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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: DannyG on May 15, 2014, 10:20:34 AM
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Lately I have been putting a lot of thought into different 4WD's and actually taking the time to look at different brands and styles, which I admit in the past is not something I would even consider. So I had to ask myself why is it that I would never consider anything other than the 4WD I have??
Of course I came to the conclusion that I have the best 4WD known to man so how could I possibly lower myself to own anything else!! (this is of course said with tongue firmly planted in cheek.....but there must be something in it....keep reading)
But the truth is that I genuinely have always just fobbed off any other 4wd as inferior. Of course I have the utmost respect for a live axle Cruiser or a 200 series but they are Toyotas and I am a Nissan man so they don't get a look in, in my eyes. (not entirely true, I would have bought a good 100 series at the time I was looking for the Patrol if one came up, but it didn't so Im a Patrol man LOL)
So I ask others, do you suffer from some sort of superiority complex? Do you think you own the best 4wd and everything else is just rubbish? Do you live in a world that unless you own a Patrol or a live axle Landcruiser your obviously not quite there yet??
Im guessing most people will deny this but Im sure we all see it all the time??
I know your thinking why is he suddenly going from a self perceived superior 4WD owner to someone with feelings.......he is getting soft.......yes and I am considering other 4WD's on the market besides a Patrol ;D
I mean in the past I would just dismiss anything unless it was one of the big two.
Navara...pffft chassis breaking hand grenades
Pajero......hahahahhahahha mitsubishi only ever make rubbish
Prado......as if, they are a toyota for a start and if the big brother breaks off road the little sister must be weaker
Triton.....yep chassis breaking and see above
Isuzu....hahahhaha you have to be kidding as if they could make a 4wd
Ranger.....wow have you read the internet forums and seen the problems they are having
And the list goes on. Yet I have never seen any of the above criticisms in real life....it was just a perception on what I read on the internet.....and we all know the internet is always right!!
But heres the thing, I had never actually taken the time to even look at any of these vehicles, let alone drive them and actually roll around under them or research just how good they all may well be.
I was a 4WD snob. I had preconceived perception of each of those vehicles based purely on internet dribble and a snobbery that stopped me from ever truly looking at them.
Recently I started researching, test driving and looking at other brands and I am shocked at just how wrong I was.
I was reading a thread on here about another brand I found it amusing some of the criticism the vehicle was getting, because ALL the criticism was the the exact opposite of what I found in reality but I could relate to what the people were saying because they were saying the exact perception I had prior to actually taking the time to research and drive the vehicles in question.
What am I getting at here? Well all those people that own a 4wd that is NOT one of the big two good on you for not following the crowd and I for one now look at you as a 4wd'er along side me as an equal and not just another person in an inferior vehicle LOL ;D ;D
I know we all own a 4wd for different reasons. One bloke might go rock crawling and bounce around rutted tracks every weekend, while another may never go off road and just uses it for towing etc so of course that is a big factor in the 4wd we all own but its not an excuse for superiority complex ;)
What do you all reckon?? Have you witnessed what Im talking about?? Are you a snob? Do you want me to council you? LOL
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I must be in a minority i am completly Non Brand Loyal i do a lot of reasearch then whoever has the features and the price gets my coin
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LOL is that the best pic you could come up with!
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i get 'why didn't you buy a ranger??' when i tell them i got a new BT50...
for me, $10000 difference between the same specc'ed vehicles, and they are mechanically the same...
i researched my #ss off and the BT50 was the best vehicle for my needs, including the price.
i am not a brand loyalist, by any means (i also own a honda CRV).
i'll get what works for me and fits in my budget...
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LOL is that the best pic you could come up with!
at short notice.. tryin to setup 8 tablets today.. screen rotation is playing up :(
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I must admit that I am brand loyal, but at one stage I was going to buy a twin cab four wheel drive and I did do my research, test driving different brands and even though I am a hard and fast Nissan man, my choice of vehicle at that time would have been a Holden Rodeo.
Due to a divorce summons I had to cancel the purchase.
I stick to my Nissan GQ for several reasons, but mainly because if it breaks down EG: ( water in the cylinders ) I can in a couple of hours have it back up and running, no computer to worry about in creek crossings, no electronic traction control or electric four wheel drive mode that can give me grief and I can service/repair the bloody thing in my shed without having to have a degree in electronics.
You can get this style of vehicle in the Toyota range , but with my height I find the Toyota very uncomfortable to sit in and drive.
cheers duggie
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2 years ago I looked for my new 4WD and it came down to a Pajero, a GU and the WK2. I'm not a big Toyrota fan, but know they're a quality product. The Amarok, Dmax, Colarado and Ranger etc, just didn't seem to have the room I was looking for, nor a big enough donk.
The Mitsubishi Dealership pissed me off, otherwise I would have probably bought it. That eliminated one.
Then it came down to the GU & the WK2. I didn't mind the GU and even swmbo liked it, but I researched on line and basically came to the conclusion that if it wasn't a TD4.2 it wasn't gutsy enough. The rest is history.
So in effect, I had to choose between a hand grenade and a fire bomb. The fire bomb had a gutsier donk plus I like to go against the trend.
Definitely wasn't brand loyal persay, just wanted the best option for my touring needs.
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I was going to reply to this thread but then i noticed you are from Tasmania and you know what they say about Tasmanians ;D ;D ;D
But just in case you were not born there I will say you make a valid point - I think most times people will put down whatever they do not own as a way of justifying to the world that they made a good decision.
Cheers
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I was going to reply to this thread but then i noticed you are from Tasmania and you know what they say about Tasmanians ;D ;D ;D
But just in case you were not born there I will say you make a valid point - I think most times people will put down whatever they do not own as a way of justifying to the world that they made a good decision.
Cheers
No? What do they say about Tasmanians?
Buy anyway yeh I agree with you, back when I used to date my sister she would say the same thing ;D ;D
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Great post DannyG, I guess myself I am brand loyal also, but not blinded by it like others ;D ;D ;D.
In a sense it comes down to research, meaning is thing reliable, but also what fits your needs, and then budget.
I own a patrol and luv the thing, ive owned Toyota's and luved them also, with my yota's it was hilux's, and they kept breaking on me, CV's mainly, with my patrol I haven't broken it....yet.. ;D ;D, but it needs more get it up and go for sure :-[ :-[, is it better then my yota...without doubt....so is it the best 4wd, for me yes, so yes im loyal.
I don't get into the "us and them" stuff, unless its on going dribble, then I will add my 2 cents, I accept every won and every veh for who they are, I like my patrol, but that doesn't mean everybody has to have one, TBH if I was in the market for another 4wd anytime soon I would grab a BT50 with out thinking twice, plenty of power, big enough for a family, and capable, particularly for the touring I do.
So Danny I don't need counselling mate, as us Patrol operators stick together ;) ;) ;).
Again great post.
Swanny
BTW.....what are you buying...??
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I am a snob to a certain degree as I only want to replace my Land Rover Defender with another Land Rover Defender. I'm not a complete snob though as I don't give a damn what anyone around me drives (maybe that's just a girl thing though ;)).
Our merry band of Misadventurers all own different vehicles from Cruisers to a Triton, a Challenger and several Land Rover Discoveries and Defenders. Plus Prados, an FJ Cruiser, a Patrol and even a GMC tackling the fun stuff with us.
Just because I don't want anything other then a Defender doesn't mean I don't appreciate the capabilities of other vehicles. The Triton is probably the most capable and consistent of the lot, and the 80 and 200 series Cruisers are also pretty amazing, but I just can't see myself in any of them. I know it's petty, but part of it is a 'looks' thing. The Defender 'looks' sexy (to me anyway ;D)
Hubby on the other hand isn't a snob at all because he is actually considering looking for something completely different :o :o :o
I've got some serious persuading to do >:D
Cheers
Karen
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BTW.....what are you buying...??
