Dingo attack on Fraser

[Banjo16]

News reports somebody got attacked,any details ?

[jwb]

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-12/man-attacked-by-dingoes-on-fraser-island/5666230

[Rumpig]

News reports somebody got attacked,any details ?

i read about this last night, here's the details in a nutshell....stupid person goes walking on an island beach alone at night (about 10.30 p.m) where known wild dogs live and gets bitten...end of story.
sorry to say, but if you're that silly to do that then  . I'm glad to read it wasn't more serious outcome and sounds like he's ok, but some common sense needs to be shown by people when they visit Fraser Island or any other place in the world where wild animals are known to live.

[scarps]

i read about this last night, here's the details in a nutshell....stupid person goes walking on an island beach alone at night (about 10.30 p.m) where known wild dogs live and gets bitten...end of story.
sorry to say, but if you're that silly to do that then  . I'm glad to read it wasn't more serious outcome and sounds like he's ok, but some common sense needs to be shown by people when they visit Fraser Island or any other place in the world where wild animals are known to live.

I can see a new mini series in the making. 'A Dingo bit my maaaate'.  Or Underbelly series 4,256 - A Dingo's Tail

[cupcake]

Problem is, now they will say the dingo is 'rogue' and hunt it down & kill it.
If you have ever seen a dingo in the zoo, this resembles in no way the dingoes on Fraser, the dogs are so starved, ribs hanging out of their skin, if a dog owner treated their dog this way RSPCA would be onto them.

[Mik01]

i read about this last night, here's the details in a nutshell....stupid person goes walking on an island beach alone at night (about 10.30 p.m) where known wild dogs live and gets bitten...end of story.
sorry to say, but if you're that silly to do that then  . I'm glad to read it wasn't more serious outcome and sounds like he's ok, but some common sense needs to be shown by people when they visit Fraser Island or any other place in the world where wild animals are known to live.

Bit harsh mate. I fish at night heaps on fraser. I usually drive the fourby down, but it's a regular occurrence to be standing there fishing while a dingo sits about 10m behind you, just watching and waiting for an opportunity to steal some bait or possibly me!
Would it be my fault if an aggressive dingo attacked me in that situation?
This incident happened outside happy valley. A woman got bitten last month in daylight outside eurong. They hang around the more populated areas as that's where the human traffic leaves rubbish to scavenge.

The fault lies with Nat Parks for not culling or relocating some dingoes (ie too many dingoes, not enough food), stupid tourists who either feed or don't secure their food/rubbish, stupid fishermen who don't secure/dispose of bait and fish remains, and a situation where there are ever increasing numbers of humans and dingoes interacting.

I've seen dingoes circling fishermen outside eurong, and even when we drove cars at them, bepping horns, yelling etc, they weren't fazed. They have no fear of humans, and in some cases like this biting incident, are driven to attack much larger humans out of desperation.

I'm going up there in October with my 3 kids - will be watching them every second, day and night.

[edz]

Dingo's are a naturaly lean animal, About 10 year ago I would agree with you Cupcake, after the closing of the rubbish tips they did get to skin and bone for a while,  till their numbers equalled out over time, but now other than sick ones.
 All the ones Ive seen look to  have been quite well fed and healthy compared to dingo's Ive seen in the bush of the mainland  ..
Pic is from last month . And there were more solid sized ones than this one getting around .
Spoke to the Rangers there last month and they have been stopped by Departmental instruction  from hazing the Dingo's now too + the islands ranger staff levels have been reduced due to Govmit cost cutting ..
As for people feeding them etc, saw that happen daily up there too.

[Rumpig]

Bit harsh mate. I fish at night heaps on fraser. I usually drive the fourby down, but it's a regular occurrence to be standing there fishing while a dingo sits about 10m behind you, just watching and waiting for an opportunity to steal some bait or possibly me!
Would it be my fault if an aggressive dingo attacked me in that situation?
This incident happened outside happy valley. A woman got bitten last month in daylight outside eurong. They hang around the more populated areas as that's where the human traffic leaves rubbish to scavenge.

The fault lies with Nat Parks for not culling or relocating some dingoes (ie too many dingoes, not enough food), stupid tourists who either feed or don't secure their food/rubbish, stupid fishermen who don't secure/dispose of bait and fish remains, and a situation where there are ever increasing numbers of humans and dingoes interacting.

I've seen dingoes circling fishermen outside eurong, and even when we drove cars at them, bepping horns, yelling etc, they weren't fazed. They have no fear of humans, and in some cases like this biting incident, are driven to attack much larger humans out of desperation.

