Post by: Trailseekers on October 04, 2016, 10:28:19 PM
So, over the last few years I've been taking an interest in CT's looking at the merits of different types, brands and models.
The wife and I have decided to upgrade from tent to hard floor camper. After listening to me going on and on about CT's the wife finally relented this week and accepted that it might be time to look at investing in a CT. :cheers:
However, this arrangement does come with some caveats. The CT has to be brand new, be off-road capable, be priced under $25k, be forward folding and be relatively easy/quick to set up and pack away. We are also limited to a maximum tow weight of 2,200kg, weight is quite significant in our thinking.
I've spent some considerable time now researching the different makes/models of campers. i won't list all of them here because it will just take too long. What I have found however is that the majority of campers that tick many of the boxes for us tend to be from the imported range. The Australian manufactured range does seem to come at a considerable premium.
Based on opinions I read on forums such as this one, I am left slightly concerned by a stigma that seems to be attached to the imported range. Do I have grounds to be concerned? I am not sure. This depends on whose opinion you listen to I suppose. There are many owners of imported CT's who seem to be very happy and enjoying years of trouble free camping. Then there is the argument that these types of campers have unreliable welds/canvas and do not retain their original value in the second-hand market. I can understand to some extent the value depreciation given the stigma around them. However, does anyone have any anecdotal evidence of one of these trailers suffering structural failure?
I have plans to attend the 4WD show scheduled for later this month in Adelaide. In the meantime I have researched a number of trailers in the price range we are looking at. I've visited a few showrooms and kicked a few tyres and what I have found is a very noticeable difference in refinement when you go up slightly in price. We have a few ideas on a couple of models that have caught our interest but we are far from making a final decision on which one.
I could easily go on for much longer giving my opinions on this subject but I am, primarily from a selfish standpoint, on here to read and digest the opinions of others with more knowledge and experience on these things.
I'd be grateful to listen to opinions on Imported Campers and perhaps some recommendations on specific makes and models.
Thanks
Scotty
Post by: MarkVS on October 05, 2016, 01:47:35 AM
You have mentioned 'hard floor' and 'forward fold'. They are 2 different types.
I don't have one, but I know that Modcon Forward folds (they invented the concept) get quite a wrap and I have dealt with the owner before and they are good to deal with. They have models that will meet your criteria.
As for the imports, before all the 'discussion' happens, they have a place in the market place. If you know what you are doing, what your are looking for, are realistic in understanding as to how much and hard you are going to use them.
The Modcons have models made in Aus and models mad oversees..and the prices reflects that..but they also control the quality themselves.
I don't know where you are from but have a talk to member Evolution on this forum. He is based in Vic and owns Regional campers that sell Modcon campers or you can contact Modcon in Qld directly.
I suggest they are a good starting point and brand for you. There are others as well.
Mark VS
Post by: HEM19X on October 05, 2016, 02:57:46 AM
Certainly poor workmanship has been an issue with imported CT's but as you said, your price range excludes Aussie products such as Modcon. However they do market Ecomate CT's which may suit.
A search here for them would be a good way to get a feel for them.
All the best with the search
Hem
Post by: MarkVS on October 05, 2016, 03:18:16 AM
Certainly poor workmanship has been an issue with imported CT's but as you said, your price range excludes Aussie products such as Modcon. However they do market Ecomate CT's which may suit.
Hem,
I don't work for them, but Modcon have a new Quattro series 3 starting at $20k, and their FF1 model starts at $23k. The other models are in the $50-60k.
Post by: tracker on October 05, 2016, 04:10:36 AM
Cheers Tracker.
Post by: Fathom on October 05, 2016, 06:26:15 AM
We couldn't be happier with it for the money we paid.
All I would suggest is if possible buy local to you.
(No matter which way you go)
Great concept the forward Fold. Been around a long time.
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Post by: Bird on October 05, 2016, 06:28:39 AM
Post by: jackriley on October 05, 2016, 07:36:31 AM
Post by: gutters on October 05, 2016, 08:06:35 AM
Why *MUST* it be brand new?
x2
I know of a really good Aussie made Modcon up for sale that's in your budget... Sorry shameless plug, couldn't help myself... ;D ;D ;D ;D
Post by: wilson79 on October 05, 2016, 08:18:27 AM
I have an Ecomate forward fold and have done many trips trouble free including cape your and the old telegraph track.. All I did to my trailer to prepare for this trip was change the cheap shocks with better Monroe units and remove the steps so the didn't get hung up on any of the steep tracks..
I have a thread in my signature below of some of the things I have done to the trailer..
My Ecomate was one of the units that came out of the Modcon factory. and I can highly recommend them.
In saying that if I was in the market again I would be jumping on Gutters second hand unit as the original Modcons are built like tanks and for the price you are getting a great trailer that new would have been pushing the 40k mark. In fact I have even considered selling my trailer to purchase this unit..
Post by: HEM19X on October 05, 2016, 10:40:17 AM
Hem,
I don't work for them, but Modcon have a new Quattro series 3 starting at $20k, and their FF1 model starts at $23k. The other models are in the $50-60k.