I already own the greatest 4WD known to man mate there is nothing else on the market that comes close so Im not buying anything....................whoops.........LOL Considering all options at this stage Swanny ;)
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up to post 13 and the green oval still hasn't had a mention.... ;D Defenders with their far superior British engineering and factory fitted "character" and "personality" (read: rattles, odd noises, panel misalignment) are the black sheep of the brotherhood, all to soon dismissed by the NISSYOTA brigade.
Only fellow owners of these fine pommy machines will truly appreciate them for what they are :cup:
*edit gclan beat me to it ;D
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I've owned and wheeled an NL Pajero petrol auto, GQ shorty petrol manual, Prado 120 diesel auto. I prefer the right tool for the job :)
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I dont care what it is as long as its built properly and does its job. What I never get is how defensive people get if their particular vehicle is criticised for legitimate reasons. Very strange....
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What I never get is how defensive people get if their particular vehicle is criticised for legitimate reasons. Very strange....
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I understand it. If a 3ltr patrol owner gets criticised yet his engine has done 300 000 plus kays I understand why they would get defensive yet the person doing the criticism probably thinks its a legitimate reason. ;)
Like wise I may say that Toyotas always break CV's as a generalisation and this may cause a lot of Toyota drivers to be defensive, especially the ones that go wheeling every other weekend and have never broken a CV but I may think its a legitimate criticism because i keep witnessing Toyotas breaking CV's.
Its probably human nature for people to be somewhat defensive over any criticism regardless how legitimate it may be??
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Two years ago a mate was looking at replacing his 4.2 TD Patrol & I asked him "With what?". After a long investigation he's still got it because it's by far a better vehicle than what he could afford! All he looked at in his price range needed a lot more money thrown at them to make them a fair dinkum "off roader". I'm no Nissan fan by any means after enduring a government G60 for several months in the early '70's. I have probably driven most makes, except for a Jeep so can't comment there, & the G60 is the worst vehicle I've ever driven off road!
I'm no snob as I drive a '97 Disco 1 & apparently Landies are the worst 4bee around. Just ask all the owners of other makes who have never driven one, they'll tell you ;D
I also drive a '93 'Cruiser 4.2 Diesel ute with after market turbo & 3" pipe so I'm not loyal/loyal to any brand, I guess it's horses for courses & there will always be problems with any make somewhere along the line. My nephew bought a new Colorado 2-3 years ago & got rid of it after 18 months or so as, in his words "I've done more miles in the courtesy car than my own!" & yet you read glowing reports about them. I have my particular vehicles because they suit what the good lady & I enjoy. The Disco for off roading & touring (much more comfortable & capable on both counts than the 'Cruiser. Gotta love coils) & the 'Cruiser for beach & the property. We go camping regularly with friends & rellies which means there's a swag of different makes so there's a bit of banter but nothing serious.
Now if you want to ask me about what's the best beer................................................... >:D
Steve
Edit: Gcan/Komaterpillar, I've got to learn to type faster :-[
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I just ask the experts.
Transmission shop yard: full of Land Rovers
Patrol cargo area: full of well-worked tools
Every mechanic I've ever met said that if everyone owned Toyota/Lexus, they would be out of business.
Opinions can be handy...but these guys see and work on more cars than all of us put together. They understand the pointy end of dependability.
All cars can break. If you aren't a mechanic yourself, though, dependability is worth the extra money every time.
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I am not brand loyal, when looking to replace the 80 series I looked at (and even sat in) a GU Patrol. After this I found everything was OK after I burned the clothes, and washed myself in acid a few times :D
For the first time in a long time we bought a car that was not a Toyota. We bought a second hand Laser because the Corollas were way over priced.
I honestly can say that I prefer a Toyota, probably because my family has mainly had Toyotas since Mum bought a '78 Celica. There is no actual reason except every Toyota I have had has been a great car that caused very little trouble. Having said that the other brands I have owned (Mazda/Ford/Hyundai) haven't exactely been terrible, well the Mazda wasn't actually that great but it was old when we got it.
Would I look at getting a different 4wd, perhaps but I would probably look around and come back to a Cruiser. Is there any logical reason for my decision, absolutely not.
Bunyip
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I just ask the experts.
Transmission shop yard: full of Land Rovers
Patrol cargo area: full of well-worked tools
Every mechanic I've ever met said that if everyone owned Toyota/Lexus, they would be out of business.
Opinions can be handy...but these guys see and work on more cars than all of us put together. They understand the pointy end of dependability.
All cars can break. If you aren't a mechanic yourself, though, dependability is worth the extra money every time.
lucky I'm a diesel fitter and my Defender is manual. So I can stop and help all the fingered Toyotas I come across at work. >:D
(I admit I drive a cruiser around at work *shame ;D )
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I just ask the experts.
Transmission shop yard: full of Land Rovers
Patrol cargo area: full of well-worked tools
Every mechanic I've ever met said that if everyone owned Toyota/Lexus, they would be out of business.
Opinions can be handy...but these guys see and work on more cars than all of us put together. They understand the pointy end of dependability.
All cars can break. If you aren't a mechanic yourself, though, dependability is worth the extra money every time.
I have spoken to several wrecking yards and the funny thing is they all say that everyone owned a Nissan Patrol they would go broke.
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I have spoken to several wrecking yards and the funny thing is they all say that everyone owned a Nissan Patrol they would go broke.
Duggie, Carlisle obviously needs counseling ;D
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I already own the greatest 4WD known to man mate there is nothing else on the market that comes close so Im not buying anything....................whoops.........LOL Considering all options at this stage Swanny ;)
You own a Jeep too?
Sorry I could resist ;D
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Its probably human nature for people to be somewhat defensive over any criticism regardless how legitimate it may be??
Good point. Probably just human nature.
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can't say I'm particularly brand specific. I think budget drives my buying options hence the recent purchase of a new Triton. I like to research the vehicles in my short list and choose the one best suited to my needs. I am aware of the Tritons shortfalls in their chassis strength so I will pack it and drive it accordingly. At the end of the day I have a sub $35k 4wd that gets me to where I want to go. Ultimately I would love a fully kitted out 200 series but alas, my budget doesn't match my desires.
So I suppose what I am trying to say is, does it really matter what car you drive? Isn't it more important to follow your dreams?
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I'm not brand loyal at all I just drive the best ;)
It's like if there's a footy game on and everyone in the room is going for one team, I'll back the other just for a bit of fun.
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Not at all a particular brand 'snob' when it comes to 4x4's, but vehicles in general, absolutely ;D
I own a Hilux, last car was a Hilux too. Next one probably will be also. Simply because I wear them out. My entire driveline comes out of one, into the next victim, then it's destroyed on the beach. If my little engine, gearbox and diffs would bolt into another breed of dual cab, then that's what I'd buy. But it doesn't.
To me, my Hilux is a Shitbox that gets me to and from work, but most importantly, up and down the beach with out effort or problems. Its a nothing car.
But, show me a car with round headlights and two chrome bumpers, and you have my attention. Especially if it's of 60's vintage. :-* Doesn't matter if it's GM, Ford or Chrysler, they're all beautiful. ;D
As for 4x4's, meh, they're just things to get you up and down the beach. They've got no soul >:D
Shane.
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I'm not brand loyal at all I just drive the best ;)
Sold the Prado?? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I prefer the right tool for the job :)
That's why I bought the Patrol....... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Swanny
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About 6 years ago I started looking for a replacement of my Rodeo and I wanted a full size wagon with live suspension. So for me it came down to the 100 series Cruiser or Patrol.
At the time any decent 4.2 TD Patrol were rare and overpriced, and I didn’t like how Nissan put their head in the sand about problems the early model 3L motors were having. (From what I read, unless you were the first owner who always had the car serviced at Nissan and didn’t have any accessories/modifications, then they would discuss options to rebuild your motor) If not, then you were own your own.
So for me seeing I was buying second hand, I staged my own silent protest against Nissan and bought the Cruiser.
Is the Cruiser any better off-road than the Patrol, No as I think they are equal.
