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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: JohnT on May 21, 2015, 07:37:55 AM
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I woke up this morning to hear on Sunrise that the worlds largest recall of vehicles is underway with some 556,000 Australian vehicles affected.
It appears as though the Airbad Manufacturer has built something that it unsafe. To see if your vehicle is effected head on over to:
www.recalls.gov.au (http://www.recalls.gov.au) (very slow at the moment)
more on the recall story here:
https://au.tv.yahoo.com/sunrise/a/28168384/cars-recalled-over-deadly-airbag-fault/ (https://au.tv.yahoo.com/sunrise/a/28168384/cars-recalled-over-deadly-airbag-fault/)
John
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This is going to cost someone big time. I heard 6 people have so far been killed so by airbag shrapnel.
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Takata airbags recall
Chrysler 300C sedan 2006 to 2007
Honda Jazz 2004 to 2009
Honda Accord Euro 2004 to 2007
Honda CR-V 2002 to 2008
Honda Civic 2004 to 2005
Nissan N16 Pulsar
Nissan D22 Navara
Nissan Y61 Patrol
Nissan T30 X-TRAIL
Nissan A33 Maxima
Toyota Echo 2003 to 2005
Toyota RAV4 2003 to 2005
Toyota Corolla 2003 to 2007
Toyota Yaris 2005 to 2007
Toyota Avensis 2003 to 2007
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I spoke to our local nissan dealer this morning.They havent been officially notified as yet.
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Heard somewhere that it may be next year before this can all be addressed ??
Can you imagine plucking that many new airbags out of thin air ??
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Heard somewhere that it may be next year before this can all be addressed ??
Can you imagine plucking that many new airbags out of thin air ??
I heard the same although I thought they specifically mentioned Australia. If this is the case they are looking after the US and others possibly first
Rod
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I heard the same although I thought they specifically mentioned Australia. If this is the case they are looking after the US and others possibly first
Rod
I don't think it matters where they start ... they still need over 600,000 units... lol
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Sooo its taken them the best part of 13 yrs to annouce there is a problem, would think there would be a criminal charge or two of some type involved here too ..
Dont reckon we will see to many CEO'S / managers [ who would have known and buried knowledge of it ] and the like dragged away in chains though .
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I saw on the US today show it was 7 million vehicles or something crazy like that worldwide
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Dont reckon we will see to many CEO'S / managers [ who would have known and buried knowledge of it ] and the like dragged away in chains though .
Japans a funny country like that, we'll see what happens ?
They may have to keep the windows locked at HQ....there might be a few taking up flying !! :D
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I predict an over-run of Popcorn videos with all these spare Airbags floating around!
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Apparently it's over 50 million vehicles world wide now that are affected. But, only a tiny amount are or will be faulty so I'm told.
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Apparently it's over 50 million vehicles world wide now that are affected. But, only a tiny amount are or will be faulty so I'm told.
Maybe that was American figures I heard, it's incomprehensible anyway
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My Wife's car is on the list, but chances are it's going to be sold before they get around to replacing the faulty part.
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Just checked the list ,My 2010 D22 is safe
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Hah,
Not a Jeep on the list..... ya nancy boys.
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Hah,
Not a Jeep on the list..... ya nancy boys.
They have their own "special" list
Did anyone notice the date it was published? for the nissan stuff, june last year, almost a year ago already. The BMW, 10th may....... 2013
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Think they gave trying to fit Airbags on them in the sixties .. ;D
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Damn, my Nissan Maxima is on the list. Is this problem only occurring when airbag is activated during a crash or can it activate accidently at any stage?? Do they have figures for airbags that have activated safely without this problem occurring ??
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Well doesn't this take the focus off butane stoves. Don't want to see any innocent lives being taken by this, but wtf. If you own one of the affected vehicles, don't crash please!
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Well doesn't this take the focus off butane stoves. Don't want to see any innocent lives being taken by this, but wtf. If you own one of the affected vehicles, don't crash please!
