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[gronk]

Did you take the cash handout?

Who didn't ??

[tryagain]

And any body that believes the use of solar power is the reason the energy companies have increased the tariffs,  send me your address please I've got this big bridge in Sydney  I need to sell

So are you saying you don't think the FIT in any way caused Tarrifs to rise?

[prodigyrf]

Storage of electricity has always been a problem...on a large scale !

No country on earth stores electricity on a large scale, but a couple of European countries are "sort of" doing it....using windmills to pump water back up hill during the day ( when there is wind ) to run the hydro system at night .

You're right and in Oz the largest single storage of potential energy to be used for generating electricity is Tumut hydro but we already use that for storing excess coal fired power at night that would go to waste without it. Now SA has gone gung ho with wind but there are studies showing that with fossil fuel backup it only saves around 4% of the installed wind generation capacity, which is uneconomic by miles and hence the massive Govt/taxpayer subsidy required plus some of the dearest power prices in the world (the US averages around US15c /kwhr or 21c Aussie)

The best use of unreliables would be in powering desal plants where intermittency is not a major problem so long as the desired average water output occurs. The irony is with all Tim Flannery's rain that wasn't going to fall, the desal plants mostly sit idle while we clear away all the water to try find his drought underneath.

While Elon Musk and Telsla tap the global idle rich with expensive feelgood perhaps flow battery technology will make economic sense for large commercial/industrial users in the medium to longer term but I doubt the average burban punter will going off grid any time soon. Swaggers would know that better than most with their camping solar.

 

[muzza01]

You might not like the term sponging but I cant see any way that it can honestly be looked at other than participants being able to gain a significant financial advantage at the expense of those not so well off.

I am not a sponge and I take offence at being called one for putting solar panels on my roof.  I have worked hard all my life, paid my taxes and deployed overseas in war like operations representing this country.

You might not like the term "Go fark ur self" but I can't see any way that I can honestly answer your stupid rant.

[plusnq]

I think this technology seems to show some promise especially in countries like Australia. There are trial plants going in at the moment. One is in South Australia.

http://www.solarreserve.com/en/technology/molten-salt-energy-storage

[Snapman007]

Pretty sure I did and don't really have any qualms about it. I don't follow why you would have issues taking that but not the FIT. I am not passing judgment on anyone who took part in the 44c FIT, if I were in a position to take part in it I may have but I wouldn't be kidding myself about its fairness.

Your a hypocrite. Your happy to accept a tax payer funded cash handout but you begrudge the people who took up the solar just because you weren't in a position too. 🤑

[Hairs]

Hmmm,
With the Broken Hill Solar Plant, who's subsidizing it?
http://www.gizmag.com/australia-nyngan-broken-hill-solar-photovoltaic-plants/41462/
 

[gronk]

I think this technology seems to show some promise especially in countries like Australia. There are trial plants going in at the moment. One is in South Australia.

http://www.solarreserve.com/en/technology/molten-salt-energy-storage

Sounds too good to be true ?  Cost for a huge plant ? Sodium nitrate....same stuff used in explosives....?

[tryagain]

I am not a sponge and I take offence at being called one for putting solar panels on my roof.

I never said you were a sponge, I don't think the term in this instance is really applicable, I did pause before posting my comment thinking some people who participated in this scheme might take offence but just kept to the facts as I see them and am more than happy for these to be challenged.

I have worked hard all my life, paid my taxes and deployed overseas in war like operations representing this country.

Sounds like you have been a good Australian, but this doesn't in anyway prove or disprove the fairness of this scheme.

You might not like the term "Go fark ur self" but I can't see any way that I can honestly answer your stupid rant.

You can use whatever terms you like but I find when people start playing the man not the ball there is a reason, I choose to believe in this instance it because I am revealing the other side of the coin. As I said happy to have my views challenged and remain civil.