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The stats don't lie, over 30% of members have the right brand :)
http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=1237 (http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=1237)
Toyota Landcruiser 318 (16.2%)
Nissan Patrol 308 (15.7%)
Toyota Prado 280 (14.3%)
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The stats don't lie, over 30% of members have the right brand :)
http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=1237 (http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=1237)
Toyota Landcruiser 318 (16.2%)
Nissan Patrol 308 (15.7%)
Toyota Prado 280 (14.3%)
It could also prove that there are people out there that are not real smart..... ;D ;D ;D...hahaha, no ur right numbers don't lie, we all know that..
Banter, just banter.
Swanny
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It could also prove that there are people out there that are not real smart..... ;D ;D ;D...hahaha, no ur right numbers don't lie, we all know that..
Banter, just banter.
Swanny
Like sheep Ill tells ya ;D
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The stats don't lie, over 30% of members have the right brand :)
http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=1237 (http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=1237)
Toyota Landcruiser 318 (16.2%)
Nissan Patrol 308 (15.7%)
Toyota Prado 280 (14.3%)
Total Toyota 598
598 actually represents 4% of the members have a Toyota ;D
4% of 15000 members equals 600
I am not a numbers man because you can read into statistics what ever you want them to do . :cheers:
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At the end of the day the PATROL is the best 4WD vehicle that is available to buy in Australia.
It's the toughest, reliable, fairly easy to fix by most mechanics, tons of aftermarket parts to make it better, most capable, big enough and the toughest looking.
Could do with a bit more power, but that can be done wit a few mods.
I've driven Most brands of 4wd offroad and patrol and cruiser are by far the most stable platform. The others are pretty capable too, they just dont feel as solid and surefooted and need more punishment to get down the track which leads to premature damage and ultimately vehicle failure.
But where each has its shortfalls, it also has its strengths. (Usually onroad manners)
For most though, any proper 4wd will meet their needs, it just depends on how you use it and where you plan to take it.
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At the end of the day the PATROL is the best 4WD vehicle that is available to buy in Australia.
It's the toughest, reliable, fairly easy to fix by most mechanics, tons of aftermarket parts to make it better, most capable, big enough and the toughest looking.
Could do with a bit more power, but that can be done wit a few mods.
I've driven Most brands of 4wd offroad and patrol and cruiser are by far the most stable platform. The others are pretty capable too, they just dont feel as solid and surefooted and need more punishment to get down the track which leads to premature damage and ultimately vehicle failure.
But where each has its shortfalls, it also has its strengths. (Usually onroad manners)
For most though, any proper 4wd will meet their needs, it just depends on how you use it and where you plan to take it.
yep sounds like the best 4wd needs a LOT of improving to get it up to scratch.... COOOOL
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At the end of the day the PATROL is the best 4WD vehicle that is available to buy in Australia.
you forgot to preface your opening sentence with, 'in my opinion'...
exactly the type of attitude that the OP was referring to...
i am sure some landcruiser, defender, discovery and other vehicle owners would disagree.
the sentiment of this thread (which i agree with) is that you should buy what you feel comfortable buying, in regards to usage requirements, aesthetic appeal and budget...
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Hi,
I did lots of research which I condensed to the page in this link. (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_INqwNByM5YdkRqOWNpb3JWUGs/edit?usp=sharing)
It was a no-brainer for what I wanted.
cheers
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I'd have a 200 cruiser if I didnt really want to go 4wding anywhere very challenging anymore because they're a bloody nice towncar. Same goes for the discovery if I liked drinking latte down at the local trendy cafe'. And the defenders are pretty good but just too expensive to repair and maintain.
Name 1 4WD that out of the box is capable constantly driving of hard tracks???
In my view there aren't any, which is why I've modded the patrol.
I'm first to admit that patrol is no powerhouse but far too many people just look at the engine output figures released from the manufacturer and base their decision purely on that. But the engine is only one component of many that make a good 4wd.
BTW, the 3.0 standard does the job good enough for MANY.
And the mods aren't required to "get it upto scratch" (which standard 4by is "upto scratch", they just make a good thing even better
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I'd have a 200 cruiser if I didnt really want to go 4wding anywhere very challenging anymore
Name 1 4WD that out of the box is capable constantly driving of hard tracks???
The one you "didn't really want" out flex's everything out of the box and its TC and suspension system take care of the rest.
Though I couldn't bring myself to scratch the hell out of $100k :D
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Same goes for the discovery if I liked drinking latte down at the local trendy cafe'.
looks like a fairly hard track to me...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyxXet4DH90 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyxXet4DH90)
makes for good viewing, whatever vehicle you have... :)
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looks like a fairly hard track to me...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyxXet4DH90 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyxXet4DH90)
makes for good viewing, whatever vehicle you have... :)
I watched that and waited for the hard bit of the track to come up but it never arrived.
Geez the fishing is good around here
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...And the defenders are pretty good but just too expensive to repair and maintain...
What part of a Defender is more expensive to repair or maintain than any other particular brand?
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I started with a 1991 standard diesel 80 series Toyota in 1998, only because at the time I couldn't find a GQ 4.2 diesel for a realistic price($20k to spend). My folks had a GQ 4.2D so I new what I wanted..... Well that changed rapidly. The Toyota was so much better in every way, even dad thought it was pretty good in comparison.
Down track a few years and that truck was sold to finance a home deposit, I had cars for or a while until the 4wd bug bit again. I decided to try my hand at a Nissan. Searched about and settled on a '98 GU 2.8TDi. I know, underpowered and overweight but I figured it would be fine for local tracks and the odd trip towing my small boat.....wrong! As much maligned as that motor was, it boogied once it got on the boil. Once rolling it was quicker than a stock 4.2td but the getting rolling part was the problem and towing made it soooo much worse. Low range driving tracks was fine, actually really good but the boat on a ramp or steepish hill start was plain rubbish. Decided to do the long term touring thing so it had to go. But what next....duel cab ute wasn't really gonna cut it in my mind so I went back to the landcruiser club and I didn't settle for anything but a 100 series 4.2 TD auto. I know many will say the IFS is no good but that simply isn't true. I've taken this thing further than I've ever been and done so in such comfort its impossible to go back to a dirty old Nissan now.
I'm not biased.... All up I've owned more Nissans/Datsuns than anything else but the Toyotas just shine above.
'77 120y, '72 1200 coupe, '88 pulsar, '92 pulsar and the '98 GU.
Superiority complex??? Maybe, but I love it.
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We had this discussion at a beer o'clock. We all drive different brands and apart from the friendly banter we all see that what suits you and your budget is what is best for you.
I have NEVER seen any anyone admit or say "This patrol/yota/landie/isuzu is a complete piece of $%^& and I wish I had never bought it" No matter the dramas most people will put a bright face on any issues and persevere (until they can trade it in or sell it off). Just my $.02 worth. I was a Nissan man but changed brands when they couldn't see what the Australian market needed for their patrol.
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I have a confession to make "I own a Toyota 80 series & I am superior" >:D
Swannie
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I have a confession to make "I own a Toyota 80 series & I am superior" >:D
Swannie
HAHAHA GOLD! :cheers:
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For me as an old school mechanic who gave up the car fixing spanners in the early 90's and who worked on mining vehicle fleets plus some time at ARB fitting the fun stuff into the 60 series, this question is easily answered.
I am superior as I have no modern trickalogics to go wrong because of a bit of moisture. No fancy who har at all, just stuff that works and keep working, just the way I like it.
I get my Overdoes of PLC's and touch screen controlled rubbish here at work. When home and out playing, no way I'm gonna let this unreliable modern stuff spoil my time.
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We are part of the Dmax Nation.
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My 4WD stores. Moved to Cairns in 1997. Never had a 4WD but wanted one being up here to explore the area.
What to buy... Talked to a number of mechanics and they advised a Toyota so bought an 80 series. Slowly added some extras with what I thought I needed and started to enjoy the Cape and the Gulf area. After a number of years it started needing work so traded it in on a V8 2004 model. Wow, the power was great as I towed a horse float and camper. Due to a marriage break down that went and was left with no 4WD. Being happy with what I had and a limited budget went to another 100 series and only a 6cylinder built 2000 model. Started the mods again and have it just the way I want it finally.
