CRV safety can for butane

[prodigyrf]

Posted on the butane stove thread but here too for reference-

http://wckp.buykorea.org/pav/BKKBPA032C.html?GOODS_SN=3003239&PAVLN_SN=3000001

Here's what you need to see on your butane cans-

http://www.supercheapauto.com.au/online-store/products/Campmaster-Butane-Cartridge-220g-4-Pack.aspx?pid=213539#Recommendations

[prodigyrf]

Trust private enterprise while the public circus bedwetters and taxeaters are still pissing around on social media like schoolgirls with the vapours eh? 

[KingBilly]

Mate, CRV butane canisters have been around for ages.  Would be surprised if you can still buy non-CRV cans.  But thanks for posting anyway

KB

[prodigyrf]

Gotta say KB I hadn't noticed the CRV message before (or understood what's behind it) and it's not obvious to consumers butane cartridges are all the same-
http://www.bunnings.com.au/gasmate-butane-cartridges-4-pack_p3171476
With a 12V jug for the tug on the road and Jayco on LPG camping, I gave my cooker away to the lad and his missus so haven't purchased any for a couple of years.
What sort of butane cans have users got out there?
If they're not obviously marked CRV safety, for the price I'd be ditching them for the risk of the kids or someone ignorant using the cooker incorrectly. That Korean manufacturer video is telling us all something worthwhile and butane gas sellers too. My take is if NSW Fair Trading knew all butane cartridges entering the country were definitely CRV safety then they wouldn't have knee-jerked with the cooker stop sale.

[sweetpea]

What sort of butane cans have users got out there?
If they're not obviously marked CRV safety, for the price I'd be ditching them for the risk of the kids or someone ignorant using the cooker incorrectly.

Where or how does one dispose of the non CRV cans?

Thanks,

S.

[edz]

  with a bloody big bang if you dare too, they do make great mini Nuclear style mushroom fire balls and knock the hell out of hollow stumps, ohh and the tins fly realy realy high trailing fire, just becareful of people fishing about 200m away as burning tincans falling from the sky and landing beside them tend to get get them excited just a little .. ... But then again that would be irressponsable type of behaviour.
So would putting them in a ramp covered driveway pipe and firing them them as a flame tailed rocket projectile 150 m down the street just after dark, Again totaly irresponsible and dangerous ..But jeez it was fun as a kid ... Disclosure : this may or may not have happened on a regular basis in the surrounds of Mullumbimby many many many years ago 

Notice that the cookers are still in BCF's  latest catalogue for sale that we got yesterday ..

[#jonesy]

After a bit of searching I found out what CRV actually is. (I think)

Basically the rim has a blue tinge and there are small holes around the rim as below.

My Aldi one from a few years ago doesn't have it and the companion ones I have also don't.

EN417 relates to the top valve and nothing to do with CRV

Also a good article here
http://www2.pajeroclub.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=35772

[KingBilly]

Gotta say KB I hadn't noticed the CRV message before (or understood what's behind it) and it's not obvious to consumers butane cartridges are all the same-

Disagree.  All CRV canisters that I have seen are clearly marked as such.  No confusion for the consumer.

My take is if NSW Fair Trading knew all butane cartridges entering the country were definitely CRV safety then they wouldn't have knee-jerked with the cooker stop sale.

Again disagree.  If you had read the NSW recall of portable butane cookers, the issue has nothing to do with the butane canisters, and whether or not they are CRV canisters.  They recall is due to a fault with the cookers' shut off valves.

“Testing, undertaken at the request of NSW Fair Trading and other State gas regulators, has found a fault with the cookers’ shut-off valves, posing a risk that the devices may overheat and could explode.

KB

[paceman]

Disagree.  All CRV canisters that I have seen are clearly marked as such.  No confusion for the consumer.

not sure if gasmate are CRV or not, but if you look at the pic below, not real easy to distinguish CRV status at first glance...

[KingBilly]

CRV butane canisters are clearly marked as such.  Not difficult to see 

KB

[KingBilly]

not sure if gasmate are CRV or not, but if you look at the pic below, not real easy to distinguish CRV status at first glance...

