Just heard that Jimboomba campers have gone bust

[luke07]

No we were not one of the customers to get our trailer...unfortunately we got nothing!

[Nomad]

Put in a claim for the trailer Luke, you may as well have it recorded.
Formally the receivers aren't obliged to give it to you, but they are people as well, with a sh!t job. They may be able to, in an off market situation, be able to give you a more favourable situation, not ideal I know but better than nothing.

Remember the squeaky wheel...................

I hope you get something out of this I am happy to have discussions for you if you can provide me some contact details for the receiver.

Kind regards
Paul Butler.

[Bird]

No we were not one of the customers to get our trailer...unfortunately we got nothing!

You need to take a few days off and go find this mystery chick who has all the trailers. It might be your best hope.


This one

My husband spoke to some people today in the local business area, and they said a lot of people in Jimboomba right now are hurting, I know it is not just Jimboomba but far and wide. Some paid up just last week and will never see anything now.

 There is a lot of people in this community that supported them, but I am not sure now what they all think and how they will react. I mean it was dishonest to trade under those circumstances and they told a lot of lies to everyone.

We all believed them until it became the same thing week after week.
I intended to visit on Monday and demand the trailer as it was.
Seems like I missed the boat, but some smart lady acted and took it for us and kept it safe till we returned.
 I think others have collected their trailers if they were towable, but terribly unfinished.
What the did probably was illegal, taking assets from the company, but can they be assets if they belong to others who have already paid??
Just do not know the answers to this yet

[Bird]

http://www.exploroz.com/Forum/Topic/99067/Jimboomba_camper_trailer_gone_bust.aspx?ky=jimboomba&sn=&p=%2fForum%2fDefault.aspx%3fs%3d1%26ky%3djimboomba%26pn%3d1


You may want to attend this meeting... https://insolvencynotices.asic.gov.au/browsesearch-notices/notice-details/Its-All-Good-Offroad-Pty-Ltd-128300345/77bba20b-4c1b-479b-8a3b-922a0af1abc2

[firefox]

That's great link, and provides all the info.

Just remember you MUST be registered with Worrell's prior to attending. I.e you must give them evidence that you are a creditor, prior.. So make sure you give them your receipts etc and the fact what you paid, and what you were supposed to be receiving. Must be done prior to the 30th, so you've only got a week.

[cruisindub]

Yep. Take a few days to go in person.

If I was out 9 grand, I woullnt just be bleating about it on a forum, I would be beating it out of them directly.


No doubt a stressful and anxious time.

Keep us all updated and chin up.

[Nomad]

That's great link, and provides all the info.

Just remember you MUST be registered with Worrell's prior to attending. I.e you must give them evidence that you are a creditor, prior.. So make sure you give them your receipts etc and the fact what you paid, and what you were supposed to be receiving. Must be done prior to the 30th, so you've only got a week.

That's all good but you have to realise the receiver has NO obligation to pay ANY of the debts incurred by the company prior to receivership. Sh!tty  but simple fact of the situation. The bank is going to be the only one who see any cash out of this situation, unless the owners have a Shit load of equity in something they haven't mortgaged to the hilt already. So unlikely.

You are going to have to present a bleeding  heart situation or nail the trailer at auction to get a result.

[Bird]

Yep. Take a few days to go in person.

If I was out 9 grand, I wouldnt just be bleating about it on a forum, I would be beating it out of them directly.

Agree.
There'd easily be $9000 of furniture in that house that was posted up, its a stunning place.

[rodsswag]

I too have been asked about my camper at many campsites around the country Squalo, so much so that I used to carry a supply of brochures in the Pathy with us and actually got a couple of sales as well  . It is a shame to see such a great brand go down and disappear, I hope that someone can rescue it. I bought my first Jimboomba camper an Offroad Explorer in 2007 off the original owner of the business, then in 2009 we bought our second one a Offroad Explorer Staircase which we have today, they are and awesome bit of kit and up until now the backup service has been second to none. I am proud to own a Jimboomba camper and won't be removing stickers any time soon. Paul.

Well said Paul.
They have always been a great setup.

Rod......

[luke07]

Thanks everyone for your word of advice and feedback. We have been as loud as we can from up here and we will defeinetly be at the meeting next Friday! I don't know what there house or furniture looks like so I can't comment on what sort of money might be there but from what I have heard there isn't much money left in the business. . Have to wait and see I guess.

[Barry G]

There has been alot go on behind the scenes here and alot of customers have picked up trailers prior to completion.
A receiver that I have discussed this scenario with has stated that if the customer has paid and collected then the receiver / liquidator really has no grounds for the re collection of the trailer, just keep copies of your payments, but the customer also has no grounds for claiming warranty or unfinished work on the trailer.