Years later and only 136,000 klm on the clock the motor went. Another $11,000 and its back on the road. Still enjoy it and it suits what I want for the budget I have.
Today there are so many options that I would not know where to start if I had to buy a new one. As my kids have moved away and there is only 2 of us I am partial to a dual cab but until my numbers fall I can only dream. Who knows in the future!!
Budgets, change of lifestyle will always see changes in what people will buy. Personally there is no perfect 4WD but the one that suits your requirements and Travelling styles. Do you want to tackle the OTL or cruise the tarred roads towing a caravan.
As long as I have the opportunity to get to places hassle free and sit by a creek or river relaxing and laughing with friends then I am in heaven.
We are superior in our own eyes. ;D
Mark
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I've never had the same brand twice. Even counting 2wds.
Didn't really set out to do that but 6 cars later I've had 6 brands.
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Hmmm in my driveway right now is a Nissan a Mitsubishi and a Toyota...
So don't think I can be called a brand snob.
But I will say off road, the Toyota is absolutely useless compared to the Troll and the Challenger...
But I spose I shouldn't expect too much from a Corolla. :)
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A bit more to add to my decision on which 4WD would suit me. The search began about 12mths before the purchase, starting originally looking at dual cab utes. I researched everything from brand new to second hand, VW to Toyota but nothing really grabbed me enough to be convinced. The main reason for looking at dual cabs was due to at the time having a Rodeo which was just really handy when you needed to just throw stuff in the back. Once we purchased the camper I noticed that not much was going in the ute so started to widen my search. Mainly Toyota, Nissan and Mitsubishi's were the choices. I wanted something that was comfortable, had a reasonable amount of grunt and would get me the places I wanted to go. While the Patrols and Cruisers were standouts as far as off road ability there were still concerns with both. I wasn't keen on the horror stories for the Nissans and definately wasn't real keen on the fuel consumption of the petrol Cruisers ( diesels being overpriced IMO )
It was then I looked into the Prado. While originally I did look at buying diesel, once again the price difference between them and a petrol was quite substantial. That and a few more horror stories to do with the D4D injectors made my mind up and a 2008 petrol was purchased and I've been more than happy so far. Whilst a couple of the guys I tend to go away with both own Nissans the banter has been never ending. Yes the Nissans are more capable off road, but I'll still give most things a go within reason ( still a bit protective with the Prado )
I think the decision all comes down to researching what vehicle will do at least 90% of what you want it to do and go for it! no matter what others think, after all you're the one paying for it.
I've attached a few pictures of both mine and my mates just to show that I am not at all biased that I in fact do have the greatest 4WD ever made.
First up is mine getting out there and having a go, then the mates with their Datsuns...... Enjoy
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Hmmm in my driveway right now is a Nissan a Mitsubishi and a Toyota...
So don't think I can be called a brand snob.
But I will say off road, the Toyota is absolutely useless compared to the Troll and the Challenger...
But I spose I shouldn't expect too much from a Corolla. :)
I dunno, I've hired a few Corolla's and that tackled anything I've pointed them at ;)
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A bit more to add to my decision on which 4WD would suit me. The search began about 12mths before the purchase, starting originally looking at dual cab utes. I researched everything from brand new to second hand, VW to Toyota but nothing really grabbed me enough to be convinced. The main reason for looking at dual cabs was due to at the time having a Rodeo which was just really handy when you needed to just throw stuff in the back. Once we purchased the camper I noticed that not much was going in the ute so started to widen my search. Mainly Toyota, Nissan and Mitsubishi's were the choices. I wanted something that was comfortable, had a reasonable amount of grunt and would get me the places I wanted to go. While the Patrols and Cruisers were standouts as far as off road ability there were still concerns with both. I wasn't keen on the horror stories for the Nissans and definately wasn't real keen on the fuel consumption of the petrol Cruisers ( diesels being overpriced IMO )
It was then I looked into the Prado. While originally I did look at buying diesel, once again the price difference between them and a petrol was quite substantial. That and a few more horror stories to do with the D4D injectors made my mind up and a 2008 petrol was purchased and I've been more than happy so far. Whilst a couple of the guys I tend to go away with both own Nissans the banter has been never ending. Yes the Nissans are more capable off road, but I'll still give most things a go within reason ( still a bit protective with the Prado )
I think the decision all comes down to researching what vehicle will do at least 90% of what you want it to do and go for it! no matter what others think, after all you're the one paying for it.
I've attached a few pictures of both mine and my mates just to show that I am not at all biased that I in fact do have the greatest 4WD ever made.
First up is mine getting out there and having a go, then the mates with their Datsuns...... Enjoy
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Rofl playing that game are we...... You wait until I get home ;)
I was just admiring my new intercooler when that pic was taken
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PS your a snob and need Counceling ;)
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I was just admiring my new intercooler when that pic was taken
Yep. Unlike a lot of others, there's plenty worth looking at under that red bonnet....... ;D ;D
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I wonder where I fit in, in this debate, ;D after all there is only one Nisota. :cup:
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When I did my research for this car, I was settled on a GU, but drove a prado and a paj to do some due diligence.
Withing 5 mins of driving the prado I new it was for me. The feel of the drive, over powered all of the clinical research!! So we try to choose with our brain, but the heart often steps in
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Rofl playing that game are we...... You wait until I get home ;)
I was just admiring my new intercooler when that pic was taken
Before the you tube video is shown in my defence, my radio had been going for 9hrs straight ;)
And listen to how easily it still jump started.
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I'll play ;D
I started out with a 1989 GQ patrol. Dual fuel! I loved that truck, big lift ,40" super swampers and all the other jazz. I rolled that thing three times and replaced the body three times.
Went from that to an 80 series manual, hated the gear box and kept snapping cv's.
Then into a 100 series manual v8! Man I loved that car! Sold that when I wanted a ute.
Bought an area rodeo v6, it did everything I wanted off road, it was very comfortable. But at the time the fuel bill was not going to work.
sold that and went back to. Patrol. Built it up exactly how I always wanted one but never used it so that went :-( .
We also have a d22 navara dual cab that does all our daily and weekend duties. Good tug that one actually.
I am currently driving a 2004 land rover discovery v8, dam that is a nice truck. I'm not going to give it back I think. I actually like it so much that I'm thinking of getting a disco 3 at the end of the year.
I've had a few explorers but didn't use them much off road, mainly for towing the big ski boats and the mistakes horse floats.
I think no matter what you drive as long as it does what you want it too then it is by far the best four wheel drive out. ....... for you :angel:
Cheers
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It's funny how most of the people that say the 200 series Cruiser is not capable off road are the disgruntled 3l Patrol owners.
Went for a ride in my mates 3L Patrol on the weekend....... Dare I say very underwhelming at best. >:D
I have owned Patrols, Tritons, Hilux's and Landcruisers over the years and I can tell you the 200 series cruiser is the best by a bloody big margin.
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It's funny how most of the people that say the 200 series Cruiser is not capable off road are the disgruntled 3l Patrol owners.
Went for a ride in my mates 3L Patrol on the weekend....... Dare I say very underwhelming at best. >:D
I have owned Patrols, Tritons, Hilux's and Landcruisers over the years and I can tell you the 200 series cruiser is the best by a bloody big margin.
:cheers:
Had I had the $ the 200 is what I'd have bought no questions asked
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I wonder where I fit in, in this debate, ;D after all there is only one Nisota. :cup:
Careful there jclures, you'll get ya duds hung up on the barb wire from sitting on the fence for too long.
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To be honest, all of us who drive any brand of 4wd are 'superior' because we can go further and see more than anyone else.
p.s. my tin top Sierra really is the best. ;D
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I can't afford to be a brand snob. At 2m tall - and with growing kids - my first criteria is "can I fit".
Last time I had a real short list of new 4WDs - 200 series, Pajero, Disco or Pathfinder. Everything else was too small for me to drive. I discounted used 100 series and 120 Prados (which I do fit into) because of lack of safety features.
I ended up with a Pajero because I couldn't afford a 200 series, had previously owned a LR and still wasn't convinced of their reliability, and the Pathy's reputation (for both reliability and offroad ability) was known.
