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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: oldmate on July 01, 2015, 07:09:16 PM
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for towing a 1.8t CT in the sand?
Any help appreciated. :cheers:
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That's a hard call. I did hear recently that a Porsche Cayenne was drowned on an island so clearly the 4WD system in question, not sure the Suzuki Vitara has enough grunt, it might need a chip and new exhaust system, so I guess that only leaves the V6 TD Navara;D
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I am going to vote for the Grand Vitara.
Only cause no one else will.
Or perhaps a Lada as an alternate option.
Edit... Also depends on the ball weight.
If they have to wait long. It's no good.
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Really?? Can we keep this on track please. I only want to know about the cars mentioned,not some missin ute or an in a hurry wagon.
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Really?? Can we keep this on track please. I only want to know about the cars mentioned,not some missin ute or an in a hurry wagon.
maybe you should set this up as a poll and lock the thread?
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Really?? Can we keep this on track please.
Perhaps look at a train. They have no choice but to stay on track.
Also will have the grunt to tow your 1.8t camper.
And ball weight shouldn't be an issue.
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Perhaps look at a train. They have no choice but to stay on track.
Also will have the grunt to tow your 1.8t camper.
And ball weight shouldn't be an issue.
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I think you've hit the nail on the head there fathom, this thread is actually all just about ball weight me thinks
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I think you've hit the nail on the head there fathom, this thread is actually all just about ball weight me thinks
You sure?
I thought it was about tyre pressure when towing a 1.8t camper on the sand with locomotive.
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well I'm out, I thought it was going to be how many metre's of 6bs
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ill say a Dmax..
There so many people with them that's it really easy to get spare parts.. And the best thing I've found is that they don't come aftermaket recovery points..
But a close second would be an xtrail.. I'm sorry taking it off track
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well I'm out, I thought it was going to be how many metre's of 6bs
you must drive a Triton
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Really?? Can we keep this on track please.......
Why??
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you must drive a Triton
choose too ;D ;D
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Why??
Cause he's a prick
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ill say a Dmax..
There so many people with them that's it really easy to get spare parts.. And the best thing I've found is that they don't come aftermaket recovery points..
Maybe use the 6B&S with some cable ties.
But a close second would be an xtrail.. I'm sorry taking it off track
Is the X trail on a train?
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Just talking to my neighbour yesterday about a Cayenne in his workshop.....the owner had tried to put it in low range....succeeded but it wouldn't come out.....lesson, if you own a Cayenne, use the 4wd system often or not at all..
So, my choice is the dmax..
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Dmax
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Just talking to my neighbour yesterday about a Cayenne in his workshop.....the owner had tried to put it in low range....succeeded but it wouldn't come out.....lesson, if you own a Cayenne, use the 4wd system often or not at all..
So, my choice is the dmax..
Do Porsche Cayenne's have recovery points?
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Of coarse Fathom..
With camper in tow.
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DMAX is the only choice
Suzukis are for girls
Porsches are for poseurs
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On paper I'd say the Porka. But is the extra price worth it?
Base model Porsche Cayenne Diesel - max torque 580Nm. D-Maz LSU Crew Cab = 380 Nm
Porka=193KW / DMAX= 130KW
Fuel Capacity: Porka=100L / DMAX = 76
Porka has a lower Gross weight by about 100kg (Payload of about 700kg) / DMAX payload of 1000kg
If you get a model with air suspension the Porka's ground clearance is 271mm vs DMAX 235mm. Non air suspension is 217mm.
No idea about ball weights though
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Cause he's a prick
No.......really??..... ;D ;D
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Anybody remember the bloke a few years ago arguing the merits of the Cayenne's off road ability vs. a modded cruiser or Troll on 4WDA?
Pretty sure he would vote for the Porsche.
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Anybody remember the bloke a few years ago arguing the merits of the Cayenne's off road ability vs. a modded cruiser or Troll on 4WDA?
Pretty sure he would vote for the Porsche.
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Yeah, they don't like me on that forum after that :cheers:
Had to change my forum name
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Anybody remember the bloke a few years ago arguing the merits of the Cayenne's off road ability vs. a modded cruiser or Troll on 4WDA?
Pretty sure he would vote for the Porsche.
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Richard Hammond?
https://youtu.be/8Nd0Nf_dh-A
Think if you are after reliability then there is simply only 1 choice. Range Rover
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Yeah, they don't like me on that forum after that :cheers:
Had to change my forum name
Porsche Oldmate Cheyenne. ?