Thanks Mark, didn't realise prices had dropped so much, obviously with new models etc....
Post by: corndog on October 05, 2016, 04:03:21 PM
Post by: Trailseekers on October 05, 2016, 06:36:37 PM
Scotty,
You have mentioned 'hard floor' and 'forward fold'. They are 2 different types.
Sorry, you're right I did. I meant to type forward fold.
I have glanced over the Modcon website before, and here in lies my main problem. A lot of the forward fold campers are much of a muchness in terms of specs but quality of finish is another thing. I'm finding from the few tyres I have kicked at the limited amount of showrooms here in Adelaide, I have noticed a difference in refinement with electrical wiring, gas piping, chassis welds, seals etc etc. Seeing them on a website does not give you a feel for the workmanship that's gone into it.
An interstate trip may be on the cards....
Post by: Trailseekers on October 05, 2016, 07:04:01 PM
Bird asked a valid question, why brand new? This is something else that we have pondered over. I know we can buy much better quality second hand. I have heard of top of the range KK's only a few years old going for 20k. But at the end of the day, we've made this a long term investment and intend to keep the trailer for several years. We are people who do like to buy new and take really good care of things and it's a bit reassuring to know what conditions the trailer has been subjected to during it's life. It's merely a personal preference.
It sounds like a contradiction in a way but we are also looking for something that is also robust and well equipped to get dragged down tracks or along beaches.
I'm loving the forum already, some great ideas on here which are helping to steer me down the right path I think. Thanks everyone.
Post by: RonnieQ on October 05, 2016, 08:15:48 PM
It was a no brainer for me when it came time to purchase a forward fold, Modcon was the only choice.
There is nothing on it I dislike they are basic but well thought out and very well engineered.
Probably not ideal for a family of more than three, except the Quattro which is perfect for four.
The Australian made Modcons have a great reputation, only time will tell with their imports, the main thing at stake is their reputation if the imports aren't up to scratch.
There are four Australian made Modcons on gumtree ranging from $19000.00 to $35000.00 all in Queensland also the Modcon factory is there.
If I was in your shoes I think I would be on Gumtree searching Modcon and planning a quick shopping trip to Queensland.
You might grab a second hand bargain or sell yourself a new Modcon imported or Australian made.
Best of luck.
Please feel free to contact me directly if you have any questions.
Ronnie Q
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Post by: tryagain on October 05, 2016, 09:45:31 PM
Post by: Trailseekers on October 05, 2016, 10:11:06 PM
Yes this is our first camper but by no means are we new to camping. I understand the logic in buying second hand and I haven't entirely ruled it out. As I've said previously, it's a conscious decision to go new, personal choice if you like. I'm also confident that we are not are not in this for the short term. We are avid campers but we are a bit tired of erecting tents, unloading the car etc. A CT seems the logical next step. If I come across a bargain in the used market we may get swayed, but thus far nothing has grabbed our attention.
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Post by: Merts on October 06, 2016, 06:57:42 AM
Scotty,
You have mentioned 'hard floor' and 'forward fold'. They are 2 different types.
I know I'm arguing semantics here, but I would have said that forward fold are a type of hardfloor camper, as are rear fold.
If it folds out and you finish up with a hard floor it's a hard floor camper. If you finish up with a tent floor on the ground, it's a soft floor.
Post by: Merts on October 06, 2016, 07:08:18 AM
Is this your first camper? if so seriously look at second hand. The main reason being the amount of people who buy new and then realise that one of them doesn't really like going camping or that the camper isn't really the type they want and then sell at a substantial loss seems to be quite high. Whereas people who buy second hand and find them self in the same situation can sell for similar prices, if you look and have time there seems to be plenty of "as new" campers that might satisfy the reasons you want new but also save you some dollars.
I second that^ (in fact it's nearly word for word what I was going to say).
New is always nice, but there does always seem to be plenty of used campers in the market which are only a year or two old and have had very little use.
My experience with campers to date includes buying a soft floor (Sturt) brand new about 12 years ago, which has been great. I've just bought a hybrid which is only 18 months old, and it is pretty much like new. In fact, in some ways it's better than new because the owner has worked with the manufacturer to make a few little improvements. I've saved myself a few dollars and I'm getting a 'good as new' camper.
Post by: Trailseekers on October 06, 2016, 07:20:52 PM
The Eagle Cherokee at just under $22k is featuring quite high on my list at the moment and I am particularly drawn to them because Eagle is based in in my local city of Adelaide, the after sales seems to be very good.
I read a lot of negative comments about imports, presumably from owners of more expensive Australian manufactured CT's ;D Until someone can give me a very good reason that makes practical and financial sense I have to admit that I am always leaning towards brand new import. People are simply asking too much for their 5 year old and IMO inferior (specs) trailers. That is my view from what I am seeing on the classifieds etc. Sure, there may be the odd give-away bargains to be had but very rarely do you get the particular model you have had an eye on.