I'm going up there in October with my 3 kids - will be watching them every second, day and night.

so you know the dingos are there which are wild dogs, and you choose to go down to the beach to fish at night (possibly on your own?), yet if one of those wild dogs was to bite or attack you it's National Parks fault that that happened...is that what you're saying?
would it be the same thing if you were in the NT fishing by a river with crocs in it and a croc came and bit you?...you'll say that's completely different i'll guess, but at the end of the day you'd be the one putting yourself in either of those situations.....i'm not sure why people think dingos are something other then the wild dogs that they are, and expect them act differently to that just becuase so many tourists visit the island.
If the guy was in a large group of people i highly doubt the attack would have happened, but go anywhere on the island on your own day or night, and there is the real chance (regardless of how often it happens or doesn't happen) you could get attacked by dingo's, especially if they are in a group of 3 like was this case. They are wild animals, people need to change their habits and treat them that way, not expect National Parks to move the "trouble makers" away from the people. yes the tourists are a big part of the problem here with feeding them etc, but people need to be responsible for their own actions also and have a think about the situation they are putting themselves in.

[gordo350]

so you know the dingos are there which are wild dogs, and you choose to go down to the beach to fish at night (possibly on your own?), yet if one of those wild dogs was to bite or attack you it's National Parks fault that that happened...is that what you're saying?
would it be the same thing if you were in the NT fishing by a river with crocs in it and a croc came and bit you?...you'll say that's completely different i'll guess, but at the end of the day you'd be the one putting yourself in either of those situations.....i'm not sure why people think dingos are something other then the wild dogs that they are, and expect them act differently to that just becuase so many tourists visit the island.
If the guy was in a large group of people i highly doubt the attack would have happened, but go anywhere on the island on your own day or night, and there is the real chance (regardless of how often it happens or doesn't happen) you could get attacked by dingo's, especially if they are in a group of 3 like was this case. They are wild animals, people need to change their habits and treat them that way, not expect National Parks to move the "trouble makers" away from the people. yes the tourists are a big part of the problem here with feeding them etc, but people need to be responsible for their own actions also and have a think about the situation they are putting themselves in.

well said

[edz]

With ya 100% on that Rumpig ..

[Bird]

so you know the dingos are there which are wild dogs, and you choose to go down to the beach to fish at night (possibly on your own?), yet if one of those wild dogs was to bite or attack you it's National Parks fault that that happened...is that what you're saying?
would it be the same thing if you were in the NT fishing by a river with crocs in it and a croc came and bit you?...you'll say that's completely different i'll guess, but at the end of the day you'd be the one putting yourself in either of those situations.....i'm not sure why people think dingos are something other then the wild dogs that they are, and expect them act differently to that just becuase so many tourists visit the island.
If the guy was in a large group of people i highly doubt the attack would have happened, but go anywhere on the island on your own day or night, and there is the real chance (regardless of how often it happens or doesn't happen) you could get attacked by dingo's, especially if they are in a group of 3 like was this case. They are wild animals, people need to change their habits and treat them that way, not expect National Parks to move the "trouble makers" away from the people. yes the tourists are a big part of the problem here with feeding them etc, but people need to be responsible for their own actions also and have a think about the situation they are putting themselves in.

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[Steffo1]

so you know the dingos are there which are wild dogs, and you choose to go down to the beach to fish at night (possibly on your own?), yet if one of those wild dogs was to bite or attack you it's National Parks fault that that happened...is that what you're saying?
would it be the same thing if you were in the NT fishing by a river with crocs in it and a croc came and bit you?...you'll say that's completely different i'll guess, but at the end of the day you'd be the one putting yourself in either of those situations.....i'm not sure why people think dingos are something other then the wild dogs that they are, and expect them act differently to that just becuase so many tourists visit the island.
If the guy was in a large group of people i highly doubt the attack would have happened, but go anywhere on the island on your own day or night, and there is the real chance (regardless of how often it happens or doesn't happen) you could get attacked by dingo's, especially if they are in a group of 3 like was this case. They are wild animals, people need to change their habits and treat them that way, not expect National Parks to move the "trouble makers" away from the people. yes the tourists are a big part of the problem here with feeding them etc, but people need to be responsible for their own actions also and have a think about the situation they are putting themselves in.

I have to agree here.
 A few years ago I decided to have an evening flick for a Bass or two in the Macleay river on a property that I knew had a fair dingo population. I drove about 15 mins from camp & after 10 mins of flicking a lure I noticed a dingo watching from about 50 metres away. After 15-20 mins there were about 8 of them so I slowly made my way back to the vehicle & returned to camp where the mates gave me a hard time about it. But, I'll never do it again on my Pat Malone!
Steve

[Mik01]

so you know the dingos are there which are wild dogs, and you choose to go down to the beach to fish at night (possibly on your own?), yet if one of those wild dogs was to bite or attack you it's National Parks fault that that happened...is that what you're saying?
would it be the same thing if you were in the NT fishing by a river with crocs in it and a croc came and bit you?...you'll say that's completely different i'll guess, but at the end of the day you'd be the one putting yourself in either of those situations.....i'm not sure why people think dingos are something other then the wild dogs that they are, and expect them act differently to that just becuase so many tourists visit the island.
If the guy was in a large group of people i highly doubt the attack would have happened, but go anywhere on the island on your own day or night, and there is the real chance (regardless of how often it happens or doesn't happen) you could get attacked by dingo's, especially if they are in a group of 3 like was this case. They are wild animals, people need to change their habits and treat them that way, not expect National Parks to move the "trouble makers" away from the people. yes the tourists are a big part of the problem here with feeding them etc, but people need to be responsible for their own actions also and have a think about the situation they are putting themselves in.

