Engine Conversion for Patrol Ute

[Joff]

I'm yet to see reports of a crd version "grenading" like the di did ie cracked Pistons ect.

What is the OP's - 2011?

I don't think you can define 'grenading' as just no.4 piston meltdown. That motor and it's boost and fueling systems has been giving Nissan and it's owners trouble for 15 years.

Mind you, Ford may yet find that they have a similar experience with the 5cyl Ranger if reports are correct.

[prodigyrf]

Hmmm....and I thought a Provent 200 and Tonys Mod was enough to spend on the lad's non DPF MN Triton-
http://chiptuning.com.au/nissan-zd30-engine-protection/
They tell me you buy a diesel to save money on fuel. Bwahahahahahah!

[Footy Shorts Shane]

What is the OP's - 2011?

That motor and it's boost and fueling systems has been giving Nissan and it's owners trouble for 15 years.

1L/tonne, for what is basically a passenger car engine, is a very big ask, IMO.

[prodigyrf]

1L/tonne, for what is basically a passenger car engine, is a very big ask, IMO.

But the same capacity 1KZ-TE Toyota diesel didn't crap itself but it's the increasingly stringent pollution requirements that are finding out these diesels nowadays and VW's antics showed they're at the technical limit now. Diesels are finished for domestic applications.

[99disco]

But the same capacity 1KZ-TE Toyota diesel didn't crap itself but it's the increasingly stringent pollution requirements that are finding out these diesels nowadays and VW's antics showed they're at the technical limit now. Diesels are finished for domestic applications.

Your dead right. Europe has already announced they'll no longer allow the diesel 200 series and there's more to come as emissions get tighter and tighter. I used to think our next car would be a 200 series but I'm leaning more and more towards the y62 patrol. Guys with them are reporting very similar fuel figures to the 200 without all the hassles of emission crap or the worry of picking up bad fuel.

[prodigyrf]

Hard to ignore all the signs-
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2016/08/kia-s-diesel-mild-hybrid-could-be-scuttled-thanks-to-dieselgate.html

[Joff]

Your dead right. Europe has already announced they'll no longer allow the diesel 200 series and there's more to come as emissions get tighter and tighter. I used to think our next car would be a 200 series but I'm leaning more and more towards the y62 patrol. Guys with them are reporting very similar fuel figures to the 200 without all the hassles of emission crap or the worry of picking up bad fuel.

That's a bit drastic  there is a petrol 200 series still I think. No need to get desperate 

[99disco]

That's a bit drastic  there is a petrol 200 series still I think. No need to get desperate 

200 petrol 227kw 439nm
Y62 petrol 298kw 560nm

I know where I'd be going.

[Joff]

200 petrol 227kw 439nm
Y62 petrol 298kw 560nm

I know where I'd be going.

if that's all that matters then Dodge Ram 276kW 1084Nm 

[Bird]

1L/tonne, for what is basically a passenger car engine, is a very big ask, IMO.

even worse with 4.5t.... Nothing will beat a bit lazy donk for the work

[99disco]

if that's all that matters then Dodge Ram 276kW 1084Nm 

That's what matters between those two.

[Bird]

Having seen a Nissan titan at the recent show, if they can up th NM (only 550 odd) they will own the market...
the rear passenger space was MASSIVE... reminded me of a typical 1950's American car.. HUGE
as was the tub.

[peanut2]

What has the 3l done mate, what was the failure?



Shane

Spat the dipstick and pumped approx 2l oil out of the sump and it blows a heap of white smoke.  Cleaned it up and added more oil and it idles, but misses really badly above an idle and still blowing smoke.

Peanut

[Rainsey]

a fair whack more thirsty than a grenade, but would also last a lot longer than a grenade with power to spare..

or
http://www.brunswickdiesels.com.au/ but use KY when you get the price.

http://www.marks4wd.com/engine-conversions/bell-housing-adaptors/nissan/ls-v8-engines.html

http://dellowconversions.com.au/product/conversion-kit-manual-chev-v8-ls-1-2-3-to-nissan-patrol-gq-gu-5-speed/

I have been sitting on the side line but I have an issue with being too quiet...

