It's for his own good.

[Mik01]

I agree the copper did his duty without fear or favour and that's to apply the Law as it stands. However this window law is an anachronous and typical nanny-state law among so many others.

Agree. If the purpose is theft deterrent, then you're just punishing the victims, or possible victims by fining for windows down slightly. I should be able to leave my windows down, doors unlocked etc and be safe from theft, and/or safe from constable Bloggs' fines.

Much like girls should be able to walk down the street at night safe - same thing. Should we hand out fines to women for placing themselves in positions or places where they MIGHT be attacked or that have a recent history of such attacks?

[fuji]

WTF? Only one ticket?  I would have given him all three. Suck it up Princess!
 

[berlitza]

Agree. If the purpose is theft deterrent, then you're just punishing the victims, or possible victims by fining for windows down slightly. I should be able to leave my windows down, doors unlocked etc and be safe from theft, and/or safe from constable Bloggs' fines.

Much like girls should be able to walk down the street at night safe - same thing. Should we hand out fines to women for placing themselves in positions or places where they MIGHT be attacked or that have a recent history of such attacks?

Or not locking up letter boxes, ohhh the scenarios endless  , lets all leave ours car locked up in the garages for a month and see if our insurance premiums go down 

[Mallory Black]

Personally I'd have busted Mr Harris for the parking infringements.
It's the height of ignorance and laziness to think that it's OK to park a car pointing the wrong way on any street.

what a dickhead.

[Mik01]

Or not locking up letter boxes, ohhh the scenarios endless  , lets all leave ours car locked up in the garages for a month and see if our insurance premiums go down 

Oh. My. God.

My letterbox isn't locked! Spose it would be my own fault if some bills got stolen. Best write me a ticket to teach me a lesson...

[D4D]

My letterbox isn't locked! Spose it would be my own fault if some bills got stolen. Best write me a ticket to teach me a lesson...

That's the least of your worries, the identity thief has already got a shiny new credit card and a personal loan in your name from your unlocked letterbox that will teach you a lesson.

[JCAT]

Lets not forget people.

The laws are made for the people, by the people.

We don't make them, we only enforce them.

If you don't like a law or regulation write to your local member and see how you go.

Coppers do get sick of investigating volume crime like Theft From Motor Vehicles where windows and doors left open, with a purse, handbag, laptop or GPS in plain view for the next ICE junkie that comes along.

[jetcrew]

Police are PAID BY TAX DOLLARS,

I for one like the idea that they are doing what they are paid for.

I bet that the cost of dealing with minor vehicle thefts from people just like that guy is probably 1/2 million a year of tax payers dollars and means police are tied up taking statements and all the paperwork.

that guy is probably hating on the world right now, but I am pretty sure if he got back to his illegally parked car and noticed something gone he would have gone to the police asked them to fingerprint his car blah blah blah and the cost to me as a tax payer would be huge. Let alone his insurance claim driving my premiums up.

So I vote for cost minimisation in relation to  these matters ..he pays a fine for being stupid and leaving his car unlocked and insecure  or better it would be good if he signs a wavier that he wont burn up my tax dollars asking the police to spend resources and my money investigating any thefts from his car. ( but that's not an option)

Lock ya car you moron, he paid $44 saved all of us paying $5000 investigating the theft of his .... from his car.

My 2c

Jet

 

[evans52]

The Bloke got off lightly. Nothing worse than an unwarranted "poor me I got screwed over" attitude. He's probably the Cousin of the Bloke that tried to pay his Parking fine in 5c pieces.

didn't put on their seatbelt to move their car from second in line to the next available fuel bowser on the servo forecourt!

Shouldn't the seatbelt still be on after pulling into the Servo from a road?

[prodigyrf]

Lock ya car you moron, he paid $44 saved all of us paying $5000 investigating the theft of his .... from his car.

So it's better if the thief breaks a window or jemmies the door lock is it? What's wrong with a completely empty unlocked car with the windows down, given they have engine immobilisers nowadays?

Had my ute window broken one rainy night in a breakin spree across many suburbs and it was parked in my carport.  The daughter's car parked in the street had her door lock busted and an unsuccessful attempt to steal it by ram-raiders (cops actually dusted for fingrprints, took polaroid photos and took a dropped rag away for dna testing would you believe) After that I leave my ute doors unlocked as having to clean up the glass and waiting 8 hours for a replacement due to the demand I also lost a day's work. Great nanny law that is.

