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Re: Superiority Complex with 4WD's
« Reply #75 on: May 16, 2014, 08:15:57 AM »
This is a very interesting thread. I believe in general the quality of a 4WD is represented by its resale value, and depreciation rate. A 4WD with a top reputation will hold its value much better than one with a terrible reputation.

I own an 80 series land cruiser, and am very happy with it. The factory turbo diesel ones are extremely expensive - 25k for a 24 valve turbo diesel with over 300k on the clock.

That said, I don't care too much about what people drive. At the end of the day, if it gets you out there and enjoying the Australian bush then who cares!

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Re: Superiority Complex with 4WD's
« Reply #76 on: May 16, 2014, 09:37:09 AM »
Good thread!  It's pretty hard to set aside the $$ cost of owning and running a 4WD as a factor in what vehicle we own.  IF money was no object, I'd be like the arabs and running a petrol V8 Patrol or Cruiser or AMG Merc etc etc.

Reality for us was that we had $15k to spend 4 years ago when we wanted to get our first 4WD and go further afield with our camping.  So that meant a 90 series prado/NM Pajero/ early GU Patrol etc.  I was close to getting a Prado, but found it was a bit cramped inside and the mileage was very high on the ones I was looking at.  We could only afford petrol engined ones too and I thought they were gutless to drive.  I love the look of the Patrol, but was scared off by the hand grenade thing.  I drove a couple and thought they were pretty much a truck too.  With the Pajero, we could afford a diesel and I really liked the way it drove and it's very roomy.  A big factor for us was getting a diesel, so we wouldn't be scared off driving it long distances and using it as a runabout. 

In a year or two we will look at upgrading and will want to spend <$40k I reckon on something < 5yrs old.  I don't want to spend $60k+ on a new vehicle at this point, unless I win lotto!  I'll give a NT Pajero a look and a 150 Series Prado.  To be honest I don't think I'd consider a 100 Series as they're just too old now comparatively speaking and a 200 Series would be massive overkill for us.  If Nissan puts a new engine in the Patrol, I'd think about it.  We're used to driving a 4WD now, so the Patrol mightn't seem so bad now.  At the other end of the spectrum, a Challenger/Everest/Fortuner type vehicle might be worth a look too. Should be able to get into one of them at a much lower price point.

But yeah, I'm not brand loyal.  I'd consider anything that fitted the bill for us.
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Re: Superiority Complex with 4WD's
« Reply #77 on: May 16, 2014, 10:12:44 AM »
Buy a SsangYong, enjoy the drive and I can assure you no snobbish crap will go through your head.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Superiority Complex with 4WD's
« Reply #78 on: May 16, 2014, 08:10:09 PM »
It's funny how most of the people that say the 200 series Cruiser is not capable off road  are the disgruntled 3l Patrol owners.

Went for a ride in my mates 3L Patrol on the weekend....... Dare I say very underwhelming at best. >:D

I have owned Patrols, Tritons, Hilux's and Landcruisers  over the years and I can tell you the 200 series cruiser is the best by a bloody big margin.

 :cheers:

Maybe in a woollies car park...try comparing it in the bush....bzzzzz...fail.....but a nice car none the less...did you also get your custom made oil tank to fit in the back....lol

Sorry just banter.


Really, they are a nice shopping trolley....oops i mean 4wd.....

Brand loyal....hmmm

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Re: Superiority Complex with 4WD's
« Reply #79 on: May 16, 2014, 08:28:14 PM »
Maybe in a woollies car park...try comparing it in the bush....bzzzzz...fail.....but a nice car none the less...did you also get your custom made oil tank to fit in the back....lol

Sorry just banter.


Really, they are a nice shopping trolley....oops i mean 4wd.....

Brand loyal....hmmm

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Re: Superiority Complex with 4WD's
« Reply #80 on: May 16, 2014, 08:44:39 PM »
If I wanted a superior 4wd I'd look at doing this.

http://www.arctictrucks.com/Frontpage/Brands/Toyota/Land-Cruiser-200



I think you put in the wrong link there
Try this:
http://www.arctictrucks.com/Pages/1375

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And have a read of the speil for each rig while your there


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Re: Superiority Complex with 4WD's
« Reply #81 on: May 16, 2014, 09:34:40 PM »
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Re: Superiority Complex with 4WD's
« Reply #82 on: May 16, 2014, 09:47:16 PM »

I think you put in the wrong link there
Try this:
http://www.arctictrucks.com/Pages/1375




That Patrol does look pretty sweet.

No way would the Pi$$y little 3litre turn those 44" tyres >:D


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Re: Superiority Complex with 4WD's
« Reply #83 on: May 16, 2014, 10:02:58 PM »
Do not really care what other people drive and am not a brand snob. Used to drive a couple of 100 series and am now driving a disco 3.
It all comes down to individual preference and intended use.
did I mention  that the disco is a fantastic 4x4 ?  ;D

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Re: Superiority Complex with 4WD's
« Reply #84 on: May 17, 2014, 02:57:38 PM »
i got a 99 lux worktruck, 98 prado (both of these have the 3rzfe 4 banger) great reliable trucks, had them since new

got a few zooks, great fun

lastly and more recently i have the 200......well it just beats all those hands down, unless you go rock crawling these are pretty awesome! i am amazed at what it can do with a drop in pressures.....we have been to some pretty out of the way places, yet with an airup we are back on the blacktop and cruising in comfort

have not driven a better truck in the sand.....oodles of lazy torque low down make it effortless

i am not a toyota snob tho.....gettin a new dmax to replace the lux shortly becuase toyota are ignoring the 4wd single cab market in favour of dual cabs....infact unless we get another 200 i cant see myself ever buying another yota

my pick for pure offroad would be a 4.2 GU ute, these are the ultimate IMO

we nearly bought a pajero instead of the 200 due to the $30k difference, but in the end stretched it and got the 200, 4 years later and i am glad i did.....that 30k is long forgotten!