Not a great outcome for most customers but better than not getting anything for the money outlaid.

I feel sorry for those customers.

I also apologise to Brett for placing not easily available, but none the less public information on this forum, and I will not do it again.

This is a sh!t situation, but better the sh!it stay as much as possible on the owners of the company rather than innocent customers.

Good luck to all who took possession of their property and I hope to see, in the near future when all this blows over some threads asking the trailer gurus on this site on the best way to complete the items they have collected, becuase most have serious work required to complete them.

If anyone wants to take me to task my details are:

Paul Butler
0418780333
paul.butler@raywhite.com

Regards
Nomad.

Paul, as far as I'm concerned there is nothing for you to apologise for, and I can't see how any fair minded person could say otherwise.

If information is publicly available I can't see how anyone could object to it being posted on here.
Hopefully you have posted it on the facebook page started by Luke.

Bottom line is these mongrels should be tracked down and held to account.  Not good enough that they get to hide behind the fiction of a 'company'.

If he is working as a crane driver he will have been making damn good money, so difficult to believe he couldn't balance the books with that sort of a second income. Must've been a hopeless business man.

[prodigyrf]

Bottom line is these mongrels should be tracked down and held to account.  Not good enough that they get to hide behind the fiction of a 'company'.

If he is working as a crane driver he will have been making damn good money, so difficult to believe he couldn't balance the books with that sort of a second income. Must've been a hopeless business man.

First up no directors get to hide behind a company wall and if the company trades insolvently or breaks one of the increasingly onerous Laws and Regulations foisted upon business nowadays the directors are personally liable. I'd certainly like to see Labor/Green politicians held to account for the way they run State and Federal Govt in that regard, but they get a free pass apparently.

A company structure, private or public is simply there to allow investors of capital to make a return without the day to day involvment with managing the business but naturally they need to be aware of the expertise, experience and track record they're lending their capital to. There is no return without risk and you pays yer capital and takes yer chances. Caveat emptor as they say.

That's the same with doing business as a consumer and any thought that the nanny state could pick up the tab for every drop of spilt milk would be an impossible cost burden on taxpayers and in any case create a greater moral hazard problem. Good business is already being driven to the wall with impossible administrative overburden, Govt imposed oncosts and red tape now and if you think one director earning a crane driver's income can overcome the demands of that and a lot of Fair Work hungry mouths to feed you're dreaming. Fair Work incomes in Oz just love to spend their incomes in an unfettered global marketplace and that trend can quickly overwhelm any SME nowadays, as the closures and layoffs attest.

[prodigyrf]

And while I'm on the soap box FWIW here's my golden rules for laying out yer hard-earned-

1. The higher the return the greater the risk
2. Don't put all yer eggs in one basket
3. If anyone tells you they've got a sure thing they're lying to you or else they'd be sunning themselves in the Maldives with their feet in a bucket of champers, not telling you and lowering their odds dummy.
4. Gummint regulators are really just professional mourners overstuffed with your taxes, to come mourn with you, the fool and your money soon parted, for ignoring points 1-3.

Anyway that's what I tell my kids to explain what caveat emptor and commercial life is all about.

[t303]

Unfortunately the responsible regulators and Govt departments will do absolutely nothing to prosecute the directors for trading insolvent unless there is some media mileage in it to make them look good (remember HIH and Onetel?).  I worked for a small airline based in Toowoomba Qld that went bust after the directors traded insolvent for 18mths.  They had not paid leases on the aircraft or superannuation for staff in that time.  The ATO were negligent: they were advised and failed to act as per their legislation, so I personally lost $8.5k (thank goodness for the GEERS scheme or it would have been $20k).  I am sure they were first in line for their cut though!   I wrote to ASIC requesting they act against the directors and, after refusing to be fobbed off,  ended up getting a letter from their lawyers telling me that I did not understand the situation and we suggest that you go away!  The administrator (and rest assured they are only there to clock up as many billable hours that can be had from picking over the carcass of the company, then moving onto the next cash cow) even found assets hidden by the directors.  According to ASIC this did not constitute any prosecutable offense!  Forget about any help from the authorities, they are only there to ensure that the money only goes to the vultures cleaning up the remains.  Sorry to be so negative, but that is how it all pans out in my experience.

[Bird]

Sorry to be so negative, but that is how it all pans out in my experience.

I dont think anyone in the real world expects anything different.

[dazzler]

Unfortunately the responsible regulators and Govt departments will do absolutely nothing to prosecute the directors for trading insolvent unless there is some media mileage in it to make them look good

Commonwealth agencies investigate matters based upon the Case Categorisation Prioritisation Model which takes into account factors such as the;

The type of crime and the impact on the Australian Society
The importance of the matter to the client and the agency
The resources required to undertake the investigation

The vast majority are not investigated or actioned in any way.  The argument being if you assign an investigator to a $2million dollar crime the outcomes, both media, deterrance and proceeds of crime action are greater.

