Gun users advice needed

[jetcrew]

Jet the savage packages are great value, I bought a simalar one a couple of months ago. Don't you just love how a trip to the gunshop ends up costing you two or three rifles? What calibre is the lever action? I have been thinking of one myself.

It is the Winchester 9422   .22MAGNUM only had 50 rounds through it.   

can't believe what they are selling for.

Jet

[jetcrew]

Potentially the fast twist barrel may not shoot the lighter pills as well.......depends alot on the rifle. Personally I would not buy a fast twist unless you are looking at long range bench rest comp where the faster twist and heavier pills come into their own.

As an allrounder for small critters a standard 1:12 twist will be just fine for 40 - 55gr pills.

solid advice there mate, this was my concern when they were talking about the heavier pills, so the hunt is now on for a nice 223 for me...

Given the savage axis was $500  I would like to set myself up at around the $1200. the tika was a very nice riffle but the fast twist did have me worried as the whole point of this is to get 2 riffles that can share the same ammo, last thing i want is to start to carry 2 types of 223.

My list is

223
synthetic stock
external magazine (bigger the better)   

Jet

[jetcrew]

wow oh wow I had no idea my head would hurt this much LOL

so in 223 I need to decide in twist rate and ammo weight/size, so looking at the savage axis I bought the young fella and how cheap you can buy 55gr ammo I would like something capable of a 40g - 70g round as anything larger I will break out the 243.

So from my research

1:12 does the lighter stuff but will tumble a heavy round
1:9    a good all-rounder doing most grains

1:8 good for the heavy stuff but no good on the 40-55grain and the barrel wears quick

Am i on the right track as some forums people say that the 1:8 will fire a 55gr no prob out to 200.

Hey GangG can you PM your number so I can pick your brains .

Jet

[Firedogg]

I grew up with 22's and learnt to shoot with a Remington from a very early age.
I now have a healthy respect for firearms, so I think your boy will be in good hands.

[GanG]

PM Done

Am i on the right track as some forums people say that the 1:8 will fire a 55gr no prob out to 200.

Sorta it will either shoot the pill accurately or not........the distance is a little bit irrelevant.

Do you handload? If not just go 1:12, as most readily available factory ammo is going to be 40,50 or 55grain perfect for rabbits to roo's (most states have a 55gr min for roo's)Save yourself the pain of something designed for a niche market and have fun IMO

I am a fan of the .243 even though I dont currently own one.........they are a versatile little round

[jetcrew]

Ok bit of an update.

I did manage to find a Tika T3 lite in Stainless with a 1:12 twist..so I am very happy , put deposit down yesterday (browns plains gun shop of all places)

So Myself and son will both have 223 that can fire 40-60g ammo but will stick to 50-55g ammo.

So now the Scope dilemma comes into play

I am thing of the Leopold VX1 3-9x40 ...this seems like a good all round balance for the riffle, considering I am not trying to shoot at 400mts and being a T3 lite I want it for foot patrol and target at upto 200 mtrs  and the abilty to shoulder and acquire easily.

I know the bigger stuff will be nice on the bench rest at distance but i want an all rounder for my scope , and lots of reading suggests that this is a good scope for my purpose, any advice from you guys.

Jet

[Diver]

I have had a Krico 22wmr for the last 35 years and it has a Tasco 3-9 x 40 scope.  Great rifle out to about 120 metres and has dropped foxes at around 200.  I cannot complain about the Tasco but am not sure if the current models are the same (or better) build quality than the one I bought all those years ago.

It is a good combo though.

[edz]

G,Day JCrew, Have you thought of looking [ pun not intended ] at an Ocluded eye style of sight [ Shoot with both eyes open ] I used to use an Armson OEG gun sight and found it so much better than telescopic sights, you still have your peripheral vision to pick up other targets and can shoot on the move easily... Easy way to explain them is to look at something both eyes open and hold up a finger between your eyes and what youre looking at, you can then see through your finger .. in the sight is a red or green dot that can be adjusted left / right up / down just like a regular telescopic sight .. raise rifle red or green dot on target and
 sqeeze of a shot ..
The bit with the clear cover is the front of the sight .this vieo sort of explains it better but is a different type of sight.

Shooting With Both Eyes Open: The Bindon Aiming Concept (BAC)

[Tim - Stratford]

Have you thought of looking [ pun not intended ] at an Ocluded eye style of sight [ Shoot with both eyes open ]

Great fun with the above or a red dot style sight. I'm in the process of building up a rimfire bunny buster - waiting for a Redfield 'Counter-Strike' red dot to turn up.

I used to use a red dot on my handguns and shotguns when shooting competitively.

For a rimfire a small 3moa dot doesn't inhibit them much on rabbits at medium to close ranges.

[Spurio]

Like anything mechanical and techincal there are many internet measurbators.

The main thing is to get out there and have a go, what ever you get will work, when you/your son get better and can actually tell the difference upgrade.

I'd go a 3-9x50, basically because it lets in a bit more light at dusk and dawn.