I'm sure there are plenty of people who disagree with me but the truth is I just don't see enough advantages to plump for the used model, especially in the forward fold category. Hybrid and softfloor are a completely different subject and I do see some bargains at the high cost and low cost ends. We'd love a good quality off-road hard roof but the cost for a decent one would be too much of a stretch I feel.
So far these are the campers that are currently sitting highest on our shortlist;
Eagle Cherokee
Skampa Kamper Dingo
Modcon FF1
Admittedly the Skampa and Modcon have not been seen in person yet but look quite impressive value.
Ezytrail's latest Stirling GT FF seemed to be fairly good quality but is extremely heavy at 2250kg ATM. Too heavy.
The Patriot X2 is a bit pricier and not hard floor/forward fold but one we are quite impressed with (or atleast the marketing of it) but we'll reserve judgement until we see one in the flesh as it were. If the X1 were anything of a guide it's going to be a smash. We are concerned that the price tag of the X2 at $28k basic entry-level model brings us close to hybrid/pop-up CT territory there and may be a no-goer for that reason.
I could list a dozen other FF makes and models I've seen at shows or showrooms that I would deem to be of low quality, but some of these companies can get quite sensitive about negative comments...
So, a polite request. Don't just tell me that I should look at second-hand just because I have never owned a CT. Give me a valid reason or opinion why the imports are not up to scratch. Rant over LOL.. I do appreciate all the advice I'm getting and it's interesting to read other threads on this subject.
The Adelaide 4WD show is on later this month and we see if we can pick up a bargain there. Otherwise, we may take a trip interstate to weigh up the other competition.
Post by: tryagain on October 06, 2016, 09:24:37 PM
Sure, I can save at most a few thousand dollars on a forward fold that is pre-owned but when I'm spending over $20k I (personally) just don't see the value in that. If you offered me a 10 year old Kimberley Kamper (or alike) Hard Floor for $20k, or a quality top of the range brand new import for $22k, I'd take the import everyday of the week.
So, a polite request. Don't just tell me that I should look at second-hand just because I have never owned a CT. Give me a valid reason or opinion why the imports are not up to scratch.
Just to clarify I wasn't suggesting an 10yr older something your not looking at but a 1-2yr old something that you are and has only been used a few times.
Admittedly there aren't heaps of used forward folds hitting the market yet that I have seen and if you have been just looking around rAdelaide there probably won't be much on the used market at all.
All things considered go with what's best value for you but just make sure that when comparing new with used you include not just the base price but the base price + the cost of any extras/modifications that you will do that the used one already has.
There are plenty of examples of people on here spending a fair amount of $$$ after the initial purchase to get the "little things" right so that few thousand dollar saving might actually be a lot more.
At the end of the day people are suggesting don't rule out used because over time we have seen plenty of "Near new, only been used a few times" campers ending up selling for a lot less than the replacement cost so are giving their advice to both potentially stop becoming one (they also didn't forsee selling so soon) but also to be able to take advantage of cheaper prices.
Obviously if you can't find what you want in the used market for a good price then new is probably the better option and my advice for you if you go with this option is to go to one of the big shows (probably interstate) where it's easy to compare different models and also normally get a better price.
Happy Hunting.
Post by: BrindleHounds on October 06, 2016, 09:40:05 PM
After going to a show to get eyes on all those I had researched online, and more, I ordered a Skamper Kamper Dingo at the show.
Here is the reasoning for my going the Dingo:
http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=49224
But yes you are right. There are noticeable differences in quality at different price points of imported campers.
I think those firms, like Modcon and Skamper, who have Aussie built and imports in their line ups, keep a better eye on the quality of their imported product because if it's not up to scratch it impacts the reputation of the locally built product.
As far as the quality of the Skamper Dingo goes, there is a Skamper Owners Facebook page and folks are towing them to the cape and through the Vic high country with no issues.
I suggest if you can get to a show where they are all on display do it.
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Post by: marvellous_matt on October 06, 2016, 09:51:50 PM
Post by: cowwee on October 06, 2016, 10:20:14 PM
Look, I'm just going to come out and say it. I have searched on carvansales and gumtree and ebay and others, and I just can't see where the 'justified' bargains can be had for used. Sure, I can save at most a few thousand dollars on a forward fold that is pre-owned but when I'm spending over $20k I (personally) just don't see the value in that. If you offered me a 10 year old Kimberley Kamper (or alike) Hard Floor for $20k, or a quality top of the range brand new import for $22k, I'd take the import everyday of the week. Until someone can tell me what exactly IS wrong with the imports I'm always going to have this view. For example, I have visited Eagle Camper Trailers here in Adelaide and have been shown around the showroom and workshop where they fit-out these imports. The quality of the workmanship is impressive I must admit. I am not affiliated with them by the way. The owner of Eagle, I think his name was Brett or Brent, went to great lengths to reassure me on the China imported chassis. He tells me that his companies reputation rests on these trailers being reliable and up to the harsh Australian conditions. He backs that up with a 7 year warranty on his models and is willing to respond to any issues wherever you may be in Australia.Heyya mate,
The Eagle Cherokee at just under $22k is featuring quite high on my list at the moment and I am particularly drawn to them because Eagle is based in in my local city of Adelaide, the after sales seems to be very good.