There has been a bit of diatribe of the cost of Brunswick vs Duramax.

There is no doubt that the Duramax with the Alison is a brilliant modern day upgrade. My comment on it though is that the cost that many have stated is ... Should I say optimistic.

Some time back I contacted Australian Duramax Conversions. I was told over the phone that I should set aside at least $45 to $49k. This was baseline superficial costs.

In speaking to a couple of people that have done the conversion, they suggested setting aside at least another $10k for incidental costs. This did not include the period of time that one would be without their vehicle. At that time, up to 2 months minimum. I am not equipped to be able to do my own conversions.

Location for the conversions was interstate so add to this transport. So add a couple of K to this figure.

All up, on basic upgrade costs, it was going to cost me at least $59k.

I opted for a Brunswick upgrade. It cost me $33k drive in drive out. Add $1.5 k in transportation costs it came in at $34.5k. I also got a 500kg GVM upgrade.

Does it have the performance of a Duramax.. Probably no way as I have not driven one.. But there are a couple of things to consider...
1: outright cost.
2: outcome vs needs
3: customer service

So .. From an outright cost perspective.. If I was to look at an engine upgrade and an Auto transmission upgrade ... It probably comes in on par... If you can find someone you trust to do it. Btw, the engine I got was a brand new crated engine, not recondition or re purposed.

From a needs perspective, the 6.5 chev exceeds expectations as I am not after out right performance.. Just towing capability.

From a customer service perspective .. There is no comparison. These guys are absolutely awesome. So from this side of things, one has to weigh up ... Great performance with crap and no customer support or something that is going to get support wherever you are.

Sorry for the long post but there is more to an upgrade than brute performance. One needs to look at actual needs and how you are going to be supported after the fact, and the cost associated with it.

Do the qualitative research, leave those that know a person that knows a person that has a conversion done behind, and get on the blower to those that actually have one done.

Kindest regards
Rainsey




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[moose2367]

Australian Duramax Conversions are a company no one should deal with.  They have taken money from many people and delivered nothing.
Put them in the same basket as XRO racing


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[Rainsey]

Australian Duramax Conversions are a company no one should deal with.  They have taken money from many people and delivered nothing.
Put them in the same basket as XRO racing


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Don't know who XRO are but ADC... Totally agree. Anyone that has any thoughts of using them... Go to the Patrol 4x4 forum first and do a search. I'll say no more.

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Rainsey


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[Bird]

Australian Duramax Conversions are a company no one should deal with.  They have taken money from many people and delivered nothing.

2 of the GU's I mentioned are there... One would be nearly 12mths now... the other is waiting for his replacement engine to come by Express budgie from Mars....

[Rumpig]

Don't know who XRO are.......

Outerlimits forum had a thread dedicated to that guy, seemed many a person got burned by him over the years. From memory he was on the Sunshine Coast here in Qld I think.

[Rainsey]

Outerlimits forum had a thread dedicated to that guy, seemed many a person got burned by him over the years. From memory he was on the Sunshine Coast here in Qld I think.

Can't help myself ...

When I was researching engine conversions, rather than posts and email I tried to speak to people directly. One of the guys that had a Brunswick conversion had already put $25k down on a ADC conversion and is still to get his money back. He did a Brunswick conversion as his engine finally died close by them and they got him back on the road.

Bottom line, speak directly to people that have done conversions, many that have and are happy will offer test drives in their vehicles. Take the time, do it ..

Kindest regards
Rainsey


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[Rumpig]

Can't help myself ...

When I was researching engine conversions, rather than posts and email I tried to speak to people directly. One of the guys that had a Brunswick conversion had already put $25k down on a ADC conversion and is still to get his money back. He did a Brunswick conversion as his engine finally died close by them and they got him back on the road.

Bottom line, speak directly to people that have done conversions, many that have and are happy will offer test drives in their vehicles. Take the time, do it ..

