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Chinese hitch legalities.
« on: September 17, 2014, 08:28:13 AM »
I have read a few threads on here discussing the legalities of the trailer hitch's that are supplied on many of the Chinese campers being imported into the country.

I have just bought a Chinese import and the hitch is similar to the ones in question, a 2 tonne pollyblock type hitch. When I picked the trailer up from a Brisbane store I questioned the manager about the legality of the hitch and was assured it was legal and conformed to all Australian standards.

Yesterday I took it for a Blue Slip in NSW and it was failed because of the hitch. The examiner said he could not pass it because it did not have the manufacturers name embossed on the hitch.

He also stated that they get a lot of trailers which have a sticker of the manufacturers name on the hitch and these were not legal either.

I fitted a Mc Hitch to the trailer and it is now passed but it is an expense I could have done without.

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Re: Chinese hitch legalities.
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2014, 08:35:29 AM »
Return the hitch to the dealer with a copy of the invoice for the new hitch and the failed blue slip.
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Re: Chinese hitch legalities.
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2014, 08:47:41 AM »
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I am pretty sure there are laws to say that everything sold by a retailer must be "fit for purpose" and if it doesn't pass muster then you have rights to return said item
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Re: Chinese hitch legalities.
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2014, 08:51:52 AM »
The imported hitches aren't the only one's that are applying stickers. Last time I visited Treg here in Underdale they had stickers on their hitches as well. A lot of manufacturers are playing catch up because the imported hitches have brought this issue to the attention of the authorities who didn't give a crap while the imports weren't an issue. Now the imports are an issue the local manufacturers are being made accountable too.

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« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2014, 09:40:28 AM »
Just checked my DO35 hitch, it has a sticker as well as the plastic cover having Vehicle Components molded into it.

The cover is easily removable and it isn't unforeseen that it could come off with a bit of hard use.

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« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2014, 10:00:50 AM »
The McHitch on mine has their name cast into the hitch, as well as "ADR 62/02", along with the load rating.

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Re: Chinese hitch legalities.
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2014, 10:05:46 AM »
Return the hitch to the dealer with a copy of the invoice for the new hitch and the failed blue slip.
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Re: Chinese hitch legalities.
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2014, 10:58:27 AM »
I'd say deliver it through their front window for inconvenience tax..
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Seriously though, despite what the CT seller said to you OldandSlow, the best mod you completed on your CT was to remove the hitch and replace it with a reputable brand. At least in the back of your mind you won't be worried about it failing.  It was a piece of garbage no matter what sticker, stamp or any claims made by the CT sellers.

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« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2014, 11:18:25 AM »
totally agree there muzza 110%   

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Re: Chinese hitch legalities.
« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2014, 12:04:32 PM »

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I am pretty sure there are laws to say that everything sold by a retailer must be "fit for purpose" and if it doesn't pass muster then you have rights to return said item

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« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2014, 12:27:44 PM »
Yep, I emailed the manufacturer of ours with an email from RMS stating it was more than likely a fake.

They offered to install a Tregg if I drove to Sydney (I think more than $400) so I asked if they would post out a McHitch and I would install it myself (about $200 delivered) which they did.

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« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2014, 12:57:49 PM »
Best thing I did for my C/T, my family and other road users... I just hope like nothing else that it doesn't take a death to finally put this issue to bed...

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Re: Chinese hitch legalities.
« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2014, 01:21:56 PM »
PMSL

Seriously though, despite what the CT seller said to you OldandSlow, the best mod you completed on your CT was to remove the hitch and replace it with a reputable brand. At least in the back of your mind you won't be worried about it failing.  It was a piece of garbage no matter what sticker, stamp or any claims made by the CT sellers.


I agree, though I would be very surprised if the Chinese hitch failed. I checked all the pictures I could find of hitch failures and the one I had did appear to be a little better. The Mc Hitch was always going to be the hitch I would have gone to.

I have emailed the seller in Brisbane, about 7 hours away, but don't really expect any joy from them.

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« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2014, 01:52:27 PM »
Interesting read, will be checking mine when I get it
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Re: Chinese hitch legalities.
« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2014, 02:57:01 PM »

I agree, though I would be very surprised if the Chinese hitch failed. I checked all the pictures I could find of hitch failures and the one I had did appear to be a little better. The Mc Hitch was always going to be the hitch I would have gone to.

I have emailed the seller in Brisbane, about 7 hours away, but don't really expect any joy from them.

I wouldn't be surprised if it failed at all.  I was shown quite a few broken poly block hitches (none were genuine Treg or Trigg hitches) by a guy from Taylor's Trailers in Cairns.  He said at the time they had thrown a few other examples in the bin a few weeks before I was in the shop.

This happened around May or June last year. I can't remember the fellows name but I can find out if you want some advice on these POS hitches. I have included their website and phone number below.

http://www.taylorstrailers.com.au/

If it sounds like I am a bit passionate about this subject, I am... It sh1ts me that copies of Treg hitches can be brought in to the county with fake standards stamped on them.  It is an integral component that keeps your 1500kg CT connected to your tug while driving 100kms an hour.

