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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: fuji on May 24, 2012, 11:14:15 AM
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What type of drill is out there for reliability and portability? Dont mind paying good dollars for something decent. What size is out there? 12, 18 , 24? Which size is better. It is only for home use. Thanks all.
Wayne :police:
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I recently bought a 18V Lithium Bosch cordless drill and it’s fantastic. I originally went to my a Makita, but the same spec Bosch was cheaper. Heaps of power and the lithium battery gives 100% right up to it goes flat.
Very happy with my purchase and should have upgraded years ago.
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http://www.klika.com.au/trade/cordless-tools/makita.html (http://www.klika.com.au/trade/cordless-tools/makita.html)
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i bought a Makita 12v lithium cordless about 3 years ago.............best tool i have ever owned and goes with me everywhere
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I bought this
Milwaukee M18 combo kit
Voltage: 18V Li-Ion
Number of Tools in Kit: 2
Milwaukee M18 combo Includes:
Hammer Drill (2611)
Impact Driver (2650)
(2) XC Li-Ion Batteries (48-11-1828)
(1) 18V Charger (48-59-1801)
Side Handle
Carrying Case
Milwaukee M18 Features:
Milwaukee M18 Lithium-Ion 18V technology
High performance hammer drill with 650 in.-lbs. of torque and 0-28,000 BPM
1/4" Hex Quick Change bit retension on impact driver
Variable speed trigger on hammer drill and impact driver
Built-in LED work light on hammer drill and impact driver
5-year manufacturer warranty on tools
2 year/2000 charge manufacturer warranty on batteries
(http://www.vektools.com.au/store/images//hd18pp2.jpg)
Got sick of cheap crap and decided to lash out, these are bloody brilliant.
Baz.
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18Volt lithium any brand, just dont flatten the battery completely, charge immediately after use and it will be fine.
Cheapies are OK for home use, go the bigger brand if you intend to use it for pro use.
The batteries always die before the drill does anyway!
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18 Volt lithium any brand, just dont flatten the battery completely, charge immediately after use and it will be fine.
Cheapies are OK for home use, go the bigger brand if you intend to use it for pro use.
that said I have an elcrapo $19, 14v, drill for home use, but I keep the battery in the charger when not in use
it's about 8 yrs old, but I would not recomend this if you need a drill for big jobs
Mine is just for doing the remote work that the power cord won't reach, it only lasts 10 mins b4 needing a recharge :-[
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I have the Milwaukee M18 Hammer Drill as well. As already said, I got sick of cheap stuff a couple of years ago.
Great drill and will do some damage to your wrists before clapping out.
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I've recently discovered the Renegade (http://www.tradetools.com/products/RISUPREME) brand from Trade Tools Direct - 10.8v Li-ion and a huge range of tools using the same battery. I first came across them when the carpenter doing our reno had the multi-tool - I thought it was great and bought myself one in a set that included a circular saw. I've since bought the jigsaw and drill , the fluro lamp and the led torch, and they are now my first choice of tools unless I need the added power of my mains powered ones. My Bosch 18v drill (with Nicad battery, hardly gets a look-in nowadays due to the fact that it always needs recharging before I can use it.
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I've recently discovered the Renegade (http://www.tradetools.com/products/RISUPREME) brand from Trade Tools Direct - 10.8v Li-ion and a huge range of tools using the same battery. I first came across them when the carpenter doing our reno had the multi-tool - I thought it was great and bought myself one in a set that included a circular saw. I've since bought the jigsaw and drill , the fluro lamp and the led torch, and they are now my first choice of tools unless I need the added power of my mains powered ones. My Bosch 18v drill (with Nicad battery, hardly gets a look-in nowadays due to the fact that it always needs recharging before I can use it.
I have a great Hitachi but as you and others say the battery is never charged when you want to use the thing. Thanks all. That gives me some good ideas. MASTERS is opening next week in my neighbourhood so look out Bunnings!
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I am a carpenter and have used and owned most brands, I have makita at the moment and they are good. If it was for home use I would look at the ryobi range at bunnings, buy a drill pack with the batteries and charger and then you can add extra tools as you need them, a few tradies are using them as well and they are doing OK
GG
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I have been impressed with my Dewalt 18v lith... plus came with 2 batteries, charger and a send away offer of a 3rd large battery for free. Heaps of torque to put in long roofing screws etc
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MASTERS is opening next week in my neighbourhood so look out Bunnings!
