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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: vicandug on January 02, 2015, 03:32:47 PM
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hi all
Tomorrow is meant to be hot and windy. It's been advised that we leave the mountain. Good in theory... Where do you go with 2 dogs, 2 cats and 2 birds?
We have an engagement party to go to tomorrow night. I'm guessing the pets aren't invited.
I am a bit more of let's wait and see what happens but I know we are in a high fire risk area and the wind is an enemy on a bad day.
Vicki
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Why would you risk it?
Look at how fast that fire out at the Grampians is travelling today...
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Why would you risk it?
Look at how fast that fire out at the Grampians is travelling today...
I didnt know there was a fire. I hope everyone is safe. The camper is hooked up to the car ready to go if needed.
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I didnt know there was a fire. I hope everyone is safe. The camper is hooked up to the car ready to go if needed.
http://warnings.cfa.vic.gov.au/ (http://warnings.cfa.vic.gov.au/)
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Thanks bird. I have all the apps and notifications turned on but haven't checked them. My settings are the same as hubbies but I don't get any warnings or anything to my phone. I am going to check it all now but read the posts on myswag
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Good time to think about a plan before you may need one...
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Take your dogs and leave early. The Cats and birds will work it out...
If you live in the hills, surrounded by scrub or Forrest, why would you stay? I'd leave early, and not take the chance. Fires travel too quickly, roads get congested or closed, it can become dark during the daytime, and people panic when they make the decision too late.
Our forecast is 44 degrees with winds up to 40km/hr tomorrow. Luckily we live in town, it's flat, and we are surrounded by an irrigation district, so the chances of a bushfire here are very remote.
All the best.
Pog.
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Good time to think about a plan before you may need one...
Best advice yet ...
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Onya bike.
I have a sister in law in Upwey.
We have a standing arrangement.
Anything over 35C and windy they leave the hills behind and stay here.
Been there, done that, not worth it.
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You have most likely seen this?
http://cfaonline.cfa.vic.gov.au/mycfa/Show?pageId=publicDisplayDoc&fname=2014/CIG-W-SMR-Cockatoo-5_00_3015.pdf (http://cfaonline.cfa.vic.gov.au/mycfa/Show?pageId=publicDisplayDoc&fname=2014/CIG-W-SMR-Cockatoo-5_00_3015.pdf)
Mid to late afternoon seem to be the most dangerous periods on Code Red days. Know where your neighbourhood safer place is, and if leaving leave as early as possible.
Personally, I've stayed once and survived (with assistance from a full CFA strike team of 5 tankers and a slip on unit). Would never do it again if I couldn't be sure one wasn't going to be around. If you are not fully prepared, or if at all uncertain of your abilities, it isn't worth it.
:cheers: and stay safe.
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I didnt know there was a fire. I hope everyone is safe. The camper is hooked up to the car ready to go if needed.
Your welcome to come drop the trailer off here tonight for the week of you need to. Out the back yard out of sight... The trailer one less thing to worry about if you gotta fawk off in a hurry and need to reverse etc.
We already got a cat so wont offer to house the animals.. ;)
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Prior Preparation and Planning.
Contact whoever is having the engagement and let them know your circumstance they will understand. You wouldn't really enjoy yourself being away from home now would you and If you do need to evacuate save ALL your animals.
Good Luck and let us all know how you get on.
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Prior Preparation and Planning.
Contact whoever is having the engagement and let them know your circumstance they will understand. You wouldn't really enjoy yourself being away from home now would you and If you do need to evacuate save ALL your animals.
Good Luck and let us all know how you get on.
There is nothing here or near here at the moment. It's an ongoing debate every year amongst locals. If it's an extreme day (which it is tomorrow) the CFA advise to leave the night before. That's really good in theory but not always doable.
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Depends how prepared you are for fires? Do you have plans in place? Equipment to fight a fire around your house? Availability of a safe room to hire if need be, etc...
My view would be - if in doubt - get out.... you only have one life...
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.. That's really good in theory but not always doable.
Really ??? is it any different to when the fire is on your doorstep to go now or when your in danger?
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We went earlier this year dog and cat in the car moved the horses up the rd where neighbour had irrigated paddocks but would of liked to have moved them further. I would go again only things we grabbed at time was laptop which has photos on it and not much else was already towing the camper as we had just got back from river when fire was on its way there was alot of hurrying. Luckily fire didnt make it here
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Were locked and loaded. Run the 6 P's. "Proper Planning Prevents P!SS Poor Performance"
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Were locked and loaded. Run the 6 P's. "Proper Planning Prevents P!SS Poor Performance"
We are all hooked up Scott. Food, towels etc is always in the trailer. We will decide in the morning if we go. We would never stay until the lady minute and def won't try and fight it.