Kindest regards
Rainsey


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not interested in doing a conversion myself... I got a quote to chuck a Duramax into my 105 series by a local Qld guy, the price turned me off doing it and I bought a dual cab 79 series instead. For the price it costs to do such a conversion, I personally would want a brand new motor in my vehicle, not a secondhand motor. I drove a Brunswick diesel converted Cruiser not long before selling my 105 series, it went ok I thought, but I still baulked at the idea of spending that much coin (even though it's cheaper then a Duramax) and not get a new motor in my vehicle.

[Rainsey]

not interested in doing a conversion myself... I got a quote to chuck a Duramax into my 105 series by a local Qld guy, the price turned me off doing it and I bought a dual cab 79 series instead. For the price it costs to do such a conversion, I personally would want a brand new motor in my vehicle, not a secondhand motor. I drove a Brunswick diesel converted Cruiser not long before selling my 105 series, it went ok I thought, but I still baulked at the idea of spending that much coin (even though it's cheaper then a Duramax) and not get a new motor in my vehicle.

Yes I went through a whole rationalisation process. I looked at the price I could sell my truck for, the cost of what it would be to replace, and my only replacement was  79 series LC.

I also looked at needs, like wagon vs ute. I desperately wanted a ute, but did not want the extra wheel base of the LC, and then I looked at the cost of getting something identical in level as what I had.

Ultimately, the initial cost came out even. My deciding factor was on the fact that I had already got my vehicle up to where I wanted it and it's comfort and size.

The big decider was that for what I could ultimately afford, a 79 series would be around the same age as the Patrol I already have and hence the risk of having the same issues I had.

What I ended up with is a brand new engine, no electronics to get flooded, but probably aged technology.  But ... The cost of maintenance compared to a common  rail has to be cheaper.

Who knows... I may have made a mistake but at the moment, I can't wipe the smile off my face.

Kindest regards
Rainsey


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[Bird]

. One would be nearly 12mths now...

actually 12 mths next week

[99disco]

I have been sitting on the side line but I have an issue with being too quiet...

There has been a bit of diatribe of the cost of Brunswick vs Duramax.

There is no doubt that the Duramax with the Alison is a brilliant modern day upgrade. My comment on it though is that the cost that many have stated is ... Should I say optimistic.

Some time back I contacted Australian Duramax Conversions. I was told over the phone that I should set aside at least $45 to $49k. This was baseline superficial costs.

In speaking to a couple of people that have done the conversion, they suggested setting aside at least another $10k for incidental costs. This did not include the period of time that one would be without their vehicle. At that time, up to 2 months minimum. I am not equipped to be able to do my own conversions.

Location for the conversions was interstate so add to this transport. So add a couple of K to this figure.

All up, on basic upgrade costs, it was going to cost me at least $59k.

I opted for a Brunswick upgrade. It cost me $33k drive in drive out. Add $1.5 k in transportation costs it came in at $34.5k. I also got a 500kg GVM upgrade.

Does it have the performance of a Duramax.. Probably no way as I have not driven one.. But there are a couple of things to consider...
1: outright cost.
2: outcome vs needs
3: customer service

So .. From an outright cost perspective.. If I was to look at an engine upgrade and an Auto transmission upgrade ... It probably comes in on par... If you can find someone you trust to do it. Btw, the engine I got was a brand new crated engine, not recondition or re purposed.

From a needs perspective, the 6.5 chev exceeds expectations as I am not after out right performance.. Just towing capability.

From a customer service perspective .. There is no comparison. These guys are absolutely awesome. So from this side of things, one has to weigh up ... Great performance with crap and no customer support or something that is going to get support wherever you are.

Sorry for the long post but there is more to an upgrade than brute performance. One needs to look at actual needs and how you are going to be supported after the fact, and the cost associated with it.

Do the qualitative research, leave those that know a person that knows a person that has a conversion done behind, and get on the blower to those that actually have one done.

