New Patrol

[Bunyip]

Not too mention it is more stable when being carried in jerry cans and is more available in remote areas

[KingBilly]

is more available in remote areas

Really    I've never found just a diesel bowser at a commercial fuel outlet.  It's always been beside a ULP bowser.  Maybe some stations, missions etc.  But as I only used ULP, I learnt to cater for my own needs and carried sufficient.  But maybe I didn't travel the same tracks you have.

KB

[Flightrisk]

and has totally forgotten the people who got the Patrol its great name since the G60 came out.

How do you figure? As has been stated the 200 series starts well above 75k and is pretty far removed from the old 40 series. A lot of people can afford that sort of coin (not me) as shown by the qty of luxury chariots on the road.
Is the price compared to income ratio that much different now than it was when the GU was released?

[Bird]

How do you figure?

It is no longer a serious 4wd. Every Patrol from year dot to this show pony has had great offroad cred.

[jasonw]

It is no longer a serious 4wd. Every Patrol from year dot to this show pony has had great offroad cred.

only after people have spent thousands of $ on them.

[Flightrisk]

Fair enough. Each to their own I guess. Like I said though, when I was driving it for testing purposes I thought it performed well. And that was in standard trim with highway tyres on. And in reality, the majority of driving is not in serious offroad conditions.
It's worth checking out the wk2 keep grand Cherokee. Very similar specs to the y62, half the price.

[doc evil]

Really    I've never found just a diesel bowser at a commercial fuel outlet.  It's always been beside a ULP bowser.  Maybe some stations, missions etc.  But as I only used ULP, I learnt to cater for my own needs and carried sufficient.  But maybe I didn't travel the same tracks you have.

KB

Need to get into the "real" outback.

You CANNOT get ULP in most remote areas as they only stock OPAL fuel (ULP replacement) so from Ularu to Laverton  (Great Central Road) ........1100 odd Km of no ULP..........

[schmik]

So... you decide what vehicle to buy based on that one trip you might do one day?   Or actually do once every few years?

If the oiler was the same price as the guzzler then it would be a conversation worth having.

[Jenko67]

AND the 200 starts at..........................................oh look, $80K for the barn doored standard...........

Apples and oranges mate,
You bought what I would class as a mid sized 4WD. Completely outta the game with what I would class as a LARGE 4WD's.

As for the Y61 with the milk bottle engine (the only things that should come in 3lt is milk and orange juice)............

exactly, we have a 200 series with barn doors that we use at work for 4wd training but at least you could pick up a bigger patrol (than the pajero to some) for a good price.. cant wait to next week.. 4wd course.. trip to staddie..

[Jenko67]

I think the new Patrol is targeting a very different market to the Pajero and whilst both are 4X4 and can tow a CT, they are very different vehicles.

KB

Certainly agree mate, very different vehicles with different markets... will be interested in the sales figures.

[KingBilly]

Need to get into the "real" outback.

You CANNOT get ULP in most remote areas as they only stock OPAL fuel (ULP replacement) so from Ularu to Laverton  (Great Central Road) ........1100 odd Km of no ULP..........

OK, you got me on the Laverton Road.  No experience.  But  would you consider the Strzelecki, Oodnadatta and the Tanami as the "real" outback?  What about Cameron Corner and Poeppel Corner?  Plus many, many other outback adventures.  And on a motorcycle? Unsupported?  I would 

As you say OPAL is generally available and what does OPAL fuel get used for? To replace ULP.  My bike ran fine on it.  From the RACQ website:

OPAL exceeds all national standards for regular ULP (91 RON) and can be used in all regular ULP automotive applications including two and four-stroke engines. It can be used in outboards too but isn’t suitable for aviation use. Tests show it provides similar performance, a negligible increase in fuel consumption and similar or slightly reduced exhaust emissions compared to normal ULP. It can be safely mixed with regular ULP too.

Anyway my argument was that there isn't much difference in the availability of diesel and ULP (or OPAL) in the outback, real or not.  For the very, very few times you would need to worry about the non availability of ULP, it should not be a deal breaker in considering a petrol 4X4 (unlike what the magazines and people with limited experience try to tell you).

