Fines for items in utes- fact or fiction

[MarkGU]

Oh for god sake you lot, it's the law to restrain your load, the law is the law and trying to put up every excuse under the sun on a forum like this wont change the law, so abide by the law or run the risk of getting fined.  Should be end of story, other wise run for parliament and change the law.


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looks like someone need a red wine and a hug 

[CRW]

looks like someone need a red wine and a hug 

Are you offering Mark


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[MarkGU]

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no not desperate Carl 

[CRW]

no not desperate Carl 

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[Symon]

Really this is just over the top bureaucratic revenue raising with people getting fined for not securing small items such as thongs, beer cans.......... etc. At some point people need to apply common sense and be responsible for their own actions, or inaction.

Yep, so called 'common sense' would tell you not to put unrestrained stuff in the back, so that you don't have it fly out and either litter the side of the road, or hit some other poor bugger.

It is pretty obvious that those who argue against these fines are severely lacking in 'common sense'.

[MarkGU]

Symon.

Ever notice people with common sense don't have a Degree?

 

[darrenh]

Didn't happen to me, but to my brother when I was sitting in the passengers seat - does that count?

He had a pair of boots in the back, copper pulled him up for an RBT and fined him $100 for unsecured load.  When my brother arced up about it, the copper made it $100 per boot, so $200.  My brother shut up after that.

Moral of the story - secure your load, don't put loose stuff in the tray, and secondly don't be a dick to a copper.

Another thing to consider - see all that rubbish along the side of the road?  Not all of that is by people throwing rubbish out the window, a lot of that is rubbish being blown out the back of utes.

Thanks Simon
The only one with first hand proof
I read the legislation and it appears that the transport inspectors are allowed to charge a maximum of 20 penalty units at $110 per unit or $2200.
I have asked a few police and their answer was they are more than busy with other offenses.

This has been an interesting subject. I didn't think it would be so confrontational.

[crackacoldie]

In SA it will cost you $1000 per offence.  This includes unrestrained items in a station wagon with no cargo barrier, or items in front of the cargo barrier or in the cabin of a ute or sedan.  Cannot find the article now, but do know of an occasion where an elderly lady was fined in Petreborough SA for having the newspaper on the front seat.

Pretty simple, keep it secure or the contents of your wallet are at risk.

[Foss]

Late last year, I saw a 1 tonne odd safe in the middle of the Eastern Freeway. All the gouge marks in the road were testament to its path of travel after it came off the back of the crane truck it had been sitting on. The truck driver was working his backside off winching it back on the tray bed. Imagine smacking into that at speed !! Luckily that did not occur. Oh, and not a load binder in sight. The bloody thing had been just sitting on the truck. How do I know? I stopped to help out and got it from the horse's mouth !! He thought the weight of it would be sufficient !!  Hmmmm !! Goes to show, just because it is heavy does not mean it is going to stay there.

[DaveR]

Here’s something else which can spoil your day.
MUD which falls off your vehicle, big dried chunky bits which fall off underneath the vehicle following a good weekend.
Yes, you can be fined for this to.
I have worked on sites where all heavy vehicles leaving the site to enter public roads pass over an extended cattle grid and wash down bay to shake off access dirt.

The fines for this on the commercial scale are big, I also know it can be applied to your average 4wd, but no details at hand for what the fines are.

In addition, if you lights are not clear due to dirt etc, you can be fined for this to…..
Yep, its sad etc etc, but it is the rules.

[Symon]

Symon.

Ever notice people with common sense don't have a Degree?

 

I don't think it is limited to those with degrees, but rather those who practise critical thinking - this is of course what you learn with higher order education but plenty of non-tertiary educated people do it as well.

I can't remember where I read it but there is a good example associated with traffic lights and levels of thought.

Lowest level - "I won't run that red light because I will get in trouble"
Medium level - "I won't run that red light because it is against the law"
Higher level - "I won't run that red light because someone could get hurt"

The concept of "common sense" sits below the lowest level.

[Hairs]

Here’s something else which can spoil your day.
MUD which falls off your vehicle, big dried chunky bits which fall off underneath the vehicle following a good weekend.
Yes, you can be fined for this to.
I have worked on sites where all heavy vehicles leaving the site to enter public roads pass over an extended cattle grid and wash down bay to shake off access dirt.

I mentioned that earlier,

Also, all vehicles are not to drag mud and rubbish from a construction site on to a public road.
Really no different to after you have been off road and have mud stuck under your vehicle and a clump of mud causes an accident.

It was ignored.
 

