Can you purchase a new 4wd and just drive it?

[J.R]

What happened to dropping a lot of coin an a new 4wd and just drive it?

It seams everyone is saying you need to modify the EGR, fit a NADS (Patrol), use manual mode in the Challenger instead of just leaving it drive.

We are looking a purchasing a new vehicle. The D Max is top of the list due to the Izuzu engine and gear box.

It seems most other models require additional modifications just to get any decent KM's out of them.

Am I wrong? Is there something I can drive straight from the dealer and tow my van around Australia with no additional modifications?

[chisel]

Personally I would say if you are
1. Not doing serious difficult offroading
2. Your van is below probably 2000kg

then yes, almost all the 4wds utes and wagons on the market will do that straight out of the dealership.

If you want to tow >2000kg you might want to beef up the suspension but I'm sure a few vehicles cope just fine with 3000kg with no mods.

[gnomeo]

I just bought a new Hilux SR dual cab and it will not be receiving any mods.

1. It doesn't need them for what I want to do

2. I dont have the cash to spend on it

3. I plan to turn it over regularly (12-18 months)

It's getting a uhf radio and I have 6 B&S run to a Andersen plug on the headboard of the tray and the dash cam is stuck to the windscreen. All that gear will transfer to the next vehicle but basically it will remain stock

[KingBilly]

Yes and no.

As for the EGR side of things, if you are only looking at owning the vehicle for 150,000kms and then selling it, just buy it, drive it and enjoy.  If you are looking longer term, you would need to think about modifying the EGR system to prevent the intake manifold clogging up.  Either a retune to delete the EGR or a blanking plate or a catch can or a combination.  All diesel engines will be the same due to current anti-pollution requirements.

All new fourbies have suspensions designed and tuned for comfort, because that is what the vast majority of consumers want.  If you want a suspension to handle endless kms of corrugations and/or to tow a van or camper, you will need to spend money on the suspension at some stage.  If you are sticking to the black top and an occasional NP, just buy it and drive it.

As for the Isuzus, they have a strong, reliable and proven engine coupled to a strong, reliable auto box and tow very well.  Stick it in D for drive and enjoy.

Good luck with your decisions.
KB

[Hoyks]

I bought a brand new $41000 BT50, fitted a snorkel the 1st week I owned it, week 2 I stuck my camper on the back and drove it to Newcastle for work for 3 weeks.
Along the way I found the rear springs were a bit on the soft side for the combined mass, so ordered some upgraded the springs. When I got home I fitted the heavier springs, strapped on some A/T tyres and headed to the The Cape.

It could have done the trip straight off the show room floor, water on The Cape was low everywhere we went, I could have got by with the stock tyres, but, with the stock springs I would have kept bottoming out, the air cleaner would probably have been clogged up with dust and the A/T's were stronger an dprobably saved me a puncture.

So you can head out with a stock vehicle, but a vehicle with a few mods will probably do it easier.

[Jakster1]

Seems the newer Dmax Utes are having strength and reliability issues. There are quite a few guys that actually use them as a 4wd that have had dramas with driveline strength issues. Also reports of drivetrain reliability issues. I don't believe they are still what they used to be. Also the rest of the vehicle needs to stand up as well as a motor for it to be any better than the others. This is why a 4.2 GU patrol is worth its weight in gold, bulletproof driveline and a motor and box that goes forever. But yeah these are not available anymore.
I own a dmax and it's ok, but definitely not fantastic offroad in standard form. My next ute will probably be another hilux again, not the best on paper but from my experience the most reliable, robust and if something does break then easily repairable of that category of vehicle.
If you plan to give it an easy life and not go offroad seriously and just tow a reasonable load then the dmax with a suspension upgrade will be a good rig.

[KingBilly]

My apologies.  I made a mistake

KB

[jetcrew]

Hello

[Jakster1]

Chill King Billy, you are mistaking me for someone else. For a start, Jakster1 is exclusive to my swag, nowhere else. And I don't comment on any other forums so just take a breath and settle down. IM NOT WHO YOU THINK I AM.
I am merely commenting to the OP and giving  my opinion of my personal vehicle that I drive everyday.

[jetcrew]

To the OP ..Yes you can just drive one ..I have thought about what to next in regards to 4X4.. and to be honest I think i will just buy one drive the pants off it for 3-4yrs and then swap it out for a new one.

