Police checking for Mods, Sth East QLD

[GBC]

I have read a couple articles today. It was an ambush.

Apparently, they changed the rules in QLD without informing the public. So every one running a 2 inch lift and up one tyre size  on their ESC equipt vehicles thinking they are legal (they were) are now ilegal without being informed.

The Gestapo changed the rules with out informing the public.

Pigs arse. LS9 and 10 mods mean your car has been tested, complied, and plated. The wankers with pipe lifts and extended shackles who had their cars impounded NEVER complied with anything and the fuzz didn’t need any change in any law to ‘ambush’ them. It doesn’t matter what state it came from either, those mods are illegal everywhere. Good riddance to them and their out of state backyard mod counterparts.
I’d be amazed if anybody being pulled over and stickered complied last week and doesn’t now. Amazed.

[doc evil]

This from a motoring journo mate Robert Pepper.....

Update on Operation Lift, the Qld 4WD mod crackdown

The TMR says that Operation Lift was a "three day operation on the Gold Coast" and that 60 vehicles were stopped. Which presumably means its over, for the time being.

They also say there was an "education and engagement" component .

Oddly, in October the TMR plans to change the modificatio laws, specifically:

LS9—High Lift – 50mm-125mm (Design)
LS10—High Lift – 50mm-125mm (Modification)

To:

"The maximum combined lift that can be certified (using codes LS9 and LS10) increase from 125mm to 150mm
The maximum lift by suspension alone that can be certified (using codes LS9 and LS10) increase from 50mm to 75mm."

The 75mm lift would be a 50mm tyre diameter increase and 50mm suspension lift, as per NSW for all vehicles, and Victoria for all non-ESC vehicles - in Victoria you can do a 75mm lift but you need to prove ESC is not affected.

There are many more questions and four I have outstanding are:

1. What sort of vehicles were targetted and why?

2. Why now, as the statement say that Qld intends to adopt

3. What was the "education and engagement" component?

4. Will the proposed changes to LS9 and LS10 be for vehicles with ESC?

Frankly, all the information and documents coming out of Queensland authorities are quite confusing, even to me who has specialised in this for years, and this is just Queensland let alone the other states. Even when there are clear statements there are many other questions left unanswered, I guess because nobody knows they need answering.

I've pointed out to TMR that the vast majority of 4WD owners just want a moderate, legal lift and to do the right thing, and it'd be a massive help if the various authorities (police, TMR) could be clearer about what the laws are, and their future intent, and then educate before enforce.

[GBC]

State governments are a farce and are fast becoming irrelevant. In these times this crap needs to be centralised. Only then when we have a single set of rules can some company like Lovell’s be bothered compliancing kits for models. I’d love to be able to get a 150mm placarded lift for a ranger off the shelf like they do in the states.

[Bigfish]

It just shows the contempt that the pollies and bureaucrats from council level to federal level have for the nations people.  About bloody time we had a royal commission into Australia's transport system with a view to standardising it from state to state.    Common sense so it wont happen. How the hell can you drive 100 yards into another state and be put off the road for a vehicle that meets all criteria in the state 100yards back but not in this one?..

[plusnq]

It just shows the contempt that the pollies and bureaucrats from council level to federal level have for the nations people.  About bloody time we had a royal commission into Australia's transport system with a view to standardising it from state to state.    Common sense so it wont happen. How the hell can you drive 100 yards into another state and be put off the road for a vehicle that meets all criteria in the state 100yards back but not in this one?..

Not just transport but health, education, emergency services and probably most of the services provided at a state level would be better divested to federal or local level. The States are an historic anachronism.

[KingBilly]

I have read a couple articles today. It was an ambush.

Apparently, they changed the rules in QLD without informing the public. So every one running a 2 inch lift and up one tyre size  on their ESC equipt vehicles thinking they are legal (they were) are now ilegal without being informed.

The Gestapo changed the rules with out informing the public.

What a load of rubbish.

No ambush.

Proposed rule changes happen in October, but don’t be surprised if they are delayed or modified before being introduced.

The Gestapo can NOT change any rules, only members of parliament can make road and vehicle compliance laws.

KB

[KingBilly]

It just shows the contempt that the pollies and bureaucrats from council level to federal level have for the nations people.  About bloody time we had a royal commission into Australia's transport system with a view to standardising it from state to state.    Common sense so it wont happen. How the hell can you drive 100 yards into another state and be put off the road for a vehicle that meets all criteria in the state 100yards back but not in this one?..

There is a standard set of road rules for Australia. Same as there is a standard set of vehicle compliance rules for the whole of Australia.

But each state must adopt these standard rules into their state legislation as states have legislative responsibility for road laws and vehicle compliance laws.

What happens in real life, is that the states pick and choose which parts of the national rules that they adopt.  Hence different speed limits in the NT, different towing speeds in WA, etc, etc.  Most of these differences are caused by individuals or groups lobbying their local state members who in turn lobby the respective ministers who then change the national rules to suit their own party’s political agendas.

From past practical experience in a previous working life, I would guess the vast majority of these state changes are against the advice of both the transport and the police department’s technical advisor’s recommendations.

