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Engine Conversion for Patrol Ute
« on: August 21, 2016, 10:56:32 AM »
I am putting this out there to those way more knowledgeable than me.

Our 2011 Nissan Patrol ute 3L has sh*t itself - I know surprise, surprise. :)

Anyway our conversion options are an LS1 (v8) motor or an HDFTE (4.8). Because of the year model, we have to remain within the standards for emission control, so we can't just go and install just any motor.

We use this ute mainly for towing a gooseneck horsefloat, or caravan or camper trailer.  It is also used for collecting a couple of round bales of hay.  This is just a bit of background info.  Also, it probably only does around 10000km/year.

What are your thoughts? 


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Re: Engine Conversion for Patrol Ute
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2016, 11:10:54 AM »
The Ls1 makes a good conversion for crusiers and patrols.
As you probably know you can buy a complete kit so enginering and instalations relitivly easy from what ive heard.
The other plus is power to weight ratio is good and tons of hp upgrade mods for them.
Just get a pre drive by wire engine
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Re: Engine Conversion for Patrol Ute
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2016, 12:01:53 PM »
$10 To $14 Grand for an LS1  conversion,  $4500 for a second handy or a full fleabay rebuild kit for $1500 + $$ for machining etc ... Money talks and BS walks Decisions ..
A lot depends on what you or your mates are capable in doing to help drop the costs involved ..Do you have the time / space know how to do the conversion etc or are you going to have to farm it all out to a mechanic at $100 +  an hour .
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Re: Engine Conversion for Patrol Ute
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2016, 12:01:56 PM »
What has the 3l done mate, what was the failure?

The 1hdfte won't pass euro4 emissions which is why it was discontinued in Australia after 2006. Depending on budget the best option is a duramax but you'll need pockets roughly twice as deep as an ls2 conversion.




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Re: Engine Conversion for Patrol Ute
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2016, 12:09:20 PM »
My boss has dropped an Ls1 in two patrols now. 12-13lt per hundred touring and the thing will drag most things off the lights. Makes the best fourbie going around . If you like the vehicle go for it. The 3l is ordinary at the best of times towing a reasonable size load it's a dog.
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Re: Engine Conversion for Patrol Ute
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2016, 01:16:52 PM »
Sorry, can't help with your decision, but thought this thread on another forum might help. A lot of the folks over there are very knowledgeable, and may help with your concerns. It is also very good for all things Patrol.

http://www.patrol4x4.com/forum/nissan-patrol-gu-gr-10/zd-not-zd-337105/ 
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Re: Engine Conversion for Patrol Ute
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2016, 02:07:17 PM »
A forum member on here fitted a Ford Barra 4L 6 cylinder out of a BA - FG Falcon to a Patrol wagon.  Looked like a really neat conversion.  Those Barra engines are pretty bullet proof and you can pick up low k units from wreckers complete with accessories and harness for well under $1000. No where near as grunty as an LS1, but with 190kw. It would go pretty good with reasonable economy.

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Re: Engine Conversion for Patrol Ute
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2016, 03:24:02 PM »
have just being through this, and ended up fixing the 3lt
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Re: Engine Conversion for Patrol Ute
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2016, 04:13:51 PM »
Hi All, A lady I no that lives in Pomona had a 6,6lt duramax with 6 speed Alison auto fitted to there 3lt Patrol wagon , 40 grand drive in drive out, not a cheap conversion buy no means, but she said it pulls there 22ft van like it was not there, Craig
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Re: Engine Conversion for Patrol Ute
« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2016, 04:21:59 PM »
So no-one would consider the landcruiser hdfte 4.8 over the LS1?  Obviously diehard Patrol fans would not contemplate it.

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Re: Engine Conversion for Patrol Ute
« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2016, 04:39:55 PM »
Quote from: peanut2 on August 21, 2016, 04:21:59 PM
So no-one would consider the landcruiser hdfte 4.8 over the LS1?  Obviously diehard Patrol fans would not contemplate it.

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i did, but decided against a conversion altogether
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Re: Engine Conversion for Patrol Ute
« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2016, 05:00:15 PM »
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Anyway our conversion options are an LS1 (v8) motor or an HDFTE (4.8).
google for Project Toni.. dude did a cruiser conversion years ago amazing work...
dude in our club just fitted the Duramax and nothing but issues... but when it goes, 300rwkw - it goes!
nutha dude has gone top shelf - TD42T. best of all worlds
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Re: Engine Conversion for Patrol Ute
« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2016, 05:28:14 PM »
The duramax is an amazing motor but the later ones that need the ad blue are giving a bit of grief. I reckon you still can't neat the LS conversion for simplicity, power and economy. Only downside is petrol and the issues with remote touring I guess?
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Re: Engine Conversion for Patrol Ute
« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2016, 05:32:28 PM »
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The duramax is an amazing motor but the later ones that need the ad blue are giving a bit of grief. I reckon you still can't neat the LS conversion for simplicity, power and economy.
the issue with Duamax is finding someone with a clue to fit them... plenty of "expert" companies. all I've heard of and seen are letdowns.
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Re: Engine Conversion for Patrol Ute
« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2016, 05:37:13 PM »
Quote from: Bird on August 21, 2016, 05:32:28 PM
the issue with Duamax is finding someone with a clue to fit them... plenty of "expert" companies. all I've heard of and seen are letdowns.

