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The daughter had a friend over on Saturday, just before she arrives daughter says she is gluten free........
Not wanting to put my hospitality at risk I shoot off the the shops......got there and discovered limited info on packaging......bread was easy but snacks for sitting on the couch watching movies was tougher as it's amazing what has wheat in it.
I get home pretty satisfied that I had done pretty good only to find out............she brings her own food as it's just easier.
Tip of the day, wait til daughters friend arrives and ask.
What happens if she did eat gluten??
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My niece has coeliac and diabetes. There is a large amount of gluten free produce available in Coles and Wooloworths these days. They have their own section and a freezer section as well. I agree about waiting as parents often feel it is easier, which it is, to send a child with their food. Here is a link to coeliac disease for your info.
http://www.coeliac.org.au/coeliac-disease/ (http://www.coeliac.org.au/coeliac-disease/)
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My sister has been hospitalised at least 1/2 dozen times as she goes into anaphylactic shock from gluten.
She is super dooper careful.
She ordered a meal from a restaurant and made it very clear of her predicament.
No problem they said and when her meal she questioned the bread roll.
No worries they said, we promise it's suitable.
Minutes later she has a reaction and asks what was in the meal.
The chef and the boss close the door for a private conversation whilst my sister's life is in peril.
She had to yell through the door for them to call an ambulance.
Very frightening for her and the reason she doesn't go out to eat too often, and why she will take her own food wherever possible.
Robbo...
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My sister has been hospitalised at least 1/2 dozen times as she goes into anaphylactic shock from gluten.
Didn't realise people were this bad with gluten....knew about peanuts !
Must admit I don't even know what gluten is ??
As a race, we certainly have been breeding pi** poor specimens during the last 100 years !! 8)
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Don't get me started on Gluten. I'm with you gronk I don't even know what it is but it seems to be the cool thing these days to consider yourself gluten free. No doubt there are a lot of legitimate cases out there but if you eat bread you will feel bloated people.
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I thought gluten free was just compost.
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Gluten intolerance is real - and reaction varies depending on personal level of intolerance (from feeling unwell after eating gluten to severe reactions). Thankfully these days the available range of gluten free products is much more advanced than what it was 10 years ago.
Most supermarkets have a health food section which usually includes gluten free items.
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The daughter had a friend over on Saturday, just before she arrives daughter says she is gluten free........
Not wanting to put my hospitality at risk I shoot off the the shops......got there and discovered limited info on packaging......bread was easy but snacks for sitting on the couch watching movies was tougher as it's amazing what has wheat in it.
I get home pretty satisfied that I had done pretty good only to find out............she brings her own food as it's just easier.
Had eldest blokes 18th at home a while back. During planning he said that one of his friends is vegetarian & another needs gluten free.
Mrs got him to check with them what they could eat & prepped a couple of special items tagged vege / gluten especially.
Only to watch as both girls got into the chips, dip, cheerios, party pies etc etc etc ???
Asked later what the story was, to be told "Ohh, a little bits OK". So why bother mentioning it in the first place? >:(
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Back in the 60's and 70's, I don't remember anyone being Gluten or peanut allergic or anything like that.
Not saying they weren't back then, but as Bully said, its like now its like cool dude, like you know, it just is.
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Don't get me started on Gluten. I'm with you gronk I don't even know what it is but it seems to be the cool thing these days to consider yourself gluten free. No doubt there are a lot of legitimate cases out there but if you eat bread you will feel bloated people.
Yep totally agree
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Had eldest blokes 18th at home a while back. During planning he said that one of his friends is vegetarian & another needs gluten free.
Mrs got him to check with them what they could eat & prepped a couple of special items tagged vege / gluten especially.
Only to watch as both girls got into the chips, dip, cheerios, party pies etc etc etc ???
Asked later what the story was, to be told "Ohh, a little bits OK". So why bother mentioning it in the first place? >:(
This happens at XMAS party's j organize, fashionable at times
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Whilst gluten 'intolerance' is fashionable these days amongst a certain set, having a close family friend who suffers from coeliac disease I can assure you it's anything but just bloating after eating bread.
Also have a friend of one of kids who has a severe nut allergy. They just bring their own food when thy come visit. It's just easier all around. It's a blooming minefield.
