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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #1075 on: August 08, 2024, 12:52:21 PM »
It's funny.
Everyone "knows" about EVs supposedly going up in flames, but no-one mentions the couple of Toyota Corolla GR burning down to the ground.
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #1076 on: August 08, 2024, 02:29:05 PM »
That would not suit the agenda of some people.
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #1077 on: August 08, 2024, 03:24:21 PM »
Not cars, but these batteries are a concern.....

‘Save lives’: $800k fines to be brought in for e-bikes and e-scooters in a regulation crackdown
New regulations are set to tackle the fastest growing cause of fires in one state as 54 related fires have been recorded this year, including two fatalities.

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/news/save-lives-800k-fines-to-be-brought-in-for-ebikes-and-escooters-in-a-regulation-crackdown/news-story/b80f8e1661d9ec924ec02c3f895eb0dd
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #1078 on: August 08, 2024, 05:46:32 PM »
I wonder who will be checking the quality of the e-bikes and e-scooters coming in from overseas. This is I think where the problem is coming from, not good quality products, just cheap rubbish we are buying.
At least it might by the right step in solving the problem.
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #1079 on: August 08, 2024, 07:50:37 PM »
I have driven a few different EVs and have not been a fan of the driving experience from an operation basis. Some are like you have hoped into a space ship. To date the MG has been my favourite drive experience.

This last week I have opportunity to drive the new Subaru Solterra which is the Subaru entry to the EV world developed in partnership with the Toyota BZ4X. I must say it is a nice car and it has the Japanese functionality which is what is missing from all the others I have driven. The AC controls, the steering wheel controls, the electric handbrake, the mirror and window controls are all very Toyota which I liked given I drive a Landcruiser 300s and we have a Subaru as a daily drive. You could hop in and drive it without being distracted by new technology. The car is surprisingly spacious.

To date I have covered around 700km and today  I tested the range of 450km to within 60 km so I had a little range anxiety towards the end of the trip. It is currently hooked up to a wall charger and on connecting the car it indicated the full recharge will take around 10 hours. I would be interested to see what the recharge would be if placed on a rapid charger.

I will go so far as saying except for the $70k price I could be tempted to own this EV as a daily drive in the knowledge that I would still have the cruiser to do the towing/touring duties. I will be exploring this car further.
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #1080 on: August 08, 2024, 09:04:00 PM »
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #1081 on: August 11, 2024, 11:00:22 PM »
EVs are a perfectly functional vehicle for commuting and as such can make very good sense for those with off-street parking and charging particularly with solar panels on their roof. If you really like performance a Tesla Model 3 or Y would be ideal although with all the Big Brother about using that power and keeping your licence seem at odds with each other. Each to their own but I'm not interested in an EV at present due to their ugly depreciation although I guess MG's offer of 10yr/200k warranty like Mitsi ICE can address that somewhat as I think all these computers on wheels will be less long lived than simpler ICE cars from the past.

The overarching problem I have is it's nonsense to believe these largely coal fired manufactures from China are in any way saving the planet and the fickle energy to run them is anything other than environmental delusion given the diluteness of wind and solar energy-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/not-climate-action-but-biodiversity-vandalism-environmentalist-calls-out-wind-farm-hypocrisy/ar-AA1oAKBZ
As such no Govt should be mandating or subsidising EVs in any way shape or form particularly as the slushfunding is largely middle class welfare.
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #1082 on: August 12, 2024, 10:50:51 PM »
Pop bang goes the high rise EV market-  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSJpLbOi6MI
and these are relatively new cars and not tired old bangers been through 3 or 4 owners hitting the P-plater market. How many Grenfell Towers disasters will it take for the brains trust to get out of denial with their fallacy of composition problem?
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #1083 on: August 21, 2024, 03:46:33 PM »
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #1084 on: August 21, 2024, 05:12:46 PM »
So it begins heading for a complete ban-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/fully-charged-seoul-won-t-let-you-park-your-ev-underground/ar-AA1p9Kpm
Mind you John Cardogan has some solutions in mind if the tower blocks and carparks are not to suffer unaffordable insurance premiums-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB5xEiVa8PU
but the ICE car neighbours won't be sticking their hands up to pay for that
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #1085 on: August 22, 2024, 12:12:57 PM »
Can be simply avoided if they buy one with a LiFePo battery (available in many models now) or a Sodium one (forthcoming). Literally zero fire hard for both.
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #1086 on: August 22, 2024, 08:41:00 PM »
Safer than Nickel Cobalt Manganese chemistries but they're still prone to thermal runaway with abuse and poor quality BMS as we see very commonly with e-bike fires-
https://www.ufinebattery.com/blog/lifepo4-thermal-runaway-causes-hazards-solutions/
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/auto/news/fake-info-busted-viral-video-shows-ev-battery-catching-fire-in-apartment-lift/articleshow/112038820.cms

