New Patrol

[WilSurf]

Someone saying Lexus? 

[Bird]

And a 200 series is cheap...........

[Bird]

Or this donk
http://www.audiworld.com/news/05/a8tdi/content.shtml

[Paul (SA)]

I figure Australia is such a small market they decided to pull diesels and just import the massive new rig they build for larger overseas markets......makes sense to me. They probably will lose some of the market share here, but not as much as they would have lost trying to produce a vehicle to satisfy such a small demographic.

[Bird]

I figure Australia is such a small market they decided to pull diesels and just import the massive new rig they build for larger overseas markets......makes sense to me. They probably will lose some of the market share here, but not as much as they would have lost trying to produce a vehicle to satisfy such a small demographic.

Bingo
They want to take it to the USA.. the 100 sales they lose here, they will make 1000x in the USA... they aren't that stupid!

[crackacoldie]

im gonna win the one from Mr 4x4 Pat Callinan...then im gonna give my wife the hilux and trade the Pootrol in on a blinged up 200 series........ noice

Great plan, except I'm gonna win it

  Cracka

[Bunyip]

Great plan, except I'm gonna win it

  Cracka

Give us a go, just retrenched, I need some good luck


Bunyip

[wholehog]

Give us a go, just retrenched, I need some good luck


Bunyip

Ok..i will give u the camper that comes with it at a great price

[briann532]

STOLEN from another site......


On 91 octane, Patrol 21.3 L/100Km, Cruiser 18.5 L/100Km.
76 with 33 inch tyres and roofrack accompanying us as support, 17.2 L/100 Km.
From memory, GX 200 used about 13-14 L/100 Km over similar test a year ago.

Real life tests done in good old Oz just recently............

[KingBilly]

If you can afford a new one, I doubt you would be too worried about fuel consumption.  It's when they hit the second hand market that the fuel consumption becomes a bit of a issue/hurdle.

KB

[Bird]

STOLEN from another site......


On 91 octane, Patrol 21.3 L/100Km, Cruiser 18.5 L/100Km.
76 with 33 inch tyres and roofrack accompanying us as support, 17.2 L/100 Km.
From memory, GX 200 used about 13-14 L/100 Km over similar test a year ago.

Real life tests done in good old Oz just recently...

Stolen from a paper last week that was posted on this forum in the last "NEW PATROL" discussion.

http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor-news/first-drive-review-nissan-patrol-20130205-2dv93.html

That's partly because the new ‘‘Y62’’ Patrol is powered by a 5.6-litre V8 petrol engine producing 298kW of power and 560Nm of torque.
The official claimed consumption for combined urban and highway driving is 14.5L/100km - and many of the cars on test were registering closer to 16.0L after a day of mixed driving, though some were close to that after the first highway-heavy stint. In another hit, it requires premium fuel.

Real life tests done in good old Oz just recently............



But as said, if you can afford 100g's for a car to scratch and dent the arse out of fuel is the last of your worries.

[Jenko67]

And a 200 series is cheap...........

Yes the 200 series is not cheap, but you could pick up a Y61 Patrol for less than 60k so with the prices starting from 85k the nissan will lose sales, to pajero (which I bought because I couldn't wait for the new patrol and I knew they would be so expensive) or others..

Cheers

Jenko

[KingBilly]

the nissan will lose sales, to pajero .... or others..

I think the new Patrol is targeting a very different market to the Pajero and whilst both are 4X4 and can tow a CT, they are very different vehicles.

KB

[Armadillo & Customline Campers]

Still a lot of coin for a 4x4 and the extra tax on it too? ( if the gov still has it)

Rod.......

[doc evil]

Yes the 200 series is not cheap, but you could pick up a Y61 Patrol for less than 60k so with the prices starting from 85k the nissan will lose sales, to pajero (which I bought because I couldn't wait for the new patrol and I knew they would be so expensive) or others..

Cheers

Jenko

AND the 200 starts at..........................................oh look, $80K for the barn doored standard...........

Apples and oranges mate,
You bought what I would class as a mid sized 4WD. Completely outta the game with what I would class as a LARGE 4WD's.

As for the Y61 with the milk bottle engine (the only things that should come in 3lt is milk and orange juice)............

[MadMarv]

The Patrol club had one of these new patrols for viewing last wed night .... other than thinking its bloody big and it looked like a oversized navara i didnt really give it a second thought ... ... love my GU 4.8

[Fronteraboy]

Hey guys,  First post here... not what I was going post first....  But I am a New Nissan Salesman in Brisbane.

Y62 (new Patrol) and the Y61 (old Patrol) will be on sale side by side, same as the Navara D22 and D40.

From a salesman point of view, expensive 4x4, but as said elsewhere, it is directed towards a niche market, not really the everyday 4x4er.  Nissan has entered the "luxury" 4x4 market, to take on the likes of the Lexus, BMW, Audi, and so on.... 

Are they a good truck... well I have only had a couple of short drives in the TI-L ($130ishK)  very comfortable, very well appointed, great power.... Would I buy one... umm no... I would buy a Pathfinder or Navara D40.