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Richard Hammond?
https://youtu.be/8Nd0Nf_dh-A
Think if you are after reliability then there is simply only 1 choice. Range Rover
Hahaha
I forgot about that
They have great taste in sports cars and can drive them pretty well . As 4wders, they are excellent commentators.
:)
I had a Rangie when I was a young bloke. Fun truck. Great on the beach.
When it went...
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Porsche Oldmate Cheyenne. ?
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sounds like a member of the Kardashian family....
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sounds like a member of the Kardashian family....
Great. We can't even decide between which model, and ball weight or tyre pressures or if we need recovery points on the locomotive let alone attempting to decipher the gender assignment of the 1.8t camper. And whether a champaign glass can balance on its rear end.
:)
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D Max by a mile.
I was in a service stn in Nth Queensland a few years ago and a lady came in with a Cheyenne, she was looking for the dip stick because her husband told her to check the oil. I checked the oil for her and it wasn't touching the dip stick. She went inside and asked the guy what oil she should put in it and he didn't know so she just bought 4 litres of the most expensive oil he had. I ended up putting the whole 4 litres in and it just reached the dip stick. The car had 40K on the clock.
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Coffee
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I have towed a heavy van (Jayco Hawk) with my Touareg in deep sand. The Touareg is a Cayenne clone. Mine had the 3.0L V6 TDI which had heaps of grunt (175kW). With wide tyres and constant 4WD and various electronic traction controls it was very capable off road. The lack of wheel travel and ground clearance on the steel sprung version was a problem in the high country but not so in sand.
Mine had a factory tow hitch and there are two recovery points front and rear.
Towing capacity is 3500kg and ball weight 350kg. Can the other two match that?
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D Max by a mile.
I was in a service stn in Nth Queensland a few years ago and a lady came in with a Cheyenne, she was looking for the dip stick because her husband told her to check the oil. I checked the oil for her and it wasn't touching the dip stick. She went inside and asked the guy what oil she should put in it and he didn't know so she just bought 4 litres of the most expensive oil he had. I ended up putting the whole 4 litres in and it just reached the dip stick. The car had 40K on the clock.
what does this tell us about its towing abilities??????????
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How far to travel before you get to the sand?
Plus what will the vehicle be used for after?
It may sway you choice.
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what does this tell us about its towing abilities??????????
If I was seriously considering buying a Cheyenne for towing a camper and I read this I would take a much closer look at its reliability record.
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Having owned a Grand Vitara my choice would not be the Grand Vitara
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Not know if this is a Pi55 take or not.... ;D
But
Don't these flash European Tugs have a lack of tyre side wall?
That to me makes them useless on the sand.
I'd say neither of the 3 are of any use on the sand. Doubt they'd like the clean out with leaf blower and hose after the trip.
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Thanks everyone, it's certinly all food for thought. Mmmmm. Decisions decisions.
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Dmax by a mile.
Or a V8 Discovery 2. At least it sounds nice.
Actually if you are looking at a Cayenne, you can afford a Disco 4, so get one. You wont regret it.
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When we were at Fraser 2 years ago there was a guy camping just up from us in his Porsche Cayenne plus a small van. The Island was very soft when we visited and while our Cruisers/Patrols had the benefit of ground clearance, he overcame the soft patches with pure grunt.
So if you can afford it, go the Porsche. Just don't use Low Profile tyres.
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I'd rather a puss cat.. It'll pull a 1.8 tonne camper pretty easy but not sure about any sand driving..
Oh and it'll always stay on track..
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I have seen them go off track. But I do like your thinking. Doesn't look as cool as the Porsche I just saw with 23" rims and a sweet note though
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If you're looking to upgrade from ya Pootrol, then any of the 3 you listed should be an improvement on what you already have ;) ;D
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I have seen them go off track. But I do like your thinking. Doesn't look as cool as the Porsche I just saw with 23" rims and a sweet note though
http://s754.photobucket.com/user/sploaterboi/media/AWhips/p_zps9e924f63.jpg.html (http://s754.photobucket.com/user/sploaterboi/media/AWhips/p_zps9e924f63.jpg.html)
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I seem to remember top gear reviewed the porche and a bunch of similar pretend 4wd s like the audi and the BMW vw ect and they rubbished them all.
The audience did come out ontop as the best all rounder and the BMW was the worst
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I have seen them go off track. But I do like your thinking. Doesn't look as cool as the Porsche I just saw with 23" rims and a sweet note though
thats one thing to keep in mind the porche could have some weird size rim tyre combo that might make it hard and expensive to get when required
dont quote me on whos car it was, but i think it was wholesale automatics melbourne have a triton that they used in the 4wd action dvds has 18" or 20" rims on it and it went just about everywhere (that a triton could ;D) (im sure he did the cape and fraser at least)also towing a camper from memory
http://www2.pajeroclub.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=20687 (http://www2.pajeroclub.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=20687)
Adam
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If I was seriously considering buying a Cheyenne for towing a camper and I read this I would take a much closer look at its reliability record.
