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Re: Worlds Largest Vehicle recall - 556,000 Airbag issues
« Reply #25 on: May 21, 2015, 07:59:22 PM »
Can they use CRV bags? Maybe that will work?
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« Reply #26 on: May 21, 2015, 08:07:04 PM »
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Re: Worlds Largest Vehicle recall - 556,000 Airbag issues
« Reply #27 on: May 21, 2015, 08:54:13 PM »
No 80 series on that list I'm safe  O0
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« Reply #28 on: May 21, 2015, 09:01:48 PM »

No 80 series on that list I'm safe  O0
I found the airbags from your 80. PM sent
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« Reply #29 on: May 21, 2015, 09:06:41 PM »
No 80 series on that list I'm safe  O0
They still knew how to make stuff that rusted away before it broke then

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Re: Worlds Largest Vehicle recall - 556,000 Airbag issues
« Reply #30 on: May 21, 2015, 09:09:04 PM »
I found the airbags from your 80. PM sent
Yup that's them  :cup:

They still knew how to make stuff that rusted away before it broke then
Too right  :cheers:
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« Reply #31 on: May 21, 2015, 09:10:12 PM »
Love my 80, don't think there's anything I'd replace it with

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« Reply #33 on: May 21, 2015, 10:00:41 PM »
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« Reply #34 on: May 21, 2015, 10:23:46 PM »
Was interested in the 2007 Nissan T-30 X-Trail I picked up for the lad's fiance last Xmas but if you click on the Nissan link on that Govt recall site you'll see it refers specifically to Nissans  built between April 2001 and June 2003 at this stage -
http://www.accc.gov.au/consumers/consumer-protection/buying-safe-products/takata-airbag-recalls/nissan-n16-pulsar-y61-patrol-d22-navara-a33-maxima-and-t30-x-trail-vehicles
so it appears hers is not affected

When you think about 50 million vehicles world wide, that could easily send manufacturer Takata broke and may raise the question as to how long car manufacturers like Nissan should be expected to back these items. 12 years is getting on particularly if most cars that age are now second or third hand like the one I bought. One to keep an eye on for developments.
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« Reply #35 on: May 21, 2015, 11:15:32 PM »
Bwahahaha! Speak of the devil  >:D

'Automotive dealers have seized on the recall of over half of a million Australian cars with defective airbags to raise safety concerns about the Coalition’s proposal to allow Australians to import their own cars.

Japanese parts supplier Takata yesterday bowed to pressure from regulators and admitted for the first time there were defects in the company’s airbag inflators which can cause them to explode and send shrapnel flying into cars.

Airbag recall- what you should know

Six deaths and more than 100 injuries have been linked to the problem, sparking a global recall. The admission has led to the largest automotive recall in US history with almost 34 million vehicles potentially affected.

Cabinet has spooked automotive dealers by last month agreeing to consider allowing personal imports of overseas vehicles provided they met domestic safety standards.

Australian Automotive Dealers Association chief executive Patrick Tessier today said that, under the government’s proposal to allow personal imports, offshore dealers would be less likely to contact buyers in the event of a recall.

“A PIV (personally imported vehicle) purchased outside the authorised dealer network would not be covered by a manufacturer’s warranty and could not be traced in the event of a recall,” Mr Tessier said.

“Will the government take responsibility for and bear the costs of ensuring defects such as faulty airbags are remedied?”

Assistant Infrastructure Minister Jamie Briggs last month said the government also wanted to harmonise Australian standards with international guidelines “as quickly as possible”.

“We want Australians to have access to the best possible vehicle fleet, the safest vehicle fleet and the cheapest vehicle fleet they can get access to. We want a competitive market,” he told The Australian.'


Naturally my warm fuzzy business type peers are only thinking of your safety here folks or are you a wee bit more cynical than that-

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« Reply #36 on: May 22, 2015, 01:36:08 AM »
Or it's an ill wind as they say and on that note all we need now is for the Regulator of all things that go bump in the night to come out and announce most seriously and sombrely that clearly the community needs 10 year use-by dates on safety airbags, just like LPG bottles and smoke detectors, so we can all sleep safely in our beds.
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« Reply #37 on: May 22, 2015, 06:26:08 AM »

Or clearly the community needs 10 year use-by dates on safety airbags, just like LPG bottles and smoke detectors, so we can all sleep safely in our beds.
I believe you're on the money here. Same as inflatable life jackets have to be serviced and the gas bottle changed over at use by date.

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« Reply #38 on: May 22, 2015, 11:00:47 AM »
I think the issue isn't so much like a warranty period it's more that the car manufacturers were supplied with faulty or defective parts from the word go.