Do tell where...
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...............If it was for home use I would look at the ryobi range at bunnings, buy a drill pack with the batteries and charger and then you can add extra tools as you need them...............GG
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I've had Ryobi gear for many years. I bought them 'cos Ryobi did the "system" thing that many other brands now do.
Mine are for home use only, but they've had a flogging. Got lots of different tools, and they all do the job.
The only things that have gone are the batteries (old Ni-Cads), but they've stayed with the same connection, so no issue.
I've got all Li-ion batteries now. Very happy with Ryobi.......... ;D
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Do tell where...
Not sure where donuts hails from, but there is one being built opposite Bunnings on Ferntree Gully Road in Scoresby.....
And as for the drill, my Ryobi has served me well for years around the house, with a Dynadrill from Ramset for the tougher jobs.
Cheers
Matt
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I'm going to do a mod to a couple of 12 V drills that have dead batt packs...
Whack an anderson plug on them and use them when camping....main use will be to wind down stabilisers on the van
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Have had a DeWalt 18V system with 5 other DeWalt tools for many years and they have never let me down. A brand I will always trust- must be good for others to copy.
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I'm a tradie and I use Makita for light duty stuff and Milwaukee for the serious stuff, but for a homeowner I can't recommend Bosch enough.
Enough grunt to do most things, good product, but not overpriced.
Brian
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we use hitachi 18v li ion with the 3 ah batts. have 2 drill/drivers, 1 impact drill and 1 hammer drill. we work them all reasonably hard and after 3 and a bit years they are still kicking goals. would defo get the bigger batteries tho.
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I also have hitachi 18v li ion with 3ah batteries, excellent tool, I've been very happy with it
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I also have hitachi 18v li ion with 3ah batteries, excellent tool, I've been very happy with it
Me too, love al my Hitachi tools
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De Walt for mine, AEG as a second choice.
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I'm going to do a mod to a couple of 12 V drills that have dead batt packs...
Whack an anderson plug on them and use them when camping....main use will be to wind down stabilisers on the van
Thinking the same thing. Have a 12V Dewalt which is brilliant, older style full metal chuck 12 years old now but batteries hard to get and only NiCd.
Have used most of the brands from time to time, really only absolute cheapest ones like Ozito that I would steer clear of. Milwaukee, Dewalt, Hitachi and AEG probably the best but Bosch tools are great value for money for home use.
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I bought a ryobi with lithium batteries for home use. It's been great. I've built a hard wood deck, renovated a bathroom plus all the other stuff. Not sure how it'd stand up to trade use, but has been fit for reno use. I also have jigsaw, circular saw and angle grinder. No complaints and a lot cheaper than others.
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I'm going to do a mod to a couple of 12 V drills that have dead batt packs...
Whack an anderson plug on them and use them when camping....main use will be to wind down stabilisers on the van
Great idea mate.I have one in the shed and might try and do same thing :cup:
:cheers:
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I'am a tool nut.
If you ask Morag she will say I own every power tool known to exist. But she does tend to exagerate sometimes ;D
I have heaps of 18v cordless drills and use most of them on all my projects.
I hate having to change drill bits, screwdriver tips etc so I load each drill with a different tip that I may need and keep it handy.
Also this way I do not have to worry about using up any one battery in the middle of a job. ( That seriously aggravates me because it seems to take forever to get back and finish the job after the batteries are charged)
I will list them in order of preferance.
Ryobi
Bosch
Super Cheap (Rockwell Series)
AEG
Ozito
GMC
Because I only use them for home projects I dont see the need to purchase the more expensive brands.