That story is about an owner who didn't put oil in the car. How far would a Dmax go without oil?
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That story is about an owner who didn't put oil in the car. How far would a Dmax go without oil?
Not long, but a holden black moter (6cy) will idle for about 7hrs with no water and oil before is seized. I know as I did it, on purpose, once.
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I'm sure Ive got some pics in a box somewhere that shows a bloke, tunneling his way underneath a Porsche Cayanne with just his feet poking out from under the back .. on the up ramp to Eurong Beach Resort on Fraser years ago .. Prior to this he was doing runs up and down the beach yahooing and showing off with a car load of blond bimbo's...
Got towed out backwards by an rusty smoky old Triton ute and told to leave it on the beach and walk in ... Snubbed the bloke that towed him out and the advice , then goose tried it again and bellied it in the same spot.. Everyone just left him there then to try and dig it out with his hands..
But on track your going to need something with clearance and grunt to haul 1.8 ton .. For the money of a Posche just overhaul anything that needs it and stick in an Big block Chev V8 and auto into what youve already got .and spend the change leftover on trips for the next 10 years .. ;D
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I still can't work out if this is a serious thread or not.
If it is, I'd go the DMax.
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I still can't work out if this is a serious thread or not.
If it is, I'd go the Lada
if you knew the OP author, you would know the answer is serious. If one of the options was a Lada, then we'd know otherwise;D
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But on track your going to need something with clearance and grunt to haul 1.8 ton ..
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i thinks Eds has got it ,
dont see many chicken tracks on the beach as compared to the bush.
and beach tracks can change very quickly. i would be going with the most capable off road unit ( ???proberbly the dmax)
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That story is about an owner who didn't put oil in the car. How far would a Dmax go without oil?
I can assure you that a new D Max will make it between oil changes without a top up. If you think it reasonable for a new car to use 5 lites of oil between changes then I have some land you may be interested in.
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I can assure you that a new D Max will make it between oil changes without a top up. If you think it reasonable for a new car to use 5 lites of oil between changes then I have some land you may be interested in.
I don’t think Patr80l was referring to the engine using 5L of oil between changes, but more like at it’s last service not enough oil was put in. Maybe the apprentice got side-tracked while putting the oil in and didn’t put enough in or the oil filter was loose and lost oil that way. Or maybe it’s 5 years old vehicle which has done 300 000 kms and never been serviced) In my opinion just too many variables to say this model burns oil.
If I could afford one it would be high on my test drive list.
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For safety's sake, go with the Vitara. The step up in power from your current rig will be hard enough for you to handle. 8)
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I have some land you may be interested in.
does it have river frontage or water views?
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For safety's sake, go with the Vitara. The step up in power from your current rig will be hard enough for you to handle. 8)
:cup: :cup:
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For safety's sake, go with the Vitara. The step up in power from your current rig will be hard enough for you to handle. 8)
That brings the Lada back into contention.
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I don’t think Patr80l was referring to the engine using 5L of oil between changes, but more like at it’s last service not enough oil was put in. Maybe the apprentice got side-tracked while putting the oil in and didn’t put enough in or the oil filter was loose and lost oil that way. Or maybe it’s 5 years old vehicle which has done 300 000 kms and never been serviced) In my opinion just too many variables to say this model burns oil.
If I could afford one it would be high on my test drive list.
No mate it was not like that. The lady was very upset with the car, she said it had 40K on the clock and they couldn't keep the oil up to it. I have no idea whether it is a common problem or a one off but you would think if it was a one off they would fix it under warranty. If I was looking to buy one of these I would be very interested to hear about this car, that is why I posted it. Research would reveal if it is a common problem.
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I think you have discounted one brand just because of a bad rep. Surely this would be brilliant on sand and you wouldn't need a 1.8t camper!
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Huuuummmmmm
Not sure about the fire reputation with that one and the consequences of it.
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We have a Cayenne. It's a capable 4wd - the main problem is that the spare tyre is the run - flat emergency spare - which means if you are seriously travelling / 4wding you have to figure out where to store a full size spare - (we stand ours up in the boot when we are doing a trip but it does eat into your boot space)
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Huuuummmmmm
Not sure about the fire reputation with that one and the consequences of it.
Only gets hot and steamy in the adult size. ;D