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Warn winch rebuild
« on: July 11, 2015, 12:31:35 AM »
going to mates place, having a beer, then deciding to service me winch... much intercoursing around, remove bullbar and winch and UHF Aerial, and more...

finally get winch in shed, find that the freespool lever wont move... not a good look...
remove the other end from the motor, look inside,  it looked like the cup and substance from 1 girl 1 cup...

decide its a job for Mal Leslie :(  Call GG to find out rough price he paid for his.. found out.. started crying...
refitted bar, ariel, spotties, no winch and drove home with tail between legs....
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Re: Re: 'Daily Rant Thread'
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2015, 07:26:30 AM »
Quote from: Bird on July 11, 2015, 12:31:35 AM
going to mates place, having a beer, then deciding to service me winch... much intercoursing around, remove bullbar and winch and UHF Aerial, and more...

finally get winch in shed, find that the freespool lever wont move... not a good look...
remove the other end from the motor, look inside,  it looked like the cup and substance from 1 girl 1 cup...

decide its a job for Mal Leslie :(  Call GG to find out rough price he paid for his.. found out.. started crying...
refitted bar, ariel, spotties, no winch and drove home with tail between legs....
Reckon I need to look up the meaning of intercoursing...I'm hoping it means something different to my thinking  ???  ;D
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Re: Re: 'Daily Rant Thread'
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2015, 08:44:23 AM »
Quote from: Rumpig on July 11, 2015, 07:26:30 AM
Reckon I need to look up the meaning of intercoursing...I'm hoping it means something different to my thinking  ???  ;D
Wasn't game to write anything but since you have.
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Re: Re: 'Daily Rant Thread'
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2015, 08:59:04 AM »
Quote from: Bird on July 11, 2015, 12:31:35 AM
decide its a job for Mal Leslie :(  Call GG to find out rough price he paid for his.. found out.. started crying...

It's worth it
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Re: Re: 'Daily Rant Thread'
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2015, 09:10:38 AM »
Quote from: Rumpig on July 11, 2015, 07:26:30 AM
Reckon I need to look up the meaning of intercoursing...I'm hoping it means something different to my thinking  ???  ;D

"Forget that" ....   its Bird's reference to 2 girls and a cup that's got me bejeebered
 :worthles:   :cup:
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 :cheers:
 ???

NO
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« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2015, 09:13:49 AM »
Quote from: BaseCamp on July 11, 2015, 09:10:38 AM
"Forget that" ....   its Bird's reference to 2 girls and a cup that's got me bejeebered
 :worthles:   :cup:
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 :cheers:
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NO
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i thought I'd play it safe an just avoid that reference myself...lol
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Re: Re: 'Daily Rant Thread'
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2015, 01:13:07 PM »
Quote from: D4D on July 11, 2015, 08:59:04 AM
It's worth it
Called Mal this morning, price starts at $700!!!!!!!!! Can get a new winch with Plasma for that price.

since have spoken with a few mates who have had work done... Chris on here had his done which was in similar condition to mine, $1100+!hahahahahahah that's funny!
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Re: Re: 'Daily Rant Thread'
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2015, 01:39:35 PM »
You would just buy a new runva wouldn't you for that price?

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Re: Re: 'Daily Rant Thread'
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2015, 01:59:43 PM »
Quote from: Bird on July 11, 2015, 01:13:07 PM
Called Mal this morning, price starts at $700!!!!!!!!! Can get a new winch with Plasma for that price.

since have spoken with a few mates who have had work done... Chris on here had his done which was in similar condition to mine, $1100+!hahahahahahah that's funny!

Getting steep at those prices, although a new Warn will set you back a heap more. I was lucky as I sent him my winch brand new out of the box so he just improved it. Maybe he is getting ready for retirement  ;D

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« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2015, 07:45:39 AM »
Quote from: Bird on July 11, 2015, 01:13:07 PM
Called Mal this morning, price starts at $700!!!!!!!!! Can get a new winch with Plasma for that price.

since have spoken with a few mates who have had work done... Chris on here had his done which was in similar condition to mine, $1100+!hahahahahahah that's funny!

Do it yourself.....
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Re: Re: 'Daily Rant Thread'
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2015, 01:12:30 PM »
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You would just buy a new runva wouldn't you for that price?
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Theres a XP9.5 on ebay complete for a grand, or a Premier 9000 for under 100 at moment.


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Maybe he is getting ready for retirement  ;D
I had that thought too
but as a mate said he gets comp blokes spending $15,000+ on upgrading their own winch so to him maybe he thinks its cheap. scottmefuqt


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Do it yourself.....
I thought there maybe a youtube on how to do it, but cant find Shit on how to waterproof them properly. not even a decent website. :(
In the defence, the XD9000 design is decades old, so waterproofing probably wasn't high on the list back then.

Cheapest XP I can find new in US was around 1700au + million shipping.

I've been trying to understand what parts Mal uses, and I think he must use the 2 end parts the drum goes in, and also the cross braces...  ???

http://winchserviceparts.com/ looking here (USA of course), parts aren't that bad...

might drop in and see Adam at Ironman again...  talk to him about his winches and how waterproof his are.
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Re: Re: 'Daily Rant Thread'
« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2015, 01:20:21 PM »
Quote from: Bird on July 12, 2015, 01:12:30 PM
but as a mate said he gets comp blokes spending $15,000+ on upgrading their own winch so to him maybe he thinks its cheap. scottmefuqt

I've been trying to understand what parts Mal uses, and I think he must use the 2 end parts the drum goes in, and also the cross braces...  ???