You've nailed it Grasshopper.... :D
The butane stove people, have started a media circus on airbags to take the focus off their alien stoves.
Alien stoves, I hear you ask......
Well, get a butane stove hot, turn it upside down and chuck the f**ker on the ground..... instant friggin crop circle.
So, if ya got an infected airbag, chuck a hunk of plywood down ya shorts now....
Anal probes are gunna be happening all over the place.
Its a friggin conspicuity...nah, that's not it, conspiracy..... yeah, that's the one.
Gotta go now..... the wife cooked up some mushrooms for dnner and they was magic. ;D
Fark, my head hurts.
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You've nailed it Grasshopper.... :D
The butane stove people, have started a media circus on airbags to take the focus off their alien stoves.
Alien stoves, I hear you ask......
Well, get a butane stove hot, turn it upside down and chuck the f**ker on the ground..... instant friggin crop circle.
So, if ya got an infected airbag, chuck a hunk of plywood down ya shorts now....
Anal probes are gunna be happening all over the place.
Its a friggin conspicuity...nah, that's not it, conspiracy..... yeah, that's the one.
Gotta go now..... the wife cooked up some mushrooms for dnner and they was magic. ;D
Fark, my head hurts.
you got it jeepers. Speaking of crop circles, butane cookers and anal probes, never sit your naked arse onto a hot butane cooker!
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Yeah, not to mention the continuing anal leakage from having a fried onion ring.
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Shrapnel from the inflator cracking up has been the cause.....and it has taken a few years for it to exposed as age degreation sets in, makes you wonder if the replacements can be trusted down the track! Could see a cottage industry of disconnecting airbags and fitting a resistor in place to avoid check lights!
Cheers
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http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/takata-recall-is-your-car-safe-20150521-gh6dkj.html (http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/takata-recall-is-your-car-safe-20150521-gh6dkj.html)
and the associated link
http://www.accc.gov.au/update/takata-airbag-recalls-affecting-australian-consumers (http://www.accc.gov.au/update/takata-airbag-recalls-affecting-australian-consumers)
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Can they use CRV bags? Maybe that will work?
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:D
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No 80 series on that list I'm safe O0
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No 80 series on that list I'm safe O0
I found the airbags from your 80. PM sent
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No 80 series on that list I'm safe O0
They still knew how to make stuff that rusted away before it broke then
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I found the airbags from your 80. PM sent
Yup that's them :cup:
They still knew how to make stuff that rusted away before it broke then
Too right :cheers:
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Love my 80, don't think there's anything I'd replace it with
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Was interested in the 2007 Nissan T-30 X-Trail I picked up for the lad's fiance last Xmas but if you click on the Nissan link on that Govt recall site you'll see it refers specifically to Nissans built between April 2001 and June 2003 at this stage -
http://www.accc.gov.au/consumers/consumer-protection/buying-safe-products/takata-airbag-recalls/nissan-n16-pulsar-y61-patrol-d22-navara-a33-maxima-and-t30-x-trail-vehicles (http://www.accc.gov.au/consumers/consumer-protection/buying-safe-products/takata-airbag-recalls/nissan-n16-pulsar-y61-patrol-d22-navara-a33-maxima-and-t30-x-trail-vehicles)
so it appears hers is not affected
When you think about 50 million vehicles world wide, that could easily send manufacturer Takata broke and may raise the question as to how long car manufacturers like Nissan should be expected to back these items. 12 years is getting on particularly if most cars that age are now second or third hand like the one I bought. One to keep an eye on for developments.
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Bwahahaha! Speak of the devil >:D
'Automotive dealers have seized on the recall of over half of a million Australian cars with defective airbags to raise safety concerns about the Coalition’s proposal to allow Australians to import their own cars.
Japanese parts supplier Takata yesterday bowed to pressure from regulators and admitted for the first time there were defects in the company’s airbag inflators which can cause them to explode and send shrapnel flying into cars.
