Do you consider this sexist?

[time]

Maybe people should just "HARDEN THE ACT OF FORNICATION UP". Sorry if that offends anyone.
Cheers

Your original post asked "What I am trying to do is get a feel from "real people" on whether they would consider this meme to be sexual harassment, or as it was meant as a (jokey) sign of respect, no matter how tacky that may look."

Clearly from your last post you are not interested in views of people who disagree with you.  I refer to my original comment, "If you can't see how obviously offensive this would be to that employee then ........" to finish that line perhaps I should have added "don't ask"

Now can we start a thread that deals with religion and politics

[terravista]

Clearly from your last post you are not interested in views of people who disagree with you.  I refer to my original comment, "If you can't see how obviously offensive this would be to that employee then ........" to finish that line perhaps I should have added "don't ask"

I can see where you are coming from, do appreciate the responses and value the different opinions received.
My last response was not really related to the original post or the observations from forum members but the latest episode of a stalking complaint made to the police over the same matter.
Irrespective of this, I asked the question, I have read the 3 pages of responses, but was not aware that I was prohibited from having an opinion on the subject I started. Sorry for your inconvenience.
Cheers
Ian

[slydar]

He has given her money when in need of it with no expectation of it being refunded, (and no sexual favours asked for) done repairs to her house without payment, given her heaps of time off when needed, and now after leaving what he thought was a joke, looks like being severely punished.
 

hmm, this sounds familiar - had a partner some years ago was much the same - all was good when she got what she needed from me financially and personally, fronted up to people she claimed were bullying her etc but as soon as I had to start doing more for myself (new job) and paying formal child support to my estranged kids mother out came the claws - will never understand why she chose to make me out to be such an evil nasty person, other than the fact that she had to if she wanted other people to do anything for her. sometimes changing your entire life for a 'needy' person just isn't enough for them

have seen so many other similar scenarios...

[Bird]

...Bring on the end of the world.

Very disappointed
http://www.theage.com.au/technology/sci-tech/nasa-declares-world-is-not-going-to-end-with-asteroid-near-puerto-rico-in-september-20150821-gj4u6n.html

[SteveandViv]

I'd be more than happy to go back to 1984 and stay there... This world has turned very sad and pathetic these days

Bring on

A great grab from Star Trek

[Troopy_03]

Awe Gee, Thanks Bruce......

I thought his name was percy???

[vicandug]

If it was me, well I would have laughed if I was mates with the person who delivered it but if it was a person who I didn't know very well then I would probably think differently.
In these times its really hard to judge how people will take things.

But in the work place you really need to be careful what you say, how you say it and to who you say it.  Better off saying nothing to anyone I think.

[Troopy_03]

OK, so being a bit older and slower, help me to come to grips with this.... Would it be OK then, if the person who received the card was a hermaphrodite?

[Oldandslow]

I'm with Bird, it is becoming a sad world.

So many people just walk around looking for ways to make a quick dollar without actually working for it.

[heath74]

Whether you or I find it offensive, on this forum is irrelevant.

I think it's a fair expectation that a woman, no matter how many husbands she's had and insurance claims she has put in, can go to work without notes left on her desk about her vagina.

But hey, call me old school.

[Marschy]

Whether you or I find it offensive, on this forum is irrelevant.

I think it's a fair expectation that a woman, no matter how many husbands she's had and insurance claims she has put in, can go to work without notes left on her desk about her vagina.

But hey, call me old school.

Well said.

This thread is BS. I wouldn't call you old school, I'd call you a gentleman.

[terravista]

Whether you or I find it offensive, on this forum is irrelevant.

I think it's a fair expectation that a woman, no matter how many husbands she's had and insurance claims she has put in, can go to work without notes left on her desk about her vagina.

But hey, call me old school.

I have no problems with old school but old school to me apart from common courtesy is  making informed decisions.
You claim that the members opinions on this forum are irrelevent. I disagree. The question was originally put to find what peoples opinions were, and I appreciate the time the forum members have taken to respond. Thier opinions do matter to me.
This meme has a female outline that appears to be Victorian era and the first party words from her relate to her, not anyone else. The words to me could be replaced with "although I am a woman".
If this meme showed the same character saying "I may have breast cancer but I can still do a hard days work" it should not be related to the breasts of a person who read it. Also, if someone had written the victims name or substituted her image onto the meme, I would have a different opinion and fully agree with the majority of the respondents, but I have read the meme with a different interpretation.

[rockinj]

yes, the fact that the boss did it is despicable.
As someone else said, imagine if it was your daughter that was given this. Times have not changed in this regard, it has never been acceptable to be discusting to others. The fact that some people think this is allowable reflects their maturity level.

[GeoffA]

yes, the fact that the boss did it is despicable.
As someone else said, imagine if it was your daughter that was given this. Times have not changed in this regard, it has never been acceptable to be discusting to others. The fact that some people think this is allowable reflects their maturity level.

 

It wasn't a random act. They have known each other for some time, and seem to have had a very good relationship.
It was clearly a joke, between two friends that just happen to work together.
It's sad what the smell of money will do.....

If my daughter was given something like this, she'd respond in kind, not with feigned indignance and a cash grab.