I read a lot of negative comments about imports, presumably from owners of more expensive Australian manufactured CT's ;D Until someone can give me a very good reason that makes practical and financial sense I have to admit that I am always leaning towards brand new import. People are simply asking too much for their 5 year old and IMO inferior (specs) trailers. That is my view from what I am seeing on the classifieds etc. Sure, there may be the odd give-away bargains to be had but very rarely do you get the particular model you have had an eye on.
I'm sure there are plenty of people who disagree with me but the truth is I just don't see enough advantages to plump for the used model, especially in the forward fold category. Hybrid and softfloor are a completely different subject and I do see some bargains at the high cost and low cost ends. We'd love a good quality off-road hard roof but the cost for a decent one would be too much of a stretch I feel.
So far these are the campers that are currently sitting highest on our shortlist;
Eagle Cherokee
Skampa Kamper Dingo
Modcon FF1
Admittedly the Skampa and Modcon have not been seen in person yet but look quite impressive value.
Ezytrail's latest Stirling GT FF seemed to be fairly good quality but is extremely heavy at 2250kg ATM. Too heavy.
The Patriot X2 is a bit pricier and not hard floor/forward fold but one we are quite impressed with (or atleast the marketing of it) but we'll reserve judgement until we see one in the flesh as it were. If the X1 were anything of a guide it's going to be a smash. We are concerned that the price tag of the X2 at $28k basic entry-level model brings us close to hybrid/pop-up CT territory there and may be a no-goer for that reason.
I could list a dozen other FF makes and models I've seen at shows or showrooms that I would deem to be of low quality, but some of these companies can get quite sensitive about negative comments...
So, a polite request. Don't just tell me that I should look at second-hand just because I have never owned a CT. Give me a valid reason or opinion why the imports are not up to scratch. Rant over LOL.. I do appreciate all the advice I'm getting and it's interesting to read other threads on this subject.
The Adelaide 4WD show is on later this month and we see if we can pick up a bargain there. Otherwise, we may take a trip interstate to weigh up the other competition.
I own an Eagle Dakota hard floor camper. We have had it for 18months now.
Overall it has been good, but there have been a few issues.
The brakes have been my biggest....the Chinese quality was pretty poor...I had to replace the drums with some alco ones...heaps better.
There were a lot of sharp edges on the chrome bits, the water tap is not working properly, the water pumps are extremely noisy as well! No battery charger came with it...only Anderson plug so had to put a 240v charger in it.
The other thing is it is extremely heavy...over 1500kg empty...that puts it in the top trailer rego in NSW...so very expensive!
It has suited us well...but would go elsewhere in the future.
Thanks
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Post by: Lori on October 07, 2016, 09:35:11 AM
I own a lifestyle walkthru camper, this was lifestyles import camper and my parents own an mdc FF.
My parents have had a fair amount of issues with their camper, alot of it came down to a lack of (none existent) quality control and followed up by mdc's no cares given, slap in the face customer service.
My experience with lifestyle was different, they always followed up and tried to be helpful and unlike my parents camper didnt get given to me with 5 existing obvious faults.
However......... this one came as a surprise to me;
My brakes needed replacing, so off to the mechanic it went. Should have been easy, should have been able to pick it up the next day but it turns out that the axle and hub were a very uncommon size and parts didnt exist. The mechanic tracked it down as coming off a 4WD that was only manufactured and distributed in america and that to get the parts i would need to get the entire section shipped over and then strip it down for parts. It was going to cost $900 to get the parts and if we ever needed new brake drums again then we would be in the same situation. We ended up changing out the entire axle and putting on new hubs - it was cheaper and if we ever needed spare parts then they were a standard size now.
My parents had the exact same issue this year, only instead of full axle and leaf suspension they have independent. When they contacted MDC, they were told no we dont have spare parts and wont be getting any. They had to approach fair trading who then contacted mdc who finally agreed to source the spare part but it would take 8+ weeks to get it in the country. They had it at the mechanic who had an engineer look at it and took it to a specialist trailer place to have a look in the hopes of coming up with a solution (this was while mdc were being difficult to deal with) but in the end they all agreed that unless mdc can supply the spare part the only option would be that the entire suspension would need replacing which would come in the thousands.
What mdc actually said was that they buy parts by the container load and once used up then thats it. Which backs up what my mechanic told me a year previous which is alot of import campers buy parts by the container load eg) when a company is overstocked it will sell off parts in bulk cheap. so the import campers manufacturers buy them, use them and then move onto the next container with little or no thought or care as to whether the parts will be available here in Australia if something goes wrong.
Moral of the story - check the suspension of the camper your interested in buying is regular Aus size and that spare parts will be readily available if you need them.