Bill and Morag
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I bought this
Milwaukee M18 combo kit
Voltage: 18V Li-Ion
Number of Tools in Kit: 2
Milwaukee M18 combo Includes:
Hammer Drill (2611)
Impact Driver (2650)
(2) XC Li-Ion Batteries (48-11-1828)
(1) 18V Charger (48-59-1801)
Side Handle
Carrying Case
Milwaukee M18 Features:
Milwaukee M18 Lithium-Ion 18V technology
High performance hammer drill with 650 in.-lbs. of torque and 0-28,000 BPM
1/4" Hex Quick Change bit retension on impact driver
Variable speed trigger on hammer drill and impact driver
Built-in LED work light on hammer drill and impact driver
5-year manufacturer warranty on tools
2 year/2000 charge manufacturer warranty on batteries
(http://www.vektools.com.au/store/images//hd18pp2.jpg)
Got sick of cheap crap and decided to lash out, these are bloody brilliant.
Baz.
I was given one of the 18V Milwaukee units last year, ...... and after owning a string of Ryobi and Bosch cordless that after a few months or so wouldn't hold a charge longer than 1/2 an hour, this unit is fantastic. As strong as a 240 volt unit and goes all day.
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I'am a tool nut.
I hate having to change drill bits, screwdriver tips etc so I load each drill with a different tip that I may need and keep it handy.
Makita sell a kit containing screwdriver and drill bits all with hexagon ends with locking grooves in them, together with a locking holder to go in the drill chuck. Makes changing bits a breeze. Can't find a picture on the net but Bunnings sell them at about $30 a set
I will list them in order of preferance.
Ryobi
Bosch
Super Cheap (Rockwell Series)
AEG
Ozito
GMC
Because I only use them for home projects I dont see the need to purchase the more expensive brands.
Bill and Morag
Sorry to have to tell you Bill that GMC went bust years ago. I still have some GMC stuff, mainly tools that aren't used very often and therefore haven't broken down yet!
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Do tell where...
Chifley Drive near Bunnings
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I think Milwaukee wins, plus the colours are similar to a footy team I barrack for. All the more reason lol. ;D
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I think Milwaukee wins, plus the colours are similar to a footy team I barrack for. All the more reason lol. ;D
Going on your theory of picking tools donuts, I'd better get myself some dewalt gear ;D ;D ;D ;D
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As a chippy by trade I have plenty of tools.
I would recommend Makita cordless. I have a 18v makita li-ion drill. it is a great bit of kit. Over the years I have used many different brands, and while I like the power of both the dewalt and millwaukee drills I find them VERY heavy and unbalanced.
Cheers Chippy :D
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I purchased a Atlas Copco PES12-T (12V T-grip) in the first year of my apprenticeship (1996) and its still going strong.
I have purcahsed 1 battery and have let some smoke out of it several times over the years but it keeps on powering on.
I am pretty sure they don't sell them anymore and the equivilent used to be AEG.
I have used Makita, AEG, Milwaukee. All are very good but it depends on your preference.
Go and try them out at a reputable store and see which one you like the feel of.
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I think Milwaukee wins, plus the colours are similar to a footy team I barrack for. All the more reason lol. ;D
using this theory - and being more intersted in the WAFL rather than the AFL i'm glad i went with the Makita
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...If it was for home use I would look at the ryobi range at bunnings, buy a drill pack with the batteries and charger and then you can add extra tools as you need them...
x3.
I've got one of the new Ryobi 18v Li drills, and it's a magic bit of kit. I love that you can swap the batteries between tools if you buy into the system, and I love that the wall mounted charger keeps the second battery charged up. It's always ready to go, and has never struggled with anything yet.
That said, it's only new still, so will have to wait and see how it lasts. I swore off battery drills for the better part of 10 years, but am now converted to them again.
I'd suggest that these days, so long as you buy into a decent brand, you'll get a good piece of equipment. The biggest thing to me would be to look at what the battery system includes - no point investing heavily in Brand X's batteries and tools, only to the realise that you really need Tool Y, and that brand don't have it as part of their system.
Good luck!
Matto :)
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Bought a superseded Ozito 12V drill from Bunnings today. $15. Have already attached an Anderson plug to it and use without the battery for around the camper.
For home use I have a 18V LiO Bosch...its great.
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Makita sell a kit containing screwdriver and drill bits all with hexagon ends with locking grooves in them, together with a locking holder to go in the drill chuck. Makes changing bits a breeze. Can't find a picture on the net but Bunnings sell them at about $30 a set
Sorry to have to tell you Bill that GMC went bust years ago. I still have some GMC stuff, mainly tools that aren't used very often and therefore haven't broken down yet!