[prodigyrf]

The shorter public circus nannystaters- Leave your iphone, handbag or laptop on the seat with your car locked and windows down 4.9cm and you're one of them. Leave an empty car locked with the windows down 5.1cm and you're nicked 

Yeah I know I shouldn't encourage them once they've bedded down their latest and greatest window cms law, the intray is empty and they're looking a bit surplus to requirements again.

[Mik01]

So it's better if the thief breaks a window or jemmies the door lock is it? What's wrong with a completely empty unlocked car with the windows down, given they have engine immobilisers nowadays?

Had my ute window broken one rainy night in a breakin spree across many suburbs and it was parked in my carport.  The daughter's car parked in the street had her door lock busted and an unsuccessful attempt to steal it by ram-raiders (cops actually dusted for fingrprints, took polaroid photos and took a dropped rag away for dna testing would you believe) After that I leave my ute doors unlocked as having to clean up the glass and waiting 8 hours for a replacement due to the demand I also lost a day's work. Great nanny law that is.

I got my door lock busted and 5c pieces of change stolen from the centre console, at Roma st station car park, while I was at work.
 Keep in mind it's directly opposite police headquarters - so I called police at about 5pm. They said they would be out when they could. 2 and half hours later, I'm still sitting there. Call back and told they still don't know when they can make it.
Had never had a break in, so I thought I needed police to attend, if only for insurance purposes. After 3 hrs, I call back and they advise me to go home and bring car in to cop shop next day, if I wanted...
I didn't bother. Found out lock replacement was less than insurance excess, so rather than waste a day off work I just drove it around with a busted lock the next few days, and made sure it was empty of valuables.
Cost me $300 I recall. And they got less than $5 in 5c pieces from the console. If my door was unlocked, they would simply have taken the money, and moved on without damage. Either way, they were getting in.

Side note - massively disappointed in cops response. Couldn't care less attitude.

[krisandkev]

Side note - massively disappointed in cops response. Couldn't care less attitude.

Did you speak to a Police Officer?   Most calls are answered by non police.  I can see why you felt like you did.  But just because you are parked across from a station does not mean you will jump the call list.  Jobs are assigned on a priority bases.  Imagine if you are being threatened by an armed person and you are waiting for the police and when they turn up way too late they tell you they were investigation where some property was stolen out of a car. You will be very upset. But you should voice your complaint in writing to the service.  Attitude is very difficult in call centre operations; it is difficult to be helpful when receiving so many calls and often getting abused from callers.  Not that that is an excuse.  If you are a victim your call is extremely important. The call centre operator probably should have told you that police will not be attending, or that they could be several hours, which is getting more the norm nowadays.  Just a simple fact, too much crime, not enough police.  But being a victim just sucks and you should be upset.  Kevin

[Bunyip]

I have to say that I agree with the cop for booking regarding the window. As far as "public safety" because the car was parked on the wrong side of the road, and on the footpath, at least it was parked. An ounce of prevention etc....
A stolen car is likely to be moving fast to avoid police and more likely to cause serious injury to the public.

I got a parking fine the other day, the Police almost fell over when I didn't argue but said I was an idiot for not reading the sign properly. Could the Police have been doing something else, maybe. Is that a justification for me ranting about them wasting their time booking me for parking when they could have been ...... no way.

[briann532]

I drove 700 kms yesterday and blow me down, the damn coppers were everywhere......
It pees me right off.....
Haven't they got anything better to do than stop speeding, drunk, unlicensed drivers with no rego or insurance?
It was ridiculous........I had to drive the whole way in safety because of them.
Took the fun right out of it. No risk of dying and not making it home safely to my family, because these blokes want to do there job........
How dare they.....

I did however manage to escape several speeding fines.
It was really easy. All I did was not speed. Can't work out why other people don't try it?

I did the other day, stop deliberately in a no stopping zone.
I parked back about 50 metres from a crash hoping to use my car as a shield between the traffic and the accident.
Dopey constable then pitches up and uses his car with flashing lights to do the same.
Thanks me for being sensible, then suggests I move it so my car is safe from rubberneckers.
He then told me that it's great having the number scanners as he can catch more morons endangering motorists.
How rude.... Trying to save lives and keep dangerous people off the road.