[plusnq]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-23/developer-of-australian-first-solar-thermal-pilot-plant/7051578

[gronk]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-23/developer-of-australian-first-solar-thermal-pilot-plant/7051578

Cost would be huge for a 600Mw station !  What if there isn't any sun for a week ?

But at least someone is trying.  Someone like BHP should be investing in something similar....seeing as their ore prices are crap !!

[tryagain]

Your a hypocrite. Your happy to accept a tax payer funded cash handout but you begrudge the people who took up the solar just because you weren't in a position too. 🤑

Didn't you say you did the reverse?

Here is why I say its different. The 44c FIT is, as I understand it funded by an increase in the general tariff which is paid indiscriminately by electricity consumers no matter their financial situation.

The stimulus was paid from general government revenue which includes income taxes (form which those who have more pay more and those with less pay less) as well as business taxes, resource rents etc etc.

The stimulus was also available to everyone who had paid taxes in the previous year (from memory) where as the rooftop solar was only available to those who owned property and had the means to be able to purchase the solar systems.   

The funding models were not so apparent when people signed up which is a big reason why I don't judge anyone who did and as I have said I may have if I were in a position to be able to do so.
I don't in anyway begrudge people putting solar on there roof or even getting some compensation for positively contributing to the environment which benefits us all, but I do have issues with people gaining significant financial benefit at the cost of others especially when    that by design is the less well off.

[plusnq]

Cost would be huge for a 600Mw station !  What if there isn't any sun for a week ?

But at least someone is trying.  Someone like BHP should be investing in something similar....seeing as their ore prices are crap !!

Apparently it loses a degree Fahrenheit a day. So considering it heats up to 600 degrees, it shouldn't really be an issue I suspect.

[Snapman007]

That's correct, both my wife and I didn't take the cash handout but I have zero issues with anyone that did. The money was there for the taking and in hind sight I would take it. 
Your earlier comment about the solar was suggesting we were taking food off our neighbours tables.
If you are unhappy about it, don't direct it to the people who signed up but towards those that voted for that government. Who did you vote for?

[cruiser 91]

Didn't you say you did the reverse?

Here is why I say its different. The 44c FIT is, as I understand it funded by an increase in the general tariff which is paid indiscriminately by electricity consumers no matter their financial situation.

The stimulus was paid from general government revenue which includes income taxes (form which those who have more pay more and those with less pay less) as well as business taxes, resource rents etc etc.

The stimulus was also available to everyone who had paid taxes in the previous year (from memory) where as the rooftop solar was only available to those who owned property and had the means to be able to purchase the solar systems.   

The funding models were not so apparent when people signed up which is a big reason why I don't judge anyone who did and as I have said I may have if I were in a position to be able to do so.
I don't in anyway begrudge people putting solar on there roof or even getting some compensation for positively contributing to the environment which benefits us all, but I do have issues with people gaining significant financial benefit at the cost of others especially when    that by design is the less well off.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm. So you don't own or purchase anything? Everything you buy and pay for has something to do with your last statement.
You wouldnt happen to own any clothing made in sweat shops oversea's would you?

[muzza01]

I never said you were a sponge, I don't think the term in this instance is really applicable, I did pause before posting my comment thinking some people who participated in this scheme might take offence but just kept to the facts as I see them and am more than happy for these to be challenged.

You should of paused a lot longer. A lot of people have solar panels on their roof. They havnt sponged of others to do it. More likely hey have worked bloody hard and made a lot of sacrifices to do it.

Sounds like you have been a good Australian, but this doesn't in anyway prove or disprove the fairness of this scheme.

It's not fair?  Really? Life's like that. Maybe you you need a tissue and a cuddle. 

You can use whatever terms you like but I find when people start playing the man not the ball there is a reason, I choose to believe in this instance it because I am revealing the other side of the coin. As I said happy to have my views challenged and remain civil.


All you are revealing is that you are a bit precious. I wish I had the money for a new Landcruiser but I don't.  I don't go on a rant saying it's not fair.