I have one of the Makita kits.
Well actually I have two of them.
But I must use the drills to justify thier existence.
I did know GMC went bust after they bought Triton tools and tried breaking into the US market.
Thank goodness Triton survived, I really like my Triton tools.
I still have a GMC router table and hand planer that are used very rarely so they should last forever.
Bill and Morag
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Popular science (march) has an article on the new Milwaukee M18 Fuel 2603-22ct. It uses anew type of motor with 30% increase in torque and 50% increase in battery life over the current model. Brushes have been replaced with small circuit boards. Big improvement on an already proven drill.
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Bought a superseded Ozito 12V drill from Bunnings today. $15. Have already attached an Anderson plug to it and use without the battery for around the camper.
For home use I have a 18V LiO Bosch...its great.
How does one attach a Anderson plug to a cordless drill? I wouldnt mind doing same to my now defunct Hitachi.
Wayne
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Going on your theory of picking tools donuts, I'd better get myself some dewalt gear ;D ;D ;D ;D
Typical of someone who lives in Boronia!! Naw only kidding, spent half my life in The Basin.
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How does one attach a Anderson plug to a cordless drill? I wouldnt mind doing same to my now defunct Hitachi.
Wayne
All I did Wayne was remove the battery, removed the screws from the battery case and threw out the useless NiCad batteries. Attached a 6mm twin cable to the battery connection points and drilled a suitable hole in the battery case to run the cable out and attached an Anderson to the other end of that.
I have a 10m 6mm twin lead with Andersons both ends that I use with the 12V rattle gun and also use with the drill. With a 19mm socket on it its great for winding down the camper stabilisers and the odd small drilling job.
I have Anderson plugs both front and rear on the car and also one on the camper so its a simple hookup to use.
I did a similar conversion on an 18V GMC drill I had that the battery died on but it did not work well on 12V.
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All I did Wayne was remove the battery, removed the screws from the battery case and threw out the useless NiCad batteries. Attached a 6mm twin cable to the battery connection points and drilled a suitable hole in the battery case to run the cable out and attached an Anderson to the other end of that.
I have a 10m 6mm twin lead with Andersons both ends that I use with the 12V rattle gun and also use with the drill. With a 19mm socket on it its great for winding down the camper stabilisers and the odd small drilling job.
I have Anderson plugs both front and rear on the car and also one on the camper so its a simple hookup to use.
I did a similar conversion on an 18V GMC drill I had that the battery died on but it did not work well on 12V.
Okay unfortunately I am hopeless at that sort of thing but when I geht my CT I will give it a go. Have you goy any pics? Cheers
Wayne
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Donuts bring the drill around to my place one day and we'll get it sorted.
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I have a Dewalt that is now 12 years old, first set of nicads lasted 10 years, I picked up another drill that came with 3 batteries when the first set died, so now I have one for each hand ;D
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Okay unfortunately I am hopeless at that sort of thing but when I geht my CT I will give it a go. Have you goy any pics? Cheers
Wayne
Don't have any at the moment as I am on the road for work as of today but will post some when I get back next week.
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Typical of someone who lives in Boronia!! Naw only kidding, spent half my life in The Basin.
;D Yep, proud Boronian and Tigers supporter!! My wife reckons that's grounds for calling me a bogan, but what would she know, she's a Pies fan ;D ;D
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Donuts........I replaced my old 12v DeWalt drill some time ago because after about 8 years the batteries were shot, but, the drill was still going strong ( which is why I bought another one ) so I cut the wide bottom off the handle where the battery would clip on and used some 12v female spade fittings to connect the wire for the Anderson Plug. A bit of solder on the connections and then filled the handle with Sikaflex to help hold it all tight and keep out the dirt/dust etc.
It works a treat..................now I'm on the hunt for an old 12v battery 4in grinder to the same mod to, hope that all makes sense ;D
P.S.................If you get the polarity wrong it will blow the switch in the trigger ( that bit of teck info I got from Guru Symon ;D ), I did that in my first attempt :-[
Cheers
jk
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Donuts bring the drill around to my place one day and we'll get it sorted.