Again, trying to discredit what I am saying. Don't get your motivation?  Becoming a habit of yours paceman 

Obviously the random photo you chose from the internet is NOT a CRV canister as it is NOT marked as such.  See my above response.

KB

[paceman]

Again, trying to discredit what I am saying. Don't get your motivation?  Becoming a habit of yours paceman 

Obviously the random photo you chose from the internet is NOT a CRV canister as it is NOT marked as such.  See my above response.

KB

can't see how my post was a personal attack.  perhaps i should have chosen my words a bit more clearly.

i was just pointing out that the gasmate canister is not marked, but is quite popular and if you ask sales assistants, they will often tell you that it is a crv canister (personal experience, after the recent butane cooker issues).

also, not all crv-approved canisters are marked on the front of the canister.  they can have a marking on the rear of the canister, which is not easily seen and can be missed if you do not know what to look for.

and i would hardly call it a random photo.  i picked it for a specific reason, as the gasmate canisters are sold in bunnings and other popular stores.

maybe some people here on the forum did not know that gasmate canisters are not crv approved?  not sure, but the extra info wouldn't hurt, would it?

[rags]

Disagree.  All CRV canisters that I have seen are clearly marked as such.  No confusion for the consumer.

Again disagree.  If you had read the NSW recall of portable butane cookers, the issue has nothing to do with the butane canisters, and whether or not they are CRV canisters.  They recall is due to a fault with the cookers' shut off valves.

“Testing, undertaken at the request of NSW Fair Trading and other State gas regulators, has found a fault with the cookers’ shut-off valves, posing a risk that the devices may overheat and could explode.

KB

KB Thanks for saying this, I typed something similar but did not post it.
You are Correct, the recall has nothing to do with the gas  canister  ,the canisters can still be sold and used on other  complying appliances be it CRV or any other type, propane or butane.
The FT notice is all to do with the actually safety design of the cooker and nothing more or less.

[oldmate]

well, this is the first i have heard of CRV. 
Never ever seen a can marked with it,but will keep an eye out. i have only used the gasmate from bunnings and the campmaster in KB's 2nd pic. never seen the other one.

[scarpsD40]

well, this is the first i have heard of CRV. 

Honda CRV, bit like a Nissan Xtrail only crunchier

[prodigyrf]

Disagree.  All CRV canisters that I have seen are clearly marked as such.  No confusion for the consumer.

Again disagree.  If you had read the NSW recall of portable butane cookers, the issue has nothing to do with the butane canisters, and whether or not they are CRV canisters.  They recall is due to a fault with the cookers' shut off valves.

“Testing, undertaken at the request of NSW Fair Trading and other State gas regulators, has found a fault with the cookers’ shut-off valves, posing a risk that the devices may overheat and could explode.

KB

Yeah well that might be NSW view but here's the SA view-

https://www.sa.gov.au/topics/water-energy-and-environment/electrical-gas-and-plumbing-safety-and-technical-regulation/electricity-and-gas-safety-for-consumers/gas-safety/portable-gas-cooker-safety

And note- "No single burner butane gas stoves are currently approved for sale." just a few double ones and-

"If you already own a portable butane gas stove with an integrated cylinder:

Make sure the portable butane gas stove is Australian safety certified. If it is not safety certified, consider disposing of it.
Always use the stove according to the manufacturer's instructions.
The stoves are designed to be used for very short periods. Do not operate the stove for longer than the manufacturer recommends.
Portable gas stoves should never be used indoors.
Always allow for adequate air flow around the stove.
Many stoves are packaged with the trivet upside down. Only use the stove when the trivet is up the right way, like in image 1.
Make sure all connections are tight and that there are no gas leaks. Using a soapy water solution, spray the connection point. If bubbles appear, there is a leak. Tighten if necessary and then retest. If bubbles still appear, do no use the stove.
Never use the stove in a way that causes the canister to overheat – for example, do no use them on very hot days or to heat up heat beads.
Do not use pans or pots larger than 200mm (unless specified as safe by the manufacturer) – when the pot is too big, it concentrates the heat down toward the gas canister, which may cause it to overheat and explode.
If the portable butane gas stove doesn't seem to be operating or lighting correctly, do not use it. Don't tamper with the appliance or its controls."