KB

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[achjimmy]

Amazing a decade plus years ago Mitsbishi changed the Pajero to monocoque and independant all round and then introduced traction control and the model has copped jibes from the "real 4wd" brigade ever since. Only took Nissan 12 years to catch up. 

Seuiroisly This is not for the US market either, it's purely middle east. You hardly see a cruiser in the US either. I am making the assumption this monocoque ? I read somewhere it was but it was a while ago. I wonder how it goes on corrugated roads? Thats where there a diff in ride between Paj and Prado.

I also think they will introduce a diesel and are just being clever, the WHO and UN buy plenty of TD cruisers and there would be a market for a TD. Just they don't want people sitting n the fence now.

[Bird]

only after people have spent thousands of $ on them.

Rubbish... I've seen many live axle 4b's unmodded on club trips I've lead go a long way further than their owners ever dreamt their cars could go.

The biggest issue is people join forums and they get caught up in the rush... Everyone tells them they need 4ft lifts, twin lockers, crawler gears, fully worked twin motor high mount winch, just go go down to Coles.

[nbd73]

Indeed Lost, my father has a GQ patrol which has been to the centre of Australia and all over the east coast with zero mods other than a dual battery system. Still one of the best 4wd's in stock form IMO.

[Squalo]

OK, you got me on the Laverton Road.  No experience.  But  would you consider the Strzelecki, Oodnadatta and the Tanami as the "real" outback?  What about Cameron Corner and Poeppel Corner?  Plus many, many other outback adventures.  And on a motorcycle? Unsupported?  I would 

As you say OPAL is generally available and what does OPAL fuel get used for? To replace ULP.  My bike ran fine on it.  From the RACQ website:

OPAL exceeds all national standards for regular ULP (91 RON) and can be used in all regular ULP automotive applications including two and four-stroke engines. It can be used in outboards too but isn’t suitable for aviation use. Tests show it provides similar performance, a negligible increase in fuel consumption and similar or slightly reduced exhaust emissions compared to normal ULP. It can be safely mixed with regular ULP too.

  Kudos for doing those trips on a bike - I'd love to. One day...

The Y62 need premium unleaded, how does OPAL go in that scenario?

[Bunyip]

unlike what the magazines and people with limited experience try to tell you

Sorry guys, I didn't mean to start anything with that comment. I am going on what I have been told by a close mate who used to live at the Capricorn Roadhouse and was tasked with retrieving broken vehicles off the CSR, as well as delivering fuel drums out on the track as well.

I should have mentioned that I do not yet have experience with this, perhaps this is more a justification for me to get a diesel that I have been saying for so long I now believe my own bulls&*t. 

I stand by the fact that diesel is less volatile than ULP and therefore safer to carry additional in jerry cans etc..

Bunyip

[KingBilly]

Hey bunyip, no apologies necessary.  Impossible to offend me and as you've probably gathered I like nothing more than a bit of robust discussion     Besides I'm more often wrong than I'm right (just ask my wife)

Have never done the CSR as I would have needed support and I don't have any nor like that idea.

Valid point about the storage of the diesel.

KB

[Bunyip]

Hey bunyip, no apologies necessary.  Impossible to offend me and as you've probably gathered I like nothing more than a bit of robust discussion     Beside I'm more often wrong than I'm right (just ask my wife)

Have never done the CSR as I would have needed support and I don't have nor like that idea.

Valid point about the storage of the diesel.

KB

No worries KB, I like you are more often wrong that right to which LB can atest.

I would love to do the CSR one time, think I would take my mate with me as he has the experience (at least of the western part of it) and may be able to point out some good spots.

Bunyip

[KingBilly]

The Y62 need premium unleaded, how does OPAL go in that scenario?

Yep, it does like premium and OPAL is only 91 RON (standard ULP).

KB

[jasonw]

Rubbish... I've seen many live axle 4b's unmodded on club trips I've lead go a long way further than their owners ever dreamt their cars could go.

The biggest issue is people join forums and they get caught up in the rush... Everyone tells them they need 4ft lifts, twin lockers, crawler gears, fully worked twin motor high mount winch, just go go down to Coles.

so why do you think the y62 isnt a real 4wd any more? pretty sure it will go further than the owners ever dreamt.