Post by: Serenity Now on October 07, 2016, 09:46:25 AM
I don't know what the pricing is, however CUB has a new forward fold.http://www.cubcampers.com.au/cubcamper/frontier/frontier/ (http://www.cubcampers.com.au/cubcamper/frontier/frontier/)
Might be worth a look.
I know I'm going to check it out at the Sydney 4WD Show soon.
Post by: Trailseekers on October 07, 2016, 07:49:58 PM
I have just gone through exactly the same situation mate.
After going to a show to get eyes on all those I had researched online, and more, I ordered a Skamper Kamper Dingo at the show.
Here is the reasoning for my going the Dingo:
http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=49224 (http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=49224)
But yes you are right. There are noticeable differences in quality at different price points of imported campers.
I think those firms, like Modcon and Skamper, who have Aussie built and imports in their line ups, keep a better eye on the quality of their imported product because if it's not up to scratch it impacts the reputation of the locally built product.
As far as the quality of the Skamper Dingo goes, there is a Skamper Owners Facebook page and folks are towing them to the cape and through the Vic high country with no issues.
I suggest if you can get to a show where they are all on display do it.
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Hey, great post and really enjoyed the write up and pics of the Skamper Rig. You've equipped it exactly as I would like to. Great job. :cup:
Only shame is I detest Facebook! LOL
Thanks
Post by: Trailseekers on October 07, 2016, 08:04:14 PM
I don't know what the pricing is, however CUB has a new forward fold.
Had a look at the CUB Rear Fold, I think it was called the Brumby. Anyway, hey can't fault the trailer on practicalities, but I just can't put my finger on what I don't like about them. Pricey, they don't feel like good value to me. I know the CUB name is well respected amongst camper fraternities and the good rep will go on for many years. If I bought one I think I would feel relatively confident and secure it wasn't going to let me down, but the love stops there sorry.
The new Frontier is new on the website and the pictures look quite impressive. I fear it may be a bit pricey for us but one that I will certainly be having a good look over when I get to finally see it. Who knows, this could be the dark horse?
Post by: Trailseekers on October 07, 2016, 08:07:45 PM
Heyya mate,
I own an Eagle Dakota hard floor camper. We have had it for 18months now.
Overall it has been good, but there have been a few issues.
The brakes have been my biggest....the Chinese quality was pretty poor...I had to replace the drums with some alco ones...heaps better.
There were a lot of sharp edges on the chrome bits, the water tap is not working properly, the water pumps are extremely noisy as well! No battery charger came with it...only Anderson plug so had to put a 240v charger in it.
The other thing is it is extremely heavy...over 1500kg empty...that puts it in the top trailer rego in NSW...so very expensive!
It has suited us well...but would go elsewhere in the future.
Thanks
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Wow, that's made me think a bit. I'l certainly be looking a bit closer at the brakes next time. Did you contact Eagle about the issues? If so, how did that go?
Post by: Trailseekers on October 07, 2016, 08:21:32 PM
Generally speaking I don't think there is anything wrong with an import trailer - you just need to do your due diligence. But in saying that, sometimes things you dont even think about become an issue.
I own a lifestyle walkthru camper, this was lifestyles import camper and my parents own an mdc FF.
My parents have had a fair amount of issues with their camper, alot of it came down to a lack of (none existent) quality control and followed up by mdc's no cares given, slap in the face customer service.
My experience with lifestyle was different, they always followed up and tried to be helpful and unlike my parents camper didnt get given to me with 5 existing obvious faults.
However......... this one came as a surprise to me;
My brakes needed replacing, so off to the mechanic it went. Should have been easy, should have been able to pick it up the next day but it turns out that the axle and hub were a very uncommon size and parts didnt exist. The mechanic tracked it down as coming off a 4WD that was only manufactured and distributed in america and that to get the parts i would need to get the entire section shipped over and then strip it down for parts. It was going to cost $900 to get the parts and if we ever needed new brake drums again then we would be in the same situation. We ended up changing out the entire axle and putting on new hubs - it was cheaper and if we ever needed spare parts then they were a standard size now.
My parents had the exact same issue this year, only instead of full axle and leaf suspension they have independent. When they contacted MDC, they were told no we dont have spare parts and wont be getting any. They had to approach fair trading who then contacted mdc who finally agreed to source the spare part but it would take 8+ weeks to get it in the country. They had it at the mechanic who had an engineer look at it and took it to a specialist trailer place to have a look in the hopes of coming up with a solution (this was while mdc were being difficult to deal with) but in the end they all agreed that unless mdc can supply the spare part the only option would be that the entire suspension would need replacing which would come in the thousands.
What mdc actually said was that they buy parts by the container load and once used up then thats it. Which backs up what my mechanic told me a year previous which is alot of import campers buy parts by the container load eg) when a company is overstocked it will sell off parts in bulk cheap. so the import campers manufacturers buy them, use them and then move onto the next container with little or no thought or care as to whether the parts will be available here in Australia if something goes wrong.