The gluten thing is interesting. Studies have shown an increase in gluten intolerance over about 6/7 generations of animals. So if that holds true it could well be that we are just starting to see it occurring.
The other thing about severe allergies is that they just used to kill people early. Now with better medical care, they survive, hence more people with the allergies.
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Absolutely agree there are cases out there that could kill people if they eat the wrong thing. But I haven't heard the word so much except for the last few years. Maybe it is like gym wear. Some people buy it and actually use it but most buy it and wear it to pretend they have been.
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It's pretty sad that some people have to take a serious disease and diminish everyone's understanding of it by adopting it as a fashionable lifestyle choice.
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The other thing about severe allergies is that they just used to kill people early. Now with better medical care, they survive, hence more people with the allergies.
And the cycle continues....the pi** poor breed, creating more pi** poor people, and suddenly we have a society that's plagued by gluten, peanut, asthma etc, etc !!
Our medicine is "fixing" things that nature used to take care of !!
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And the cycle continues....the pi** poor breed, creating more pi** poor people, and suddenly we have a society that's plagued by gluten, peanut, asthma etc, etc !!
Our medicine is "fixing" things that nature used to take care of !!
Hmm. Salaries doesn't cause allergies. It's just simple genetics passing on. Our coeliac friend is a nurse manager and her husband is an engineer and I'm sure the professional parents of our nut allergy friend wouldn't be too happy to hear you refer to their daughter that way either should we let a 7 year old girl die because she accidentally eats a peanut? Yes it's so severe a single nut could kill her
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What happens if she did eat gluten??
Our friend suffers intense stomach pain, vomiting and diarrhoea
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I endured the torture of a strict(no cheating) gluten free diet for a period of 6 years in the 2000's. Happy to say been back on a regular diet for some time now. For those that don't know gluten is the protein part of the grains wheat, rye, barley, malt and somewhat oats due to manufacturing processes. Sugar parts of those grains( glucose etc) are ok. Whilst labelling and range of products has improved greatly I often find the quality lacking( still consuming some GF goods).
Conduct of the major supermarkets I find frustrating. Squeezing out specialist gluten free producers products to range their own supposedly healthy items. Often own brand products are similar to sugar filled biscuits/ cakes/ snacks found in regular supermarket isles just gluten absent.
Those choosing a GF as a lifestyle choice need to be careful as some replacements for gluten are quite high in carbs similar to wheat. Other wheat grains such as spelt might be a healthier alternative as well as following a well balanced diet.
We spend extra $ and time to ensure we eat a better quality of food from all food groups.
Sorry rant over.
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We spend extra $ and time to ensure we eat a better quality of food from all food groups.
We also eat this. :D
(http://i1051.photobucket.com/albums/s429/linds_72_99/141015%20snapper%20resize_zpsioa9erwp.jpg)
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As much as we talk about it being fashionable or a fad, I'm convinced it will eventually take my sister from us. A very sobering thought.
Robbo...
Whatever you do, DO NOT ask about the drones...
rockfactor.com.au
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Hmm. Salaries doesn't cause allergies. I
Eh ?????? that went over my head !!!
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Re the 18 year olds eating gluten at a party.
Had a friends newly diagnosed son do exactly that. Apparently some teenagers think being sick for days is a fair cost for appearing 'part of the crowd'. ???
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My sister is celiac , as was one of past bosses - fun at conferences after a few drinks.
Turns out is not a career limiting move to take food out of your Gluten Intoerant bosses hand.
More fun was when the daughter started to get sick when on fraser island.
Worst one was at Kingfisher bay, had just made hamburgers on bread wraps, then she runs off towards the cafe, thankfully they had toilets & paper...
Finding things for her to eat was a bit more fun.
He'd her checked out by the doc when we got back, still has to be careful and not eat to much, but we don't call her gluten intolerant.
Nothing worst than the bearded hipster tosses and their fashionable partners who call for gluten free then eat the bread & drink the wheat beer
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Worse still you go to those crap hipster caffes to get lunch and theres not one diabetic friendly drink in the place except possibly nasty coke zero or 6 dollars a bottle water.
Having an alergy or aversion to food when you never did before is a real eye opener to how little there is on offer when you step out your door
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Worse still you go to those crap hipster caffes to get lunch and theres not one diabetic friendly drink in the place
Don't go !!