Next time around, I'll do the same thing and see what I fit in, then make a decision.
My past 4WDs have included a V6 Freelander, 2Dr Range Rover and an XJ Cherokee.
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I had a late model 100 Series V8 petrol auto and had been perving at the 200 Diesel for years. Finally bought a second hand 200 GXL with all the fruit which weighs in at 3,260 kg with a full 180 litre tank and one drawer full of recovery gear. It's a really great vehicle BUT:
The Auto in the 200 is very mushy and not nearly as crisp and nice to drive as the 100, even after a transmission flush. It also seems to hardly ever lock up.
The 200, with all the weight, lift and roof racks plus the extra cost per litre of diesel, costs the same to run around the 'burbs at the petrol 100 series.
The cruise control on the 200 is rubbish and the so-called climate control is useless.
My 200 is less dustproof than my old 100 series.
The rubber trims in the roof channels keep popping off after they have been removed once.
Other than that, I love the 200, but it's not Manna for Heaven. So what do I perve at now?
Keith
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To be honest, all of us who drive any brand of 4wd are 'superior' because we can go further and see more than anyone else.
p.s. my tin top Sierra really is the best. ;D
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One of the vehicles we use to take up to DI and Fraser when we were all around 17 was a stock standard Mazda 1300!!!! Some of those trips will go down in folklore with a few making the papers. Always got it home. It was red and we use to get a screw driver and scratch each trip onto the guards hence the Red Baron nickname. Just needed a tow every now and then. Yes, it was a different world back in 1981!!
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Over the years I have had the pleasure to drive a pretty wide selection of vehicles, starting off with the old Land Rover whatever series it was and a 130 Defender to the old Dattos, before they became Nissan Patrols. At the time I did my own research test drives etc and bought what I could afford. In the early days it was easy as there was not a great deal of range. Then Toyota brought in the Hilux dual cabs, missed out on the 55s which would have made a great bus, to the 45s and finally the 70 series troopies. Again with work drove a mixture of mainly Cruisers and Patrols, each had good and bad, for us at the time the Troopy was the best. Then the ever ongoing flurry of dual cabs and the demise of the 4wd.
It was like some metrosexual latte loving jurno having an identity crisis and insisted the 4wds be more car like. Now we seem to have every type of car for every shade of cosmetic he has to wear. Really.
Just when it looked like the 4wd community could be getting some really great 4wd vehicle they all went soft. Not to mention the must have safety devices and traction aids, all of which may work fine on road vehicles but do the absolute opposite off road.
Sorry people I don't expect a real 4wd to be released as a new vehicle, if ever. Especially now the mining industry has been forced into have 5 star rated vehicles. Absolute crap. Thanks to some bureaucratic decision that it is safer. But I digress.......
We currently have an 80 Series and a Suzuki Grand Vitara. Why, quiet simple really. The bride due to medical reasons is high needs when it come to vehicles. If she is expected to drive it or be a passenger in it she needs to be able to drive it and be comfortable in it. A five minute sit in a vehicle will very quickly cull a vehicle for us.
The Zook is supposed to be her car, but the kids are constantly using it. The 80, well, we wanted to get into the touring side of things and while the Zook will do it the Cruiser tows the camper a whole lot easier.
Choosing the 80 we did the rounds of the car yards and she sat in just about every make and model of potential vehicles out there. She fell in love with the 100 series ticking everything for her. For the Patrol fans, yes she tried it but found the seating position too low and had troubles seeing over the bonnet. Looking at the budget the 100 was out of the question and the 80 was second on the list. We just had to wait for the right one, an auto turbo diesel to turn up. took a while but that is what we got, only because it suits our needs.
Is it the vehicle I would like to have? No but I think our dream vehicle would be a separate thread.
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Yes there are plenty of great 4wd's out there.
But it can't be denied that with a few simple and fairly
Inexpensive mods the patrol ( ok and a handful of others - jeep, defender, 80, sierra) WILL GO FURTHER offroad down the hard tracks than anything else.
A few inches of lift, 35" tyres and locked up, nothing else will touch these vehicles.
They are comparatively crap onroad, and don't try to tow too much with them, but if used as a 4WD for 4wding as they are designed then nothing else is as close.
How many 100, 200, Pajero, prado, dual cab etc etc hardcore trucks do you see?
Therefore they are superior AT 4WD
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The 4.2l Patrol is a great 4x4.
I'm sorry but the 3L Patrol IMO is not a superior 4x4. Far, far from it.
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If I wanted a superior 4wd I'd look at doing this.
http://www.arctictrucks.com/Frontpage/Brands/Toyota/Land-Cruiser-200 (http://www.arctictrucks.com/Frontpage/Brands/Toyota/Land-Cruiser-200)
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This is a very interesting thread. I believe in general the quality of a 4WD is represented by its resale value, and depreciation rate. A 4WD with a top reputation will hold its value much better than one with a terrible reputation.
I own an 80 series land cruiser, and am very happy with it. The factory turbo diesel ones are extremely expensive - 25k for a 24 valve turbo diesel with over 300k on the clock.
That said, I don't care too much about what people drive. At the end of the day, if it gets you out there and enjoying the Australian bush then who cares!
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Good thread! It's pretty hard to set aside the $$ cost of owning and running a 4WD as a factor in what vehicle we own. IF money was no object, I'd be like the arabs and running a petrol V8 Patrol or Cruiser or AMG Merc etc etc.
Reality for us was that we had $15k to spend 4 years ago when we wanted to get our first 4WD and go further afield with our camping. So that meant a 90 series prado/NM Pajero/ early GU Patrol etc. I was close to getting a Prado, but found it was a bit cramped inside and the mileage was very high on the ones I was looking at. We could only afford petrol engined ones too and I thought they were gutless to drive. I love the look of the Patrol, but was scared off by the hand grenade thing. I drove a couple and thought they were pretty much a truck too. With the Pajero, we could afford a diesel and I really liked the way it drove and it's very roomy. A big factor for us was getting a diesel, so we wouldn't be scared off driving it long distances and using it as a runabout.
In a year or two we will look at upgrading and will want to spend <$40k I reckon on something < 5yrs old. I don't want to spend $60k+ on a new vehicle at this point, unless I win lotto! I'll give a NT Pajero a look and a 150 Series Prado. To be honest I don't think I'd consider a 100 Series as they're just too old now comparatively speaking and a 200 Series would be massive overkill for us. If Nissan puts a new engine in the Patrol, I'd think about it. We're used to driving a 4WD now, so the Patrol mightn't seem so bad now. At the other end of the spectrum, a Challenger/Everest/Fortuner type vehicle might be worth a look too. Should be able to get into one of them at a much lower price point.
But yeah, I'm not brand loyal. I'd consider anything that fitted the bill for us.
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Buy a SsangYong, enjoy the drive and I can assure you no snobbish crap will go through your head. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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It's funny how most of the people that say the 200 series Cruiser is not capable off road are the disgruntled 3l Patrol owners.
Went for a ride in my mates 3L Patrol on the weekend....... Dare I say very underwhelming at best. >:D
I have owned Patrols, Tritons, Hilux's and Landcruisers over the years and I can tell you the 200 series cruiser is the best by a bloody big margin.
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Maybe in a woollies car park...try comparing it in the bush....bzzzzz...fail.....but a nice car none the less...did you also get your custom made oil tank to fit in the back....lol
Sorry just banter.
Really, they are a nice shopping trolley....oops i mean 4wd.....
Brand loyal....hmmm
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Maybe in a woollies car park...try comparing it in the bush....bzzzzz...fail.....but a nice car none the less...did you also get your custom made oil tank to fit in the back....lol
Sorry just banter.
Really, they are a nice shopping trolley....oops i mean 4wd.....