The issue is the bigger batteries and the more of them packed closely together the bigger the risk whatever triggers any of them including an ICE car fire.
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #1087 on: August 22, 2024, 10:55:11 PM »
Here's the firefighters quintessential problem in a lithium AA battery-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/lithium-is-dangerous/vi-AA1peTC9

As Eveready warn the user-
Health and Product Warnings
Risk of fire. Battery can explode or leak and cause injury if installed backwards, disassembled, charged, crushed, mixed with used or other battery types, or exposed to fire or high temperature. Dispose of used batteries promptly.

Now they're fairly small but a Tesla Model 3 had 4400 x 21700 cells (21mm diam by 70 mm tall) all stuck together in a structural battery pack that needs to be dealt with safely once it's run out of oomph and done its job-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQcvZn7-_VE

What you have to learn tossing the coin of engineering on one side with economics on the flip side is there are no absolute solutions only tradeoffs and most climate changers haven't got a clue about that.
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #1088 on: August 27, 2024, 10:16:45 PM »
Hot off the press!
https://www.msn.com/en-ae/news/other/huge-fire-at-rivian-plant-destroys-dozens-of-evs/ar-AA1psvuj
Imagine what they'll be like by the time the P-Platers get hold of them and carparks are full of them? Won't happen as the insurance underwriters will call time on this.
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #1089 on: August 28, 2024, 07:06:38 PM »
Interesting decision of the Canadian government to hit Chinese built EV with a 100% Tarif along with other tariffs on other Chinese products
https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/details/canada-slaps-massive-tax-on-chinese-evs-147245/
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #1090 on: September 03, 2024, 08:27:01 PM »
Here we go with a return to covid era profiteering with car flipping-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/why-your-new-petrol-car-won-t-be-delivered-for-months/ar-AA1pTSqf
Smart money will regularly bung deposits down on popular in demand ICE cars in order to flip them for a tidy profit to more urgent buyers who can't afford to wait in Gummint induced queues. If the sales of EVs fails to meet increasingly tougher targets you know it's a one way bet so expect the same with the NVES starting in Oz in the new year.

It's like this numpties. You can control the PRICE or the QUANTITY but NEVER BOTH at the same time stoopids! Leftys always mean well  ::)
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #1091 on: September 14, 2024, 11:29:17 AM »
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #1092 on: October 18, 2024, 08:32:20 PM »
Only now the brains trust think about EV battery safety-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/motoring/news/the-u-s-plans-to-combat-ev-fires-with-groundbreaking-technology/ar-AA1ssofP
What about all those millions of aging incendiaries out there already we might ask? ::)
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #1093 on: October 19, 2024, 11:18:35 AM »
Oh dear it seems Fiona the Fireperson and Fred the Firepronoun didn't think they needed an alarm until they got an EV-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YkfWyj2TiA

In further scintillating eco-news it now appears the Great Transition to this marvellous state of net-zero fire stations that the erstwhile electricity actually backing up fickles charging battery cars should have been rolling with coal instead of stepping on the gas-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/markets/gas-industry-in-damage-control-as-landmark-study-finds-lng-worse-than-coal-for-the-climate/ar-AA1swpro

I don't make this stuff up (I couldn't if I tried) These people are experts with letters after their names  ;D
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #1094 on: November 04, 2024, 07:37:38 PM »
It was the most advanced fire detection and prevention system in the world before they took the website down  :cup:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJ9v81N8xPA
Just build another plant and ring up the insurance broker for new cover eh?
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