Airbag recall- what you should know
Six deaths and more than 100 injuries have been linked to the problem, sparking a global recall. The admission has led to the largest automotive recall in US history with almost 34 million vehicles potentially affected.
Cabinet has spooked automotive dealers by last month agreeing to consider allowing personal imports of overseas vehicles provided they met domestic safety standards.
Australian Automotive Dealers Association chief executive Patrick Tessier today said that, under the government’s proposal to allow personal imports, offshore dealers would be less likely to contact buyers in the event of a recall.
“A PIV (personally imported vehicle) purchased outside the authorised dealer network would not be covered by a manufacturer’s warranty and could not be traced in the event of a recall,” Mr Tessier said.
“Will the government take responsibility for and bear the costs of ensuring defects such as faulty airbags are remedied?”
Assistant Infrastructure Minister Jamie Briggs last month said the government also wanted to harmonise Australian standards with international guidelines “as quickly as possible”.
“We want Australians to have access to the best possible vehicle fleet, the safest vehicle fleet and the cheapest vehicle fleet they can get access to. We want a competitive market,” he told The Australian.'
Naturally my warm fuzzy business type peers are only thinking of your safety here folks or are you a wee bit more cynical than that-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZSSYqHYjxY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZSSYqHYjxY)
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Or it's an ill wind as they say and on that note all we need now is for the Regulator of all things that go bump in the night to come out and announce most seriously and sombrely that clearly the community needs 10 year use-by dates on safety airbags, just like LPG bottles and smoke detectors, so we can all sleep safely in our beds.
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Or clearly the community needs 10 year use-by dates on safety airbags, just like LPG bottles and smoke detectors, so we can all sleep safely in our beds.
I believe you're on the money here. Same as inflatable life jackets have to be serviced and the gas bottle changed over at use by date.
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I think the issue isn't so much like a warranty period it's more that the car manufacturers were supplied with faulty or defective parts from the word go.
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For point of discussion, while they could crash test for correct airbag activation during manufacture, it could be a bit hard to test for plastic componentry and switching that houses the airbag and gas cannister that breaks down over a 10+ year period.
Not disputing the seriousness of the situation, but we already have many other situations of component failure over time, electrics, mechanics and components that could put a driver in a fatal situation by failing while driving, that's why there's a maintenance schedule, but because this is a designated safety item, not sure why anyone could expect it to be fully operational after 10years sitting behind a plastic steering wheel etc.
Fire extinguisher and suspression systems need a regular check. Smoke detectors are only as good as the battery being changed regularly etc.
Just my 4c worth.......
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I thought an air bag had a 10
year life.......
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It's just the poxy litigious world we live in now.
Everyone covering thier arse so they don't get sued
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I tested my 2008 GU's airbag in 2013 - well, I tested both of them, the car wasn't smart enough to know that I was alone - and thankfully it didn't shoot me. I looked and felt like I'd been shot, though - the airbag opened my face up around my eyes and cheeks, and the bag itself actually scratched my eyeballs. They don't tell you about that...
Anyway, one less GU on the recall list. I guess I need to update my sig pic.
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Could see a cottage industry of disconnecting airbags and fitting a resistor in place to avoid check lights!
Cheers
That's nasty - lol But sadly true.
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I thought an air bag had a 10
year life.......
I don't know, my MIL is still going fine
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"That's nasty - lol But sadly true"
That's for sure.
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I don't know, my MIL is still going fine
yeah, but look out if her air bags go off!!!!
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Can't talk about other manufacturers but this is what I have done as a Nissan owner.
I read here that someone says they have been told that it could be next year before this is rectified.
Can you imagine the outcry if in Australia there is a death as a result of this known problem. It is reported that worldwide there have been five deaths linked to the faulty airbag.
I have just sent this email to my local Nissan dealer.
I sent this to let them know that I am aware of the problem and that if anything were to happen to a member of my family as a result of this problem it can be proved that I had made contact with Nissan and what response they have provided to protect my family from this problem after they became aware of it.