(Note on the above this is my own opinion, not those of Nissan or my dealership).

[nbd73]

There are a few comments on here that echo a constant theme and that is this perception (mis conception in my book) that because someone can afford to spend $85k on a vehicle they suddenly don't give a rats a¥#e about fuel consumption. Where does this come from?  No body wants to spend more on day to day running costs than absolutely necessary. People who can afford these vehicles have usually scrimped and saved and been careful with their income to get there, and watching fuel consumption fits into that description I believe. Not all so called wealthy people have won lotto or received large inheritances.  A vehicle's fuel usage rate can be relevant for other reasons than how much you spend to fill it up eg range, state of tune of engine to name 2. 
Maybe I am wrong or just sensitive to this topic, but it amazes me how quite often (not always granted) those with lower cost vehicles that supposedly ARE worried about fuel consumption have thousands of $ of aftermarket kit bolted to their rigs, not all of it absolutely essential to perform 90% of the off road driving they will ever do.
I would imagine that prospective patrol owners will look at the fuel usage as one aspect when weighing up running costs etc.  it may turn some people off, but the choice for engine type in this vehicle bracket is pretty limited (RR Sport/Vogue, Lexus, X5, Benz all use V8 petrol engines as 1 option, some have diesel) and 2.5-3 tonne automatic 4WD's running on ULP are all going to be thirsty beasts if driven they way they were intended.

[Squalo]

^ Agreed. I am by no means wealthy, but as far as I am concerned $85k isn't a huge amount of money for a vehicle given the incomes that a large portion of the population have. You rub shoulders with $85k cars just about anytime you drive somewhere in a metro area.

[Flightrisk]

I spent a lot of time working on the left hand drive version from Abu Dhabi both on and off road. My opinion is don't knock it until you've driven it and can actually make a proper judgement. The one I drove had the hydraulic linked suspension (ala Toyota KDSS). Offroad it was awesome! It went everywhere as easily as anything else I have driven.
I think you'll find this is the direction large SUV's are heading and over time people's mind sets should change.
I would prefer an oil powered option for sure but I can understand why they aren't making it. Australia is one of the biggest diesel SUV markets in the world, unfortunately we are not one of the biggest car sales markets in the world.
As a consolation though, put your right foot down hard and you are rewarded with neck snapping take off and a sweet note from the pipes!
Just my opinion.

[Squalo]

I figure Australia is such a small market they decided to pull diesels and just import the massive new rig they build for larger overseas markets......makes sense to me. They probably will lose some of the market share here, but not as much as they would have lost trying to produce a vehicle to satisfy such a small demographic.

Not really. Firstly, the GU CRD 3.0 continues alongside the Y62, for another couple of years if Nissan are to be believed. They dropped the 4.8 petrol GU a while ago.

Secondly, Nissan didn't just import the Y62 - it was actually a very costly exercise for Nissan Australia, as Nissan in Japan had no intention whatsoever of building a right-hand-drive version. In fact Nissan Australia picked up the bill for the work that was required. So you'd think they'd have done some serious homework on recouping that cost before going ahead.

And in that context, the petrol-only situation makes a little more sense - sure, 9 out of every 10 LC200s sold here are diesels, but Nissan Japan never expected to sell the Y62 here so a diesel was never part of the plan. The money is in the Middle East and the US, neither of which demand diesel 4wds like we do. And the Y62 is a runaway success in the Middle East so their business plan was sound.

If it is a reasonable sales success here, Nissan Australia may be able to convince their masters to open the purse strings for a diesel.

I'm just going to wait for a cosmetic write-off at the auctions, chop it into a dual-cab, and drop a TD42T into it 

[Bird]

Nissan has entered the "luxury" 4x4 market, to take on the likes of the Lexus, BMW, Audi, and so on.... 

and has totally forgotten the people who got the Patrol its great name since the G60 came out.

[boobook]

AND the 200 starts at..........................................oh look, $80K for the barn doored standard...........

Apples and oranges mate,
You bought what I would class as a mid sized 4WD. Completely outta the game with what I would class as a LARGE 4WD's.

As for the Y61 with the milk bottle engine (the only things that should come in 3lt is milk and orange juice)............

Don't forget the legendary Nissan dealer service support is worth at least minus $30,000 of value.

[chester ver2.0]

I am looking at the fuel issue atm with the 200 series. Yes the 200 diesel uses less but the new 4.6 litre V8 is only using marginally more fuel

The thing that then confuses you with the 200 is that there is a 10k price difference in favour of the petrol model and 10k buys a lot of fuel

[KingBilly]

Sitting waiting to get my hair cut the other day, I read a two year old four wheel drive magazine (can't remember which one) and they had done a cost comparison between a petrol and a diesel Jeep Wrangler.  The article concluded that it would take 400,000 kms to recoup the additional cost of purchasing the diesel over the petrol version.  The diesel was not only more expensive to buy initially, it was also more expensive to service, required more regular services and the cost of diesel fuel was more expensive.  The magazine concluded the only reason to buy a diesel was for its additional torque and 'driveability' (I think they mentioned water crossings but can't be sure).

KB