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Re: Chinese hitch legalities.
« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2014, 03:12:51 PM »
The email I received from RMS can be found here with some other reading.

http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=34919.msg585311;topicseen#msg585311

It's not much money but if we all start asking for retrofits, they may get the hint.

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Re: Chinese hitch legalities.
« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2014, 05:47:07 PM »
Just a thought, what would your insurance company say in the event of a fake hitch failure in the event of an accident?
I couldn't imagine it would be very favourable
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« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2014, 07:09:28 PM »
Just a thought, what would your insurance company say in the event of a fake hitch failure in the event of an accident?
I couldn't imagine it would be very favourable



I am sure the issue would have come up if there are as many failures as reported. A clever insurance company would target the seller/manufacturer for compensation. An end user would not be expected to understand all the technical regs but the manufacturer and seller should.

I would be interested to hear if anyone has been knocked back for rego with a name brand hitch that wasn't correctly marked. I suspect they are only targeting Chinese hitch's.

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« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2014, 08:15:31 PM »
Gidday LD

Just a thought, what would your insurance company say in the event of a fake hitch failure in the event of an accident?
I couldn't imagine it would be very favourable

Where a purchaser relies on the expert advice of the vendor (which would be a presumption at Law in the case of an engineered object or part of an object), the vendor would be held liable, not the purchaser. Where the immediate vendor could not reasonably be expected to conduct any kind of intermediate inspection of the object, then the liability would shift from the immediate vendor to the manufacturer.

If the immediate vendor had specifically required or selected the object for incorporation (as in the case of a trailer hitch), then they would need to be able to mount a flaming good argument in court as to why they considered that particular object to be "fit for purpose", "reasonably fit for the purpose for which it was sold", and "of merchantable quality" under the various legislative instruments that apply - mainly the under the various Sale of Goods Acts in the various States and Territories, but also various consumer protection laws.

If they could not mount such an argument, they may well be found liable, rather than the manufacturer. This gets very difficult, very quickly. If the manufacturer had not made the object properly, then they would be liable, not the immediate vendor. "Sale by description" and "Sale by sample" are further wrinkles in all this.

At the end of the day, the purchaser could not have an insurance claim of any description rejected on this basis. There is an exception (of course ... ). If the purchaser has modified the object in question, or caused it to be modified, then liability shifts to the purchaser absolutely, and the insurer could possibly void the policy and claim on this basis. It would all come down to the facts of the particular matter.

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Re: Chinese hitch legalities.
« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2014, 08:34:48 PM »


I am sure the issue would have come up if there are as many failures as reported. A clever insurance company would target the seller/manufacturer for compensation. An end user would not be expected to understand all the technical regs but the manufacturer and seller should.

I would be interested to hear if anyone has been knocked back for rego with a name brand hitch that wasn't correctly marked. I suspect they are only targeting Chinese hitch's.

It doesn't matter if they are made in China, India, Bolivia, wherever, its the fact that they are not ADR approved and are crap.
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« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2014, 08:54:29 PM »
^ Short, sweet and to the point, Grafy.

I totally agree.

Unfortunately these days, manufacturers are getting very, very good at making stuff that looks terrific, and falls apart at a touch ... :(.

As always, the old legal maxim of caveat emptor, "let the buyer beware", applies so often nowadays that it's not even a bad joke any more. I reckon that it's getting to the stage where I have to return about every 3-5 items I buy, and they are not necessarily cheap either ...

Must say, I am very pleased with the McHitch I bought to replace my 33+ y.o. 50 mm ball hitch. Every part of it appears to reek of quality, and easy to connect/disconnect, and tows like a dream; backs like it the trailer was on rails  ;D .

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« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2014, 09:12:30 PM »
It doesn't matter if they are made in China, India, Bolivia, wherever, its the fact that they are not ADR approved and are crap.


The point is it may make a difference where they are made. I have never heard of a Treg hitch failing rego yet they don't have the manufacturers name embossed on them, which is the reason mine failed.

The examiner also stated that they get a few MDC campers through and he fails them as well because they only have a manufacturers sticker and are not embossed as required by regs. They are also Chinese.

As I said I would be interested to hear from anyone that has been refused rego with a name brand (non Chinese) hitch.

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« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2014, 09:27:55 PM »

The examiner also stated that they get a few MDC campers through and he fails them as well because they only have a manufacturers sticker and are not embossed as required by regs. They are also Chinese.


No, that is wrong. MDC's hitches are approved, I've seen the paperwork  ;D
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« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2014, 09:56:16 PM »
No, that is wrong. MDC's hitches are approved, I've seen the paperwork  ;D

Apparently it makes no difference whether they are approved or not, mine was not failed because it wasn't approved it was failed because the manufacturers name was not embossed on it.

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« Reply #24 on: September 20, 2014, 01:33:21 AM »

Must say, I am very pleased with the McHitch I bought to replace my 33+ y.o. 50 mm ball hitch. Every part of it appears to reek of quality, and easy to connect/disconnect, and tows like a dream; backs like it the trailer was on rails  ;D .
If it is 30 + yo, them it it is 1&7/8 inch, not 50 mm.  Two very different sizes.