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Vicandung
I would suggest your evacuation plans are not in place or lacking in content if you have to ask this question as indicated by the comment that you "have no-where to go to take the animals" (or the camper it would seem).
A valid plan should have had these items worked out and catered for.
Start planing to update the plan, now, mate.
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We are all hooked up Scott. Food, towels etc is always in the trailer. We will decide in the morning if we go. We would never stay until the lady minute and def won't try and fight it.
This may Help ya decide
http://www.weatherlink.com/ (http://www.weatherlink.com/)
http://www.weatherlink.com/user/merritt (http://www.weatherlink.com/user/merritt)
http://www.weatherlink.com/user/gpeec (http://www.weatherlink.com/user/gpeec)
http://www.weatherlink.com/user/anso (http://www.weatherlink.com/user/anso)
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Vicandung
I would suggest your evacuation plans are not in place or lacking in content if you have to ask this question as indicated by the comment that you "have no-where to go to take the animals" (or the camper it would seem).
A valid plan should have had these items worked out and catered for.
Start planing to update the plan, now, mate.
The only fire plan we really have is if there is a fire and it's heading this way, we leave. We don't stick around. To be totally honest we haven't thought any further than that. Depending on which way the fire was coming we would head in the opposite direction.
We have tonight loaded up the safe with passports, birth certificates, insurance docs, tax stuff, animal records etc, packed a tub of food for the dogs and the cats, the cat cages are on the kitchen table. There is a change of clothes in another tub for us. These will all be put in the camper in the morning. The camper will be on the car so wherever we take the car the camper will follow.
I have 2 huge suitcases of photos as well.
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Leave and leave early....don't procrastinate, have a sound, but simple plan, and ensure it allows you plenty of time to evacuate, the rest will sort itself out....
Im not sure of your situation, but I hope your safe...
Swanny.
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Safe Refuge is Open to any Swaggers affected by fire in Nagambie , cats c, dogs even kids .
0412158001 The Door is always unlocked :cheers:
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Safe Refuge is Open to any Swaggers affected by fire in Nagambie , cats c, dogs even kids .
0412158001 The Door is always unlocked :cheers:
:cup: :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup: The Generosity of swaggers never ceases to amaze
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The only fire plan we really have is if there is a fire and it's heading this way, we leave. We don't stick around. To be totally honest we haven't thought any further than that.
Honest living where you do, you should have had one done in winter...
Visit your local CFA station and have a chat with the captain, or community consultant..
They will be only too happy to work with you on planning..
You might find that they are down the station now preparing, I'd go and do it now... Having spent 14yrs in RFS in NSW its amazing how easy it is to setup a plan that suits....
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You have a good basic plan in that you will leave, but can you take the safe with you?
They won't survive in an inferno if left in the house.
You don't have large animals, so you should have basic plans to confine and or cage them early in the day concerned. You don't want to spend 15 minutes trying to find the cat for example.
Yes, it's a hard call. I had 20 years experience as a professional firefighter with Forestry Vic, but only ever had one experience in being at a fire front on my own property. If I were 30 and fit I would do it again. At nearly 60 I will never do it again becoz the emotional drain is excessive.
The emphasis now is getting warnings out beforehand. Government is playing safe. You may live in a semi built up area of cockatoo not dissimilar to urban melbourne, but the risk is higher than normal.
On the flip side, you arnt in a summer period at the end of a long drought, so fire behaviour will be reduced.
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On the flip side, you arnt in a summer period at the end of a long drought, so fire behaviour will be reduced.
Actually we had below average spring and summer rainfall. My garden is as dry now as it was early Feb last year. The place is ready to go up.
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Actually we had below average spring and summer rainfall. My garden is as dry now as it was early Feb last year. The place is ready to go up.
See, living down here is an advantage! And I loose track of Vic weather! ;D
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Safe Refuge is Open to any Swaggers affected by fire in Nagambie , cats c, dogs even kids .
0412158001 The Door is always unlocked :cheers:
There is only one small clause, bring beer and make sure it's green ;D
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Safe Refuge is Open to any Swaggers affected by fire in Nagambie , cats c, dogs even kids .
