Bali Nine Rant

[tk421]

Funny how things change when there's papers to sell or votes to be won....

[oldmate]

Funny how things change when there's papers to sell or votes to be won....

Yeah I know, I already pointed it out here, http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=41877.msg719846#msg719846 , still can't get my head around the fact, that they only had black and white newspapers in 2006. 

[tk421]

LOL didn't see that. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery!

[discoteddy]

Conspiracy to import. Import a prohibited substance. Read my post and what they could have done better.

Good indictment/s indeed mate,  certainly not a walk up start from what I've seen and read about the information that was at hand. As we know the decisions made inrelation to these matters would not have been made lightly.  Any successful efforts at stopping the illegal importation of any illiegal drug should be applauded.

As to the perception that we lost valuable intell, this is harder to quantify.  Although it is my opinion that if either of the two were able and or willing  to provide any useful information then surely they would have done so in an effort to prove rehabilitation and gain some assistance in sentencing. The notion that they were attempting to protect family from illegal reprisals is pure Hollywood. They sealed their own fate the moment they chose to leave our country. Just my opinions though.


Cheers,


Disco Teddy.

[rotare]

Could have, should have, would have.....

A lot of this thread is full of irrelevant discussion. Whether the punishment fits the crime, the amount of drugs considered trivial or the fact that their initial capture just means another drug mule steps up to try their luck - all of it really is redundant .

They would have known what the penalty and consequences were for getting caught smuggling drugs in that country.  They took that gamble and lost.

And tell me who wouldn't miraculously turn a new leaf, have a new outlook on life, start believing in religion, pledge to spend the rest of your life helping sick people and the poor..... if it could possibly save your ass from facing a firing squad?

Any loss of life is sad, but really there is no-one else to blame for their demise but themselves - end of story.

[dazzler]

Good indictment/s indeed mate,  certainly not a walk up start from what I've seen and read about the information that was at hand. As we know the decisions made inrelation to these matters would not have been made lightly.  Any successful efforts at stopping the illegal importation of any illiegal drug should be applauded.

As to the perception that we lost valuable intell, this is harder to quantify.  Although it is my opinion that if either of the two were able and or willing  to provide any useful information then surely they would have done so in an effort to prove rehabilitation and gain some assistance in sentencing. The notion that they were attempting to protect family from illegal reprisals is pure Hollywood. They sealed their own fate the moment they chose to leave our country. Just my opinions though.


Cheers,


Disco Teddy.

I appreciate what you are saying. With regard to Intel I mean the more broader long term Intel that you get from the nexus of the various entities involved.

IMO, from a big picture long term syndicate focused investigation they through these lower level losers away.

The AFP acted like the local CIB rather than the national force they should be.

Cheers.

[Bill]

If you cared to read my post correctly it was a general view on death penalty cases not the most recent one specificly, same thing happens in the states.
But since you brought it up if the Indonesians could do anything without expecting backhanders for a desireable outcome they wouldn't of had so many apeals.

Certainly didnt mean to upset you.
Also didnt know there was more than one way to read a post.
Spent the first 36 years of my life living in the States so I do know about the death penalty.
Im not Indonesian and know very little about their government so I will take your word on it being corrupt.
But I still stand by statement that its the appeals process that drug it out for 10 years.
Now Im done with this subject.
Bill

[dales133]

Me too...it's far to subjective a subject and no goods going to come to anyone by pursuing it further

[Mik01]

Certainly didnt mean to upset you.
Also didnt know there was more than one way to read a post.
Spent the first 36 years of my life living in the States so I do know about the death penalty.
Im not Indonesian and know very little about their government so I will take your word on it being corrupt.
But I still stand by statement that its the appeals process that drug it out for 10 years.
Now Im done with this subject.
Bill

If you lived in the States then you would be well aware it's been proven that innocent people have been falsely executed. And that in spite of the death penalty people still commit the same crimes. And not all States support the death penalty - a country divided.

With respect to the other posters in this thread, Australia as a society does not believe in the death penalty. It's been abolished for 50 years, and successive governments have all agreed it's not the Australian belief system. I believe there is even a question mark as to the guilt of the last person we executed.

Feel free to argue your beliefs vociferously, as is your right, however the overwhelming majority of Australians do not agree with the principle.
We don't have the death penalty, and we enjoy some of the best living standards in the world, we can safely walk down the street in our first world country, and we are free to argue this type of thing on a free and fair platform.
We have no need for it, and if we can construct a society like ours without it, then surely other countries can. I appreciate the diverse views, and respectfully agree to disagree with some.

[kizza1]

while people in general may still commit the crimes. those executed dont.

[macca]

..... we can safely walk down the street in our first world country.........

There may be a few families of women in Melbourne who disagree with this statement

[Bill]

If you lived in the States then you would be well aware it's been proven that innocent people have been falsely executed. And that in spite of the death penalty people still commit the same crimes. And not all States support the death penalty - a country divided.

With respect to the other posters in this thread, Australia as a society does not believe in the death penalty. It's been abolished for 50 years, and successive governments have all agreed it's not the Australian belief system. I believe there is even a question mark as to the guilt of the last person we executed.

Feel free to argue your beliefs vociferously, as is your right, however the overwhelming majority of Australians do not agree with the principle.
We don't have the death penalty, and we enjoy some of the best living standards in the world, we can safely walk down the street in our first world country, and we are free to argue this type of thing on a free and fair platform.
We have no need for it, and if we can construct a society like ours without it, then surely other countries can. I appreciate the diverse views, and respectfully agree to disagree with some.

This has nothing to do with the ops topic so perhaps another thread should be started?
Bill

[MrHorsepower]

It's Indonesia. ..There's always corruption. Look...I'm not opposed to the death penalty in fact we should bring it back if used sparingly but statistics it's not a deterant as proven time and time again.
If you rape and murder someone and discard thier body like trash you should face the death penalty you should be executed but not because it's a deterant to others because it has been proven it dosn't work but because your a sack of Shit society shouldn't have to pay to encarserate.
Execute someone for a couple of kilos of drugs is just pointless and the whole thing was handled poorly from start to finish by all involved.thats why there was so much public reaction to it.

Hear Hear... SAY NO MORE !!!   My sentiments EXACTLY...

[Mik01]

This has nothing to do with the ops topic so perhaps another thread should be started?
Bill

Nothing?

[Bill]

Nothing?

Yes sir, nothing.
The topic of this thread is the Bali nine.
First part of your post is about the death penalty in the US.
Second part is the death penalty in Australia.
Third part is telling me to voice my opinion on (I assume)  the death penalty.
Then you go on about how great Australian society is, which I agree with.
So where is there anything about the original topic of the Bali Nin in your latest post?
But I will make one thing clear. I do not discuss my political or religous views on any social media.
That includes my views on the death penalty.
Happy to discuss it in person or around a campfire though.

Bill