Home Solar & Subsidized Feed In Tariff Qld

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Looks like another case of here we go again,let's all go camping instead.

And setup our Solar panels to keep our beers ice cold 

 

[briann532]

.................... I think that I am entitled to get some of my tax dollars back.

Sorry Duggie - That's where you're WRONG!!!!!!

You're a worker. Just bend over, keep paying and suck it up.....

Just kidding mate. Its always the hard working honest ones that get shafted!
Enjoy the benefits of you're investment and talk about it round a BIG a$5 campfire offsetting your carbon footprint!!!

Cheers mate.
Brian

[tryagain]

I never said you were a sponge, I don't think the term in this instance is really applicable, I did pause before posting my comment thinking some people who participated in this scheme might take offence but just kept to the facts as I see them and am more than happy for these to be challenged.

You should of paused a lot longer. A lot of people have solar panels on their roof. They havnt sponged of others to do it. More likely hey have worked bloody hard and made a lot of sacrifices to do it.

I have specified in several of my comments that this is directed at people on the 44c FIT, if they made sacrifices it would only be in the short term and they are then overly compensated for it going into the future, paid for by the people who don't. Yes some people will have worked bloody hard to get the solar panels on their roof, and then others will have to work bloody hard to pay for the FIT with nothing in return.

Sounds like you have been a good Australian, but this doesn't in anyway prove or disprove the fairness of this scheme.

It's not fair?  Really? Life's like that. Maybe you you need a tissue and a cuddle. 

I can always do with a cuddle,  I think with the limitations of forums you have mistaken my care factor,
knowing that my electricity bill is higher because of others FIT probably makes me mildly annoyed if I think about it. When someone carry's on about how good they have it with their 44cFIT or asks how they can try and game the system to continue taking advantage of it and knowing that those with the least are having to chip in for their FIT is what raises up my annoyance levels enough to comment on a forum.

You can use whatever terms you like but I find when people start playing the man not the ball there is a reason, I choose to believe in this instance it because I am revealing the other side of the coin. As I said happy to have my views challenged and remain civil.


All you are revealing is that you are a bit precious. I wish I had the money for a new Landcruiser but I don't.  I don't go on a rant saying it's not fair.
 

This was not me going on a rant, far from it, this is me in choosing my words carefully to use as least emotive words as possible, maybe I should have a go in the rant thread to show you what the difference is. As alluded in the previous comment me complaining that this isn't fair is not me having a whinge about my lot in life, I am happy enough with that. It is me pointing out the injustice of those who are far worse of than me having to pay for the FIT of people who have much more.     

[Banjo16]

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[Snapman007]

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There's a big difference between being envious and jealous.🌵

[Bill]

I have specified in several of my comments that this is directed at people on the 44c FIT, if they made sacrifices it would only be in the short term and they are then overly compensated for it going into the future, paid for by the people who don't. Yes some people will have worked bloody hard to get the solar panels on their roof, and then others will have to work bloody hard to pay for the FIT with nothing in return.

I am on the 44c FIT.
I certainly made sacrafices to pay for my solar.
So obviously your talking about me.
But I dont care  what anyone thinks of me or my solar, especially someone in cyberspace Ive never met nor am I likely to ever meet.
But I have to say, You sure are entertaining to read in this thread. 
Bill

[tryagain]

Yep, we are one of those house holds that made a finical decision to draw against our home loan and make extra payments being told we would be doing a good thing, not just for the environment, but also for our own financial benefit.
Little did we know the sh1t fight it would cause from some accusing those that took it on that we were driving up the price of power for all and made to feel like we were the cause of their power increases.
Just another government scheme that has cost us all.

You made a good decision for the right reasons, the Government of the day just didn't set the scheme up well at all.