Moral of the story - check the suspension of the camper your interested in buying is regular Aus size and that spare parts will be readily available if you need them.
Hey, thanks for taking the time to type this. Great post. Very interesting read and points you make have been stored in the memory banks. The MDC campers look great on the website and some of the inclusions are impressive. I did contact a showroom interstate to get more info and found the response I got was a bit condescending to be honest. I can deal with that but just felt that the trailer was a bit cheap and cheerful. I can see the appeal of them and I have to admit that their prices are very competitive.
Post by: Trailseekers on October 07, 2016, 08:36:13 PM
Post by: cowwee on October 07, 2016, 08:40:17 PM
Wow, that's made me think a bit. I'l certainly be looking a bit closer at the brakes next time. Did you contact Eagle about the issues? If so, how did that go?Yeah mate....got fobbed off!
I didn't help the situation for driving it a bit with the handbrake on a small amount....but they weren't very helpful!
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Post by: Bird on October 07, 2016, 08:41:24 PM
Numerous people get arseholed if they have to travel for warranty issues.
Post by: Trailseekers on October 07, 2016, 08:49:15 PM
Yeah mate....got fobbed off!
I didn't help the situation for driving it a bit with the handbrake on a small amount....but they weren't very helpful!
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Hey good to know. Eagle are going to be at the 4WD show later this month. I will be prodding them on these raised issues and the issue of availability of spare parts.
Post by: Trailseekers on October 07, 2016, 08:52:45 PM
I highly recommend buying something that is local...
Numerous people get arseholed if they have to travel for warranty issues.
I agree. However, I am only going to part with my cold hard for the right CT. Warranty will be a significant issue for us if we do buy from QLD or VIC.
Post by: grafy82 on October 07, 2016, 09:49:56 PM
Good luck with your search.
Post by: wilson79 on October 07, 2016, 10:36:24 PM
Post by: BrindleHounds on October 07, 2016, 10:36:49 PM
Mate, not to be rude, but you're getting pretty narky over people trying to advise you to look at buying a good quality near new Aussie made camper. You're asking for people to give you real examples of issues they have had. If you do a bit of research you will see heaps of examples on this site alone, let alone the rest of the web, on the issues that a lot of these imported campers have suffered. Everything from as small as poor wiring practices through to spring hangers tearing out of thin walled crap steel chassis's. I'm not saying they are all like this, but there are a lot that are. My mate bought an imported forward fold hard floor for $11000 new. It has some of the worst welding I have seen, the independent suspension arms are made from 2.5mm steel (very thin), the drawer bar is only bolted on, canvas zippers were sewn on the wrong way around for the annex, water pump in kitchen died the first use, and he's only taken it out once so who knows what else will show up. But hey, it's brand new, that's the main thing right? It's like trying to say that a brand new Lada Niva is better than a perfect condition second hand 200 series cruiser.
Good luck with your search.
$11k for a new FF. Holly s@*t that's cheap!!
No wonder it had issues.
As has been mentioned, there are massive quality differences at the various price points for international product and $11k is Russian hooker, or Lada, rock bottom.
Not talking that price point here though.
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Post by: BrindleHounds on October 07, 2016, 10:38:54 PM
Hey, great post and really enjoyed the write up and pics of the Skamper Rig. You've equipped it exactly as I would like to. Great job. :cup:
Only shame is I detest Facebook! LOL
Thanks
Understand the FB comment. Can be the scourge of civilisation!
Main point is they back their product and brand reputation.
But again, if you can get to a show where all your top options are. Do it.
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Post by: Trailseekers on October 07, 2016, 11:21:34 PM
Mate, not to be rude, but you're getting pretty narky over people trying to advise you to look at buying a good quality near new Aussie made camper. You're asking for people to give you real examples of issues they have had. If you do a bit of research you will see heaps of examples on this site alone, let alone the rest of the web, on the issues that a lot of these imported campers have suffered. Everything from as small as poor wiring practices through to spring hangers tearing out of thin walled crap steel chassis's. I'm not saying they are all like this, but there are a lot that are. My mate bought an imported forward fold hard floor for $11000 new. It has some of the worst welding I have seen, the independent suspension arms are made from 2.5mm steel (very thin), the drawer bar is only bolted on, canvas zippers were sewn on the wrong way around for the annex, water pump in kitchen died the first use, and he's only taken it out once so who knows what else will show up. But hey, it's brand new, that's the main thing right? It's like trying to say that a brand new Lada Niva is better than a perfect condition second hand 200 series cruiser.
Good luck with your search.
Hey there, I didn't think I was narky. But perhaps you may have a point, you seem to be very familiar with the concept.
Some great advice on this thread alone from users, including yourself. I have seen a lot of comment about imports a lot of negative and a lot of positive too all over the web. What I am trying to glean is; Who are the companies to avoid? What are the common issues that might get missed in the showroom that can come back and bite me later. What are the warranties like from these companies,?..You know the common questions you think about when buying a CT. I was particularly interested in the experience of your friend who bought the $11k import. You didn't mention where he bought it from or gave a make and model, which would have been helpful.
