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Re: Recommendations for Forward Folding CT'S
« Reply #25 on: October 07, 2016, 09:46:25 AM »
I don't know what the pricing is, however CUB has a new forward fold.
http://www.cubcampers.com.au/cubcamper/frontier/frontier/

Might be worth a look.
I know I'm going to check it out at the Sydney 4WD Show soon.
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Re: Recommendations for Forward Folding CT'S
« Reply #26 on: October 07, 2016, 07:49:58 PM »
I have just gone through exactly the same situation mate.

After going to a show to get eyes on all those I had researched online, and more, I ordered a Skamper Kamper Dingo at the show.

Here is the reasoning for my going the Dingo:

http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=49224

But yes you are right. There are noticeable differences in quality at different price points of imported campers.

I think those firms, like Modcon and Skamper, who have Aussie built and imports in their line ups, keep a better eye on the quality of their imported product because if it's not up to scratch it impacts the reputation of the locally built product.

As far as the quality of the Skamper Dingo goes, there is a Skamper Owners Facebook page and folks are towing them to the cape and through the Vic high country with no issues.

I suggest if you can get to a show where they are all on display do it.


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Re: Recommendations for Forward Folding CT'S
« Reply #27 on: October 07, 2016, 08:04:14 PM »
I don't know what the pricing is, however CUB has a new forward fold.

Had a look at the CUB Rear Fold, I think it was called the Brumby. Anyway, hey can't fault the trailer on practicalities, but I just can't put my finger on what I don't like about them. Pricey, they don't feel like good value to me. I know the CUB name is well respected amongst camper fraternities and the good rep will go on for many years. If I bought one I think I would feel relatively confident and secure it wasn't going to let me down, but the love stops there sorry.

The new Frontier is new on the website and the pictures look quite impressive. I fear it may be a bit pricey for us but one that I will certainly be having a good look over when I get to finally see it. Who knows, this could be the dark horse?
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Re: Recommendations for Forward Folding CT'S
« Reply #28 on: October 07, 2016, 08:07:45 PM »
Heyya mate,
I own an Eagle Dakota hard floor camper. We have had it for 18months now.
Overall it has been good, but there have been a few issues.
The brakes have been my biggest....the Chinese quality was pretty poor...I had to replace the drums with some alco ones...heaps better.
There were a lot of sharp edges on the chrome bits, the water tap is not working properly, the water pumps are extremely noisy as well! No battery charger came with it...only Anderson plug so had to put a 240v charger in it.
The other thing is it is extremely heavy...over 1500kg empty...that puts it in the top trailer rego in NSW...so very expensive!
It has suited us well...but would go elsewhere in the future.
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Wow, that's made me think a bit. I'l certainly be looking a bit closer at the brakes next time. Did you contact Eagle about the issues? If so, how did that go?

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Re: Recommendations for Forward Folding CT'S
« Reply #29 on: October 07, 2016, 08:21:32 PM »
Generally speaking I don't think there is anything wrong with an import trailer - you just need to do your due diligence. But in saying that, sometimes things you dont even think about become an issue.

I own a lifestyle walkthru camper, this was lifestyles import camper and my parents own an mdc FF.

My parents have had a fair amount of issues with their camper, alot of it came down to a lack of (none existent) quality control and followed up by mdc's no cares given, slap in the face customer service.

My experience with lifestyle was different, they always followed up and tried to be helpful and unlike my parents camper didnt get given to me with 5 existing obvious faults.

However......... this one came as a surprise to me;
My brakes needed replacing, so off to the mechanic it went. Should have been easy, should have been able to pick it up the next day but it turns out that the axle and hub were a very uncommon size and parts didnt exist. The mechanic tracked it down as coming off a 4WD that was only manufactured and distributed in america and that to get the parts i would need to get the entire section shipped over and then strip it down for parts. It was going to cost $900 to get the parts and if we ever needed new brake drums again then we would be in the same situation. We ended up changing out the entire axle and putting on new hubs - it was cheaper and if we ever needed spare parts then they were a standard size now.

My parents had the exact same issue this year, only instead of full axle and leaf suspension they have independent. When they contacted MDC, they were told no we dont have spare parts and wont be getting any. They had to approach fair trading who then contacted mdc who finally agreed to source the spare part but it would take 8+ weeks to get it in the country. They had it at the mechanic who had an engineer look at it and took it to a specialist trailer place to have a look in the hopes of coming up with a solution (this was while mdc were being difficult to deal with) but in the end they all agreed that unless mdc can supply the spare part the only option would be that the entire suspension would need replacing which would come in the thousands.

