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Superiority Complex with 4WD's
« on: May 15, 2014, 10:20:34 AM »
Lately I have been putting a lot of thought into different 4WD's and actually taking the time to look at different brands and styles, which I admit in the past is not something I would even consider. So I had to ask myself why is it that I would never consider anything other than the 4WD I have??

Of course I came to the conclusion that I have the best 4WD known to man so how could I possibly lower myself to own anything else!! (this is of course said with tongue firmly planted in cheek.....but there must be something in it....keep reading)

But the truth is that I genuinely have always just fobbed off any other 4wd as inferior. Of course I have the utmost respect for a live axle Cruiser or a 200 series but they are Toyotas and I am a Nissan man so they don't get a look in, in my eyes. (not entirely true, I would have bought a good 100 series at the time I was looking for the Patrol if one came up, but it didn't so Im a Patrol man LOL)

So I ask others, do you suffer from some sort of superiority complex? Do you think you own the best 4wd and everything else is just rubbish? Do you live in a world that unless you own a Patrol or a live axle Landcruiser your obviously not quite there yet??

Im guessing most people will deny this but Im sure we all see it all the time??

I know your thinking why is he suddenly going from a self perceived superior 4WD owner to someone with feelings.......he is getting soft.......yes and I am considering other 4WD's on the market besides a Patrol ;D

I mean in the past I would just dismiss anything unless it was one of the big two.

Navara...pffft chassis breaking hand grenades
Pajero......hahahahhahahha mitsubishi only ever make rubbish
Prado......as if, they are a toyota for a start and if the big brother breaks off road the little sister must be weaker
Triton.....yep chassis breaking and see above
Isuzu....hahahhaha you have to be kidding as if they could make a 4wd
Ranger.....wow have you read the internet forums and seen the problems they are having

And the list goes on. Yet I have never seen any of the above criticisms in real life....it was just a perception on what I read on the internet.....and we all know the internet is always right!!

But heres the thing, I had never actually taken the time to even look at any of these vehicles, let alone drive them and actually roll around under them or research just how good they all may well be.

I was a 4WD snob. I had preconceived perception of each of those vehicles based purely on internet dribble and a snobbery that stopped me from ever truly looking at them.

Recently I started researching, test driving and looking at other brands and I am shocked at just how wrong I was.

I was reading a thread on here about another brand I found it amusing some of the criticism the vehicle was getting, because ALL the criticism was the the exact opposite of what I found in reality but I could relate to what the people were saying because they were saying the exact perception I had prior to actually taking the time to research and drive the vehicles in question.

What am I getting at here? Well all those people that own a 4wd that is NOT one of the big two good on you for not following the crowd and I for one now look at you as a 4wd'er along side me as an equal and not just another person in an inferior vehicle LOL  ;D ;D

I know we all own a 4wd for different reasons. One bloke might go rock crawling and bounce around rutted tracks every weekend, while another may never go off road and just uses it for towing etc so of course that is a big factor in the 4wd we all own but its not an excuse for superiority complex ;)

What do you all reckon?? Have you witnessed what Im talking about?? Are you a snob? Do you want me to council you? LOL
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Re: Superiority Complex with 4WD's
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2014, 10:29:52 AM »
I must be in a minority i am completly Non Brand Loyal i do a lot of reasearch then whoever has the features and the price gets my coin
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Re: Superiority Complex with 4WD's
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2014, 10:30:37 AM »
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Re: Superiority Complex with 4WD's
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2014, 10:34:25 AM »



LOL is that the best pic you could come up with!
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Re: Superiority Complex with 4WD's
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2014, 10:34:57 AM »
i get 'why didn't you buy a ranger??' when i tell them i got a new BT50...

for me, $10000 difference between the same specc'ed vehicles, and they are mechanically the same...

i researched my #ss off and the BT50 was the best vehicle for my needs, including the price.

i am not a brand loyalist, by any means (i also own a honda CRV).

i'll get what works for me and fits in my budget...

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Re: Superiority Complex with 4WD's
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2014, 10:47:02 AM »
LOL is that the best pic you could come up with!
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Re: Superiority Complex with 4WD's
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2014, 10:50:46 AM »
I must admit that I am brand loyal, but at one stage I was going to buy a twin cab four wheel drive and I did do my research, test driving different brands and even though I am a hard and fast Nissan man, my choice of vehicle at that time would have been a Holden Rodeo.

Due to a divorce summons I had to cancel the purchase.

I stick to my Nissan GQ for several reasons, but mainly because if it breaks down  EG: ( water in the cylinders ) I can in a couple of hours have it back up and running, no computer to worry about in creek crossings, no electronic traction control or electric four wheel drive mode  that can give me grief and I can service/repair the bloody thing in my shed without having to have a degree in electronics.

You can get this style of vehicle in the Toyota range , but with my height I find the Toyota very uncomfortable to sit in and drive.