Okay will do along with the new car and we'll replace all the wiring to 6 b&s, install a multi media system, reversing camera etc etc etc lol. Thanks mate.
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All I did Wayne was remove the battery, removed the screws from the battery case and threw out the useless NiCad batteries. Attached a 6mm twin cable to the battery connection points and drilled a suitable hole in the battery case to run the cable out and attached an Anderson to the other end of that.
I have a 10m 6mm twin lead with Andersons both ends that I use with the 12V rattle gun and also use with the drill. With a 19mm socket on it its great for winding down the camper stabilisers and the odd small drilling job.
I have Anderson plugs both front and rear on the car and also one on the camper so its a simple hookup to use.
I did a similar conversion on an 18V GMC drill I had that the battery died on but it did not work well on 12V.
KevinD4D, jk,brickiematt, crockett, D4D and others, thnks for all the info.
Wayne
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A few years ago when I upgraded from my old ni-cad Bosch and NiMH Panasonic I almost went Milwaukee, but the huge range of 'skins' (other cordless tools) Makita have sold me. As a commercial fitout chippy, IMO Makita is by far the best bang for your buck. Walk onto any building site and the cordless stuff for be 6-1 Makita.
It's even become standard kit in my camping stuff. Radio (with mp3), fluro, LED light, fan (yes a fan), dust buster and the charger runs off a 300w inverter or you can get a 12v car charger from the states.
Having said that the quality of the Milwaukess stuff, along with it's 5 year warranty is hard to look past. Although if your on a tight budget, others including my father inlaw seem to be quite happy with the Ryobi 18v stuff.
and for the Makita man with way too much spare money...
how about a cordless pushbike!
(http://justtools.com.au/productimage_6661.jpeg?width=600&height=600&nostretch)
http://justtools.com.au/prod6661.htm (http://justtools.com.au/prod6661.htm)
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Am I really the only person who uses Renegade tools? I think they are fantastic value for money.
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Hilti , but then again i keep my old work tools when i buy new ones (you do not get a lot for trade ins) the worst thing for cordless tools is the fact that they do not get used enough sometimes you are better off getting a 240v tool for the infrequent jobs . i have also noticed that a certain manufacturer of cordless gear ,from the land of the rising sun their chargers are cooking their lithium batteries cheers Graham
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Hilti , but then again i keep my old work tools when i buy new ones (you do not get a lot for trade ins) the worst thing for cordless tools is the fact that they do not get used enough sometimes you are better off getting a 240v tool for the infrequent jobs . i have also noticed that a certain manufacturer of cordless gear ,from the land of the rising sun their chargers are cooking their lithium batteries cheers Graham
C'mon Graham..........name names......... ;D
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Hi Wayne
I have a 28 volt Milwaukee, both drill and angle grinder (cordless), came with bag, charger and two batteries. Not cheap but well worth the buy.
Regards
Tjupurula
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Yes I have one ofthose somewhere, it belonged to dad and he has had it about 70 years. :laugh:
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Hi Wayne
I have a 28 volt Milwaukee, both drill and angle grinder (cordless), came with bag, charger and two batteries. Not cheap but well worth the buy.
Regards
Tjupurula
Yes I have decided that Milwaukee will be my final choice. :D
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Just bought a makita set as its there platinum special at the moment. 18v cordless hammer drill and impact driver with 3 3amp batteries for 499. 8)
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Looked at the Panasonics yesterday, hmmmm maybe them instead of Milwaukee.
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Looked at the Panasonics yesterday, hmmmm maybe them instead of Milwaukee.
A mate of mine has some Panasonic gear. Rates it very highly. Not the most common choice, but IMHO certainly a good option.
My brother has some Milwaukee gear, and loves it. Long story short, I don't think you can go wrong. So long as the system includes the tools you want, I don't think you can make a bad choice.
Good luck!
Matto :)
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A mate of mine has some Panasonic gear. Rates it very highly. Not the most common choice, but IMHO certainly a good option.
My brother has some Milwaukee gear, and loves it. Long story short, I don't think you can go wrong. So long as the system includes the tools you want, I don't think you can make a bad choice.