You make a good point about the bolted drawbar/chassis. This can be an area of weakness on chassis and one probably I agree is best to try to avoid. 2.5mm steel is VERY thin and the alarm bells should have rung on that alone. I'm finding that most imported steel chassis from supposed reputable Australian CT suppliers/manufacturers is between 4 and 5mm. I think if your friend had taken the time to discuss and research these issues, as you advocate, then he may have avoided that lemon.
I make no apologies for asking people who are negative about imports to simply state their experience with them. Otherwise it just becomes something akin to the very old Holden/Ford debate. I have also clearly stated in my posts that I am not final on new or used. I may be swayed by a good used but as I've said, I'm just not seeing that bargain IMO. It's a personal preference to buy new. I'm not supporting some ideology here I'm buying a CT. If the right used at the right price came up I may go for it. At the moment and after giving this much thought, I am leaning towards three makes which I have stated in previous posts.
Don't forget either, if it is about supporting local companies, that these Australian "imported" CT Dealers are employing dozens of Australian workers. I've walked through the workshops and seen the work that these guys are doing. From the fitters in the warehouse to the local auto electricians and certified gas fitters who get contracted to do some of the installation work. Wow, did I just go all political then!! ???
All this work can be inspected prior to purchase so you can avoid the shoddy workmanship that your friend experienced. I've seen significant difference in refinement for the final fits across the different dealers/manufacturers/suppliers.
I am thankful for you taking the time to respond. There has been some really interesting advice given and I am enjoying reading the different views.
Post by: Trailseekers on October 07, 2016, 11:27:09 PM
Went to the Modcon factory and all I can say is WOW these new trailers are bloody awesome!!!
Noted. I need to get myself to QLD. :D
Post by: grafy82 on October 08, 2016, 02:19:21 AM
Hey there, I didn't think I was narky. But perhaps you may have a point, you seem to be very familiar with the concept.Hey, you yourself said 'rant over' at the end of your piece. And thanks for the snide retaliation, you're proving me right.
Post by: Lori on October 08, 2016, 10:08:15 AM
Hey, thanks for taking the time to type this. Great post. Very interesting read and points you make have been stored in the memory banks. The MDC campers look great on the website and some of the inclusions are impressive. I did contact a showroom interstate to get more info and found the response I got was a bit condescending to be honest. I can deal with that but just felt that the trailer was a bit cheap and cheerful. I can see the appeal of them and I have to admit that their prices are very competitive.
Through watching my parents try to deal with mdc on multiple occasions regarding issues with the trailer, I can assure you that its painful..... very painful. Communication is terrible, but they are very good at playing the blame game - so score one for them!
Its highly unlikely that I ever would have bought an mdc product myself, but after seeing the faults with the camper on pickup watching how they handle after sales service and how painful it can be to even get them to respond to issues I am now certain that there is no circumstance in which I could ever be persuaded to buy an mdc product.
After my parents first experience with mdc, they didnt bother contacting mdc about the smaller warranty issues, they just fixed the problems themselves - it was just easier and less time consuming. They only contacted them when they absolutely had too.
I have whole sagas on how unorganised and awfully unhelpful they were in dealing with my parents camper issues. It was so bad at times I thought they were perhaps writing a thesis with real life examples on just how bad customer service can get.
Post by: Trailseekers on October 08, 2016, 11:19:22 AM
Through watching my parents try to deal with mdc on multiple occasions regarding issues with the trailer, I can assure you that its painful..... very painful. Communication is terrible, but they are very good at playing the blame game - so score one for them!
Its highly unlikely that I ever would have bought an mdc product myself, but after seeing the faults with the camper on pickup watching how they handle after sales service and how painful it can be to even get them to respond to issues I am now certain that there is no circumstance in which I could ever be persuaded to buy an mdc product.
After my parents first experience with mdc, they didnt bother contacting mdc about the smaller warranty issues, they just fixed the problems themselves - it was just easier and less time consuming. They only contacted them when they absolutely had too.
I have whole sagas on how unorganised and awfully unhelpful they were in dealing with my parents camper issues. It was so bad at times I thought they were perhaps writing a thesis with real life examples on just how bad customer service can get.
Great post. I have heard several similar stories. I got that feeling too when I made enquiries with their customer service. No smoke without fire I say. Shame too because their packages are pretty generous. Too many negatives for me to consider an MDC.
Thanks for your input.
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Post by: DrewXT on October 08, 2016, 05:02:17 PM
Might be worth a look...
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Post by: Trailseekers on October 08, 2016, 07:11:15 PM
A mate bought one of the campers currently on Grays Online for $13700, and said it's Perry similar to the Broadwater Hamilton, and for the money is happy to replace bearings, shocks, etc...
Might be worth a look...
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I was told a rumour that the trailers advertised on Grays Online and eBay are often listed by dealers who feel that the quality of the chassis is not to their standards and would represent a risk to the company. It's cheaper to de-badge and sell at a knockdown than ship back to China. Don't know how true that is but buyer beware would surely be the way to go with them.
