Just heard that Jimboomba campers have gone bust

[ozbogwam]

And what, the AFP are going to come and lock me up for what crime?

Do you REALLY think the cops are scanning myswag for potential aid and abet crimes against the traffic act?

"Hey Sarge, quick, call out SWAT, this is BIG!"

No but it can cause issues for people like Jules in the legal claim of their trailer. The administrators would do a scan of forums and social media etc to garner as much info as possible about the situation.

The administrators job is to get as much money etc to those on top of the list and as such could reclaim trailers etc to recoup this debt. Now add to this a deliberate and illegal attempt to hide the fact and I don't imagine they would just feel sorry about it and let it go.

[Nomad]

I highly doubt that.....they don't get paid for that type of thing and unless there is a massive amount of unaccounted for money there will not be a forensic accountant involved.

[ozbogwam]

They would search for mentions to see about the history leading up to the administration to see if there was talk of cash deals etc etc

All I'm saying is why take the chance of screwing things up for someone by posting suggestions of dodgy ways to keep a trailer and illegally register, send them a PM if you want but forums aren't private and anonymous

[Paul (SA)]

They would search for mentions to see about the history leading up to the administration to see if there was talk of cash deals etc etc

All I'm saying is why take the chance of screwing things up for someone by posting suggestions of dodgy ways to keep a trailer and illegally register, send them a PM if you want but forums aren't private and anonymous

Ok don't argue about it everyone. Let's open a book up and see if the Jimboomba trailer scandal rates a mention anywhere soon in police files.
I am taking bets, what are your odds? All proceeds to ranger jules.

[Teabag]

One thing I do find interesting is the website hasn't been pulled down. More can still get stung with the online store which is still active.......Crazy......:-(

[achjimmy]

I think now the administrators are in control the website (online shop) would be safe. Dealing with administrators is safe as they (should) grantee every transaction. I can't imagine them building trailers so you would get your money back if the transaction went through.

[dazzler]

posting suggestions of dodgy ways to keep a trailer and illegally register, send them a PM if you want but forums aren't private and anonymous

Nothing about keeping it.  If they are not lawfully entitled to it then it MUST go back otherwise its theft.  I am talking about USING the thing. If yo took it to mean stealing something then you misinterpreted what was said.

The bottom line is this.  These poor buggers are going to get NO help.  There is no cavalry over the hill.  No white knights.  The owners will not be organising working bees to get these things done.  Try rocking up to the RTS to try and register one of these that is lawfully owned yet unable to be proven.

Of course no one is going to take up our shonky suggestion.  Seriously.  I am sure they will wait for three or four years while the company is wound up.

[Bird]

I think now the administrators are in control the website

They need to update the testimonials.... 

[Ozzie Campers]

Ranger-Jules

Take it Rob at Jimboomba Trailers. He will be able to finish it and register it for you. Don't go down the shonky path.

Tim

[Squalo]

No but it can cause issues for people like Jules in the legal claim of their trailer. The administrators would do a scan of forums and social media etc to garner as much info as possible about the situation.

They are only concerned with what is in front of them when they assume control of the business, and if they go looking for stuff, it will be in the form of secret squirrel finances hidden away by the business owners. The only physical assets they will be interested in are along the lines of bricks and mortar, and saleable assets on the premises. If it's not on the premises, it won't rate a moments thought.

It's not a bad idea to take some care with what you post on a public forum, but I very much doubt that anyone is going to be too concerned about a trailer or two; going by how these people seemed to do business I reckon you could also bank on the chances of any paperwork for the 'missing' trailers being either non-existent or so minimal as to be meaningless - so there won't be a paper trail leading to them either.

[DaveCQ]

They need to update the testimonials.... 

Ha Ha. You don't miss an opportunity mate do you. Love it.

[Kit_e_kat9]

Any progress updates?

Kit_e

[bushbandit]

There was a reply on here earlier cant see it now think it might have been removed was in regards to the owner being spotted somewhere, not going into it as there must have been a reason it was removed

[luke07]

They have been found trading insolvent since April! Sue is the owner and terry as gets to walk away with nothing against his name! There are missing vehicles and trailers owned by the company! If I was them I would go into hiding! Bastards are nothing but thiefs!

[Barry G]

I 'm following the thread on fb.
Don't suppose you will be allowed to post their full names here, but would be good to have them on the facebook group, for future reference.

[Bird]

They have been found trading insolvent since April!

Gee I find that hard to believe



and all those orders they were taking at a camping show in Oct/Nov wasn't it?

[luke07]

There names are terry and sue Willis. That's common knowledge so I'm not saying anything inappropriate there.

There's one thing to go bust but to take people's money knowing you are is just plain old theft!

[Bird]

Consequences of insolvent trading
There are various penalties and consequences of insolvent trading, including civil penalties,compensation proceedings and criminal charges.

The Corporations Act provides some statutory defences for directors. However, directors may find it difficult to rely upon these if they have not taken steps to keep themselves informed about the company’s financial position

Civil penalties
Contravening the insolvent trading provisions of the Corporations Act can result in civil penalties against directors, including pecuniary penalties of up to $200,000.