0412158001 The Door is always unlocked :cheers:
Thanks speewa. Gotta love my swag peoples xxx
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See, living down here is an advantage! And I loose track of Vic weather! ;D
But bear in mind the FDI in black Saturday in 2009 was in excess of 200, whilst the current FDI for the Central highlands is around 100.
http://www.bom.gov.au/vic/forecasts/fire-map.shtml (http://www.bom.gov.au/vic/forecasts/fire-map.shtml)
So, conditions 2 moz are far reduced from then.
Since 2009 the emergency scales have been varied so they portray different values of risk. So, not underestimating tomorrow's forecast, but since then emergency services have attempted to provide more valid information to the public.
Frankly, on any given day, to the general punter, it makes no difference if the FDI is 100 or 200. It's still a fire I wouldn't like to be in front of.
:cheers:
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There is only one small clause, bring beer and make sure it's green ;D
That would be Boags?
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If in any doubt, how much is a caravan park per night. Go and read the stats about fire travel speed in 1999, you would NEVER out run it, if I recall it was something like 35 minutes from Gembrook to Officer
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That would be Boags?
Coopers Green.....
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Hoping all swaggers are staying safe. Can the boxes you have packed with clothes food etc go in the car tonight I know it is late but loading a car up if a fire front is moving in is wasting your time to get away. I agree with Mace if you are able to take your important info with you that is better with you than in the safe. Scarps shared a good video on facebook today showing things to have ready more about if you have pets I could share it to the myswag facebook page if you are on there might share it anyway. It is very dry around our place with a lot of long grass having been left on drainage channel banks. Having said that the same as Speewa has mentioned we have room here for a camper and pets if it was needed PM lino6 or myself if anything we can do to help out.
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http://www.cfa.vic.gov.au/plan-prepare/ (http://www.cfa.vic.gov.au/plan-prepare/)
http://www.cfa.vic.gov.au/plan-prepare/fireready-quiz/ (http://www.cfa.vic.gov.au/plan-prepare/fireready-quiz/)
http://www.cfa.vic.gov.au/plan-prepare/your-local-area/ (http://www.cfa.vic.gov.au/plan-prepare/your-local-area/)
http://www.cfa.vic.gov.au/plan-prepare/before-and-during-a-fire/ (http://www.cfa.vic.gov.au/plan-prepare/before-and-during-a-fire/)
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OK, for swaggers in trouble in fire areas only (BHG don't even think about it)
Mornington Peninsula
I have a semi secure back yard, large enough to erect most campers, 15 amp exterior 240 v power, dogs ok, but may have to be on leads.
If you're in a fire danger area and need accomodation call me 0419 357762
cheers Keith :cheers: :cheers:
any prank callers, I will find you and keeeeell you veeeery slowly, I haff my waze >:(
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Can't leave pets behind with a good conscience. That's a major issue for most people.my domesticated cats would be fornicated and as thier part of the family I couldn't abandon them to a death like that with a good conscience.
Having said that they are extremely sharp little bastards to transport.
Hope I haven't offended anyone! Dosn't seem hard
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Can't leave pets behind with a good conscience. That's a major issue for most people.my domesticated cats would be fornicated and as thier part of the family I couldn't abandon them to a death like that with a good conscience.
Having said that they are extremely sharp little bastards to transport.
Hope I haven't offended anyone! Dosn't seem hard
get some tranquilizers from your vet
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get some tranquilizers from your vet
I agree it's doable but people with cars full of pets and tired kids adds a whole new dimension to the avoidance of risk
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I agree it's doable but people with cars full of pets and tired kids adds a whole new dimension to the avoidance of risk
If you have a secure cat cage shouldnt be so bad put them in the back our cat prefers a towel or something over the cage keeps her calm. When we had to leave the cat was in the cage for about 3 hours before we could get her out at friends and she was ok a long part of that time her and the dog were just sitting in the car with aircon on whilst we moved horses and helped others. I get what you are saying about distractions but people drive with tired kids in the car all the time perhaps have some special things in the fire pack that they dont normally have.
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We have tonight loaded up the safe with passports, birth certificates, insurance docs, tax stuff, animal records etc,
If you have smart phone take photo of all numbers on these docs, ie, passport # , birth certificate # insurance policy #, etc. is also good practice when travelling, if anything got lost
Obviously not now but part of future planning.
