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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #1125 on: July 23, 2025, 03:32:56 PM »
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #1126 on: July 29, 2025, 10:10:55 AM »
Fire breaks out on ship carrying EVS
A major player in American shipping has issued a ban on electric vehicles following devastating fires at sea.

An American shipping company has banned electric vehicles from travelling on its vessels following a series of fires at sea.
The latest fire saw the Morning Midas car carrier burn at sea for three weeks with more than 3000 cars on board before capsizing and sinking to a depth of more than 16,000 feet near Alaska.
It follows similar incidents for car carriers such as the Fremantle Highway in 2023 and Felicity Ace in 2022.
All three ships were carrying a mix of electric, hybrid, and conventionally powered vehicles.

Matson, a company that specialises in shipping goods including vehicles between the US mainland, Hawaii, Guam and Alaska, surprised customers in July by declaring an EV ban.

https://www.news.com.au/technology/motoring/motoring-news/evs-banned-after-ship-fires/news-story/db395f3998f67769b59c50b130778d08
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #1127 on: July 29, 2025, 10:22:30 AM »
And how did the fire start?
No word about it, must have been nothing to do with EVs.
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #1128 on: July 29, 2025, 11:50:13 AM »
Quote from: WilSurf on July 29, 2025, 10:22:30 AM
And how did the fire start?
No word about it, must have been nothing to do with EVs.
Dream on >:D
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #1129 on: July 29, 2025, 01:11:38 PM »
They're still working on EV shortcomings with no guarantee they can fix them-
https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/forget-china-this-is-where-the-big-battery-breakthrough-is-coming-from-mercedes-benz

In any case being able to pour 800-1000kW of power into them safely in order to cut refuelling times is extremely costly in terms of user pays grid infrastructure to facilitate that. So best case scenario is retirees with off street charging owning one as an urban shopping trolley second car or the boss with tax deductible parking/charging at work taking advantage of the solar duck curve. Hybrid or PHEV for most to minimise the plant food taxes if the insurance underwriters aren't too usurious.
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #1130 on: July 29, 2025, 04:41:41 PM »
Quote from: RebsWA on July 29, 2025, 11:50:13 AM
Dream on >:D

The floating inferno is said to have been caused by the lithium-iron batteries in the 70 electric vehicles on board – batteries that are can cause fires that can burn for weeks.
https://www.news.com.au/technology/motoring/crew-abandons-ev-ship-inferno/news-story/ab951ca0748294bd972a15204041462a
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #1131 on: July 29, 2025, 06:01:31 PM »
Quote from: Bird on July 29, 2025, 04:41:41 PM
The floating inferno is said to have been caused by the lithium-iron batteries in the 70 electric vehicles on board – batteries that are can cause fires that can burn for weeks.
https://www.news.com.au/technology/motoring/crew-abandons-ev-ship-inferno/news-story/ab951ca0748294bd972a15204041462a
My comment should interpret as the EV's probably had a bit more than nothing to do with the fire.
Don't recall many car carriers burning and sinking before transporting EV $hit boxes.
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #1132 on: July 30, 2025, 08:50:34 AM »
Quote from: RebsWA on July 29, 2025, 06:01:31 PM
My comment should interpret as the EV's probably had a bit more than nothing to do with the fire.
Don't recall many car carriers burning and sinking before transporting EV $hit boxes.

Mainly because "Ship Catches Fire" doesn't make the news. "EV Ship Catches Fire", now there is a headline. No need to wait for the results of the investigation either.
https://gcaptain.com/a-brief-look-back-at-recent-car-carrier-fires/
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #1133 on: July 30, 2025, 10:12:32 AM »
Quote from: Hoyks on July 30, 2025, 08:50:34 AM
Mainly because "Ship Catches Fire" doesn't make the news. "EV Ship Catches Fire", now there is a headline. No need to wait for the results of the investigation either.
https://gcaptain.com/a-brief-look-back-at-recent-car-carrier-fires/

Exactly.