TO SAY WE WILL FIX IT NEXT YEAR WILL NOT BE GOOD ENOUGH PROTECTION FOR ME AND MY FAMILY
(Sent email)
"I have been reading articles about the worldwide vehicle recall and note that the Y61 Patrol is a vehicle involved in this recall.
I also read that the reason for the recall is that potentially there are faulty airbags fitted that have been linked to 5 DEATHS.
I am the owner of a 2005 (Y61) 4.2 turbo diesel Patrol. NSW REGO (------)
Can you please advise what the process will be to get my vehicle repaired under this recall."
Nissan have form regarding recalls - nobody contacted me regarding the recall over blistered dash. I found out on the grapevine and had to contact them.
I'll post the response if you are interested.
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shakey55 asks the $64squillion dollar question- "Can you imagine the outcry if in Australia there is a death as a result of this known problem?"
Now recall the size of the problem-
"It has become the biggest recall in the history of the automobile.
More than 50 million cars have now been officially recalled because of a potentially fatal flaw in airbags provided by Japanese supplier Takata.
More than 10 car manufacturers have been caught up in the recall which has been linked to at least six deaths and more than 100 injuries."
Well there's no doubt it doesn't get much worse than a safety device designed to prevent death and injury that does just that. However we're not talking a device per car but now we have cars coming out with 6+ airbags in them all over the place and the penny has dropped that they don't last forever. We learn by experience and the question is can questionable airbags be easily identified and repaired/replaced in a timely manner by car dealerships or do we have to have a blanket age condemnation and what age is it for us to be sure?
We haven't had airbags long enough to know but we're rapidly learning and we should have thought about a suitable time period for decommissioning such explosive devices anyway. We didn't and here we all are. That raises the question what approach should we take because we're all in this together and no good being indignant that the manufacturers of new technology couldn't know all the long term ramifications.
Now here's a prickly one. Suppose it's determined that to be safe from explosion 10 years is the limit, should our Regulations be changed to allow current owners to have them removed and drive without them should they choose ( I assume here there's no way Takata could be made to sort out the airbags in 50 mill vehicles without going to the wall) Such cars could be flagged as having had them removed should they come on the market and it's up to buyers to decide whether they're comfortable driving in them.
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"I am the owner of a 2005 (Y61) 4.2 turbo diesel Patrol. NSW REGO (------)"
You and millions of others. Did you buy it new or used? If you bought it new does the Dealer have any obligation to replace your airbags after 10 years? Australian Consumer Law didn't apply when your Nissan was new and since it has it only says the goods must perform for the purpose stated to the satisfaction of a 'reasonable person'. 10 years sounds find to me and if the Gummint introduce a Reg that all airbags are past their use-by date after 10 years in service then with a 2002 Commode ute I'll have to wear it too. The only difference between us may then be I'd prefer to be allowed to remove my 2 and carry on driving without them. What about you?
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Australian consumer law is very tough in his instance
Products have to last an expeced time and perform its duty
Airbags have to be replaced at sometime, id guess this is expected lofe. Thought it was 20 years
If your car has them fitted they must work properly, same as any other safety device like seatbelts and ABS, EBS etc
Does this mean, now we know about the issue a roadworthy could be declined if vehicle on the list? Not likely
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Interestingly, volvo state that the airbags are good for the service life of the car now. Originally it was 10 years, which got progresivly extended out with there own follow up crash testing and research. They are not on the airbag recall list either so obviously dont use takata sourced parts ;D
As for the replacement timeframes, well theres not much even the car manufacurers can do about that as I imagine takata is either going to be flat our to produce enough to supply the replacments, or go broke trying and then some other manufactures are going to have to take up the slack
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Australian consumer law is very tough in his instance
Products have to last an expeced time and perform its duty
Airbags have to be replaced at sometime, id guess this is expected lofe. Thought it was 20 years
If your car has them fitted they must work properly, same as any other safety device like seatbelts and ABS, EBS etc
Does this mean, now we know about the issue a roadworthy could be declined if vehicle on the list? Not likely
Got some bad news for you, bearing in mind with our piddling market we get whatever the EU/California/Japan decide they need and our Regulators wanting to feel useful rubber stamp it within a year or two-
http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2015/02/12/paris-to-ban-all-old-cars-from-city-limits-starting-next-year/ (http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2015/02/12/paris-to-ban-all-old-cars-from-city-limits-starting-next-year/)
So no cars over 10 yr old in Paris eh? Not even DPFs will cut it by 2020 as the EU ramps up Euro 4,5 and 6 emission Standards in the meantime.