I reckon the bloke who got the ticket got off easy....
Just do the right thing and it's not a problem.
Cops are only enforcing the rules we keep breaking.
Here's a thought. If you want to get back at the cops, don't break the rules and make their lives really boring.
That'll fix em!!!!!

[dazzler]

LOL Briann


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[Mik01]

I did the other day, stop deliberately in a no stopping zone.
I parked back about 50 metres from a crash hoping to use my car as a shield between the traffic and the accident.
Dopey constable then pitches up and uses his car with flashing lights to do the same.
Thanks me for being sensible, then suggests I move it so my car is safe from rubberneckers.
He then told me that it's great having the number scanners as he can catch more morons endangering motorists.
How rude.... Trying to save lives and keep dangerous people off the road.

I reckon the bloke who got the ticket got off easy....
Just do the right thing and it's not a problem.
Cops are only enforcing the rules we keep breaking.
Here's a thought. If you want to get back at the cops, don't break the rules and make their lives really boring.
That'll fix em!!!!!

so you deliberately broke the law, placed yourself in danger, and that of other road users.  there are no excuses for breaking a law, according to our friendly police force. 
if the copper had given you a ticket, which he probably should have, you would be the first one whinging all over town.  but you got let off, as he used his discretion.

you got lucky. had someone hit your vehicle, you would have been charged, and sued no doubt, and/or injured to boot. you say not to break the rules, yet you just admit to breaking the rules in the same comment!

[Bunyip]

so you deliberately broke the law, placed yourself in danger, and that of other road users.  there are no excuses for breaking a law, according to our friendly police force. 
if the copper had given you a ticket, which he probably should have, you would be the first one whinging all over town.  but you got let off, as he used his discretion.

you got lucky. had someone hit your vehicle, you would have been charged, and sued no doubt, and/or injured to boot. you say not to break the rules, yet you just admit to breaking the rules in the same comment!

Infact no standing etc.. apply in non-emergency situations. I believe in the circumstances mentioned that would constitute an emergency, therefore the issuing of a ticket would not have been appropriate.

[Mik01]

Did you speak to a Police Officer?   Most calls are answered by non police.  I can see why you felt like you did.  But just because you are parked across from a station does not mean you will jump the call list.  Jobs are assigned on a priority bases.  Imagine if you are being threatened by an armed person and you are waiting for the police and when they turn up way too late they tell you they were investigation where some property was stolen out of a car. You will be very upset. But you should voice your complaint in writing to the service.  Attitude is very difficult in call centre operations; it is difficult to be helpful when receiving so many calls and often getting abused from callers.  Not that that is an excuse.  If you are a victim your call is extremely important. The call centre operator probably should have told you that police will not be attending, or that they could be several hours, which is getting more the norm nowadays.  Just a simple fact, too much crime, not enough police.  But being a victim just sucks and you should be upset.  Kevin

I rang the branch direct and spoke to the person on front desk duty - could have been a civvy I guess. no one expects them to drop urgent calls and rush out to such a small incident like mine.  but it was amusing that it was Qld police headquarters, and accounting for time to stop and push the pedestrian walk button, would have taken 5 minutes to walk to me to document the situation.
my point was with respect to the supposed costs and time of attending property thefts being the reason for deterrent fines - ironic that they didn't turn up and couldn't tell me how long until someone might turn up, and didn't seem to really care.

I guess it is such a small incident the paperwork etc would have been a real pain to follow through with nearly zero chance of catching the slime bag that did the crime.

as a result, my theft and damage was never recorded or investigated - wonder how many others are like this?

[dazzler]

so you deliberately broke the law, placed yourself in danger, and that of other road users.  there are no excuses for breaking a law, according to our friendly police force. 
if the copper had given you a ticket, which he probably should have, you would be the first one whinging all over town.  but you got let off, as he used his discretion.

you got lucky. had someone hit your vehicle, you would have been charged, and sued no doubt, and/or injured to boot. you say not to break the rules, yet you just admit to breaking the rules in the same comment!

Ahh another general ignorance post.