Brand loyal....hmmm
#LIKE :D
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If I wanted a superior 4wd I'd look at doing this.
http://www.arctictrucks.com/Frontpage/Brands/Toyota/Land-Cruiser-200 (http://www.arctictrucks.com/Frontpage/Brands/Toyota/Land-Cruiser-200)
I think you put in the wrong link there
Try this:
http://www.arctictrucks.com/Pages/1375 (http://www.arctictrucks.com/Pages/1375)
;D >:D
And have a read of the speil for each rig while your there
This modification is the perfect choice for the urban professional who wants the best of two worlds, urban style and off road. You decide.
Hahahahaaa urban professional
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FJ Cruiser, scene but not herd
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I think you put in the wrong link there
Try this:
http://www.arctictrucks.com/Pages/1375 (http://www.arctictrucks.com/Pages/1375)
That Patrol does look pretty sweet.
No way would the Pi$$y little 3litre turn those 44" tyres >:D
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Do not really care what other people drive and am not a brand snob. Used to drive a couple of 100 series and am now driving a disco 3.
It all comes down to individual preference and intended use.
did I mention that the disco is a fantastic 4x4 ? ;D
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i got a 99 lux worktruck, 98 prado (both of these have the 3rzfe 4 banger) great reliable trucks, had them since new
got a few zooks, great fun
lastly and more recently i have the 200......well it just beats all those hands down, unless you go rock crawling these are pretty awesome! i am amazed at what it can do with a drop in pressures.....we have been to some pretty out of the way places, yet with an airup we are back on the blacktop and cruising in comfort
have not driven a better truck in the sand.....oodles of lazy torque low down make it effortless
i am not a toyota snob tho.....gettin a new dmax to replace the lux shortly becuase toyota are ignoring the 4wd single cab market in favour of dual cabs....infact unless we get another 200 i cant see myself ever buying another yota
my pick for pure offroad would be a 4.2 GU ute, these are the ultimate IMO
we nearly bought a pajero instead of the 200 due to the $30k difference, but in the end stretched it and got the 200, 4 years later and i am glad i did.....that 30k is long forgotten!
cheers
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The phenomenon has a name... confirmation bias http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias)
and it's not just 4WD's.. it's everything.
anyone who just paid top dollar for their new 4WD/car/TV/BBQ/etc isn't going to want to hear someone telling them it's a dud.
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598 members WHO completed the survey have a Toyota. I am into numbers.
598 actually represents 4% of the members have a Toyota ;D
4% of 15000 members equals 600
I am not a numbers man because you can read into statistics what ever you want them to do . :cheers:
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I am into numbers.
Oh yea! So am I Terry. Anything that makes me numb is GOOD :cheers:
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Thoroughly enjoyed this video. And although an old fart the music and editing was great.
looks like a fairly hard track to me...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyxXet4DH90 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyxXet4DH90)
makes for good viewing, whatever vehicle you have... :)
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Thoroughly enjoyed this video. And although an old fart the music and editing was great.
looks like a fairly hard track to me...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyxXet4DH90 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyxXet4DH90)
makes for good viewing, whatever vehicle you have... :)
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I must be a brand snob, only owned 2 4wd's over the years and they've both been Toyotas. Started out with a 2.8 diesel dual cab ute and now have a 105 series Cruiser. Haven't found the need to keep changing vehicles over the years, as what I've owned has done what I've needed it to do. 8)
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After driving a series of green oval offerings in the early 80's, went to Mitsubishi's of late. With the current Pajero coming out of lease in 6 months, now looking at getting another green oval machine.
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What part of a Defender is more expensive to repair or maintain than any other particular brand?
No reply I see?? Cannot be that expensive to repair eh
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Name 1 4WD that out of the box is capable constantly driving of hard tracks???
In my view there aren't any....
And the mods aren't required to "get it upto scratch" (which standard 4by is "upto scratch") they just make a good thing even better
Jeep Rubicon
FACTORY front and rear lockers
FACTORY front and rear Dana 44 diffs
FACTORY electric swaybar disconnects
FACTORY 5 link live axle coil suspension front and rear
FACTORY 32" tyres
EPIC approach, departure, ramp over angles from the FACTORY
FACTORY 2" lift as an option
MOPAR front and rear bars and rock sliders all offered as FACTORY OPTIONS
I'd say it was "up to scratch" and "out of the box capableof constantly driving hard tracks" wouldn't you?
And all backed by FACTORY warranty
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But it's still a jeep ;D
(http://static0.esciudad.com/2004/jeep_wrangler_burnished_gold_metal_10216703_0.jpg)
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Wouldn't expect a playdo owner to understand >:D
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Jeep Rubicon
FACTORY front and rear lockers
FACTORY front and rear Dana 44 diffs
FACTORY electric swaybar disconnects
FACTORY 5 link live axle coil suspension front and rear
FACTORY 32" tyres
EPIC approach, departure, ramp over angles from the FACTORY
FACTORY 2" lift as an option
MOPAR front and rear bars and rock sliders all offered as FACTORY OPTIONS
I'd say it was "up to scratch" and "out of the box capableof constantly driving hard tracks" wouldn't you?
And all backed by FACTORY warranty
ALSO forgot to ad, ALL for under 50 grand drive away
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Tow truck as option
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Jeep Rubicon
FACTORY front and rear lockers
FACTORY front and rear Dana 44 diffs
FACTORY electric swaybar disconnects
FACTORY 5 link live axle coil suspension front and rear
FACTORY 32" tyres
EPIC approach, departure, ramp over angles from the FACTORY
FACTORY 2" lift as an option
MOPAR front and rear bars and rock sliders all offered as FACTORY OPTIONS
I'd say it was "up to scratch" and "out of the box capableof constantly driving hard tracks" wouldn't you?
And all backed by FACTORY warranty
You make for a convincing argument, but there are some thoughts that while they are factory optioned to be a very capable veh, the strength in there componentry is left to be desired...??
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We were so so close to ordering one but there simply wasn't enough room in the rear, my fridge wouldn't even fit, so we went with the defender instead. But would have a rubicon in a heart beat if we weren't using it for touring. Will be upgrading the wife's car in the next 12 months, and a rubicon is high on the list, or a defender 90 ;D
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I don't consider myself to be a brand snob, but I look down at anyone who doesn't drive a Toyota ;)
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No reply I see?? Cannot be that expensive to repair eh
I didn't even bother to reply that is why.
Defenders are good offroad, don't get me wrong.
Go price up some genuine parts for defender against a patrol, cruiser, hilux etc...
And also goto a euro tune up place that does factory servicing and get a few prices there too.
And then try to source some parts when they break.
Nightmare!!
Oh and I'm not brand loyal I CURRENTLY have a Nissan AND A Toyota.
I've had a hilux, rodeo, jackaroo, couple of fords, challenger, Pajero and a rocky so no I'm not brand bias, I just drive what i have proven to go the best offroad in 4WD.
Not to mention Hondas, suzukis, KTMs and Yamaha bikes.
People can drive whatever they want and good for them, what works well for one persons ideas of a good 4WD is completely different to other.
Some like rock crawling others mud slinging, some like beach runs, dunes, rocks, creeks, boulders, mountains, shopping Center car parks, schools, posing whatever.
A Mazda 6 is probably nicer, more relaxed and comfortable car to drive down to the shops that a Lamborghini murciallago, dosent mean that is a better road car tho does it.
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Jeep Rubicon
FACTORY front and rear lockers
FACTORY front and rear Dana 44 diffs
FACTORY electric swaybar disconnects
FACTORY 5 link live axle coil suspension front and rear
FACTORY 32" tyres
EPIC approach, departure, ramp over angles from the FACTORY
FACTORY 2" lift as an option
MOPAR front and rear bars and rock sliders all offered as FACTORY OPTIONS
I'd say it was "up to scratch" and "out of the box capableof constantly driving hard tracks" wouldn't you?
And all backed by FACTORY warranty
JEEP probably are backed by the best offering of aftermarket parts available to any 4WD on the market.
There is a company in the US that modifies some pretty awesome ones for sale.
http://www.allpar.com/cars/concepts/jeep/moab-2013/2-wrangler-recon.html (http://www.allpar.com/cars/concepts/jeep/moab-2013/2-wrangler-recon.html)
WHY? Because out if the box they must not be upto scratch by the enthusiasts and need modifying to make them more capable.