Yes, we need uniform national guidelines to be adopted by politicians with enough guts to do the right thing.  That will never happen, and a RC wouldn’t make it happen either.

KB

[Pete79]

What happens in real life, is that the states pick and choose which parts of the national rules that they adopt.  Hence different speed limits in the NT, different towing speeds in WA, etc, etc.  Most of these differences are caused by individuals or groups lobbying their local state members who in turn lobby the respective ministers who then change the national rules to suit their own party’s political agendas.

This is just as confusing as all of the criss crossing documents relating to vehicle modifications. Local groups get state members to change federal rules to suit political agendas???

Is there one set of federal guidelines that overrule all of the tweaks each state has done or not?

[KingBilly]

No, unfortunately

KB

[KingBilly]

Now this puts all that dribble from 4WD Qld and AAAA in with all the other conspiracy theories on social media

http://statements.qld.gov.au/Statement/2018/9/12/operation-lift-and-queenslands-suspension-and-lift-laws

KB

[chester ver2.0]

8 Pages of the perfect example as to why state government should be abolished

[Raym]

Why bother with all the fuss with lifts & tyres, just get a Mitzi. 

https://youtu.be/BczEWS8wKSc?t=986

[DannyG]

Now this puts all that dribble from 4WD Qld and AAAA in with all the other conspiracy theories on social media

http://statements.qld.gov.au/Statement/2018/9/12/operation-lift-and-queenslands-suspension-and-lift-laws

KB

Now all the fun has been taken out of this thread. It was better when everyone from interstate was boycotting Queensland. I hate when someone brings facts to an argument, all the stuff I was reading on the internet was a better read 

[KingBilly]

Yeah I was hoping all those interstaters would stay away and leave the good spots for us locals 

KB

[edz]

Wondering how long it would have taken to get some  Official  to write a clarification on the the issue, If there wasnt a Social media Storm and their offices  didnt get Bombarded with emails ..
One thing you could bet on though, there will still be some Wannabe god wearing the blue badge of reality that will play stickerman with defect slips, regardless ...
Just the same as knobs will continue to do whatever they want .................. Till they get caught .

[Spada]

and maybe if journalists actually did some research and reported based on the facts, instead of using twitface as their source, we would not have had all of the carry-on in the first place. Somehow it morphed from a 3 day targeted crackdown on illegally modified vehicles, into a full on Armageddon against all 4wd's that was going to decimate Queensland tourism and force the closure of all 4wd accessory businesses? Far too much of what is "news" these days is nothing more that some bull$#!t social media topic that gets latched onto by a news outlet and the whole thing just runs away out of control......................exactly like this thread has from a single channel 7 news report that started from a social media post about a tricked up ute getting towed away, and then went viral.

It's just like the rated shackle drama, but on a bigger scale.................never let the facts get in the way of a good story 

[Beachman]

It mentions a 3 day blitz on the Gold Coast, but my Nephew got pulled over in his 4WD at Burpengary (North Side of Brisbane and he passed)

[Bigfish]

and maybe if journalists actually did some research and reported based on the facts, instead of using twitface as their source, we would not have had all of the carry-on in the first place. Somehow it morphed from a 3 day targeted crackdown on illegally modified vehicles, into a full on Armageddon against all 4wd's that was going to decimate Queensland tourism and force the closure of all 4wd accessory businesses? Far too much of what is "news" these days is nothing more that some bull$#!t social media topic that gets latched onto by a news outlet and the whole thing just runs away out of control......................exactly like this thread has from a single channel 7 news report that started from a social media post about a tricked up ute getting towed away, and then went viral.

It's just like the rated shackle drama, but on a bigger scale.................never let the facts get in the way of a good story 

Facebook is the preferred media for many morons.

[Pete79]

It mentions a 3 day blitz on the Gold Coast, but my Nephew got pulled over in his 4WD at Burpengary (North Side of Brisbane and he passed)

And apparently the Glasshouse raids where very organized and efficient as well...

[Nomad]

Nambour and north today.

[GeoffA]

Beautiful one day.....

[D4D]

Beautiful one day.....

Unroadworthy the next

[plusnq]

Hahahaha

[SEADOO]

What a load of rubbish.

No ambush.

Proposed rule changes happen in October, but don’t be surprised if they are delayed or modified before being introduced.

The Gestapo can NOT change any rules, only members of parliament can make road and vehicle compliance laws.

KB

There was no warning, no mention of it, no signed. Ambush.

ESC equipt vehicles were allowed a small upgrade, now they are not.

Gestapo, can interpret the rules. Laws are always open to interpretation. Laws changed with no warning.

They could of provided advice, guidance and provided a warning (unless it's the standard GQ with a P plate and the mods were dangerous) and let them go with a warning about the new laws. But they decided to defect evert body with any form of lift.

[Cruiser 105Tvan]

There should never be any need to interpret a law.
It should be read and understood as written, meanings of words and original intent of the Law makers should never be considered.
The 'Articled Clerks' that framed these Laws, as a result of requests from Politicians, should be doing their job correctly.
If they want the Law to mean something other than the way it is written, why don't they amend it, instead of a bull...t interpretation.