Great line in your article: "The fire’s cause remains under investigation by Panama Maritime Authority with Dutch assistance. Early EV-related theories were dismissed as EVs were stored in unaffected areas."

That link shows many fires on board vessels but never mentioned in the news. Only when allegedly EVs are onboard, it will come into the news.
How biased can people be.
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #1134 on: August 01, 2025, 12:48:35 PM »
Quote from: WilSurf on July 30, 2025, 10:12:32 AM
How biased can people be.
As equally biased as those in the other camp!
People form their own opinions on matters based on what they research, read, etc.
Too easy to dismiss an opinion as biased cos it does not align with yours.
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #1135 on: August 04, 2025, 10:21:39 AM »
We got both: an EV and a petrol guzzling V8.
And we love both, but they are for different purposes.
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #1136 on: August 04, 2025, 02:18:15 PM »
Quote from: WilSurf on August 04, 2025, 10:21:39 AM
We got both: an EV and a petrol guzzling V8.
And we love both, but they are for different purposes.
Thats nice.
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #1137 on: August 05, 2025, 05:44:09 AM »
Quote from: Bird on July 29, 2025, 04:41:41 PM
The floating inferno is said to have been caused by the lithium-iron batteries in the 70 electric vehicles on board – batteries that are can cause fires that can burn for weeks.
https://www.news.com.au/technology/motoring/crew-abandons-ev-ship-inferno/news-story/ab951ca0748294bd972a15204041462a

I bet they were actually lithium-ion batteries. Lithium-iron batteries are a lot less prone to thermal runaway.
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #1138 on: August 07, 2025, 11:20:05 AM »
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #1139 on: August 09, 2025, 11:00:19 AM »
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #1140 on: August 09, 2025, 10:58:08 PM »
Quote from: Hoyks on August 09, 2025, 11:00:19 AM
Hands up all those that have achieved the stated fuel consumption figures for any vehicle?
The test standards are to blame.

Myself when not driving my crusier I have as a daily driver, a 13 year old Mazda CX5 with a diesel motor which we have owned since new and that has travelled around 230000km. This car continues to average around 5.5th - 6.5 Litre/100km with most of the driving being at highway speed.
I think back in the day the fuel label was quoting around 5.?litre so pretty happy with that especially when I am getting a range of close to 700km between refills.
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #1141 on: August 11, 2025, 04:46:11 PM »
So it's final dawned on the Federal government that EV's don't pay a 'Road Tax'
Well dolht

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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #1142 on: August 11, 2025, 05:08:13 PM »
Quote from: Hoyks on August 09, 2025, 11:00:19 AM
Hands up all those that have achieved the stated fuel consumption figures for any vehicle?
The test standards are to blame.

My Toyota hybrid on most trips gets the claimed figures.
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #1143 on: August 12, 2025, 10:37:37 AM »
With CCP push and subsidies there's no doubt China is leading the world with EV technology and battery supply chains but for Australian consumers with no local carmaking and unconcerned about their dumping practices there's still a major concern with all the new brands-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/motoring/news/byd-s-plan-to-fix-its-biggest-flaw/ar-AA1KjKTB

Will my cheap shiny new Chinese spy car have the backup or even be around for the ownership experience and like China discovered with Evergrande and the RE bubble the bigger they are the harder they fall. Nevertheless we are an attractive free market for Commie carmakers to test out Western car market tastes preferences and demands.
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #1144 on: August 12, 2025, 10:51:23 AM »
Still loving our BYD.
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #1145 on: August 13, 2025, 08:30:17 AM »
Quote from: WilSurf on August 12, 2025, 10:51:23 AM
Still loving our BYD.

Our of curiousity, have you had to have any work done to it ???

Neighbour's daughter runs a ~2 year old MG, & it was recently off the road for ~3 months as it needed the water pump replaced! :'( >:( There were apparently absolutely no spares part available anywhere in Oz, & comment was also made that cars made last month will be slightly different to this month's build, & will change again next month as they make various tweaks! So just saying a 2023 MG Whatever won't necessarily find the right bit! ::)
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