« Reply #74 on: August 21, 2015, 03:27:41 PM »
The thing I don't really get is just as Slydar pointed out, the meme is spoken from the female aspect.
Nothing on the meme names this alleged victim or even says she actually has a vagina.
The word vagina seems to be upsetting to some people, and when you see the lack of support from Magistrates who release without any punishment morons who abuse police with vile language and excuse it off because it is now common street language, surely the technical name of a woman's body should be able to be used.
The office this occurred has 1 full time male employee (me) two part time women, and a couple of hours a day the owner/manager drops in.
He has given her money when in need of it with no expectation of it being refunded, (and no sexual favours asked for) done repairs to her house without payment, given her heaps of time off when needed, and now after leaving what he thought was a joke, looks like being severely punished.
I showed the meme to my wife, adult daughter and many of their friends, and  on the whole (notice the w in front of hole for any prudes) only a couple had a problem with it, and after it was pointed out that here was nothing personal in it, and after the shock of seeing the V word in print, were OK with it.
It just shows that there are people out there that can be shocked themselves, or be shocked on behalf of others over what really should be pretty minor indiscretion.
Maybe people should just "HARDEN THE ACT OF FORNICATION UP". Sorry if that offends anyone.
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