Which way to go now

As the entry to the 44c FIT ended long ago its not going to drive up prices any more and as people drop out they wont lower them again so keep on taking it. If you feel conflicted maybe give a little extra to the next flood/bush-fire/disaster appeal when it inevitably happens. I am not trying to make people feel bad for something they did with good intentions but am trying to point out the flaws of a terribly thought out scheme and why it was ended especially to those who are trying to game it to get extra FIT.

[tryagain]

That's correct, both my wife and I didn't take the cash handout but I have zero issues with anyone that did. The money was there for the taking and in hind sight I would take it. 
Your earlier comment about the solar was suggesting we were taking food off our neighbours tables.
If you are unhappy about it, don't direct it to the people who signed up but towards those that voted for that government. Who did you vote for?

Certainly not them! although no government is perfect. I hope that my original "terrible governance" the many other comments I have made since then clarify's where I aim the blame. 

Your earlier comment about the solar was suggesting we were taking food off our neighbours tables.

Which one was that?

[rotare]

I'm certain there's been hundreds of different subsidies and schemes offered over time by the government.  Some are offered to everyone, some are only offered to certain groups.   Isn't living "smartly" making most of what is on offer to you without breaking the law?

Can't see the point in berating people for making a choice simply because others decided not to.

[tryagain]

I am having trouble understanding where you are coming from with all your posts on this subject.

I borrowed $10,000.00 plus another $1,000.00 deposit to be able to fit up my house with solar. I am not rich, I made the decision that when I get older, I do not want to be paying power bills. So while I could afford the repayments I went ahead with the solar set up.

There are many people who were on pensions and went ahead with the solar scheme , they too paid off the loan and now are reaping the cheaper power that we all were signed up for.

As far as using others tax dollars to support this, in the past 20 years of my working life ( I have been working and paying tax for over 40 years ) I have paid to the Australian  Tax Department in excess of $ 750,000.00 .

I think that I am entitled to get some of my tax dollars back.

If it was actually tax dollars you were getting back I wouldn't have many issues with it. Unfortunately the government didn't set it up that way. Hope this clarifies it a bit.

[Snapman007]

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[tryagain]

It's all good banjo, just robust discussion. 👍👍🏾

Ahh at last we agree, maybe except the bit where Muzza told me to go !@#* myself.

There's a big difference between being envious and jealous.🌵

 I am not sure what you mean by this
http://www.diffen.com/difference/Envy_vs_Jealousy ?

[cruiser 91]

I remember when petrol was 38c a litre. Today its anywhere from $1.20 to $1.50, dam those that are on 44c FIT!

[briann532]

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WHAT? 
You mean I can't mention the 66c FIT?

 

[gronk]

If I was to install panels tomorrow, what is the best FIT I could expect from anybody ??

[cruiser 91]

ok, ok.

Dam the capital gains tax
Dam the family tax benefit
Dam the first home owners grant
Dam the small business start up grant
Dam social security
should I go on?

Dam those that are better looking than most of us.

[cruiser 91]

If I was to install panels tomorrow, what is the best FIT I could expect from anybody ??

Bugger all, start working night shift.

Dam those shift rates 

[xcvator]

PM sent with address, can you deliver?

Actually my BIL is 2ic at ergon in twmba & confirmed that that IS  exactly reason for tariff rises, though in Qld they have now resorted to increasing the "Service Fee" as nobody challenges that


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Can I make a suggestion, go and ask your bil if the energy companies are going to DROP the tariffs AFTER all the 44c fit's end.
I bet he'll just laugh and ask if you're joking.
Energy company ceo's are the same as politicians and will spin the lies and truths to suit themselves.

[xcvator]

If I was to install panels tomorrow, what is the best FIT I could expect from anybody ??

About 6c

[cruiser 91]

Just to clear up that those on a nice FIT caused the price of electricity to go up...........its false.

My son works for SA Power Networks formerly known as ESTA. These guys earn mine money with the luxury of going home each night. All their equipment and machinery are first class and is changed over for new every few years. They are also owned by a foreign company and need to keep share holders happy. Starting to get my drift? You think banks are the only ones ripping us off? think again. 