No, I said the fault lies with a range a factors. The fault behind the reason why the dingoes attack humans. They are scavengers by nature.
 If I get bitten in that situation , the yes I have put myself in that situation. When I was a kid, we could do this type of thing on fraser, and never had to worry about dingoes. Then nat parks took the horses off the island (which I believe the dingoes would eat when they died) and more and more tourists both drove drop litter and feed the bloody things, and now it's not safe to walk around day or night on your own there.

But if you re-read my story about the aggressive dingoes near the fisherman (there were about 8 blokes fishing together), you will note they weren't fazed either. So what turned them more aggressive over the last 30years? And is there a way to turn back time on this with aggressive strategies, so we can safely coexist?

[gronk]

And is there a way to turn back time on this with aggressive strategies, so we can safely coexist?

I don't think so I'm afraid..

20yrs ago dingoes were naturally very shy ( and in many other places apart from Fraser ), but with more humans ( and food, either scraps or idiots feeding ) they have bred themselves to be not shy, and so I don't believe we can co exist with them..

People have bagged a bloke for being on his own, but what if there were 4 fishermen, and 20 dingoes attacked them ??

Don't worry, a few dingoes will get culled out of this, and while some say thru no fault of theirs, fact is we can't co exist............either ban tourists from Fraser ( won't happen ) or find a way of keeping the dingoes away from humans.. 

[Mik01]

I don't think so I'm afraid..

20yrs ago dingoes were naturally very shy ( and in many other places apart from Fraser ), but with more humans ( and food, either scraps or idiots feeding ) they have bred themselves to be not shy, and so I don't believe we can co exist with them..

People have bagged a bloke for being on his own, but what if there were 4 fishermen, and 20 dingoes attacked them ??

Don't worry, a few dingoes will get culled out of this, and while some say thru no fault of theirs, fact is we can't co exist............either ban tourists from Fraser ( won't happen ) or find a way of keeping the dingoes away from humans..

Yep agree 110%. They are different now.
Unfortunately they have to kill this dog if they can find it (they are ear tagged, so it's possible if he saw the tag), as once it attacks a human it's a huge danger.
Totally different situation to croc habitats, that are naturally aggressive and will attack anything.

[ATC]

Was up there Easter this year - the dingoes were pretty skinny.

[Jeepers Creepers]

That's how they are supposed to look. A bit greyhoundish and quite lean is very normal.

[Mallory Black]

Agree that the human interaction has a part to play with the current behaviour of the Fraser Dingoes.
Same thing has happened with the Pelicans, they used to be seasonal but now they are there all the time (apparently)

And definitely the Dingoes on the southern part are more aggressive towards people and we know why. must drive the rangers mad

[Rumpig]

Totally different situation to croc habitats, that are naturally aggressive and will attack anything.

and that's the thought process people that visit the island need to change, they are wild dogs which can be very aggressive at any time (and have been that way for many years) and should be treated that way all the time, not thought of as something that only sometimes / rarely is aggressive and is shy by nature. I know of dingo attack reports on Fraser Island going back to atleast 1988 and the fatality was in 2001, so it's not like it's a new thing to suddenly be happening.

[Nomad]

When National Parks wiped out the Brumby population many years ago the problems started to increase.

I can remember waking up as a little kid camping to a site full of brumbies or roo's. You don't see roos there anymore at all. The balance is all out of wack and surely the dingoes will go as they have no real prey to feed on anymore.

[Dogsbreakfast]

Dickhead backpackers feeding em. Need a backpacker tax on fraser.

[deepop]

They're dogs - but not as we know 'em!   They are not tame, nor are they pets.

They are a pack animal that will hunt together, attack, kill and eat together.   This is what they do.

They were never shy, just scared of the big smelly humans.   Once they got more used to us they lost the fear and are happy to hunt us.   We don't fight back (imagine the uproar if a group of campers killed one or more dingo's).   Don't get me wrong, I don't think we should kill them.

This is their stomping ground.   If you go in there expect that they will be there and will hunt you given the opportunity.   Play smart like most and you won't get hurt.   Take the risks and accept the possible results.

Respect their instincts and enjoy the fact that they're not locked up.   Enjoy the experience of seeing some of the purest breed of dingo's around in their own habitat and again - be smart around them.

And don't get me started on the Great Whites off WA!

[Beatle]

So the answer is to clear humans from the island and ban anyone travelling there. 

And funny how we always refer to 'tourists' as the third person...........

[oldmate]

And funny how we always refer to 'tourists' as the third person...........

Lol. Yeah like we arnt tourists when we go there hahahaha


Dingos are wild animals, simple and straight, the same as a croc, a snake (whether it's in your tank at home or not) a lizard, a funnel web spider. They are wild and should be treated as such.

[Beatle]