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Re: The future of car ownership
« Reply #25 on: May 17, 2015, 12:03:32 PM »

Interesting topic - when you think about the economics of it, cars will be last things driverless on our roads.

First will be trucks - what is the cost of a big rig truck (I have no idea), say double that for a driverless one. You then have a truck that can drive from Brisbane to Melbourne non stop then fuel up swap loads and drive back to Brisbane.

Get rid of the human factor and  they are better utilised, faster(eg. No rest stops) and running costs are less (no wages).

Initially truck drivers would still be needed for around town but demand would drop as the tech got better.

It will be interesting, hopefully by the time I am too old to drive (or want to) There will de driverless cars.

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Re: The future of car ownership
« Reply #26 on: May 17, 2015, 01:41:03 PM »
Quote from: Kiwijohn on May 17, 2015, 12:03:32 PM
Interesting topic - when you think about the economics of it, cars will be last things driverless on our roads.

First will be trucks - what is the cost of a big rig truck (I have no idea), say double that for a driverless one. You then have a truck that can drive from Brisbane to Melbourne non stop then fuel up swap loads and drive back to Brisbane.

Get rid of the human factor and  they are better utilised, faster(eg. No rest stops) and running costs are less (no wages).

Initially truck drivers would still be needed for around town but demand would drop as the tech got better.

It will be interesting, hopefully by the time I am too old to drive (or want to) There will de driverless cars.

John
I recon your dead right there.public transports automated in some countries but restricted to rail.
I think there's a long way to go yet and as I said earlier insurance and legalities/responsibilities will probably be more of a hurdle than the technology itself
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Re: The future of car ownership
« Reply #27 on: May 17, 2015, 01:50:40 PM »
Quote from: Kiwijohn on May 17, 2015, 12:03:32 PM
Interesting topic - when you think about the economics of it, cars will be last things driverless on our roads.

First will be trucks - what is the cost of a big rig truck (I have no idea), say double that for a driverless one. You then have a truck that can drive from Brisbane to Melbourne non stop then fuel up swap loads and drive back to Brisbane.

Get rid of the human factor and  they are better utilised, faster(eg. No rest stops) and running costs are less (no wages).

Initially truck drivers would still be needed for around town but demand would drop as the tech got better.

It will be interesting, hopefully by the time I am too old to drive (or want to) There will de driverless cars.

John

Be interesting. Given when the monorail was introduced to Sydney in 1988? It was driverless technology. The transport workers union saw to that and they had to employ drivers for the next 25yrs.
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« Reply #28 on: May 17, 2015, 02:22:21 PM »
Driverless Car Road Rage. Wouldn't want to be in one that cuts off another in peak hours!
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Re: The future of car ownership
« Reply #29 on: May 17, 2015, 05:37:37 PM »
Quote from: dales133 on May 17, 2015, 01:41:03 PM
I recon your dead right there.public transports automated in some countries but restricted to rail.
I think there's a long way to go yet and as I said earlier insurance and legalities/responsibilities will probably be more of a hurdle than the technology itself

Agree - they don't have to prove it is perfect, just better than a human. Then insurance companies will jump on board
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Re: The future of car ownership
« Reply #30 on: May 26, 2015, 09:55:43 AM »
Quote from: MarkVS on May 17, 2015, 06:50:01 AM

There seems to be a strong appetite for driverless cars and I think this is going to happen very rapidly.

MarkVS


Sooner than we think by all accounts-
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/technology/first-car-that-can-drive-itself-the-next-generation-audi-a8-limousine-on-the-road-in-2017/story-fnjwq0cw-1227368047823

and no doubt lots of manufacturers trying to outdo each other at the very moment which raises a topical question as to whether or not these cars will need all those expensive killer airbags in the long run. Perhaps even seat belts and baby capsules, etc will become superfluous?
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Re: The future of car ownership
« Reply #31 on: May 26, 2015, 10:01:25 AM »
Won't the kids love to be free at last from all that L, P1, P2 crap and worrywort helicopter parenting? Or perhaps not with mum and dad tracking their every move. You win some you lose some kiddies.
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« Reply #32 on: May 26, 2015, 10:11:01 AM »
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Re: The future of car ownership
« Reply #33 on: May 26, 2015, 10:49:36 AM »
I think if this is all our future it ****ing stinks.
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Re: The future of car ownership
« Reply #34 on: May 26, 2015, 10:59:23 AM »
It will be the future for major metropolitan areas and long haul freight. 4WD recreation driving will around for a long time yet ;)
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« Reply #35 on: May 26, 2015, 11:04:42 AM »
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It will be the future for major metropolitan areas and long haul freight. 4WD recreation driving will around for a long time yet ;)

They will just stop it. Insurance companies wont want to play ball - or since they have share holders and will still need to make 23904820348903289 billion a week profit insurance for anyone driving themselves will become too much even for Packer or Murdochs.
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Re: The future of car ownership
« Reply #36 on: May 26, 2015, 11:25:35 AM »
Quote from: edz on May 26, 2015, 10:11:01 AM
This was in the making news section, but it belongs here though .http://www.9news.com.au/technology/2015/05/25/13/16/volvo-automatic-parking-system-fails-as-car-drives-into-two-men


Yeah I think our manual controls and off-road driving are safe for a few years yet. However it's interesting to note in that Audi video how the computer only fails when an analogue driver cuts it off suddenly. Right there you can see when the technology is almost foolproof and the majority of cars are driverless, the push will be on to get the dangerous analogues off the road, just like those 'new asbestos' cars at present- http://www.autoblog.com/2015/02/15/paris-ban-old-cars-from-citys-roads/

Joining some dots here along with added airbag longevity problems in mind, means you have to be somewhat circumspect when trotting into a new car showroom nowadays. The irony is as we've produced superb mechanically robust cars with excellent longevity, the rest of the overall package is fast being overtaken by other considerations and rapidly advancing technological innovation. Already sound mechanical and perfectly driveable cars are no longer being towed to the crushers but driven there to remove their number plates.
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« Reply #37 on: May 26, 2015, 04:00:48 PM »
Good and bad........... who really knows what the future holds.
I have no doubt it will be carefully considered by a "committee" panel of "experts" with a degree in "something weird with a name to make it sound important" from the university of "mumbai"
They will no doubt consult top motoring organisations like RACQ, NRMA for "expert" feedback from their advertising sorry technical department.