[Jeepers Creepers]

I agree with you Geoff......

Too many people take life way to seriously. (especially seeing as its not forever..... its only temporary)

People should learn to laugh at themselves, everyone else is. 

[robbo1172]

These things only take on the meaning that those reading them give them. Some people have a giggle others take offence. Me? Just a skinny little white vego that does not give one rats bum what people say to/about him. That said, I wouldn't leave that on someone's desk. Their reaction could be different on any day due to any number of different factors. Anyway, when ya see me be sure to ask me "how's ya bum for grubs"


rockfactor.com.au

[Jeepers Creepers]

When I was with the Bob Jane Group, I rang the Qld Govt. workshop to get an order number for a car.

I said the same thing, "Hey mate, how's ya bum for grubs"

The bloke was highly offended and carried on as if i'd called his mum a whore. 

[heath74]

Yep we all take things differently, and you never know how some people will take what you see as a joke, some of us are highly resilient and can easily enjoy a bit of banter. Many of us have the skills to keep it on track, and if someone gets close the the line we are able to let them know without lodging complaints etc. Good natured banter is a huge part of Australian, especially male, communication and a sign of friendship.

However some where along the line, (maybe not this meme, but generally speaking) banter can turn to bullying, and that's why we have workplace safety laws in place. The training I've always been put through insists that it is the victim who gets to define whether it's harassment or a joke. Which is why I make the comment that our thoughts are irrelevant - with respect to this case and what fair work will find- for the OP to get a few opinions of course they are relevant. Having said that context should be considered, some conversation is great for the footy club rooms, the public bar and the camp fire, but for me work is different, I really think we all have a right to go to work without things such as that meme.
If you are wondering why I'm passionate about this, have a read here.

http://www.justice.vic.gov.au/home/safer+communities/crime+prevention/bullying+-+brodies+law

Not saying it's the same as the case discussed in the thread, but I do think it's a slippery slope, and what starts as a bit of a laugh can get out of hand, and the results can be very serious.

[D4D]

Is this thread still going?

[rockinj]

I bow out; you obviously want to be told the boss is a poor, hard done by bloke and that the female in question is a user who should be able to laugh off any sexual harassment as it was 'just a joke'.
Sorry - I'm not going to tell you what you want to hear. You seem to be missing the point that as THE BOSS this person needs to be doing everything by the book. Leaving written sexual notes for a female employee especially without any context given is unacceptable.
Lead by example - what a great example to set. (NOT)

[GeoffA]

 

[edz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTbgsoHDc24

[prodigyrf]

"The office this occurred has 1 full time male employee (me) two part time women, and a couple of hours a day the owner/manager drops in.
He has given her money when in need of it with no expectation of it being refunded, (and no sexual favours asked for) done repairs to her house without payment, given her heaps of time off when needed, and now after leaving what he thought was a joke, looks like being severely punished."

And then there's a stalking complaint related to the same matter and cougar, 2 husbands with 2 kids, dodgy MV claim, seeing shrinks, etc.

OK I've worked in the building game and running factory production among others and yes as the boss you're sometimes wetnurse, shrink, social-worker, financial and lay legal advisor, as well as trying to cope with failed marriages and relationships that seem the preserve of the working classes. You do the best you can to try and prevent your customers being dragged into the fallout from it all and you have to be judicious when some want an advance on their wages for the latest pickle they're in. It's how we lose our hair or what hangs on turns grey or white.

All I'd say terravista is the plot has thickened somewhat and be very careful you have the whole story because from experience it's a tangled web we weave sometimes and furthermore Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned as the Bard once noted. If you're ever asked you stick strictly to what you observed and know for a fact.

[stabicraft]

Mary had a little lamb....................no scrub that cant use and gender
Someone had a little lamb...............no scrub that it upsets the vegans.

oh Ill try again, more gender neutral

Jack and Jill went up the hill............No scrub that, what about same sex couples?
Jacck and Jim, Mary and Maude,................Oh forgat that too hard

Humpy Dumpty sat on a wall.....................sounds reasonably safe so far
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall.................Oh no, looking like a litigation issue coming up.
All the kings horses and all the kings men couldnt put Humpdy together again.........opps gratuitous violence, unqualified medical treatment, no no no , this is no good either

Little Jack Horner, sat in a corner...............o-oh here comes the complaints about abusing children, oh yeah, and its Jack , so we have the sexist issue again.

Guess we will have to stay put on animals.

Barr, barr black ........hang on there just one mi......Barr barr rainbow sheep......WHAT?? since when are there homosexual sheep?

Forget it

There is no nursery rhymes that are suitable for use.

Now lets just give up educating children and let them all become mindless asexual drones............

[BaseCamp]

... meanwhile on a (hopefully) lighter note - and to give a few smiles to everyone:


"The Change Up" - Sexual Harassment...

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCAQtwIwAGoVChMI4N_jism-xwIVQSKmCh1WVA2m&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DBHrdrpUMBQI&ei=W2fZVaDGEsHEmAXWqLWwCg&usg=AFQjCNF72K9eGHQjt3MGwxTzJvCS8zax_Q