[darrenh]

I don't think it is limited to those with degrees, but rather those who practise critical thinking - this is of course what you learn with higher order education but plenty of non-tertiary educated people do it as well.

I can't remember where I read it but there is a good example associated with traffic lights and levels of thought.

Lowest level - "I won't run that red light because I will get in trouble"
Medium level - "I won't run that red light because it is against the law"
Higher level - "I won't run that red light because someone could get hurt"

The concept of "common sense" sits below the lowest level.

I think that believing that people with degrees don't practise common sense is like saying that tradespersons all have tunnel vision and lack the ability to comprehend multiple solutions to problems.

Is the forum becoming a place for antagonism and mud slinging?



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[D4D]

I guess this trucky is in trouble...

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/freeway-closed-after-truckie-loses-load-20130501-2irnb.html

Police closed a section of the Hume Freeway on Wednesday morning after a pallet fell off a truck, spilling machine parts across the road.

[GeeTee]

I was in Qld again yesterday - every ute I saw had a net over it.

[DaveR]

Sorry Harris, I failed to read that.

Just saw a great example, in Oxenford this morning.
Guy in a ford Ranger ute with 6m lengths of roofing sheets held onto his car at the rear tray pipe rack bar with 8 mm polly string, and at the front with clear packing tape over the sheets above the drivers door, into the passenger window, across inside of car, out of drivers door and over the top again. About 6 raps I counted....
The safety feature was.
1. hand out the window to gauge how much lift there was under the sheets, yep, the drivers hand.
2. slow speed of vehicle according to amount of lift. Into the wind, he was managing about 38 k p/h.

Safety at its finest.
Sorry I couldn't take a video of it.

[Hairs]

Safety at its finest.
Sorry I couldn't take a video of it.

50 Bucks off ebay for a dash cam.
Post it on youtube and give a copy to the coppers.
Make sure it is date and time stamped correctly.
 

[Barry G]

How fast were you going to have that happen?

Really this is just over the top bureaucratic revenue raising with people getting fined for not securing small items such as thongs, beer cans.......... etc. At some point people need to apply common sense and be responsible for their own actions, or inaction.
And FWIW I would have had that tyre secure so a lesson well learnt there mate

I' agree that on some things, like fines for being momentarily more than 2 kph over the speed limit are pretty much just fundraising because, even with cruise control on permanently, it is still not possible to ensure that you remain under the limit in all situations, it isn't always safe to run with cruise control and it is dangerous to focus primarily on the speedo while driving.
However this issue is different.
I'm not interested in f*ctards 'taking responsibility for their ... inaction'.   I, and the rest of us, are ENTITLED to have ourselves and our loved ones remain as safe as can be expected on the roads through compliance with the law by others.
If said f*tards aren't prepared to comply with the law then it is reasonable to expect that they won't take responsibility for that inaction either. Besides which, nothing can bring back a loved one, restore a damaged body or brain.
Yes, a member of my extended family lost her father and bro in a road 'accident', and was lucky to not be killed herself at a very young age...

[fishfinder]

Anything can become a projectile at speed. A thong may not do much damage itself but if somebody swerves to avoid it that can cause an accident or worse. Secure your load or empty your ute, it is not that hard. I have had a roll of paper fall off a ute and a plastic bucket fly out just in this last year hence why I am a little precious on this.

if a thong was thrown out of the back of a ute and the driver had a body and looks of a sex goddess i would swerve for it and hopefully get a sniff.

[wmarsb]

As a truck driver from Brisbane I can tell you the dept transport have been targeting utes in areas around Brisbane lately.Is it worth the risk put a cover over ute and all is fine.

[Matto]

I think it's a good thing.

I was riding the motorcycle one day in Bris on a narrow back-road , and approached a Hino truck coming the other direction. As we were around 20m apart, a sheet of roofing iron lifted off the back and started to weave through the air towards me. I had no where to go, so just had to brake as hard as I could and try to guess which way it was going to go. It landed pretty much dead-centre of my lane. Scariest 8 seconds of my life. The tradies driving the truck didn't even notice.

Another time I was riding across the Victoria bridge, and watched a sofa on a ute in front come neatly sliding off into the middle of 3 lanes of traffic. That made everyone's morning.

Every ute up here has a net over it. I've often wondered what the rules are, since they all seem to be those big-hole nets, with half a dozen plastic hooks tying them down, yet they're securing wheelbarrows, cement mixers, etc... I guess the local cops must be keener on enforcing the "cover your load" part than the "make sure it's adequately secured" part.

Cheers,
Matto


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