I actually very nearly bought a 4door jeep but the missus hated driving it on the test and they were too small for what we wanted so that why we don't have one.
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I don't consider myself to be a brand snob, but I look down at anyone who doesn't drive a Toyota ;)
Is that because you are not game to drive it down a hill?
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Is that because you are not game to drive it down a hill?
More like, they can't get up the hill to join me.... ;D
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All I can say is thank God the Jeep Rubicon doesn't have more room and come in diesel, or we'd have one :-X
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Maybe in a woollies car park...try comparing it in the bush....bzzzzz...fail.....but a nice car none the less...did you also get your custom made oil tank to fit in the back....lol
Sorry just banter.
Really, they are a nice shopping trolley....oops i mean 4wd.....
Brand loyal....hmmm
I was a very happy GU Nissan Patrol 4.2L TD owner.
Time come to trade her in. Nissan in their wisdom dropped the 4.2 and the 3L hand grenade was the only option. WTF
Nissan got it so very wrong. I'm not into self destructing motors.
So I'll guess I will have to put up with the sound and power of the V8 200 series. >:D
Life's tough
I never got the custom oil tank option as I have never needed it. She doesn't use a drop.
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Nissan in their wisdom dropped the 4.2 and the 3L hand grenade was the only option. WTF
Nissan got it so very wrong. I'm not into self destructing motors.
While ever we are blinded to diesels we forget the Patrol 4800 petrol. During the life cycle of the vehicle the extra costs are negligible and these things hammer.
We stuff around with chips and exhausts to get our TD's to get out of their own way, worry the injectors will go spaz and dump the exxon valdez into number 3 and then quibble over more fuel use from the petrol that does it better than the lot of them.
(V8 TTD aside :) )
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Yeah...
I don't get it....
if it does what you want and you're happy that's enough.
Funny at easter in the high country Half the diesels did not start ... landies and toyos.
No one was interested in a jump start from a SsangYong as their batteries were gone after 3-4 tries.
Just shows how entrenched the mindset is I guess.
Mines been fine other than its over aggressive systems monitoring that can kick in limp mode ( a few times.)
but I get home I am not stranded broken down so....?
Hopefully the prices will drop to near US prices soon so people wont feel like a total Putz for paying that much for something not that much different in reality.
if you want a real 4x4 go get a unimog. >:D ;D
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Looks at the Great Wall 4x2 in the driveway and backs away slowly :laugh: ;D >:D
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Looks at the Great Wall 4x2 in the driveway and backs away slowly :laugh: ;D >:D
Lol :)
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We were so so close to ordering one but there simply wasn't enough room in the rear, my fridge wouldn't even fit, so we went with the defender instead. But would have a rubicon in a heart beat if we weren't using it for touring. Will be upgrading the wife's car in the next 12 months, and a rubicon is high on the list, or a defender 90 ;D
« Last Edit: May 17, 2014, 09:32:15 PM by komaterpillar »
Better get the Defender while you can then.
Not having SRS Airbags didn't do it for me.
Having to open the driver's door window, when closing the door, wasn't much help either.
No the vehicle isn't air tight like a VW Beetle.
I had to stick my elbow out the window when closing the door.
It's either that or bump heads with the passenger as you lean in while closing the door.
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Yeah heard some odd things about GWalls don't know how widespread that is or just the few with problems.
The New Mahindra pikup looks interesting -lol
at least it doesn't have a DPF...
and it really needs the Mahindra bullbar to look normal.
But that's the thing I think a 23k car you will beat the shyt out of it and not think twice about it.
my 4x4 is raked to hell and a few dings too I plan on killing it and having as much fun as possible.
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They'll be making Land Rovers in India soon, you'll see.
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I didn't even bother to reply that is why.
Defenders are good offroad, don't get me wrong.
Go price up some genuine parts for defender against a patrol, cruiser, hilux etc...
And also goto a euro tune up place that does factory servicing and get a few prices there too.
And then try to source some parts when they break.
Nightmare!!
Oh and I'm not brand loyal I CURRENTLY have a Nissan AND A Toyota.
I've had a hilux, rodeo, jackaroo, couple of fords, challenger, Pajero and a rocky so no I'm not brand bias, I just drive what i have proven to go the best offroad in 4WD.
Not to mention Hondas, suzukis, KTMs and Yamaha bikes.
People can drive whatever they want and good for them, what works well for one persons ideas of a good 4WD is completely different to other.
Some like rock crawling others mud slinging, some like beach runs, dunes, rocks, creeks, boulders, mountains, shopping Center car parks, schools, posing whatever.
A Mazda 6 is probably nicer, more relaxed and comfortable car to drive down to the shops that a Lamborghini murciallago, dosent mean that is a better road car tho does it.
soo you have never owned a landie.......I have never experienced any issues getting parts for mine and repair costs seem comparable with other brands I have owned.........but than again I have only owned an 82 hilux and 47 series cruiser to compare against, both gave me more grief than my current ride
agree that we all drive what we drive for our own reasons...........
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The funny thing about Land Rovers is the 'weirdness' of what goes wrong.
Like those bloody three amigos in the 2000 ish models.
Or the stupid bloody chime that used to go off if you hadn't had the cassette player heads 'cleaned' by a certain time on the 1998 models.
That may be part of the charm.....LOL
At least Patrols and Prados just disintegrate their engines....
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At the end of the day, if it does what you want it to, you have the best 4WD!
Aaron
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Better get the Defender while you can then.
Not having SRS Airbags didn't do it for me.
Having to open the driver's door window, when closing the door, wasn't much help either.
No the vehicle isn't air tight like a VW Beetle.
I had to stick my elbow out the window when closing the door.
It's either that or bump heads with the passenger as you lean in while closing the door.
got a brand spanker at the end of last year, had it for 5 months now and love it. I drive a 79 series cruiser ute for work and although it does every thing its supposed to and is comfortable and is "car like" to drive its just not fun and engaging.
the defender is rough, noisy, and some of its ergonomics are a little questionable, but I find it fun and a more stimulating experience altogether and that is why I like it. But in saying that if I had the extra 25k to drop on a car when we were looking I would have bought a 76series GXL 4 door troopy for sure. But at the time the Defender was $50500 drive away straight off the boat from the UK with Leather, vinyl floors and premium sound so that's the path we took.
What I don't get with cruisers is your paying 70+k for a car with no power windows, no cup holders and ac is a $2000 option - not standard. Whats with that?
I am in noway brand loyal. I could care less what badge is on the front as long as I like driving it and it does what I want it to do its all good. What I hate is blanket statements about a particular make or model from people who have no real life experience with them and some who have never even sat in one let alone owned and lived with one.
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But at the time the Defender was $50500 drive away straight off the boat from the UK with Leather, vinyl floors and premium sound so that's the path we took.
That is some serious value. :D
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That is some serious value. :D
That's what I thought. Purchase price coupled with 24 000km service intervals (yeah you read it right 24 000km, 8.5 litre sump on a 2.2 litre engine) I don't get why people go on about Defenders being expensive to purchase, maintain and repair. If you buy parts for them in Australia it can be expensive but no dearer than a Toyota/Nissan/Mitsubishi. And if you buy parts from the UK from sites like http://www.lrdirect.com/ (http://www.lrdirect.com/) it works out cheaper again even with freight to Oz. all you have to know is OEM part numbers and lrdirect gives you the option of Genuine, aswell as 4-5 aftermarket suppliers. Everything I've bought from the UK has been on my door step within 4 days.
example - genuine front mud flaps, local dealer wanted $180 for the pair of front ones alone with fitting kit and a week to get them in. Got a full set of 4, fronts and rears, with fitting kits from lrdirect for $210 including freight. Ordered on Tuesday morning, received on following Friday
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example - genuine front mud flaps, local dealer wanted $180 for the pair of front ones alone with fitting kit and a week to get them in. Got a full set of 4, fronts and rears, with fitting kits from lrdirect for $210 including freight. Ordered on Tuesday morning, received on following Friday
Looking at the way you park it, you may need a few more..... ;D
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What I hate is blanket statements about a particular make or model from people who have no real life experience with them and some who have never even sat in one let alone owned and lived with one.