[Moggy]

And any body that believes the use of solar power is the reason the energy companies have increased the tariffs,  send me your address please I've got this big bridge in Sydney  I need to sell

PM sent with address, can you deliver?

Actually my BIL is 2ic at ergon in twmba & confirmed that that IS  exactly reason for tariff rises, though in Qld they have now resorted to increasing the "Service Fee" as nobody challenges that


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[Hairs]

Yep, we are one of those house holds that made a finical decision to draw against our home loan and make extra payments being told we would be doing a good thing, not just for the environment, but also for our own financial benefit.
Little did we know the sh1t fight it would cause from some accusing those that took it on that we were driving up the price of power for all and made to feel like we were the cause of their power increases.
Just another government scheme that has cost us all.

Which way to go now



 

[gronk]

Apparently it loses a degree Fahrenheit a day. So considering it heats up to 600 degrees, it shouldn't really be an issue I suspect.

One degree a day sounds like VERY good insulation, but yes, the blurb sounds great, but we'll see how good the outcome when it comes on line ( if it hasn't already ).

[tryagain]

Hmmmmmmmmmmm. So you don't own or purchase anything? Everything you buy and pay for has something to do with your last statement.
You wouldnt happen to own any clothing made in sweat shops oversea's would you?

hmmmmmm is about right, I guess if you miss read the comment, take it out of context and apply it to a incomparable situation you have a point. 

Just in case I need to spell out the difference, the 44c feed in tariff is the equivalent to me making a purchase paying for it up front and the expecting others less well off to pay for it several times over without them getting anything in return.

[gronk]

Little did we know the sh1t fight it would cause from some accusing those that took it on that we were driving up the price of power for all and made to feel like we were the cause of their power increases.

If it wasn't solar, it would be normal increases driving up prices anyway !

I see panels on other peoples roofs and really don't have an opinion on them either way, but if I was rich enough to have an off grid solar setup capable of running pool pumps ( filtration and solar heating ) and air conditioning, plus compressors for my workshop ( don't forget I'm rich !! ), then hell yeh, I'm there......

[Hairs]

If it wasn't solar, it would be normal increases driving up prices anyway !
Cheers mate, I guess I'm sick of some that believe that we are the reason for thier problems.

I see panels on other peoples roofs and really don't have an opinion on them either way, but if I was rich enough to have an off grid solar setup capable of running pool pumps ( filtration and solar heating ) and air conditioning, plus compressors for my workshop ( don't forget I'm rich !! ), then hell yeh, I'm there......
I see many solar systems in my travels each day around the Clarence Valley and I don't judge or even think about how/why, I say good on them  .

[duggie]

hmmmmmm is about right, I guess if you miss read the comment, take it out of context and apply it to a incomparable situation you have a point. 

Just in case I need to spell out the difference, the 44c feed in tariff is the equivalent to me making a purchase paying for it up front and the expecting others less well off to pay for it several times over without them getting anything in return.

I am having trouble understanding where you are coming from with all your posts on this subject.

I borrowed $10,000.00 plus another $1,000.00 deposit to be able to fit up my house with solar. I am not rich, I made the decision that when I get older, I do not want to be paying power bills. So while I could afford the repayments I went ahead with the solar set up.

There are many people who were on pensions and went ahead with the solar scheme , they too paid off the loan and now are reaping the cheaper power that we all were signed up for.

As far as using others tax dollars to support this, in the past 20 years of my working life ( I have been working and paying tax for over 40 years ) I have paid to the Australian  Tax Department in excess of $ 750,000.00 .

I think that I am entitled to get some of my tax dollars back.

[Rumpig]

And any body that believes the use of solar power is the reason the energy companies have increased the tariffs,  send me your address please I've got this big bridge in Sydney  I need to sell

[Banjo16]

Looks like another case of here we go again,let's all go camping instead.