You're paying for parts, labour and many many years of knowledge.
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Re: Re: 'Daily Rant Thread'
« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2015, 01:24:53 PM »
Quote from: Bird on July 12, 2015, 01:12:30 PM
I've been trying to understand what parts Mal uses, and I think he must use the 2 end parts the drum goes in, and also the cross braces...  ???

http://winchserviceparts.com/ looking here (USA of course), parts aren't that bad...


Warns are designed to be mounted feet-down, but most are mounted feet-forward. When I spoke with ML, he said that most of what he does is to address the non-drainage issue when they're mounted feet-forward. As mine's mounted feet-down (TJM bar with cradle), he said there wasn't a lot to be gained by having him work on it. How is yours mounted Bruce?

I bought his cross braces separately.

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« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2015, 01:25:33 PM »
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You're paying for parts, labour and many many years of knowledge.
No doubt, which is one reason I called him.. but the parts were only 300.. lots of labour in 1100.00....
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« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2015, 01:27:28 PM »
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Warns are designed to be mounted feet-down, but most are mounted feet-forward. When I spoke with ML, he said that most of what he does is to address the non-drainage issue when they're mounted feet-forward. As mine's mounted feet-down (TJM bar with cradle), he said there wasn't a lot to be gained by having him work on it. How is yours mounted Bruce?

I bought his cross braces separately.

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Mines in a TJM bar too :) But interesting to see, the drain hole is only at one end of the winch (motor or gearbox cant remember) which I find strange...


Actually googling I see warn now make a winch totally designed to run underwater.... wonder how many billions they would cost.
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« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2015, 01:31:23 PM »
Geoff.. what are the crossbraces??? surely they aren't just the bars "bracing bars" ???

Interesting, googling and seeing some of the threads on what grease to use....
http://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/waterproofing-a-winch.371911/

Some chat on Caterpillar Dozer grease here that 'traps' the water... sounds interesting.
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« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2015, 01:38:37 PM »
Quote from: Bird on July 12, 2015, 01:31:23 PM
Geoff.. what are the crossbraces??? surely they aren't just the bars "bracing bars" ???

Bruce, the std braces are very light, and too close to the winch body. ML's cross-braces are heavier, and spaced out from the winch body. They give more room for the rope to bunch up when winching. The housings can break if the rope bunches up against the braces. I don't remember pricing, but they weren't big money. Easy to make.

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« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2015, 01:40:42 PM »
Quote from: GeoffA on July 12, 2015, 01:38:37 PM
Bruce, the std braces are very light, and too close to the winch body. ML's cross-braces are heavier, and spaced out from the winch body. They give more room for the rope to bunch up when winching. The housings can break if the rope bunches up against the braces. I don't remember pricing, but they weren't big money. Easy to make.

 :cheers:
These are what he was saying was for waterproofing... ??? I know the birdsnesting issue with the std bars, but trying to figure out how it could waterproof it... maybe I mistook what he said... theres plenty of people making the cross braces too these days..

Looking at exploded views of the XP, there certainly seems more seals than the stocky XD
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« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2015, 01:43:32 PM »
Quote from: Bird on July 12, 2015, 01:40:42 PM
These are what he was saying was for waterproofing... ???

Got me.... ???


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Looking at exploded views of the XP, there certainly seems more seals than the stocky XD

Lucky I got my XP from the US when the dollar was good.... ;D ;D
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« Reply #19 on: July 12, 2015, 01:49:06 PM »
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Got me.... ???
Might call him again Monday, maybe he was quoting weekend prices.

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Epoxy paint, are they all the same??? will get GG to split this into a winch thread.
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« Reply #20 on: July 12, 2015, 03:10:28 PM »
Quote from: Bird on July 12, 2015, 01:12:30 PM
I got this one at a good price $1400 new ;) contacts.. contacts :P

So how does the "you get what you pay for" theory work here?? Twice the price of a Runva and it's still Shite? Why is the winch dead? Maintenance issue, broken parts, user error?   ;D
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« Reply #21 on: July 12, 2015, 04:40:01 PM »
Split out for you Bird

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« Reply #22 on: July 12, 2015, 06:06:47 PM »
Quote from: nab on July 12, 2015, 03:10:28 PM
So how does the "you get what you pay for" theory work here?? Twice the price of a Runva and it's still Shite? Why is the winch dead? Maintenance issue, broken parts, user error?   ;D

x2, what is the actual issue with it ?
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« Reply #23 on: July 12, 2015, 06:18:41 PM »
Quote from: GeoffA on July 12, 2015, 07:45:39 AM
Do it yourself.....
But the parts get washed in the washing machine :cheers:
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« Reply #24 on: July 12, 2015, 07:15:40 PM »
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Why is the winch dead?
Cause I'm a lazy **** - simple as that... Probably 7-10 winches on 4b's out there that haven't had their winch touched would be the same

All but 2-3 winches on the market would have been the same. But if you had the spare to get it waterproofed or buy the waterproofed unit= then it would piss on a Runva which he suggested couldn't be waterproofed....
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