Saw plenty of standard cars up the cape and no doubt will see plent up the Kimberley as well.

jet      

[KingBilly]

My apologies Jakster1.  Yes I did make a mistake and confuse you with another Jack.  Sorry

KB

[Jakster1]

All good

[heath74]

One of the reasons I went for a petrol this time. One less thing to modify

[Meken]

Landrover discovery 4 - you'll drag a 3.5 tonne van all over Australia in comfort straight off the showroom floor (well you'll need an electric brake controller fitted - but that'll apply to all vehicles). Excellent economy from a very strong v6 diesel - drives like a car not a truck. AND if you want to do some serious off-roading, well it'll do that too without a lift kit! Incredibly strong monocoque shell on full ladder chassis construction. Independent suspension which is why it drives like a sports car + you'll fit half your house in the back.


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[filcar]

...Am I wrong? Is there something I can drive straight from the dealer and tow my van around Australia with no additional modifications?

if you can find a new one, any of the Land Rover Defender models will do that, otherwise like Meken says a disco 4, but that is a lot of coin

[geopaj]

I would say yes...

I've crossed the Simpson twice. First time was in 1993 in a mate's fathers almost new and completely stock Pajero (even had stock tires). Second time was in 2014. In 2014 one of our group took their under 2 yr old Patrol which was machanically completely stock (had a ARB bullbar).

Both vehicles did the Simpson crossing without incident.

I think modifications come into play when you want to travel in more comfort (ie suspension, water tanks, roof top tents, dual battery's, etc),  or long term reliability in extreme conditions (ie snorkel, etc).

In saying this, I always add light truck tires (puncture resistance), suspension (off-road comfort & clearance), and dual batteries (for the fridge - which is in the 'comfort' category) to my vehicles before heading off-road.

[shanegtr]

Landrover discovery 4 - you'll drag a 3.5 tonne van all over Australia in comfort straight off the showroom floor (well you'll need an electric brake controller fitted - but that'll apply to all vehicles). Excellent economy from a very strong v6 diesel - drives like a car not a truck. AND if you want to do some serious off-roading, well it'll do that too without a lift kit! Incredibly strong monocoque shell on full ladder chassis construction. Independent suspension which is why it drives like a sports car + you'll fit half your house in the back.


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And don't even need to touch the suspension on them when towing heavy loads either - air suspension is great. Only down side with a new one is theres not much in the way of dealer support outside of capital cities

[GeoffA]

...... Incredibly strong monocoque shell on full ladder chassis construction.....

How does that work?? Hedging their bets, perhaps??

 

[GeoffA]

......Only down side with a new one is theres not much in the way of dealer support outside of capital cities

....and that's a biggie....

[shanegtr]

....and that's a biggie....

Not an issue to me, but then again mine is long out of warrenty

[plusnq]

And if your in warranty then they come and get you anyway with the Landrover assist. The wide distribution of service centers has definitely been Toyotas biggest asset .

[UIZ733]

And if your in warranty then they come and get you anyway with the Landrover assist. The wide distribution of service centers has definitely been Toyotas biggest asset .

Didn't think they needed them. 😊
OK I'll leave now!

[doc evil]

Almost all of the current crop of 4wds available have tyres that won't cut the mustard in any remote setting. Likewise, factory suspension won't handle any serious 4wding(including some cheap aftermarket stuff) or remote touring (how many factory/cheap suspension has failed on the canning or cape?)........
My 4.2 motor is basically stock!!!!!!!! Factory turbo was replaced with a denco to give her a bit more air in. Pump is std, as is boost. IC std, injectors std, radiator std even the fuel filter system is std. No blocked this or bypassed that.
I've also changed the diff ratios to 4.3s to bring everything back to factory as I run 33s.
11 years and 320,000km only servicing required.
The rest of the mods are to personalize it to my requirements and likes.

To be completely honest, I'd hate to get something to replace her with, there's really nothing out there that will do the kind of remote touring that I do available, well maybe an IVECO?

[Bird]

To be completely honest, I'd hate to get something to replace her with, there's really nothing out there

x eleventy!

[#jonesy]

My bog-stock hilux crossed the Simpson with only a few "mods"

Front recovery points which I didn't use
Dual battery to run the fridge.
UHF to talk to the others.
Factory tyres
Factory bash plate. This copped an absolute bashing and i now have replaced it
It also has a canopy and tub  liner fitted.