Pay attention folks and stop thinking about new cars as anything more than 10 year or less crushables, particularly with all those use-by stamped airbags they'll soon be fitted with
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I see the queue is growing-
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/business/companies/airbag-recall-tally-climbs-past-660000-in-australia-as-more-suspect-cars-added/story-fnkjkh00-1227381876863?sv=82c5bb2651aeeeade8e8334c9f78c5da (http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/business/companies/airbag-recall-tally-climbs-past-660000-in-australia-as-more-suspect-cars-added/story-fnkjkh00-1227381876863?sv=82c5bb2651aeeeade8e8334c9f78c5da)
and in particular-
“Airbags are not a discretionary item of equipment and cannot be simply turned off and on again. The mechanism is technically sophisticated and forms an important part of the vehicle’s engineering.”
I discovered that with our Suzy SX4 when the airbag warning light came on due to the missus dumping a heavy box of books on the passenger seat and I googled for some enlightenment. The upshot was there's a micro sensor pad in the seat and it's linked to the exploding inertia reel seatbelt actuator and the airbags. With all the dash, side seat and head curtain airbags nowadays a minor/false bump setoff is extremely expensive and hence the added sophistication a lot like infra red plus movement with burglar alarm sensing. In the airbag case the occupant weight must leave the seat at the same time the seatbelt is jerked and at the right level the airbags deploy. All tied to the ECU and error light and codes if something goes awry. Well my net search showed some owners having to cough up $1500 to replace a seat sensor pad if that was the problem and- Yikes!
Off to the autoelec with it and he plugs in the tester and pronounces there's a number of error codes gone down here mate (sweat, sweat) but there's a low battery one too so howsabout we start with a new battery first and reflash it? Yep and that fixed it but I'd had a crash course in why it aint so easy to wave the magic wand over this enormous air bag problem. As they say-
"Legal experts say motorists have little choice but to endure the painstaking wait for the replacements, and they can’t sue the car companies unless someone dies or is seriously injured from the defective airbags."
In the meantime if you want to sell or trade-in one of the models, the Dealers won't want to take the risk with them in today''s litigation environment, so where will that leave the private market?
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Traded in our 2002 Maxima on Saturday, which is on the recall list.
Now to check if the 2008 Tarago is on the list... Nope, sweet...
Robbo...
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Got a letter from Nissan today saying Patrol is subject to the recall. They hope the parts will be here in March 2016 and Nissan will then arrange fitting free of charge.
:cheers:
Peter
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Received my letter yesterday. It is interesting when this was aired I contacted local NISSAN Dealer a couple of months later and the service manager assured me that my model was not involved and to forget about it.
Let's see what happens when I get the next letter and take it to the same dealer.
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Got my letter today aswell, parts won't be available until around April '16.
Hope they don't make as much mess of this as when they replaced my dash pad.....twice.
Cheers, Paul
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Got one for the Maxima also.
Foo
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Yeah the lad's fiancé got a letter from Nissan re the T30 X-Trail I bought for her privately last Xmas so obviously there's a tie-up with SA rego here as there's no other way Nissan would know she owns it as they haven't serviced it with a Nissan Dealer since purchase and the first owner didn't either after warranty service.
Edit- On second thoughts perhaps Nissan contacted the first owner and she passed on the new owner details to them? (her year wasn't initially on the list when I checked so they've definitely expanded the recall within models)