If you know what your doing and have the skills to modify then it is probably worthy of a try.
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Post by: Trailseekers on October 08, 2016, 07:29:30 PM
Post by: jmsaintpierre on October 10, 2016, 10:50:43 PM
Sorry to hijack this thread, but this thread made me think and look around and realise there s not many forward fold vs rear and drop tents.
More interestingly, not many oz ones, but mostly import.
Any reason why?
I do like the idea of them, but they are a bit heavy for us..
Post by: Cruiser 105Tvan on October 11, 2016, 09:04:21 AM
If anyone spots a great used forward fold for under $23k please let me know.
Is this where we all put in how we spotted and purchased one ourselves?
And then let ya know. ;D ;D ;D
Post by: Trailseekers on October 11, 2016, 10:53:23 AM
Hi guys,
Sorry to hijack this thread, but this thread made me think and look around and realise there s not many forward fold vs rear and drop tents.
More interestingly, not many oz ones, but mostly import.
Any reason why?
I do like the idea of them, but they are a bit heavy for us..
The imports are all very similar and much cheaper. If you go Aussie you're going premium in most cases IMHO. And you're correct they are much heavier than soft floor. I'm finding Aggregate Tare is between 1500kg and 2300kg depending on model.
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Post by: Trailseekers on October 11, 2016, 10:55:59 AM
Is this where we all put in how we spotted and purchased one ourselves?
And then let ya know. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: Trailseekers on October 12, 2016, 07:19:42 AM
Interesting article
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Post by: Bird on October 13, 2016, 09:29:48 AM
http://patcallinanmediapty.patcallinanmedia.com.au/index.php?action=social&chash=3b8a614226a953a8cd9526fca6fe9ba5.270 (http://patcallinanmediapty.patcallinanmedia.com.au/index.php?action=social&chash=3b8a614226a953a8cd9526fca6fe9ba5.270)paid for by.....
Interesting article
Post by: Trailseekers on October 13, 2016, 09:41:49 AM
paid for by.....
I don't know, maybe someone else can enlighten us? The article seemed to me to be an incontrovertible piece on 'what to do' when buying a used camper trailer. I struggle to see any commercial benefit, or have I missed the subtle propaganda?
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Post by: tryagain on October 13, 2016, 08:23:00 PM
I don't know, maybe someone else can enlighten us? The article seemed to me to be an incontrovertible piece on 'what to do' when buying a used camper trailer. I struggle to see any commercial benefit, or have I missed the subtle propaganda?
The equivalent of 5 full page ad's, and I wouldn't be surprised if they got the brands in the pictures to chip in as well.
Post by: Trailseekers on October 13, 2016, 10:20:01 PM
The equivalent of 5 full page ad's, and I wouldn't be surprised if they got the brands in the pictures to chip in as well.
I think we are all aware that some magazines blatantly run some articles like infomercials. Some articles can be biased which I believe was what Bird was implying. In this case it had interesting points, but not exactly deeply insightful information.
To be fair, I have read it twice and I can't see an obvious promotion of brand or product within the article in this case.
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Post by: paulienic86 on January 10, 2017, 04:02:43 PM
I'm in a similar situation at the moment and trying to find a FF CT to travel around Australia in.
Post by: Trailseekers on January 10, 2017, 04:48:37 PM
in so apologies for inebriated non-sensical stuff.We bought a Skamper Kamper Dingo last month on a show deal.
I suppose we are satisfied with our purchase, not blown away. Though Yorke Peninsula is doing its best. (Camper is rocking in blustery weather).
Look if your in the market for a cheap forward fold I think you'd be hard pressed to do better than the Dingo.
If I knew how to post pics I'd post some! Beer
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Post by: Mudguts on January 10, 2017, 04:55:10 PM
Yes bought one and just in the middle of our 1st trip to Yorke Peninsula to iron out all the little teething problems. I'm 5xI will 2nd this notion - bought a 2nd hand Dingo for a great price.
We bought a Skamper Kamper Dingo last month on a show deal.
I suppose we are satisfied with our purchase, not blown away. Though Yorke Peninsula is doing its best. (Camper is rocking in blustery weather).
Look if your in the market for a cheap forward fold I think you'd be hard pressed to do better than the Dingo.
If I knew how to post pics I'd post some! Beer
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As a first camper trailer I am very satisfied for the money. I do see things that need improving but unfortunately it all costs $$.
Regards,
Dicko.
Post by: paulienic86 on January 12, 2017, 03:37:50 PM
! Yes bought one and just in the middle of our 1st trip to Yorke Peninsula to iron out all the little teething problems. I'm 5x
We bought a Skamper Kamper Dingo last month on a show deal.
I suppose we are satisfied with our purchase, not blown away. Though Yorke Peninsula is doing its best. (Camper is rocking in blustery weather).
Look if your in the market for a cheap forward fold I think you'd be hard pressed to do better than the Dingo.
If I knew how to post pics I'd post some! Beer
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