Dont shoot the messenger here, its how it is.

[t303]

"The vast majority are not investigated or actioned in any way.  The argument being if you assign an investigator to a $2million dollar crime the outcomes, both media, deterrance and proceeds of crime action are greater. "

Exactly!  What it means is: do not expect help from the responsible authorities, or justice.  It is, however, a shame that the relevant departments are too lazy or incompetent to enforce their own legislation, but are always the first in line to take what's left.  Your taxes at work....

[dazzler]

"The vast majority are not investigated or actioned in any way.  The argument being if you assign an investigator to a $2million dollar crime the outcomes, both media, deterrance and proceeds of crime action are greater. "

Exactly! What it means is: do not expect help from the responsible authorities, or justice.  It is, however, a shame that the relevant departments are too lazy or incompetent to enforce their own legislation, but are always the first in line to take what's left.  Your taxes at work....

Settle petal and watch the language.

[t303]

Sorry Dazzler if it offends, but if you haven't been through the mill you will not understand the anger with both the perpetrators and the people that are there to "help (themselves)".  If you have been through it, then your medication is stronger than mine!

[McGirr]

May I offer a suggestion.

We have all given our opinions, thoughts and suggestions on this but I think its time to let the process happen being good , bad or ugly and let the people who are going through this unfortunate situation focus on the task ahead. They will keep us updated in due course.

Mark

[ranger-jules]

nothing left to be said I think. Just wait and see.

[ranger-jules]

There is no mystery chick that has any trailers. Do not know about any other trailers at all, if anyone else has got them or not. We only found out the other day. Ours was apparently pulled out while we were away, we were contacted but away. It was taken out while they were still open according to my sources. Long before the receivers and admin came in. At least a week before. We were unsure of dates until now. Still no consolation as we still do not know where we stand. We can only hope that we can get on with things and hopefully one day have something. At present it is not worth us doing anything as there is a lot of work to be done. Still it was received after the finish date. I just hope everyone can see our point of view on this. We got this in the first place so we could take our little grand daughter camping, she lives with us and we wanted to help our daughter who is not well a lot of the time. No sob story, just the truth. Now we have to wait and see what the outcome will be. Like Paul said, about the receiver, it was not taken while they were closed or in Admin, like previously thought! Anyway it is a shell of a trailer with thousands of dollars worth of work yet to be done. Time will tell. I just wish it was all sorted now, so I can get some sleep at night.

[ranger-jules]

You need to take a few days off and go find this mystery chick who has all the trailers. It might be your best hope.
No mystery chick at all, but someone with some humanity left to do a good deed, and help us.  She has not taken any other trailers at all. Just hers and ours. She shall remain nameless as we do not even know her name.
Like I said , ours was taken after the finish date(long after) and paid for by the way, and it also was taken before the admin or receivers moved in. we know this now.


This one

My husband spoke to some people today in the local business area, and they said a lot of people in Jimboomba right now are hurting, I know it is not just Jimboomba but far and wide. Some paid up just last week and will never see anything now.

 There is a lot of people in this community that supported them, but I am not sure now what they all think and how they will react. I mean it was dishonest to trade under those circumstances and they told a lot of lies to everyone.

We all believed them until it became the same thing week after week.
I intended to visit on Monday and demand the trailer as it was.
Seems like I missed the boat, but some smart lady acted and took it for us and kept it safe till we returned.
 I think others have collected their trailers if they were towable, but terribly unfinished.
What the did probably was illegal, taking assets from the company, but can they be assets if they belong to others who have already paid??
Just do not know the answers to this yet

[oldmate]

Hi Guys,

I really do feel for everyone involved here.. not good when this happens. hope it works out for you in the end

[dazzler]

Sorry Dazzler if it offends, but if you haven't been through the mill you will not understand the anger with both the perpetrators and the people that are there to "help (themselves)".  If you have been through it, then your medication is stronger than mine!

Nothing offends me however rants don't help anyone and the f word is not used on this forum, regardless of how cranky you are.  We have mini swaggers that read it.

Knowing how the system honestly works will actually let those in strife understand what to expect.  When I was investigating fraud I had to tell a lot of people that I did not have the time, budget or staff to investigate their complaint.  Do I allocate meagre resources to a $2m fraud or a $20k fraud?  Common sense would suggest the $2m would be more appropriate and I sure didn't do it for my own benefit.

Good luck to all those effected.  Take a deep breath, keep a sense of perspective and dont expect a real lot.

cheers