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« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2014, 10:52:47 AM »
2 years ago I looked for my new 4WD and it came down to a Pajero, a GU and the WK2.  I'm not a big Toyrota fan, but know they're a quality product. The Amarok, Dmax, Colarado and Ranger etc, just didn't seem to have the room I was looking for, nor a big enough donk.
The Mitsubishi Dealership pissed me off, otherwise I would have probably bought it.  That eliminated one.

Then it came down to the GU & the WK2.  I didn't mind the GU and even swmbo liked it, but I researched on line and basically came to the conclusion that if it wasn't a TD4.2 it wasn't gutsy enough.  The rest is history.

So in effect, I had to choose between a hand grenade and a fire bomb.  The fire bomb had a gutsier donk plus I like to go against the trend.

Definitely wasn't brand loyal persay, just wanted the best option for my touring needs.

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Re: Superiority Complex with 4WD's
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2014, 10:58:20 AM »
I was going to reply to this thread but then i noticed you are from Tasmania and you know what they say about Tasmanians ;D ;D ;D

But just in case you were not born there I will say you make a valid point - I think most times people will put down whatever they do not own as a way of justifying to the world that they made a good decision.

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Re: Superiority Complex with 4WD's
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2014, 11:01:05 AM »
I was going to reply to this thread but then i noticed you are from Tasmania and you know what they say about Tasmanians ;D ;D ;D

But just in case you were not born there I will say you make a valid point - I think most times people will put down whatever they do not own as a way of justifying to the world that they made a good decision.

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Re: Superiority Complex with 4WD's
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2014, 11:14:24 AM »
Great post DannyG, I guess myself I am brand loyal also, but not blinded by it like others ;D ;D ;D.

In a sense it comes down to research, meaning is thing reliable, but also what fits your needs, and then budget.

I own a patrol and luv the thing, ive owned Toyota's and luved them also, with my yota's it was hilux's, and they kept breaking on me, CV's mainly, with my patrol I haven't broken it....yet.. ;D ;D, but it needs more get it up and go for sure :-[ :-[, is it better then my yota...without doubt....so is it the best 4wd, for me yes, so yes im loyal.

I don't get into the "us and them" stuff, unless its on going dribble, then I will add my 2 cents, I accept every won and every veh for who they are, I like my patrol, but that doesn't mean everybody has to have one, TBH if I was in the market for another 4wd anytime soon I would grab a BT50 with out thinking twice, plenty of power, big enough for a family, and capable, particularly for the touring I do.

So Danny I don't need counselling mate, as us Patrol operators stick together ;) ;) ;).

Again great post.

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Re: Superiority Complex with 4WD's
« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2014, 11:19:18 AM »
I am a snob to a certain degree as I only want to replace my Land Rover Defender with another Land Rover Defender. I'm not a complete snob though as I don't give a damn what anyone around me drives (maybe that's just a girl thing though ;)).

Our merry band of Misadventurers all own different vehicles from Cruisers to a Triton, a Challenger and several Land Rover Discoveries and Defenders. Plus Prados, an FJ Cruiser, a Patrol and even a GMC tackling the fun stuff with us.

Just because I don't want anything other then a Defender doesn't mean I don't appreciate the capabilities of other vehicles. The Triton is probably the most capable and consistent of the lot, and the 80 and 200 series Cruisers are also pretty amazing, but I just can't see myself in any of them. I know it's petty, but part of it is a 'looks' thing. The Defender 'looks' sexy (to me anyway ;D)

Hubby on the other hand isn't a snob at all because he is actually considering looking for something completely different  :o :o :o 
I've got some serious persuading to do >:D

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Re: Superiority Complex with 4WD's
« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2014, 11:26:59 AM »

BTW.....what are you buying...??


I already own the greatest 4WD known to man mate there is nothing else on the market that comes close so Im not buying anything....................whoops.........LOL Considering all options at this stage Swanny ;)
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Re: Superiority Complex with 4WD's
« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2014, 11:28:37 AM »
up to post 13 and the green oval still hasn't had a mention....  ;D Defenders with their far superior British engineering and factory fitted "character" and "personality" (read: rattles, odd noises, panel misalignment) are the black sheep of the brotherhood, all to soon dismissed by the NISSYOTA brigade.

Only fellow owners of these fine pommy machines will truly appreciate them for what they are  :cup:

*edit gclan beat me to it  ;D
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Re: Superiority Complex with 4WD's
« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2014, 11:30:20 AM »
I've owned and wheeled an NL Pajero petrol auto, GQ shorty petrol manual, Prado 120 diesel auto. I prefer the right tool for the job :)
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Re: Superiority Complex with 4WD's
« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2014, 11:35:53 AM »
I dont care what it is as long as its built properly and does its job.  What I never get is how defensive people get if their particular vehicle is criticised for legitimate reasons.  Very strange....


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Re: Superiority Complex with 4WD's
« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2014, 11:43:42 AM »
What I never get is how defensive people get if their particular vehicle is criticised for legitimate reasons.  Very strange....