[briann532]

Not trying to fuel a fire........... BUT................

I camp for a month every year without power and survive VERY comfortably.
If you want to save power, don't use it.....

Its really that simple.

Now before you think I've fallen off my tree or had too many reds (as if that could happen - It would like Speewa having to many green cans!!!)
I'm deadly serious.
We have pages of threads talking about led lighting. Why not integrate it into your home?

We are setting up down at our property to run entirely off grid.
A few solar panels, gas for the HWS and everything run off 12volt.
OK no AC, but if you need that, then sacrifice the cost or upgrade to more panels.
It can be done and very cheaply.
I recently setup a caravan with a 260watt solar system for under $400.
Add the cost of a decent deep cycle battery and you have 4 -5 years of trouble free power.
Can run the fridge, lights and charge laptops, ipoods and fit twats etc etc.

We pay for the convenience of being able to flick a switch in our house, then complain about the cost.
Yep, I'm guilty too.
Currently have the AC on, ceiling fans going, 2 x TV's, lord know how many appliances such as DVD, clock, PC, printer, and the 25 lights my kids are unable to turn off.

[tryagain]

I'm certain there's been hundreds of different subsidies and schemes offered over time by the government.  Some are offered to everyone, some are only offered to certain groups.   Isn't living "smartly" making most of what is on offer to you without breaking the law?

Can't see the point in berating people for making a choice simply because others decided not to.

Yep, probably still are. I cant think of any other though where the poorest third (renters) are excluded and then expected to directly pay those that took advantage of it to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars on top of their actual costs. Not berating people for taking advantage of it but for ignorant comments like anyone could of taken advantage of it or trying to pretend that its not their neighbors paying for it.   

edit, by directly pay I don't mean walk over and hand them a wad of cash but directly through increased electricity costs as opposed to general government revenue.

[gronk]

Currently have the AC on, ceiling fans going, 2 x TV's, lord know how many appliances such as DVD, clock, PC, printer, and the 25 lights my kids are unable to turn off.

That will be hard to train the rest of your family to avoid those luxuries !!   

[Bill]

Yep, probably still are. I cant think of any other though where the poorest third (renters) are excluded and then expected to directly pay those that took advantage of it to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars on top of their actual costs. Not berating people for taking advantage of it but for ignorant comments like anyone could of taken advantage of it or trying to pretend that its not their neighbors paying for it.   

I can honestly say my neighbours do NOT pay for my FIT
I can say this because I live in a Close and we all have solar on our roofs.
Bill

[BaseCamp]

Storage of electricity has always been a problem...on a large scale !

No country on earth stores electricity on a large scale, but a couple of European countries are "sort of" doing it....using windmills to pump water back up hill during the day ( when there is wind ) to run the hydro system at night .

This guy had the key in the 1970s....   Buckminster Fuller...   Inventor and creator of many things - including bucky balls...

I am on tapatalk so I can't provide links atm...

But basically he argued that (a) the cheapest and most efficient form of base load power was large scale generation as we still have today - nearly 50 years after he put the following arguments forward. .... (coal; nukes; etc)....  (b) that large scale generation works best when run at full load 24/7... but power stations have to shed power off peak and at night etc (c) Bucky theorized that one day the technology would hopefully exist to be able to construct high tension transmission lines from nation to nation....  (d) so his idea was that the world wound need less aggregate power stations - because as the earth rotated each day - say Stanwell (Qld)  could be going full tilt during the day for Qld ...  then keep going full tilt 24/7 sending / selling its power 1,000s kms on high power transmission lines to another country in asia that was still in peak hours

(E) He wrote that this concept could be extrapolated all the way around the world. ....   As long as the ultra long distance transmission lines existed. ..   Power Generation at night being "load shifted" / sold to other parts of the world still in peak daylight conditions

He also said that abundant "free and efficient" power distribution like this would drag the 3rd world out of poverty. ...

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