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Re: Superiority Complex with 4WD's
« Reply #85 on: May 17, 2014, 03:25:39 PM »
The phenomenon has a name... confirmation bias http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
and it's not just 4WD's.. it's everything.

anyone who just paid top dollar for their new 4WD/car/TV/BBQ/etc isn't going to want to hear someone telling them it's a dud.
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Re: Superiority Complex with 4WD's
« Reply #86 on: May 17, 2014, 05:49:42 PM »
598 members WHO completed the survey have a Toyota. I am into numbers.



598 actually represents 4% of the members have a Toyota   ;D

4% of 15000 members equals 600

I am not a numbers man because you can read into statistics what ever you want them to do .   :cheers:
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Re: Superiority Complex with 4WD's
« Reply #87 on: May 17, 2014, 06:07:05 PM »
I am into numbers.
Oh yea! So am I Terry. Anything that makes me numb is GOOD :cheers:
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Re: Superiority Complex with 4WD's
« Reply #88 on: May 17, 2014, 06:07:50 PM »
Thoroughly enjoyed this video. And although an old fart the music and editing was great.

looks like a fairly hard track to me...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyxXet4DH90

makes for good viewing, whatever vehicle you have... :)
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Re: Superiority Complex with 4WD's
« Reply #89 on: May 17, 2014, 06:10:05 PM »
Thoroughly enjoyed this video. And although an old fart the music and editing was great.

looks like a fairly hard track to me...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyxXet4DH90

makes for good viewing, whatever vehicle you have... :)
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Re: Superiority Complex with 4WD's
« Reply #90 on: May 17, 2014, 06:28:41 PM »
I must be a brand snob, only owned 2 4wd's over the years and they've both been Toyotas. Started out with a 2.8 diesel dual cab ute and now have a 105 series Cruiser. Haven't found the need to keep changing vehicles over the years, as what I've owned has done what I've needed it to do.  8)
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Re: Superiority Complex with 4WD's
« Reply #91 on: May 17, 2014, 07:43:55 PM »
After driving a series of green oval offerings in the early 80's, went to Mitsubishi's of late. With the current Pajero coming out of lease in 6 months, now looking at getting another green oval machine.
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Re: Superiority Complex with 4WD's
« Reply #92 on: May 17, 2014, 08:18:10 PM »

What part of a Defender is more expensive to repair or maintain than any other particular brand?

No reply I see?? Cannot be that expensive to repair eh


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Re: Superiority Complex with 4WD's
« Reply #93 on: May 17, 2014, 08:54:56 PM »

Name 1 4WD that out of the box is capable constantly driving of hard tracks???
In my view there aren't any....

And the mods aren't required to "get it upto scratch" (which standard 4by is "upto scratch") they just make a good thing even better

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FACTORY front and rear lockers
FACTORY front and rear Dana 44 diffs
FACTORY electric swaybar disconnects
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FACTORY 32" tyres
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FACTORY 2" lift as an option
MOPAR front and rear bars and rock sliders all offered as FACTORY OPTIONS

I'd say it was "up to scratch" and "out of the box capableof constantly driving hard tracks" wouldn't you?

And all backed by FACTORY warranty
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Re: Superiority Complex with 4WD's
« Reply #94 on: May 17, 2014, 08:58:32 PM »
But it's still a jeep ;D

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Re: Superiority Complex with 4WD's
« Reply #95 on: May 17, 2014, 09:00:52 PM »
Wouldn't expect a playdo owner to understand  >:D
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Re: Superiority Complex with 4WD's
« Reply #96 on: May 17, 2014, 09:06:22 PM »
Jeep Rubicon
FACTORY front and rear lockers
FACTORY front and rear Dana 44 diffs
FACTORY electric swaybar disconnects
FACTORY 5 link live axle coil suspension front and rear
FACTORY 32" tyres
EPIC approach, departure, ramp over angles from the FACTORY
FACTORY 2" lift as an option
MOPAR front and rear bars and rock sliders all offered as FACTORY OPTIONS

I'd say it was "up to scratch" and "out of the box capableof constantly driving hard tracks" wouldn't you?

And all backed by FACTORY warranty

ALSO forgot to ad, ALL for under 50 grand drive away
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Re: Superiority Complex with 4WD's
« Reply #97 on: May 17, 2014, 09:14:20 PM »
Tow truck as option

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Re: Superiority Complex with 4WD's
« Reply #98 on: May 17, 2014, 09:17:38 PM »
Jeep Rubicon
FACTORY front and rear lockers
FACTORY front and rear Dana 44 diffs
FACTORY electric swaybar disconnects
FACTORY 5 link live axle coil suspension front and rear
FACTORY 32" tyres
EPIC approach, departure, ramp over angles from the FACTORY
FACTORY 2" lift as an option
MOPAR front and rear bars and rock sliders all offered as FACTORY OPTIONS

I'd say it was "up to scratch" and "out of the box capableof constantly driving hard tracks" wouldn't you?

And all backed by FACTORY warranty


You make for a convincing argument, but there are some thoughts that while they are factory optioned to be a very capable veh, the strength in there componentry is left to be desired...??

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Re: Superiority Complex with 4WD's
« Reply #99 on: May 17, 2014, 09:27:50 PM »
We were so so close to ordering one but there simply wasn't enough room in the rear, my fridge wouldn't even fit, so we went with the defender instead. But would have a rubicon in a heart beat if we weren't using it for touring. Will be upgrading the wife's car in the next  12 months,  and a rubicon is high on the list, or a defender 90  ;D
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