Compensation proceedings
Compensation proceedings for amounts lost by creditors can be initiated by ASIC, a liquidator or a creditor against a director personally. A compensation order can be made in addition to civil penalties.

Compensation payments are potentially unlimited and could lead to the personal bankruptcy of directors. The personal bankruptcy of a director disqualifies that director from continuing as a director or managing a company.

Criminal charges
If dishonesty is found to be a factor in insolvent trading, a director may also be subject to criminal charges (which can lead to a fine of up to $220,000 or imprisonment for up to 5 years, or both). Being found guilty of the criminal offence of insolvent trading will also lead to a director’s disqualification.

ASIC has successfully prosecuted directors for allowing companies to incur debts when the company is insolvent, and has sought orders making directors personally liable for company debts. ASIC also runs a program to visit directors, where appropriate, to make them aware of their responsibilities to prevent insolvent trading.
The good news is that taking steps to ensure your company remains financially sound will minimise
the risk of an insolvent trading action. It may also improve your company’s performance.



http://www.asic.gov.au/asic/pdflib.nsf/LookupByFileName/Insolvency_guide_for_directors.pdf/$file/Insolvency_guide_for_directors.pdf

[t303]

Sorry Lost, but their propaganda is a great steaming pile of BS, complete with flies.  You will note that, like most weasel-speak, it is full of ASIC "may", "can" and "could".  Note the distinct lack of ASIC "shall" and "will".  In reality ASIC will do absolutely ZERO to pursue these directors.  The employer I was done over by owed (according to administrator) ATO, ESANDA and others, including employees, somewhere north of a couple of $million, AND was allegedly hiding assets. They had been trading insolvent for at least 18mths, because they were unable to pay in any superannuation during that time.  Even their accountant had cut them off, so I have no idea what ASIC accepted as the yearly (supposedly audited) company returns.  When I had the temerity to suggest that they perform their duty as advertised I got a nice letter from ASIC legal suggesting I might wish to fornicate elsewhere .  If the media is not interested in the case then neither is ASIC.  Like most of these organizations they are only interested in something that will make them and the govt look good;  justice and fairness for you and me is not part of their charter.

[Barry G]

Sorry Lost, but their propaganda is a great steaming pile of BS, complete with flies.  You will note that, like most weasel-speak, it is full of ASIC "may", "can" and "could".  Note the distinct lack of ASIC "shall" and "will".  In reality ASIC will do absolutely ZERO to pursue these directors.  The employer I was done over by owed (according to administrator) ATO, ESANDA and others, including employees, somewhere north of a couple of $million, AND was allegedly hiding assets. They had been trading insolvent for at least 18mths, because they were unable to pay in any superannuation during that time.  Even their accountant had cut them off, so I have no idea what ASIC accepted as the yearly (supposedly audited) company returns.  When I had the temerity to suggest that they perform their duty as advertised I got a nice letter from ASIC legal suggesting I might wish to fornicate elsewhere .  If the media is not interested in the case then neither is ASIC.  Like most of these organizations they are only interested in something that will make them and the govt look good;  justice and fairness for you and me is not part of their charter.

t303,
E Apparently Harry 'Breaker' Morant had a 'rule' that would seem appropriate to cuts that trade insolvent.
Iirc the name of the rule was identical to the numerical part of your 'handle'...  . 

[t303]

Apparently Harry 'Breaker' Morant had a 'rule' that would seem appropriate to cuts that trade insolvent.
Iirc the name of the rule was identical to the numerical part of your 'handle'.

Just a happy coincidence....
But being a law abiding citizen, I'm all for following some rules to the letter (or calibre)   

[Barry G]

Just a happy coincidence....
But being a law abiding citizen, I'm all for following some rules to the letter (or calibre)   

Yep, likewise... Lucky for some that the vast majority are.

[Bird]

Like most of these organizations they are only interested in something that will make them and the govt look good.

I reckon its worth a try.. Today Affairs love stories of poor robbed hard working families.. Insert "ROBBING HOUSE BUILDER" for "*@#&*$@#($*& CAMPER TRAILER NON DELIVERERS"

  justice and fairness for you and me is not part of their charter.

at last someone agrees with me

[dazzler]

  Like most of these organizations they are only interested in something that will make them and the govt look good;  justice and fairness for you and me is not part of their charter.

I think I mentioned this earlier but it is simple.  The govt has a certain amount of taxpayers money to spend on investigations.  They allocate according to the Fraud Control Guidelines (or its recent replacement).  Go and read it.

Its easy to slag them off from the cheap seats but I ask you this, how much would you like to increase you taxes by to employ investigators to investigate every single complaint to ASIC (or any of the other organisations).  Each extra investigator would be at least $100k per fte. 

[grafy82]

I think I mentioned this earlier but it is simple.  The govt has a certain amount of taxpayers money to spend on investigations.  They allocate according to the Fraud Control Guidelines (or its recent replacement).  Go and read it.

Its easy to slag them off from the cheap seats but I ask you this, how much would you like to increase you taxes by to employ investigators to investigate every single complaint to ASIC (or any of the other organisations).  Each extra investigator would be at least $100k per fte.

No offence to anyone but like most things involving the government they need to cut the dead wood and stop the waste instead of increasing taxes. Then they could help out the little guys more efficiently.