Section 165 of the Australian Road Rules provides an exemption for parking anywhere anytime under certain conditions.

Please know what you are talking about before rubbishing someone.  Its simple - Austlii will tell you everything you need to know.


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[discoteddy]

Ahh another general ignorance post.

Section 165 of the Australian Road Rules provides an exemption for parking anywhere anytime under certain conditions.

Please know what you are talking about before rubbishing someone.  Its simple - Austlii will tell you everything you need to know.


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Well said, a lot of aimless generalising by people with little or no knowledge of the legislation.


Cheers

Disco teddy

[krisandkev]

I rang the branch direct and spoke to the person on front desk duty - could have been a civvy I guess. no one expects them to drop urgent calls and rush out to such a small incident like mine.  but it was amusing that it was Qld police headquarters, and accounting for time to stop and push the pedestrian walk button, would have taken 5 minutes to walk to me to document the situation.
my point was with respect to the supposed costs and time of attending property thefts being the reason for deterrent fines - ironic that they didn't turn up and couldn't tell me how long until someone might turn up, and didn't seem to really care.

I guess it is such a small incident the paperwork etc would have been a real pain to follow through with nearly zero chance of catching the slime bag that did the crime.

as a result, my theft and damage was never recorded or investigated - wonder how many others are like this?

I am a bit confused.  What do you mean by branch? Traffic branch, CIB branch?  131444 is the PoliceLink number and maybe you should ring that number and have your complaint recorded and explain what happened and how bad you were dealt with when you rang the ‘branch’.  Maybe it is not right, but police services have had to prioritise their resources and minor crime, I know it was not minor to you and rightly so, are unable to be investigated on a case by case basis.   You can also go to the Qld Police web site and complete a complaint there about how you were handled. It is your right to complain, so exercise your right.  Kevin

[t303]

Dazz and Disco;
you both are correctly quoting the law, and I suspect most people here are familiar with the laws generally.   What I think that most here are upset about (my opinion only I guess) is how the police seem to either selectively or incorrectly apply the law to the public (eg booking you on a servo forecourt: and yes maybe you should just leave your belt on until at the pump: but that's not the LAW; so are our police ignorant of it or unlawfully applying it?)  or bend it to their own advantage.  I have lost count of the times I have slowed for an amber light only to have a police vehicle suddenly turn on the xmas tree, blast through the red, then immediately turn the lights off again;  is there an emergency or not?  If any of them ever clean up another vehicle I will be star witness for the victim.  Just last week I was being tailgated by a paddy wagon only about 2kms from the police HQ.  Suddenly the lights and siren come on, I pull over, they roar past and less than 1km down the road the lights etc are turned off as the vehicle cruises into the police carpark.  WTF?  Yes they have a crappy job and cop flack (much of it undeserved, some richly deserved), but if you want respect ya gotta earn it by being clean and consistent  (and applying a little CDF).

[Footy Shorts Shane]

If my door was unlocked, they would simply have taken the money, and moved on without damage. Either way, they were getting in.

Don't bet on it.

Had one car broken into a while ago. Super intelligent crim breaks rear passenger side glass, unlocks door with bleeding hand. Climbs across back seat and unlocks DS rear door. Unlocks DS front door, exits vehicle, re-enters through DS front. 

He then proceeds to attempt to "hot wire" the car with the dash light dimmer wires.   

Must have thought it was a fully hektic ride like his mates cars with chopped rear springs that sit 3" lower in the rear than the front. It wasn't fully hektic, it had no engine in it.   

They can open an unlocked glove box or centre console. But they don't. The rip the ****ing lids off them. They tear service books up, scatter Shit every where. Why

The same glove box that they just ripped out, had a yellow button in there. Push it and the boot opens. Not hard...... But no, it's more fun to use a pinch bar or tyre lever and destroy the boot and beaver panel in the process. 

They are scum. They will destroy Shit just because they can.

Shane.

[Mik01]

Ahh another general ignorance post.

Section 165 of the Australian Road Rules provides an exemption for parking anywhere anytime under certain conditions.

Please know what you are talking about before rubbishing someone.  Its simple - Austlii will tell you everything you need to know.


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Speaking of ignorance, the road rules are governed by States and Territories. Haven't seen a copy of the 'Australian road rules'.