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« Reply #39 on: May 22, 2015, 04:18:57 PM »
For point of discussion, while they could crash test for correct airbag activation during manufacture, it could be a bit hard to test for plastic componentry and switching that houses the airbag and gas cannister that breaks down over a 10+ year period.
Not disputing the seriousness of the situation, but we already have many other situations of component failure over time, electrics, mechanics and components that could put a driver in a fatal situation by failing while driving, that's why there's a maintenance schedule, but because this is a designated safety item, not sure why anyone could expect it to be fully operational after 10years sitting behind a plastic steering wheel etc.
Fire extinguisher and suspression systems need a regular check. Smoke detectors are only as good as the battery being changed regularly etc.
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Re: Worlds Largest Vehicle recall - 556,000 Airbag issues
« Reply #40 on: May 22, 2015, 04:59:20 PM »
I thought an air bag had a 10
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« Reply #41 on: May 22, 2015, 05:04:23 PM »
It's just the poxy litigious world we live in now.
Everyone covering thier arse so they don't get sued

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Re: Worlds Largest Vehicle recall - 556,000 Airbag issues
« Reply #42 on: May 22, 2015, 06:49:54 PM »
I tested my 2008 GU's airbag in 2013 - well, I tested both of them, the car wasn't smart enough to know that I was alone - and thankfully it didn't shoot me. I looked and felt like I'd been shot, though - the airbag opened my face up around my eyes and cheeks, and the bag itself actually scratched my eyeballs. They don't tell you about that...

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« Reply #43 on: May 22, 2015, 07:19:31 PM »
Could see a cottage industry of disconnecting airbags and fitting a resistor in place to avoid check lights!

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« Reply #44 on: May 22, 2015, 10:20:37 PM »
I thought an air bag had a 10
year life.......

I don't know,  my MIL is still going fine
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« Reply #45 on: May 23, 2015, 06:19:58 AM »
"That's nasty - lol But sadly true"

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« Reply #46 on: May 23, 2015, 07:13:49 AM »

I don't know,  my MIL is still going fine
yeah, but look out if her air bags go off!!!!

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« Reply #47 on: May 24, 2015, 09:39:41 AM »
Can't talk about other manufacturers but this is what I have done as a Nissan owner.

I read here that someone says they have been told that it could be next year before this is rectified.

Can you imagine the outcry if in Australia there is a death as a result of this known problem. It is reported that worldwide there have been five deaths linked to the faulty airbag.

 I have just sent this email to my local Nissan dealer.

I sent this to let them know that I am aware of the problem and that if anything were to happen to a member of my family as a result of this problem it can be proved that I had made contact with Nissan and what response they have provided to protect my family from this problem after they became aware of it.

TO SAY WE WILL FIX IT NEXT YEAR WILL NOT BE GOOD ENOUGH PROTECTION FOR ME AND MY FAMILY

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"I have been reading articles about the worldwide vehicle recall and note that the Y61 Patrol is a vehicle involved in this recall.

I also read that the reason for the recall is that potentially there are faulty airbags fitted that have been linked to 5 DEATHS.

I am the owner of a 2005 (Y61) 4.2 turbo diesel Patrol.  NSW REGO (------)

Can you please advise what the process will be to get my vehicle repaired under this recall."

Nissan have form regarding recalls - nobody contacted me regarding the recall over blistered dash.  I found out on the grapevine and had to contact them.

I'll post the response if you are interested.


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« Reply #48 on: May 24, 2015, 09:29:58 PM »
shakey55 asks the $64squillion dollar question- "Can you imagine the outcry if in Australia there is a death as a result of this known problem?"

Now recall the size of the problem-

"It has become the biggest recall in the history of the automobile.
More than 50 million cars have now been officially recalled because of a potentially fatal flaw in airbags provided by Japanese supplier Takata.
More than 10 car manufacturers have been caught up in the recall which has been linked to at least six deaths and more than 100 injuries."

Well there's no doubt it doesn't get much worse than a safety device designed to prevent death and injury that does just that. However we're not talking a device per car but now we have cars coming out with 6+ airbags in them all over the place and the penny has dropped that they don't last forever. We learn by experience and the question is can questionable airbags be easily identified and repaired/replaced in a timely manner by car dealerships or do we have to have a blanket age condemnation and what age is it for us to be sure?

We haven't had airbags long enough to know but we're rapidly learning and we should have thought about a suitable time period for decommissioning such explosive devices anyway. We didn't and here we all are. That raises the question what approach should we take because we're all in this together and no good being indignant that the manufacturers of new technology couldn't know all the long term ramifications.

Now here's a prickly one. Suppose it's determined that to be safe from explosion 10 years is the limit, should our Regulations be changed to allow current owners to have them removed and drive without them should they choose ( I assume here there's no way Takata could be made to sort out the airbags in 50 mill vehicles without going to the wall) Such cars could be flagged as having had them removed should they come on the market and it's up to buyers to decide whether they're comfortable driving in them.
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« Reply #49 on: May 24, 2015, 10:09:25 PM »
"I am the owner of a 2005 (Y61) 4.2 turbo diesel Patrol.  NSW REGO (------)"

You and millions of others. Did you buy it new or used? If you bought it new does the Dealer have any obligation to replace your airbags after 10 years? Australian Consumer Law didn't apply when your Nissan was new and since it has it only says the goods must perform for the purpose stated to the satisfaction of a 'reasonable person'. 10 years sounds find to me and if the Gummint introduce a Reg that all airbags are past their use-by date after 10 years in service then with a 2002 Commode ute I'll have to wear it too. The only difference between us may then be I'd prefer to be allowed to remove my 2 and carry on driving without them. What about you?
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