Kindest regards
Rainsey




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Some good info there mate. So have you been overall happy with the brunny? Any problems, how long have you had it?

Sorry for all the questions but genuinely interested.

[Rainsey]

Some good info there mate. So have you been overall happy with the brunny? Any problems, how long have you had it?

Sorry for all the questions but genuinely interested.

Don't be sorry, if you don't ask you don't know!

Ok, to answer your questions ...
Overall happy ... Oh  yeah, big time.
How long have I had it ... Only now 3 weeks.

Observations :-

Performance:- it definitely is not a sports car... Acceleration ... Does not exist.
Torque :- Oh yeah ... Tow a Tvan behind a Nissan Patrol ... Now I do not even know it is behind me.

Fuel Economy :- actually better than the ZD30.

Bottom line it is a very old engine, No smarts, no capability of chiping or advanced tuning. Positive side from my perspective, not computer operated, next water crossing I go though I don't have to worry. No common rail hence much of the high strung fuel issues are gone. As the guys from Brunswick state, you can run it on Kero if you have to.

From a negative side, tuning using chips ... No go. Performance, .... It is a sluggish engine but it seems to be one that just does not have to prove anything. rev to 2.5K RPM and change gear. Simple as that. Also seemed to run hot under load.

From a cost perspective ... 20K cheaper than a Duramax install. Equivalent cost to selling the patrol and buying an equivalent age Land Cruiser. Negative side here is buying a vehicle with the same issues if not more and then having to spend money on upgrading to what you already had accessory wise.


Would I do I again ... Probably yes.

One thing that Brunswick do have is absolutely fantastic customer service. Any issue, a phone call is all you need to have the issue resolved. The staff are absolutely fantastic. The engineering guys are brilliant. I just purchased a spares kit ... They shipped product cheaper than I can buy locally. Nothing seems to be too much trouble for them.

If anyone is considering this conversion, PM me and I can pass on direct feedback.

Kindest regards
Rainsey







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[99disco]

Don't be sorry, if you don't ask you don't know!

Ok, to answer your questions ...
Overall happy ... Oh  yeah, big time.
How long have I had it ... Only now 3 weeks.

Observations :-

Performance:- it definitely is not a sports car... Acceleration ... Does not exist.
Torque :- Oh yeah ... Tow a Tvan behind a Nissan Patrol ... Now I do not even know it is behind me.

Fuel Economy :- actually better than the ZD30.

Bottom line it is a very old engine, No smarts, no capability of chiping or advanced tuning. Positive side from my perspective, not computer operated, next water crossing I go though I don't have to worry. No common rail hence much of the high strung fuel issues are gone. As the guys from Brunswick state, you can run it on Kero if you have to.

From a negative side, tuning using chips ... No go. Performance, .... It is a sluggish engine but it seems to be one that just does not have to prove anything. rev to 2.5K RPM and change gear. Simple as that. Also seemed to run hot under load.

From a cost perspective ... 20K cheaper than a Duramax install. Equivalent cost to selling the patrol and buying an equivalent age Land Cruiser. Negative side here is buying a vehicle with the same issues if not more and then having to spend money on upgrading to what you already had accessory wise.


Would I do I again ... Probably yes.

One thing that Brunswick do have is absolutely fantastic customer service. Any issue, a phone call is all you need to have the issue resolved. The staff are absolutely fantastic. The engineering guys are brilliant. I just purchased a spares kit ... They shipped product cheaper than I can buy locally. Nothing seems to be too much trouble for them.

If anyone is considering this conversion, PM me and I can pass on direct feedback.

Kindest regards
Rainsey







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Thanks for that. We've got a crd patrol and actually live about 20km from Brunswick I really should get out there and take one for a squirt. I dream of a duramax but I just don't know if I can justify the price, hassle and general lack of knowledge about the conversion (compared to a chev). I'm generally happy with the crd performance wise (chip, exhaust and intercooler) but the constant looking at EGT and boost gauges and general worry while towing our 3t van is starting to do my head in.