There's the big pots again and some mention of ensuring there are no gas leaks but no mention of CRV safety cans and if any of you failed to watch that Daeyruk Can Co video comparing what happens with non and CRV butane cans here it is and make up your own mind. Personally I'd be happy using any existing stove with a CRV can and using common sense re large pans overhanging the cylinder receptacle and obviously being aware the can is inserted properly and sealing-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rV4LMjzgyu8

[Marschy]

I've never heard of CRV cans before.

Maybe because I bought a six pack of the old cans about 5 years ago and haven't used them all yet. I don't use them on the stoves myself, only on blow torches.

With regard cans being clearly marked or not I think is beside the point. I don't think the message about the safety aspect of the CRV cans is getting out there to the consumer, or more to the point, the danger aspect of the old cans when used incorrectly.

[oldmate]

Honda CRV, bit like a Nissan Xtrail only crunchier

Ah yeah. Of coarse. I knew I had heard of it somewhere

[#jonesy]

 I know that this was a cut and paste but even the official information is confusing

"If you already own a portable butane gas stove with an integrated cylinder

 
I wouldn't call these ,integrated"

Make sure the portable butane gas stove is Australian safety certified. If it is not safety certified, consider disposing of it.

What is the Australian standard. AS.......or an adopted overseas standard?   
Isn't this the issue at the moment that the certification has been suspended?

Make sure all connections are tight and that there are no gas leaks. Using a soapy water solution, spray the connection point. If bubbles appear, there is a leak. Tighten if necessary and then retest.

Tighten what?

(Edited to tidy it up and didn't realise I posted it before dropping the kids off)

[KingBilly]

or more to the point, the danger aspect of the old cans when used incorrectly.

KB Thanks for saying this, I typed something similar but did not post it.
You are Correct, the recall has nothing to do with the gas  canister  ,the canisters can still be sold and used on other  complying appliances be it CRV or any other type, propane or butane.
The FT notice is all to do with the actually safety design of the cooker and nothing more or less.

[KingBilly]

For those that have never heard of CRV butane canisters, here is a thread from November 2013 and is where I first became aware of the safety of using these cans.  Suggest some of you need to get out more 

http://www2.pajeroclub.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=35772

KB

[Marschy]

My comment is purely in relation to the issue regarding CRV cans. I haven't been following the NSW Fair Trading thread regarding the lunch box stoves because I don't own one. And I don't own a Pajero either.

I am interested in this thread purely from the aspect of the different butane cans, of which I was blissfully unaware there were different, safe and unsafe versions. I has certainly made me aware of what to look out for.

[rags]

It is interesting how SA have changed their message from the first one issued on 12/3/15 stating all was good to the one currently listed on 16/3/15, must of had a tap on shoulder!!
http://www.sa.gov.au/topics/water-energy-and-environment/electrical-gas-and-plumbing-safety-and-technical-regulation/electricity-and-gas-safety-for-consumers/gas-safety/portable-gas-cooker-safety

[paceman]

For those that have never heard of CRV butane canisters, here is a thread from November 2013 and is where I first became aware of the safety of using these cans.  Suggest some of you need to get out more 

http://www2.pajeroclub.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=35772

KB

and this thread is serving that same purpose again, for those of us who weren't sure in the first place.

if the consumer doesn't know that there is a difference between crv and non-crv (and the sales assitant doesn't know either), how are they supposed to make an informed choice in the first place?  stumble on a thread by 'getting out more', as you so nicely put it?

[KingBilly]

My comment is purely in relation to the issue regarding CRV cans. I haven't been following the NSW Fair Trading thread regarding the lunch box stoves because I don't own one. And I don't own a Pajero either.

I am interested in this thread purely from the aspect of the different butane cans, of which I was blissfully unaware there were different, safe and unsafe versions. I has certainly made me aware of what to look out for.

Glad I could help Marschy  . My day is now complete 

Oh, and I don't own a Pajero either, nor subscribe to their forum but I read about the forum link on two other forums I subscribe to.

KB