It's just a motor Bruce. The two LS convertions have been faultless no reason a duramax shouldn't be. But as I said mate had a 2015 2500 and the ad blue motor is a pain. Run any diesel other than BP and your in for it. Best way to do any conversion is a donar  car then you can make sure you get everything. Maybe that's the issue with the duramax convertions ?
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Re: Engine Conversion for Patrol Ute
« Reply #15 on: August 21, 2016, 05:39:19 PM »
Quote from: Bird on August 21, 2016, 05:32:28 PM
the issue with Duamax is finding someone with a clue to fit them... plenty of "expert" companies. all I've heard of and seen are letdowns.

Some very dodgey operators too. Promise the world, take a deposit, and deliver NOTHING.

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Re: Engine Conversion for Patrol Ute
« Reply #16 on: August 21, 2016, 05:44:07 PM »
Quote from: GeoffA on August 21, 2016, 05:39:19 PM
Some very dodgey operators too. Promise the world, take a deposit, and deliver NOTHING.

Caveat emptor.....
Understatement.. your on patrol forum.. you know the go!
Sadly mate had one fitted out Warrigul by an Expert.. th airbox wasn't connected to motor.. = motor ****d.. even the housing for starter had been welded back on!!!

So he took to another "expert" to have a report done on it, and it rebuilt, found out it was too rooted to rebuild.. was promised new motor months ago... still waiting for it.. its parked next to another mate who has waited nearly 12mths for his engine replacement....
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Re: Engine Conversion for Patrol Ute
« Reply #17 on: August 21, 2016, 09:09:31 PM »
Quote from: peanut2 on August 21, 2016, 04:21:59 PM
So no-one would consider the landcruiser hdfte 4.8 over the LS1?  Obviously diehard Patrol fans would not contemplate it.

Peanut

As I said above they don't comply with 2011 emissions and they're actually a 4.2 not a 4.8
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Re: Engine Conversion for Patrol Ute
« Reply #18 on: August 21, 2016, 09:55:48 PM »
Cummins.  5.9 or better yet the 6.7 ISBe.
My 6.7 is an 07 model, euro4.  300hp, 1200nm(depending on calibration) no egr, no dpf,  no adblue

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Re: Engine Conversion for Patrol Ute
« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2016, 07:19:42 AM »
Quote from: peanut2 on August 21, 2016, 10:56:32 AM
Because of the year model, we have to remain within the standards for emission control, so we can't just go and install just any motor.


Peanut

edit, was thinking capacity, not emissions.

Quote from: oldmate on August 21, 2016, 03:24:02 PM
have just being through this, and ended up fixing the 3lt


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Re: Engine Conversion for Patrol Ute
« Reply #20 on: August 22, 2016, 08:20:21 AM »
Quote from: oldmate on August 21, 2016, 03:24:02 PM
have just being through this, and ended up fixing the 3lt

I was wondering which way you ended up going.

Quote from: kylarama on August 21, 2016, 02:07:17 PM
A forum member on here fitted a Ford Barra 4L 6 cylinder out of a BA - FG Falcon to a Patrol wagon.  Looked like a really neat conversion.  Those Barra engines are pretty bullet proof and you can pick up low k units from wreckers complete with accessories and harness for well under $1000. No where near as grunty as an LS1, but with 190kw. It would go pretty good with reasonable economy.

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Yeah FG with the six speed auto. Goes really good and a pleasure to drive, but probably wouldn't do it again given a choice. Too many electrical headaches. But you will find that with most conversion options that need to meet that years emissions.
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Re: Engine Conversion for Patrol Ute
« Reply #21 on: August 22, 2016, 08:36:23 AM »
Quote from: GUEY on August 22, 2016, 08:20:21 AM
I was wondering which way you ended up going.

Yeah FG with the six speed auto. Goes really good and a pleasure to drive, but probably wouldn't do it again given a choice. Too many electrical headaches. But you will find that with most conversion options that need to meet that years emissions.

Yeah mate, after our chat and with a few others I decided that for a wife's daily drive I just needed it to run. If it was a toy or my casual drive and I had time to chase any problems that may occur, maybe I would of done it.
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Re: Engine Conversion for Patrol Ute
« Reply #22 on: August 22, 2016, 09:34:32 AM »
Shame if the FTE is out coz of emmisions. They turn a strong but gutless ute into something almost worth owning. I have two mates with them (FTE powered Pootrol utes) and both are great tourers.
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Re: Engine Conversion for Patrol Ute
« Reply #23 on: August 22, 2016, 10:11:10 AM »
Could always just go O'l Skool and slot in an older V8 basic conversion  of your preference [ non injected ] set it up on LPG only ..Fit a  gas research carby, shave the heads  and up the compression to 12.5 to 1 or more / good cam, adjust the timing and enjoy the power and slightly cheaper fuel costs of gas..
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Re: Engine Conversion for Patrol Ute
« Reply #24 on: August 22, 2016, 10:39:45 AM »
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