Speak to Joel from www.4scopes.com, much better prices than in Oz, it will cost you $50 delivery to Australia.

As for 223 ammo keep an eye out for Hornady steelmatch, comes in boxes of 50 for around $30. Perfect for high velocity lead injections for roos 

[jetcrew]

Update--

got the PTA form back for the sons 223 savage axis in the mail today so will collect his this week and sneak a pic for ya.

Still waiting on my PTA for the Tika, I have about 90% decided on a 3-9 X 40 Leopould VX2. Found one on-line at a local gun store who are renowned for never having stock so will have to call up and see if they have any or are just listing low prices to get customers calling them up.

So that will sort my riffle out nicely. and a good bit of fun for us over x-mas period at the range zeroing them in.

Thanks to all for your input, I got a new safe delivered the other day 400KGs had to get the neighbour to bring his bob cat in to get it off the trailer. good luck moving it to any would be thief's.

Jet

[Homer_Jay]

I have a couple of lupy vx2 3-9x40 and I think they are a top scope for the money.

I usually buy mine from 'the rifle scope store' always had good service and reasonable prices. I try and avoid the local shop....... For reasons you probably know!

Do you guys know about the Rocksberg range? Probably a good place to take your young bloke for a local shoot if you need to sight in the new toy.
Might save a drive drown to south side.

[jetcrew]

I have a couple of lupy vx2 3-9x40 and I think they are a top scope for the money.

I usually buy mine from 'the rifle scope store' always had good service and reasonable prices. I try and avoid the local shop....... For reasons you probably know!

Do you guys know about the Rocksberg range? Probably a good place to take your young bloke for a local shoot if you need to sight in the new toy.
Might save a drive drown to south side.

Is the range open ..I know there was some objection..can't find any info online except the web site but no numbers to call.

The VX2 is $411 at the place I hate shop, but the actually have it in stock and cheaper than the rest, can you recommend a decent shop on the north side.

Jet

[chester ver2.0]

He is a kid and accidents will happen go with the cheapest scope possible for starters. Till he figures out how sensitive it is

[paulo]

The leupold scopes have a lifetime warranty, so I reckon get him a good one to start with, teach him how to look after it and he'll be set.

Have fun and be safe.
Paulo

[noel_w]

Might save a drive drown to south side.

I hear there is a good camping ground at Belmont. Just a bit noisy on Saturday mornings   


Live just around the corner from it but over the hill a bit so don't get the noise.

[jetcrew]

He is a kid and accidents will happen go with the cheapest scope possible for starters. Till he figures out how sensitive it is

Sorry should have been clearer 

His Savage axis comes in a package with scope (can't even remember what it is)

the VX2 is to sit on my Tika T3

Got a call today from gun shop and they can offer me the T3 in black syn or factory timber laminate , I am seriously thing of the laminate jobbie.

So now the Mrs wants to learn to shoot as well   so the hunt is back on for a 22WMR , I will allow about $500 all up with scope for a package so what's your thoughts on them , I have been told I will need to order and wait for it as 22wmr is in low supply ATM.

seen a savage model 93 22wmr stainless varmiteer at $445 second hand with scope in VGC,

Jet

[edz]

Heres a HOLY CR*P rifle for you JC

Shooting The Largest Rifle Ever Made

[Dice]

Sorry should have been clearer 

His Savage axis comes in a package with scope (can't even remember what it is)

the VX2 is to sit on my Tika T3

Got a call today from gun shop and they can offer me the T3 in black syn or factory timber laminate , I am seriously thing of the laminate jobbie.

So now the Mrs wants to learn to shoot as well   so the hunt is back on for a 22WMR , I will allow about $500 all up with scope for a package so what's your thoughts on them , I have been told I will need to order and wait for it as 22wmr is in low supply ATM.

 

seen a savage model 93 22wmr stainless varmiteer at $445 second hand with scope in VGC,

Jet

the only problem I've found with the laminate is the weight they are generally a fair bit heavier than synthetic or timber,something to consider if you are going to do a bit of walking with it.

[jetcrew]

EDZ,

that would be good for Lara's first shoot .....not ..holy crap that was huge

Jet

[jetcrew]

the only problem I've found with the laminate is the weight they are generally a fair bit heavier than synthetic or timber,something to consider if you are going to do a bit of walking with it.

Sound advice ..the whole point of getting the T3 Lite was for walking ect will have  a feel of them before comitting either way, unlike a marriage at least it will still feel the same as time goes on ...LOL

Maybe teaching Lara to shoot is not such a good idea ....I will have to behave more

Jet

[Sawed-Off]

My wife didn't want guns in the house. Now she owns 4 of her own, including 2 revolvers, and she's keen on me buying a 45/70 Sharps that she'll shoot, too. 

Marksmanship is a really fun family activity and fits well with our (MySwag members collectively) love of the outdoors.

[GMac]

Jet

Try Caboolture Firearms mate,

Best part is they are just down the road!!!!!

Greg