What mdc actually said was that they buy parts by the container load and once used up then thats it. Which backs up what my mechanic told me a year previous which is alot of import campers buy parts by the container load eg) when a company is overstocked it will sell off parts in bulk cheap. so the import campers manufacturers buy them, use them and then move onto the next container with little or no thought or care as to whether the parts will be available here in Australia if something goes wrong.

Moral of the story - check the suspension of the camper your interested in buying is regular Aus size and that spare parts will be readily available if you need them.

Hey, thanks for taking the time to type this. Great post. Very interesting read and points you make have been stored in the memory banks. The MDC campers look great on the website and some of the inclusions are impressive. I did contact a showroom interstate to get more info and found the response I got was a bit condescending to be honest. I can deal with that but just felt that the trailer was a bit cheap and cheerful. I can see the appeal of them and I have to admit that their prices are very competitive.

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Re: Recommendations for Forward Folding CT'S
« Reply #30 on: October 07, 2016, 08:36:13 PM »
The Adelaide 4WD show is on 22+23 Oct. I can't wait now. We may have to plan a shopping trip to Brizzy at some point too to weigh up the Modcon and Skampa. Really enjoyed reading some of the interesting comments tonight by everyone. Many thanks for all the advice.

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Re: Recommendations for Forward Folding CT'S
« Reply #31 on: October 07, 2016, 08:40:17 PM »
Wow, that's made me think a bit. I'l certainly be looking a bit closer at the brakes next time. Did you contact Eagle about the issues? If so, how did that go?
Yeah mate....got fobbed off!
I didn't help the situation for driving it a bit with the handbrake on a small amount....but they weren't very helpful!

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Re: Recommendations for Forward Folding CT'S
« Reply #32 on: October 07, 2016, 08:41:24 PM »
I highly recommend buying something that is local...
Numerous people get arseholed if they have to travel for warranty issues.
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Re: Recommendations for Forward Folding CT'S
« Reply #33 on: October 07, 2016, 08:49:15 PM »
Yeah mate....got fobbed off!
I didn't help the situation for driving it a bit with the handbrake on a small amount....but they weren't very helpful!

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Hey good to know. Eagle are going to be at the 4WD show later this month. I will be prodding them on these raised issues and the issue of availability of spare parts.

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Re: Recommendations for Forward Folding CT'S
« Reply #34 on: October 07, 2016, 08:52:45 PM »
I highly recommend buying something that is local...
Numerous people get arseholed if they have to travel for warranty issues.

I agree. However, I am only going to part with my cold hard for the right CT. Warranty will be a significant issue for us if we do buy from QLD or VIC.

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Re: Recommendations for Forward Folding CT'S
« Reply #35 on: October 07, 2016, 09:49:56 PM »
Mate, not to be rude, but you're getting pretty narky over people trying to advise you to look at buying a good quality near new Aussie made camper. You're asking for people to give you real examples of issues they have had. If you do a bit of research you will see heaps of examples on this site alone, let alone the rest of the web, on the issues that a lot of these imported campers have suffered. Everything from as small as poor wiring practices through to spring hangers tearing out of thin walled crap steel chassis's. I'm not saying they are all like this, but there are a lot that are. My mate bought an imported forward fold hard floor for $11000 new. It has some of the worst welding I have seen, the independent suspension arms are made from 2.5mm steel (very thin), the drawer bar is only bolted on, canvas zippers were sewn on the wrong way around for the annex, water pump in kitchen died the first use, and he's only taken it out once so who knows what else will show up. But hey, it's brand new, that's the main thing right? It's like trying to say that a brand new Lada Niva is better than a perfect condition second hand 200 series cruiser.
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Re: Recommendations for Forward Folding CT'S
« Reply #36 on: October 07, 2016, 10:36:24 PM »
Went to the Modcon factory and all I can say is WOW these new trailers are bloody awesome!!!
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Re: Recommendations for Forward Folding CT'S
« Reply #37 on: October 07, 2016, 10:36:49 PM »
Mate, not to be rude, but you're getting pretty narky over people trying to advise you to look at buying a good quality near new Aussie made camper. You're asking for people to give you real examples of issues they have had. If you do a bit of research you will see heaps of examples on this site alone, let alone the rest of the web, on the issues that a lot of these imported campers have suffered. Everything from as small as poor wiring practices through to spring hangers tearing out of thin walled crap steel chassis's. I'm not saying they are all like this, but there are a lot that are. My mate bought an imported forward fold hard floor for $11000 new. It has some of the worst welding I have seen, the independent suspension arms are made from 2.5mm steel (very thin), the drawer bar is only bolted on, canvas zippers were sewn on the wrong way around for the annex, water pump in kitchen died the first use, and he's only taken it out once so who knows what else will show up. But hey, it's brand new, that's the main thing right? It's like trying to say that a brand new Lada Niva is better than a perfect condition second hand 200 series cruiser.
Good luck with your search.