Go to the pub instead......all the diabetics I know still drink beer !! :cheers:
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This one does too!just not as much as i used to and not for lunch on weekdays! Lol
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Didn't realise people were this bad with gluten....knew about peanuts !
Must admit I don't even know what gluten is ??
As a race, we certainly have been breeding pi** poor specimens during the last 100 years !! 8)
Couldn't agree more mate. In nature the lions would take care of the week genetics. We have done more harm than good for our species that is for sure.
8)
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My wife is becoming more gluten intolerant the older she gets. She will have cake and things like that at a party for something special, but pays for it afterwards with arthritic type symptoms and headaches that can last for a couple of days. Just something that has developed over the last 4-5 years.
To top it off, she also has a high intolerance to corn. Take a look around the shops and try and find food that doesn't have wheat or corn in them.
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To top it off, she also has a high intolerance to corn.
I think I've always had an intolerance to corn...in fact I think my body disliked it that much, it stored it instead of digesting it....how do I know ??
In my younger days especially, even if I hadn't eaten corn for months, after a night on the grog and I needed an up and under, there would always be corn ?? ;D
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I think I've always had an intolerance to corn...in fact I think my body disliked it that much, it stored it instead of digesting it....how do I know ??
In my younger days especially, even if I hadn't eaten corn for months, after a night on the grog and I needed an up and under, there would always be corn ?? ;D
That's just a natural occurrence along with bits of carrot. :)
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Back in the 60's and 70's, I don't remember anyone being Gluten or peanut allergic or anything like that.
Not saying they weren't back then, but as Bully said, its like now its like cool dude, like you know, it just is.
In the '60s my dad didn't have celiacs, he just spewed everytime he tried to drink beer. Over his lifetime he progressively felt "sick" more often, but soldiered on because he just assumed it was normal. Always felt bloated, even though having a healthy diet, very active self employed tradesman, no drinker, non smoker.
About 15 years ago he was diagnosed with celiacs and went on a gluten free diet.
Within a couple of months he was a changed man. Fit as a fiddle. Lost about 10kg and leaned right up.
Now if he has any gluten (such as a few crumbs of normal bread mixed it with the butter from the butter tub) he will be crook as a dog within a few hours and might be layed up for a day or 2.
Peter
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And the cycle continues....the pi** poor breed, creating more pi** poor people, and suddenly we have a society that's plagued by gluten, peanut, asthma etc, etc !!
Our medicine is "fixing" things that nature used to take care of !!
Are you saying that anyone who ever gets sick, should take no medicine, nor seek any medical intervention? If not, can you please advise which things we're "fixing" that we shouldn't?
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Yep my youngest daughter when she was around 14 started getting crook minutes/hours after eating (always ended up over a dunny vomiting violently)... after a bit of testing and trialling and Dr's visits, we delved into the gluten free thing, this made improvements but still being crook... then tried removing dairy..... no more being sick, lost weight due to limited to mostly raw non processed foods and generally healthier and happier and has accepted now a couple of years later that this is now just the way it is..... So like plenty of others who know, shopping for both GF & DF foods is a challenge, but not impossible.
Earlier on after going GF/DF for a month or two we thought we'd test the GF theory, slipped some wheat type food into a meal (she knew it was in there, and it was her that wanted to try it, think it was crumbed steak) and guess what, about 2hrs later heaving her guts up...... poor bugger.
She's now cruising along with the whole thing though, occasionally gives me a cranky look when she see's me hooking into a fresh slice of normal bread, or a pie etc. As for sleeping at mates places, yep, she packs her food and doesn't really think much of any one else's opinion of that. :cup:
As for the people who are jumping to the "some people breeding sick specimens of kids" idea.... I can't type here what I think of that assumption >:(...... we have 4 kids, all been raised the same, all grew up out bush with plenty of knock-a-bout kid upbringing.. plenty of time outdoors, eating whatever we cooked up.. no fuss type kids and no helicopter type parenting, the older 3 showed no issues ever and still today with foods.