Good luck!
Matto :)
Yes I agree, it is a good chance to go to Masters again and have another look. >:D
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I can't belive there's not more Panasonic users. Before dewalt and Milwaukee got big here all the sparkies used panasonics. I bought a 15.6 v one in 98 and it's still going strong. I have had the batteries repacked ($80 ) about every 3-4 yrs. would buy another tomorrow if it died on the stregth of this one.
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I supervise 9 repair techs (Door industry) and over the last 10 years the best lasting tools are 1: DEWALT
2:Milwaukee ,3: MAKITA, personally I use DEWALT but mainly cause of a collection of different compatible tools..Cheers ...Michael.
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I can't belive there's not more Panasonic users. Before dewalt and Milwaukee got big here all the sparkies used panasonics. I bought a 15.6 v one in 98 and it's still going strong. I have had the batteries repacked ($80 ) about every 3-4 yrs. would buy another tomorrow if it died on the stregth of this one.
I had one of the 15.6v ones too. in 8 years it did 2 chucks, 3 triggers and 1 motor (motor under warranty), but the two original batteries lasted the entire time. Panasonic brain everyone else when it comes to battery and charger technology, even Festool get Panasonic (or at least used to) to supply the cells and chargers for their cordless drills.
The newer 14.4v Lithium Panasonics are still pretty popular with Joiners. Resonable power, light and well balanced, but the lack of other tools in the range is their downfall.
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Hilti are the best in the business but really only if you're making a living from cordless tools. Nicads, while heavy are the most forgiving and longest lived(economic) but you cannot leave them uncharged or they'll crystallise and die. You also have to run them right up and down. Hence pointless for the handyman as are NiMh batteries whose only benefit is no memory effect. That leaves lithiums and you get what you pay for. The trade needs fast charge and plateau performance - ie. drills the same and then dies within a couple of screws which means expensive battery technology. The handyman can overlook that for cheapness(long charge times and tapering performance) but I'd advise buying the maker's torch so you can use the batteries more regularly at home and monitor their charge occasionally as lithiums need to stay at least 40% charged. Don't whatever you do overheat lithiums (eg in the car in direct sun) or they're dead and always try to charge and keep them in the shade. Unlike Nickel based batteries they can be topped off as much as you like but remember ALL rechargeables self- discharge on the shelf so in a month or two they'll be flat and left like that they'll die on you.
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I said all rechargeables self-discharge but if you're into AA and AAA rechargeables then Eneloops are the go-
http://www.sanyo.com.au/gaia/eneloop (http://www.sanyo.com.au/gaia/eneloop)
but that functionality is not available in cordless tool batteries unfortunately for the handyman. Nevertheless Panasonic and Sanyo make the best batteries (and probably supply Hilti) so you should always ask for them in repacks. Handyman stuff is never worth repacking cf a new drill and batteries. Like mobile phones- So many working drills and so few good batteries.
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I had one of the 15.6v ones too. in 8 years it did 2 chucks, 3 triggers and 1 motor (motor under warranty), but the two original batteries lasted the entire time.
That's the difference with Hilti. The batteries last and so do the triggers, clutches, motors and chucks and you can hammer in nails with their plastic. Trust me, bite the bullet next time and buy the Hilti 14.4V drill and impact driver and you'll never go back to anything else. The lad's a sparky and also uses the soft start 36V TE7A rotary hammer with click on SDS and standard chuck (chizel, masonary drilling and click on the chuck with auger bit for timber stud drilling) Over 2 grands worth but with 2 yr commercial warranty and it's working all day long. You can't beat the clutches on Hiltis so forget 18v stuff for normal drilling and screwing and stick with their 14.4V workhorses.
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One important tip for the uninitiated and it will surprise you how many tradies don't know about it. When driving in screws ALWAYS use the appropriate clutch setting for screws and not the drill setting which is strictly for drilling and if the clutch is not up to it then it's a toy drill.
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When I bought a Festool Sander twelve months ago I was so impressed I said I would buy a Festool 18v.cordless when my metabo bit the dust. I now have a Festool 18V. with all the attachments and it is a joy to use.