$11k for a new FF. Holly s@*t that's cheap!!

No wonder it had issues.

As has been mentioned, there are massive quality differences at the various price points for international product and $11k is Russian hooker, or Lada, rock bottom.

Not talking that price point here though.


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« Reply #38 on: October 07, 2016, 10:38:54 PM »
Hey, great post and really enjoyed the write up and pics of the Skamper Rig. You've equipped it exactly as I would like to. Great job.  :cup:

Only shame is I detest Facebook! LOL

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Understand the FB comment. Can be the scourge of civilisation!

Main point is they back their product and brand reputation.

But again, if you can get to a show where all your top options are. Do it.


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Re: Recommendations for Forward Folding CT'S
« Reply #39 on: October 07, 2016, 11:21:34 PM »
Mate, not to be rude, but you're getting pretty narky over people trying to advise you to look at buying a good quality near new Aussie made camper. You're asking for people to give you real examples of issues they have had. If you do a bit of research you will see heaps of examples on this site alone, let alone the rest of the web, on the issues that a lot of these imported campers have suffered. Everything from as small as poor wiring practices through to spring hangers tearing out of thin walled crap steel chassis's. I'm not saying they are all like this, but there are a lot that are. My mate bought an imported forward fold hard floor for $11000 new. It has some of the worst welding I have seen, the independent suspension arms are made from 2.5mm steel (very thin), the drawer bar is only bolted on, canvas zippers were sewn on the wrong way around for the annex, water pump in kitchen died the first use, and he's only taken it out once so who knows what else will show up. But hey, it's brand new, that's the main thing right? It's like trying to say that a brand new Lada Niva is better than a perfect condition second hand 200 series cruiser.
Good luck with your search.

Hey there, I didn't think I was narky. But perhaps you may have a point, you seem to be very familiar with the concept.

Some great advice on this thread alone from users, including yourself. I have seen a lot of comment about imports a lot of negative and a lot of positive too all over the web. What I am trying to glean is; Who are the companies to avoid? What are the common issues that might get missed in the showroom that can come back and bite me later. What are the warranties like from these companies,?..You know the common questions you think about when buying a CT. I was particularly interested in the experience of your friend who bought the $11k import. You didn't mention where he bought it from or gave a make and model, which would have been helpful.

You make a good point about the bolted drawbar/chassis. This can be an area of weakness on chassis and one probably I agree is best to try to avoid. 2.5mm steel is VERY thin and the alarm bells should have rung on that alone. I'm finding that most imported steel chassis from supposed reputable Australian CT suppliers/manufacturers is between 4 and 5mm. I think if your friend had taken the time to discuss and research these issues, as you advocate, then he may have avoided that lemon.

I make no apologies for asking people who are negative about imports to simply state their experience with them. Otherwise it just becomes something akin to the very old Holden/Ford debate. I have also clearly stated in my posts that I am not final on new or used. I may be swayed by a good used but as I've said, I'm just not seeing that bargain IMO. It's a personal preference to buy new. I'm not supporting some ideology here I'm buying a CT. If the right used at the right price came up I may go for it. At the moment and after giving this much thought, I am leaning towards three makes which I have stated in previous posts.

Don't forget either, if it is about supporting local companies, that these Australian "imported" CT Dealers are employing dozens of Australian workers. I've walked through the workshops and seen the work that these guys are doing. From the fitters in the warehouse to the local auto electricians and certified gas fitters who get contracted to do some of the installation work. Wow, did I just go all political then!!  ???

All this work can be inspected prior to purchase so you can avoid the shoddy workmanship that your friend experienced. I've seen significant difference in refinement for the final fits across the different dealers/manufacturers/suppliers.

I am thankful for you taking the time to respond. There has been some really interesting advice given and I am enjoying reading the different views.
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Re: Recommendations for Forward Folding CT'S
« Reply #40 on: October 07, 2016, 11:27:09 PM »
Went to the Modcon factory and all I can say is WOW these new trailers are bloody awesome!!!

Noted. I need to get myself to QLD. :D

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« Reply #41 on: October 08, 2016, 02:19:21 AM »
Hey there, I didn't think I was narky. But perhaps you may have a point, you seem to be very familiar with the concept.