I honestly believe these types of allergies have more to do with the modifications that have taken place over the years that have changed very natural foods into something it was never meant to be..... changes made to make them faster growing and yielding higher values for production purposes, I'm no expert on farming but have seen enough doco's and articles on this type of thing to conclude there has to be something in it. :cheers:
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Are you saying that anyone who ever gets sick, should take no medicine, nor seek any medical intervention? If not, can you please advise which things we're "fixing" that we shouldn't?
Genetics mate.......I have seen 1st hand babies born , and being saved 26 weeks into gestation through the wonderful efforts of doctors, to find those babies had abnormalities.
We, as a race , are too good for our own "good"..
Medicine is great, but it's also why I said we are breeding pi** poor specimens.
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I honestly believe these types of allergies have more to do with the modifications that have taken place over the years
OR, is it possible the modifications were over a few generations of breeding ?? Who knows and it would be hard to prove either way !!
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IMO The difference nowadays is the medical profession can define allergies to a cause so they are becoming known outside of the sufferers family. In the past allergic reactions certainly happened but not with the awareness of today. Not that long ago most people died of natural causes but that is not the case now, they know the cause.
So a thread gets started with what I consider an interesting tone followed by a few insensitive posts. To put it nicely, better chosen words that show a tad of thoughtfulness to the people on this forum who have family or friends affected by allergies would have been nice.
I have no problems with folk airing their opinions but with topics of this nature, seeming off the cuff comments by people, some who I suspect have no firsthand knowledge of the topic, should think a bit before using the keyboard.
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Genetics mate.......I have seen 1st hand babies born , and being saved 26 weeks into gestation through the wonderful efforts of doctors, to find those babies had abnormalities.
We, as a race , are too good for our own "good"..
Medicine is great, but it's also why I said we are breeding pi** poor specimens.
And those kids with 'abnormalities' are still human and will still bring joy to their parents. Sounds like you've never had any hardship in your life gronk. If it was happening to you or one of your family members, I'm sure you'd be singing a very different tune. How insulting some people on here are being to those less fortunate, who I'm sure would much rather be healthy and happy if they had the choice.
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And those kids with 'abnormalities' are still human and will still bring joy to their parents. Sounds like you've never had any hardship in your life gronk. If it was happening to you or one of your family members, I'm sure you'd be singing a very different tune. How insulting some people on here are being to those less fortunate, who I'm sure would much rather be healthy and happy if they had the choice.
If you had READ my reply......it said I have SEEN 1st hand....
If you had READ my reply......I said as a race we are breeding pi** poor people....and I could even include myself in that category....as usual, people want to get on their high horse and whinge, but the fact remains that we are curing and fixing so much stuff these days...because we can, and as humans we think we should, but to fiddle with genetics and alter what used to come naturally is a moral dilemma that gets bigger every year.
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Eh ?????? that went over my head !!!
Sorry - read your comment on P*** poor people as monetarily poor. Reading your later comments I realise you meant it in other context
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If you had READ my reply......it said I have SEEN 1st hand....
If you had READ my reply......I said as a race we are breeding pi** poor people....and I could even include myself in that category....as usual, people want to get on their high horse and whinge, but the fact remains that we are curing and fixing so much stuff these days...because we can, and as humans we think we should, but to fiddle with genetics and alter what used to come naturally is a moral dilemma that gets bigger every year.
Not sure that I can agree. In the 1600's life expectancy was 35years.
1800's around 47 years.
Now it's around 75yrs?
Should we go back to the old ways of life? I'm happy not to.
We have been messing with the gene pool since man was. Nothing new in that regard.
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If you had READ my reply......it said I have SEEN 1st hand....
If you had READ my reply......I said as a race we are breeding pi** poor people....and I could even include myself in that category....as usual, people want to get on their high horse and whinge, but the fact remains that we are curing and fixing so much stuff these days...because we can, and as humans we think we should, but to fiddle with genetics and alter what used to come naturally is a moral dilemma that gets bigger every year.
The issue for the part of the argument about natural selection is that we don't need those same physical attribute that we once did. The biggest, strongest, fastest are all in sport which is a throwback in itself to testing for military fitness in ancient times. Technology has allowed humanity to thrive and survive without needing to be the fastest or strongest. In fact, one might suggest that innovative thinking and intelligence might be the new natural selection criteria for this world we currently live in.