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I understand it. If a 3ltr patrol owner gets criticised yet his engine has done 300 000 plus kays I understand why they would get defensive yet the person doing the criticism probably thinks its a legitimate reason. ;)

Like wise I may say that Toyotas always break CV's as a generalisation and this may cause a lot of Toyota drivers to be defensive, especially the ones that go wheeling every other weekend and have never broken a CV but I may think its a legitimate criticism because i keep witnessing Toyotas breaking CV's.

Its probably human nature for people to be somewhat defensive over any criticism regardless how legitimate it may be??
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Re: Superiority Complex with 4WD's
« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2014, 11:45:02 AM »
Two years ago a mate was looking at replacing his 4.2 TD Patrol & I asked him "With what?". After a long investigation he's still got it because it's by far a better vehicle than what he could afford! All he looked at in his price range needed a lot more money thrown at them to make them a fair dinkum "off roader". I'm no Nissan fan by any means after enduring a government G60 for several months in the early '70's. I have probably driven most makes, except for a Jeep so can't comment there, & the G60 is the worst vehicle I've ever driven off road!
I'm no snob as I drive a '97 Disco 1 & apparently Landies are the worst 4bee around. Just ask all the owners of other makes who have never driven one, they'll tell you ;D
I also drive a '93 'Cruiser 4.2 Diesel ute with after market turbo & 3" pipe so I'm not loyal/loyal to any brand, I guess it's horses for courses & there will always be problems with any make somewhere along the line. My nephew bought a new Colorado 2-3 years ago & got rid of it after 18 months or so as, in his words "I've done more miles in the courtesy car than my own!" & yet you read glowing reports about them. I have my particular vehicles because they suit what the good lady & I enjoy. The Disco for off roading & touring (much more comfortable & capable on both counts than the 'Cruiser. Gotta love coils) & the 'Cruiser for beach & the property. We go camping regularly with friends & rellies which means there's a swag of different makes so there's a bit of banter but nothing serious.
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Re: Superiority Complex with 4WD's
« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2014, 11:52:15 AM »
I just ask the experts.
Transmission shop yard: full of Land Rovers
Patrol cargo area: full of well-worked tools
Every mechanic I've ever met said that if everyone owned Toyota/Lexus, they would be out of business.
Opinions can be handy...but these guys see and work on more cars than all of us put together. They understand the pointy end of dependability.
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« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2014, 11:52:42 AM »
I am not brand loyal, when looking to replace the 80 series I looked at (and even sat in) a GU Patrol. After this I found everything was OK after I burned the clothes, and washed myself in acid a few times :D

For the first time in a long time we bought a car that was not a Toyota. We bought a second hand Laser because the Corollas were way over priced.

I honestly can say that I prefer a Toyota, probably because my family has mainly had Toyotas since Mum bought a '78 Celica. There is no actual reason except every Toyota I have had has been a great car that caused very little trouble. Having said that the other brands I have owned (Mazda/Ford/Hyundai) haven't exactely been terrible, well the Mazda wasn't actually that great but it was old when we got it.

Would I look at getting a different 4wd, perhaps but I would probably look around and come back to a Cruiser. Is there any logical reason for my decision, absolutely not.

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« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2014, 12:01:32 PM »
I just ask the experts.
Transmission shop yard: full of Land Rovers
Patrol cargo area: full of well-worked tools
Every mechanic I've ever met said that if everyone owned Toyota/Lexus, they would be out of business.
Opinions can be handy...but these guys see and work on more cars than all of us put together. They understand the pointy end of dependability.
All cars can break. If you aren't a mechanic yourself, though, dependability is worth the extra money every time.

lucky I'm a diesel fitter and my Defender is manual. So I can stop and help all the fingered Toyotas I come across at work. >:D
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« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2014, 12:01:48 PM »
I just ask the experts.
Transmission shop yard: full of Land Rovers
Patrol cargo area: full of well-worked tools
Every mechanic I've ever met said that if everyone owned Toyota/Lexus, they would be out of business.
Opinions can be handy...but these guys see and work on more cars than all of us put together. They understand the pointy end of dependability.
All cars can break. If you aren't a mechanic yourself, though, dependability is worth the extra money every time.


I have spoken to several wrecking yards and the funny thing is they all say that everyone owned a Nissan Patrol they would go broke.
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Re: Superiority Complex with 4WD's
« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2014, 12:06:00 PM »

I have spoken to several wrecking yards and the funny thing is they all say that everyone owned a Nissan Patrol they would go broke.

Duggie, Carlisle obviously needs counseling ;D
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« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2014, 12:07:47 PM »
I already own the greatest 4WD known to man mate there is nothing else on the market that comes close so Im not buying anything....................whoops.........LOL Considering all options at this stage Swanny ;)

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« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2014, 12:12:17 PM »



Its probably human nature for people to be somewhat defensive over any criticism regardless how legitimate it may be??

Good point. Probably just human nature.


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