Couldn't agree more....!!!!
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komaterpillar
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"I am in no way brand loyal. I could care less what badge is on the front as long as I like driving it and it does what I want it to do its all good. What I hate is blanket statements about a particular make or model from people who have no real life experience with them and some who have never even sat in one let alone owned and lived with one."
Neither am I Ok.
It comes down to whatever floats your boat.
My experiences were owning 2 x Ser. 2A, a Ser. 3 and using a County and Defender Auto at work.
As well as Driving a Range Rover around for a couple of days.
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I have an 1989 Patrol carby 4.2 with 523000 on the clock, luv it.
Just bought a 2010 V6 Turbo diesel Cruiser 76 with 68000 on the clock. luv it .
Would like the stability of the Patrol and the rear diff on the cruiser though.
But if I want to go for a cruise on the road , I move the trucks and get the BMW 528 out for a spin.
Brand snob, no.
Brand proud yes.
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It comes down to whatever floats your boat.
When I bought the Ranger 2 years ago it did exactly what I wanted it to do. Gave me ok off road capabilities and room to chuck the mountain bike in the back with camping gear and the like. It did the job for me.
Now...possibly looking to back date to a more capable off-roader because thats what I'm looking to do more and ranger has its limitations. Do I care what I get? probably not...never really understood brand loyalty. used to laugh at friends that sat there and became so passionate about Holden V Ford at high school, when they have never driven!
The car just needs to tick your boxes, badge shouldn't worry.
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Yeah heard some odd things about GWalls don't know how widespread that is or just the few with problems.
The New Mahindra pikup looks interesting -lol
at least it doesn't have a DPF...
and it really needs the Mahindra bullbar to look normal.
But that's the thing I think a 23k car you will beat the shyt out of it and not think twice about it.
my 4x4 is raked to hell and a few dings too I plan on killing it and having as much fun as possible.
We've done about 18,000km in the Great Wall so far - we have the petrol single cab ute. Apart from being quite under-torqued when the camper is on the back it has been great. Has been on the beach at Port Macdonell and been bush bashing around the Murray, and done great, considering it is only rear wheel drive!
We've travelled from Bendigo to Batemans Bay, and Bendigo to Mount Gambier for our major camps so far, and apart from using more fuel than I'd like it has done well. (Just don't take one up the highway through Merimbula if you can help it, she really didn't like those hills lol ;D )
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Dazzler beat me to it, IMO the mighty GU 4.8 litre petrol is an absolute horsepower monster with a few minor tweaks, can be purchased cheap as chips, although can be a bit thirsty, and is my pick if my trusty TD42 GQ ever expires.
:cheers:Mike
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Just in the process of considering a dual cab Iveco Daily 4x4.
Has a 1.7t payload, just need to decide what type of tray on it, seats up to 7 people, centre and twin diff locks, uses around 12-15lts to the 100, can legally fit 37 inch tyres, only need car licence unless you do a gvm upgrade to 2455kg,
Down side comes with only a 90lt fuel tank
Same price as 200 series
Otherwise I wanted unimog but swmbo won't get truck licence >:(
Jason
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I spotted one of these in Sydney the other day. Front and rear winches too. I giggled like a schoolgirl with delight.
Or is that "giggled with delight like a schoolgirl"?
Is there a bloody comma in that sentence as well?
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Just in the process of considering a dual cab Iveco Daily 4x4.
Has a 1.7t payload, just need to decide what type of tray on it, seats up to 7 people, centre and twin diff locks, uses around 12-15lts to the 100, can legally fit 37 inch tyres, only need car licence unless you do a gvm upgrade to 2455kg,
Down side comes with only a 90lt fuel tank
Same price as 200 series
Otherwise I wanted unimog but swmbo won't get truck licence >:(
Jason
You are making me jealous! I reckon these are the best solution. 4WD's simply don't have enough payload!
Aaron
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Just in the process of considering a dual cab Iveco Daily 4x4.
Has a 1.7t payload, just need to decide what type of tray on it, seats up to 7 people, centre and twin diff locks, uses around 12-15lts to the 100, can legally fit 37 inch tyres, only need car licence unless you do a gvm upgrade to 2455kg,
Down side comes with only a 90lt fuel tank
Same price as 200 series
Otherwise I wanted unimog but swmbo won't get truck licence >:(
Jason
There is one down the road from my work at the moment and every time it drives past I think that maybe I should have got one. This one is blue in colour and has some nice mods to it, will try and snap a pic of it next time
GG
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Here is my inspiration,
http://www.goingbush.com/iveco.html (http://www.goingbush.com/iveco.html)
Also swmbo saw them at the Tocal field day earlier this month and said "I don't mind these". Monday afternoon I stopped at Iveco for more info ;D
Sorry for the stirring
Jason
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Hi everybody,
I think the best 4wd is whatever the person has sitting in their driveway at the time. They purchased the vehicle based upon their needs and wants at the time. Seven years ago I purchased the GU Patrol 3L hand grenade, put the mods on it, adjusted the VNT stop screw then never looked back. With a chip and exhaust I could pull away from as low as 1200rpm without hesitation. For a long time it made me happy. My only regret was that I bought a manual, whereas I should have bought an auto.
This year we sold the GU privately to a couple who are where I was seven years ago. They are happy and are putting it to use.
Now I have the 200 series. Comparing the two vehicles is like chalk and cheese. They are different and I consider myself very lucky to be in a position to be able to afford the 200 series. I'm yet to take it off-road as I am in the first month of ownership, but I suspect it will do things a lot easier than the GU 3L Manual. Is it the best 4wd out there. I'm not qualified to say. ;D
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Hi everybody,
I think the best 4wd is whatever the person has sitting in their driveway at the time.
Oi! Away we thee!
There is no place for common sense here. Now git wit ya.
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Hi everybody,
I think the best 4wd is whatever the person has sitting in their driveway at the time. They purchased the vehicle based upon their needs and wants at the time. Seven years ago I purchased the GU Patrol 3L hand grenade, put the mods on it, adjusted the VNT stop screw then never looked back. With a chip and exhaust I could pull away from as low as 1200rpm without hesitation. For a long time it made me happy. My only regret was that I bought a manual, whereas I should have bought an auto.
This year we sold the GU privately to a couple who are where I was seven years ago. They are happy and are putting it to use.
Now I have the 200 series. Comparing the two vehicles is like chalk and cheese. They are different and I consider myself very lucky to be in a position to be able to afford the 200 series. I'm yet to take it off-road as I am in the first month of ownership, but I suspect it will do things a lot easier than the GU 3L Manual. Is it the best 4wd out there. I'm not qualified to say. ;D
My thoughts as well and very similar story
GG
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My thoughts as well and very similar story
says he in the middle of downgrading... :P
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I'm not brand loyal so I try to pick the best vehicle (that suits my needs and budget) I can find at the time. My selection process goes like this:
1. Read every bit of published information I can find to make a short list. Love multi vehicle comparisons written by a good journo.
2. Stalk the owners of the vehicles identified in step one at the servo etc and ask for their experience to shorten the list. Discount the opinions of obvious fan boys.
3. Test drive
4. Buy
Steps one to four usually takes me a few months.
I'm also pretty careful not to buy a vehicle that is close to end of life because I turn them over pretty quickly, nothing worse for resale then having a two year old vehicle that is the "old shape" when you go to trade. I know I miss out on some well sorted vehicles but I need the residual.
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I know this is an old thread but I just stumbled upon it.
Honestly; I am too broke to be a car snob. I purchase the best that I can afford which will not be a Cruiser as they would never figure in my budget unless it is 25 years old with 500k on the clock.
In saying that - If I won the lottery tomorrow - I would purchase a four door Cruiser ute. The cruisers certainly have a reputation for reliability and they hold their value.
I think good luck to everyone and why should anyone be judged for what they can afford. It is an attitude that really gets my goat.