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Natural selection is humans is disappearing and unfortunately making the human race weaker
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I honestly believe these types of allergies have more to do with the modifications that have taken place over the years that have changed very natural foods into something it was never meant to be..... changes made to make them faster growing and yielding higher values for production purposes, I'm no expert on farming but have seen enough doco's and articles on this type of thing to conclude there has to be something in it. :cheers:
It's the hormones in chickens I tell ya and the amount of McDonalds (chicken McNuggets) shops that are around :D
I might go and get some fries later now that I have been thinking about it >:(
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. In fact, one might suggest that innovative thinking and intelligence might be the new natural selection criteria for this world we currently live in.
What, at the expense of a strong and healthy body ?? So intelligence would be preferable to a body with abnormal limbs, asthma, allergies etc...
Same as for all other animals on earth, being the strongest, fastest etc was all about survival...nothing to do with military stuff.
Technology has allowed us to survive a lot of things that would otherwise have killed us, but it has also allowed us to save a lot of babies that naturally wouldn't have survived, and because we have the ability to do it, that won't change, but it weakens our gene pool, and will continue to do so until we come up with cures for the very things we contributed to !
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What, at the expense of a strong and healthy body ?? So intelligence would be preferable to a body with abnormal limbs, asthma, allergies etc...
Same as for all other animals on earth, being the strongest, fastest etc was all about survival...nothing to do with military stuff.
Technology has allowed us to survive a lot of things that would otherwise have killed us, but it has also allowed us to save a lot of babies that naturally wouldn't have survived, and because we have the ability to do it, that won't change, but it weakens our gene pool, and will continue to do so until we come up with cures for the very things we contributed to !
You need to read up the correct definition of natural selection.
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You need to read up the correct definition of natural selection.
You need to read......I never mentioned it !
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There's an interesting book called "Dangerous Grains" which maintains that grains have not been around for long enough for us all to have evolved to deal with them. Now they form the major part of the Western diet and most contain the gluten protein.
I get crook on normal fresh milk, but can tolerate A2 milk, which has a different and much older protein, just fine.
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Time for a rest
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Gronk, nothing personal mate, but I think the bottom line is that your argument is at best, insensitive and inflammatory to those who have to live with these ailments every day. Of course you can think what you are saying, but probably best to keep it as just a thought.
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Gronk, nothing personal mate, but I think the bottom line is that your argument is at best, insensitive and inflammatory to those who have to live with these ailments every day. Of course you can think what you are saying, but probably best to keep it as just a thought.
Insensitive is my middle name and I find the best way to deal with problems is head on, not beating about the bush. If you are a bit sensitive, just scroll straight past my replies !! 8) 8)
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For those that don't know gluten is the protein part of the grains wheat, rye, barley, malt and somewhat oats due to manufacturing processes. Sugar parts of those grains( glucose etc) are ok.
This is too true as this is why there is more gluten intolerant people now then in the 60's and 70's.
The manufacturing process of grains has changed considerably in the past 40 years I believe it is in the way it is baked.
Also if your on Facebook check out the page "Gluten free on a shoestring" has some very good recipes.
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Insensitive is my middle name and I find the best way to deal with problems is head on, not beating about the bush. If you are a bit sensitive, just scroll straight past my replies !! 8) 8)
Wow, just wow. You've inspired me gronk. Think I might head out tomorrow and tell the father of a young down syndrome boy that he has bred a piss weak child and should have let nature finish the job before he was born. If he gets angry at me, I'll just tell him he's insensitive and to get over it. Perfect logic.
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Wow, just wow. You've inspired me gronk. Think I might head out tomorrow and tell the father of a young down syndrome boy that he has bred a piss weak child and should have let nature finish the job before he was born. If he gets angry at me, I'll just tell him he's insensitive and to get over it. Perfect logic.
The bloke would already know that.....I don't think he would need reminding......he has probably run it thru his mind a thousand times since birth..
We are at the stage now with medicine ( ethics aside ) that BEFORE birth, we can have a choice whether to bring a disabled person into the world !
There will come a time ( if WW3 doesn't kill us all ) when this may become mandatory !!
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I think this thread has been used and abused enough. The OP has his answer and the protagonists have had a run as well.
Nothing good can come from letting it go on further.