Hey, you yourself said 'rant over' at the end of your piece. And thanks for the snide retaliation, you're proving me right.
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Re: Recommendations for Forward Folding CT'S
« Reply #42 on: October 08, 2016, 10:08:15 AM »
Hey, thanks for taking the time to type this. Great post. Very interesting read and points you make have been stored in the memory banks. The MDC campers look great on the website and some of the inclusions are impressive. I did contact a showroom interstate to get more info and found the response I got was a bit condescending to be honest. I can deal with that but just felt that the trailer was a bit cheap and cheerful. I can see the appeal of them and I have to admit that their prices are very competitive.

Through watching my parents try to deal with mdc on multiple occasions regarding issues with the trailer, I can assure you that its painful..... very painful. Communication is terrible, but they are very good at playing the blame game - so score one for them!

Its highly unlikely that I ever would have bought an mdc product myself, but after seeing the faults with the camper on pickup watching how they handle after sales service and how painful it can be to even get them to respond to issues I am now certain that there is no circumstance in which I could ever be persuaded to buy an mdc product.

After my parents first experience with mdc, they didnt bother contacting mdc about the smaller warranty issues, they just fixed the problems themselves - it was just easier and less time consuming. They only contacted them when they absolutely had too.

I have whole sagas on how unorganised and awfully unhelpful they were in dealing with my parents camper issues. It was so bad at times I thought they were perhaps writing a thesis with real life examples on just how bad customer service can get.

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« Reply #43 on: October 08, 2016, 11:19:22 AM »
Through watching my parents try to deal with mdc on multiple occasions regarding issues with the trailer, I can assure you that its painful..... very painful. Communication is terrible, but they are very good at playing the blame game - so score one for them!

Its highly unlikely that I ever would have bought an mdc product myself, but after seeing the faults with the camper on pickup watching how they handle after sales service and how painful it can be to even get them to respond to issues I am now certain that there is no circumstance in which I could ever be persuaded to buy an mdc product.

After my parents first experience with mdc, they didnt bother contacting mdc about the smaller warranty issues, they just fixed the problems themselves - it was just easier and less time consuming. They only contacted them when they absolutely had too.

I have whole sagas on how unorganised and awfully unhelpful they were in dealing with my parents camper issues. It was so bad at times I thought they were perhaps writing a thesis with real life examples on just how bad customer service can get.

Great post. I have heard several similar stories. I got that feeling too when I made enquiries with their customer service. No smoke without fire I say. Shame too because their packages are pretty generous. Too many negatives for me to consider an MDC.

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Re: Recommendations for Forward Folding CT'S
« Reply #44 on: October 08, 2016, 05:02:17 PM »
A mate bought one of the campers currently on Grays Online for $13700, and said it's Perry similar to the Broadwater Hamilton, and for the money is happy to replace bearings, shocks, etc...

Might be worth a look...

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« Reply #45 on: October 08, 2016, 07:11:15 PM »
A mate bought one of the campers currently on Grays Online for $13700, and said it's Perry similar to the Broadwater Hamilton, and for the money is happy to replace bearings, shocks, etc...

Might be worth a look...

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I was told a rumour that the trailers advertised on Grays Online and eBay are often listed by dealers who feel that the quality of the chassis is not to their standards and would represent a risk to the company. It's cheaper to de-badge and sell at a knockdown than ship back to China. Don't know how true that is but buyer beware would surely be the way to go with them.

If you know what your doing and have the skills to modify then it is probably worthy of a try.


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« Reply #46 on: October 08, 2016, 07:29:30 PM »
If anyone spots a great used forward fold for under $23k please let me know.
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« Reply #47 on: October 10, 2016, 10:50:43 PM »
Hi guys,
Sorry to hijack this thread, but this thread made me think and look around and realise there s not many forward fold vs rear and drop tents.
More interestingly, not many oz ones, but mostly import.
Any reason why?
I do like the idea of them, but they are a bit heavy for us..

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« Reply #48 on: October 11, 2016, 09:04:21 AM »
If anyone spots a great used forward fold for under $23k please let me know.

Is this where we all put in how we spotted and purchased one ourselves?
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« Reply #49 on: October 11, 2016, 10:53:23 AM »
Hi guys,
Sorry to hijack this thread, but this thread made me think and look around and realise there s not many forward fold vs rear and drop tents.
More interestingly, not many oz ones, but mostly import.
Any reason why?
I do like the idea of them, but they are a bit heavy for us..

The imports are all very similar and much cheaper. If you go Aussie you're going premium in most cases IMHO. And you're correct they are much heavier than soft floor. I'm finding Aggregate Tare is between 1500kg and 2300kg depending on model.


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