This makes me feel SOOOOOOOOOO safe, that a manufacturer who makes PC's that need rebooting every few days and crash more than a homeless drunk mate and need to be replaced every few years cos they just do........ will be printing the same boards that run the anti crash system...... :'( :'( :'(

Anyhow, this aside, I think most people are viewing with the "transport" view of getting to and from work.
What ever will happen to the glory and joy that is "driving"?
A nice drive through the countyside, or a pleasant stint up the coast, or an outback journey???
A nice drive through the Alpine region???

Perhaps it can just be printed into our memory chips.............
Ho hum,

Not to worry, I'll be senile by then ;D (half way there if you ask the boss :-[)

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Re: The future of car ownership
« Reply #38 on: May 26, 2015, 04:58:06 PM »
Quote from: briann532 on May 26, 2015, 04:00:48 PM
Good and bad........... who really knows what the future holds.
I have no doubt it will be carefully considered by a "committee" panel of "experts" with a degree in "something weird with a name to make it sound important" from the university of "mumbai"
They will no doubt consult top motoring organisations like RACQ, NRMA for "expert" feedback from their advertising sorry technical department.

This makes me feel SOOOOOOOOOO safe, that a manufacturer who makes PC's that need rebooting every few days and crash more than a homeless drunk mate and need to be replaced every few years cos they just do........ will be printing the same boards that run the anti crash system...... :'( :'( :'(

Anyhow, this aside, I think most people are viewing with the "transport" view of getting to and from work.
What ever will happen to the glory and joy that is "driving"?
A nice drive through the countyside, or a pleasant stint up the coast, or an outback journey???
A nice drive through the Alpine region???

Perhaps it can just be printed into our memory chips.............
Ho hum,

Not to worry, I'll be senile by then ;D (half way there if you ask the boss :-[)

Brian

Only halfway? You are on the wrong forum :)
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Re: The future of car ownership
« Reply #39 on: June 24, 2015, 06:31:33 PM »
A lot more convenient if you can call the car to you rather than you calling on the car-
http://www.theverge.com/2015/6/24/8837281/ford-peer-2-peer-car-sharing-rental-scheme-monthly-charges
and paywave for kms travelled with ebay type feedback won't need middlemen or even Uber drivers. Just the app and mobile wallet.
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« Reply #41 on: July 21, 2015, 01:34:47 PM »
Another good reason to head to the hills and get out of sillyburbia and go off grid.
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Re: The future of car ownership
« Reply #42 on: July 21, 2015, 08:56:23 PM »
Quote from: edz on July 21, 2015, 01:34:47 PM
Another good reason to head to the hills and get out of sillyburbia and go off grid.

Me to, not interested in some robot driving me about.
I still go to post office, motor transport place etc.
Easier then on the internet, and now that everyone is doing it on line, there is no body at the rego place, which = no queues.
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« Reply #43 on: July 21, 2015, 09:31:06 PM »
Bronwyn bishop will have 2 and a self drive helichoppa! 
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« Reply #44 on: July 22, 2015, 01:46:02 PM »
Could  you imagine the uproar ! when terrorist cyber hackers bring down the Nav links networks and hack the speed controls and  a few thousand planes [ they are trialling pilotless drone airliners too ]    cars / trucks and busses go wacko and crash killing thousands in cities across a dozen countries ...
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« Reply #45 on: July 22, 2015, 03:17:57 PM »
Quote from: edz on July 22, 2015, 01:46:02 PM
Could  you imagine the uproar ! when terrorist cyber hackers bring down the Nav links networks and hack the speed controls and  a few thousand planes [ they are trialling pilotless drone airliners too ]    cars / trucks and busses go wacko and crash killing thousands in cities across a dozen countries ...

Probably still less deaths than those caused by the idiots on the road at the moment.
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« Reply #46 on: July 22, 2015, 03:19:18 PM »
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... not interested in some robot driving me about.
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« Reply #47 on: July 22, 2015, 04:21:43 PM »
You don't have to let a robot drive you, someone else can from their living room.........


as per other thread..........


http://www.9news.com.au/technology/2015/07/22/10/16/hackers-take-control-of-jeep-and-crash-it-into-ditch

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Re: The future of car ownership
« Reply #48 on: July 22, 2015, 04:23:51 PM »
Quote from: briann532 on July 22, 2015, 04:21:43 PM
You don't have to let a robot drive you, someone else can from their living room.........


as per other thread..........


http://www.9news.com.au/technology/2015/07/22/10/16/hackers-take-control-of-jeep-and-crash-it-into-ditch
that wont work, I have a pee pee and a pair of crackers, so would never own a hairdresser car..... ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #49 on: July 22, 2015, 06:16:04 PM »
Quote from: Bird on July 22, 2015, 04:23:51 PM
that wont work, I have a pee pee and a pair of crackers, so would never own a hairdresser car..... ;D ;D ;D

PMSL............

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