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One important tip for the uninitiated and it will surprise you how many tradies don't know about it. When driving in screws ALWAYS use the appropriate clutch setting for screws and not the drill setting which is strictly for drilling and if the clutch is not up to it then it's a toy drill.
I cant do much but I even know that about the clutch setting ;D
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Just a tip if you've got an old 7.2V or 9.6V drill lying around with no batteries, they'll work fine on 12V if you want to wire them up to use them on your stabiliser legs, etc. Continual use at 12V would overheat them but casual use doesn't worry them at all as a mate discovered wiring up a few old Makitas for the hippy solar crowd.
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I have had a 14 volt Bosch cordless for a number of years but it is really starting to show its age. But the other day my family gave me a Makita 18 volt drill and impact driver kit for my birthday! ;D My god what a difference. Just to give it a run I drilled a half inch hole in a piece of ½ inch steel and it did it with ease. And never having owned a impact driver before, what a fantastic tool they are.
Plus Makita have a promotion at the moment where you can redeem, via their web site, another battery. That will give me three. Gotta love that. :cheers:
Kevin
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I'm going to do a mod to a couple of 12 V drills that have dead batt packs...
Whack an anderson plug on them and use them when camping....main use will be to wind down stabilisers on the van
Hi,
met a chap who had done that on a Mitsubishi truck, except he used to pick up garage sale drills for a few dollars as they either didn't have a battery or the battery was dead.
Apparently they don't have to be exactly 12V to do the job either.
cheers
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I recently purchased a Dewalt battery hammer/drill.
Dewalt were doing a trade in offer. They gave me $50 for every drill and $20 for every battery and $20 for a charger.
Shed clean out time - I traded in 2 drills / 2 chargers and 5 batteries.($240 credit)
Great deal - the original price of the Dewalt drill was $400 but only cost me $160 and I got a third free battery thrown in as well.
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Okay unfortunately I am hopeless at that sort of thing but when I geht my CT I will give it a go. Have you goy any pics? Cheers
Wayne
Hi Wayne
Here are a few pics of the conversion of the 12V battery drill to 12V with lead.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-7_6L2UOHTgQ/T8hawSBvAsI/AAAAAAAAAFI/fLJsGUQcnag/s1140/IMAG0252.jpg)
Battery removed from battery case
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-ouhgXNjQU8M/T8rDiJa8A1I/AAAAAAAAAF4/4a36Z-wZGL4/s640/IMAG0253+%28640x360%29.jpg)
Hole drilled in back of battery case and 6mm twin cable inserted and joined to existing power wires
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-HN5N4UZzNOU/T8rC5g-edfI/AAAAAAAAAFw/OFYI1R4cu74/s640/IMAG0258+%28640x360%29.jpg)
Cable gland added to stop cable being ripped out on battery case. Anderson plug on the other end. Job done and ready for action. 19mm socket fitted for winding down/up camper stabilisers.
I have a 10mtr 6mm twin cable with Andersons either end that is attached to the drill and can be plugged into either the car or camper power easily. Works well, no worrying about charging drill batteries while away and only cost a few dollars.
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Hi Wayne
Here are a few pics of the conversion of the 12V battery drill to 12V with lead.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-7_6L2UOHTgQ/T8hawSBvAsI/AAAAAAAAAFI/fLJsGUQcnag/s1140/IMAG0252.jpg)
Battery removed from battery case
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-ouhgXNjQU8M/T8rDiJa8A1I/AAAAAAAAAF4/4a36Z-wZGL4/s640/IMAG0253+%28640x360%29.jpg)
Hole drilled in back of battery case and 6mm twin cable inserted and joined to existing power wires
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-HN5N4UZzNOU/T8rC5g-edfI/AAAAAAAAAFw/OFYI1R4cu74/s640/IMAG0258+%28640x360%29.jpg)
Cable gland added to stop cable being ripped out on battery case. Anderson plug on the other end. Job done and ready for action. 19mm socket fitted for winding down/up camper stabilisers.
I have a 10mtr 6mm twin cable with Andersons either end that is attached to the drill and can be plugged into either the car or camper power easily. Works well, no worrying about charging drill batteries while away and only cost a few dollars.
Thanks, they hit the spot.