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Thanks for all of the offers. I know that there are a few my swaggers up this way and hopefully we will never be in a situation where we need to accept this offers....
Even in the outer suburbs there is a fire threat as so many of them are new And in areas surrounded by paddocks. Everyone needs to be careful.... Not just up here on the mountain.
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No doubt you will have left by now, but if you haven't - this wind should tell you to have been long gone.
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A bit OT, but on Xmas eve my neighbours house burnt to the ground. Woke at 10 past midnight to flames shooting out the windows about 6 foot higher than the gutters.
About 6 or 8 fire units turned up (we only have tank water so they needed all the water they could bring), but it was gone. Took less than 10mins from the other neighbour noticing a glow and smoke to full inferno.
Lucky the owner is single and was at work on shift.
It was horrifying to see how quickly that fire destroyed that house - it was a stucco style on slab, half timber frame half steel. My house is an old qlder, all timber. If it wasn't so wet here lately we would have had a real bushfire situation in the middle of the night Xmas eve.
Made me realise we hadn't planned anything in the event of bushfire, and also made me realise how quickly a fire takes hold. If you were in that house, you had maybe 3-5mins to get out before you died from smoke inhalation. In a bushfire event, this would be magnified ten fold I would imagine.
Stay safe, and if I was in your situation I would be gone with the family to a safe place.
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If you have smart phone take photo of all numbers on these docs, ie, passport # , birth certificate # insurance policy #, etc. is also good practice when travelling, if anything got lost
Obviously not now but part of future planning.
This is a very good idea then email the photos to yourself because you can access emails from anywhere but say your phone got lost dropped in a rush to get out broken etc then no other copy.
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No doubt you will have left by now, but if you haven't - this wind should tell you to have been long gone.
Hey bird. We stayed home with a constant eye on the apps. We have to go to an engagement party down your way tonight so Ug is unhitching the camper and putting it back in the shed.
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We all talk about making plans etc, but maybe that 'plan A' is not enough.
Talking to someone involved near the fires here in Adelaide today. They have a plan and were on official alert to activate it.
Part of that plan is to move pets etc to a certain friends place some considerable distance away.
That plan went out the window when his friend was ordered to evacuate because the fire is so widely spread!.
He was madly trying to organise a 'plan B'
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Stay safe swaggers...
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Plan A , B , C ,D & Then Some . Stay safe :cheers:
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Plan A , B , C ,D & Then Some . Stay safe :cheers:
what he says.. I cant believe after all these years, all the media advertising, free advice from the community fire program and all this time people don't have plans...
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Agree with Speewa, I think we were up to about plan f in the fires last February, especially dealing with stock. We had plans that saved the stock but keeping them alive after the main front went thru was really a matter of thinking on your feet. We stayed because it was flat country and we were well prepared I would never stay if it was up in the hills. Part of your plan has to be different ways out, having your property well prepared and if you are staying have good fighting equipment. I read somewhere a while back that in a survey the CFA conducted that 75% of people surveyed still thought the CFA were going to be there when they need them. Those people may be sadly mistaken when they need them the most, they do an amazing job but they can't be everywhere
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what he says.. I cant believe after all these years, all the media advertising, free advice from the community fire program and all this time people don't have plans...
Neither can I, Bruce
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We have a plan, it's just knowing when to implement it.
Our plan is leave but how do you know when it's time. Of course if there is a fire in the area or a radius of xkm, but if there are no fires and it's been classed as an extreme day...... Is it really necessary.
We wouldn't put our lives in danger. We wouldn't defend the house. We have insurance for that.
Vicki
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We have a basic plan that we can work from depending on what the situation is we are dealing with. Where the fire is coming from, expected wind changes, etc. Leaving is not going to happen unless I can get 9 horses, 3 dogs and 6 chooks (not to mention the entire contents of my shed) in the trailer . This property IS our life. If we die defending it then so be it. But I'm fairly confident we won't! ! Having said that I know a lot of my neighbors have got zero idea about fire and will expect me in the big red truck to save them.
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We have a basic plan that we can work from depending on what the situation is we are dealing with. Where the fire is coming from, expected wind changes, etc. Leaving is not going to happen unless I can get 9 horses, 3 dogs and 6 chooks (not to mention the entire contents of my shed) in the trailer . This property IS our life. If we die defending it then so be it. But I'm fairly confident we won't! ! Having said that I know a lot of my neighbors have got zero idea about fire and will expect me in the big red truck to save them.
Nice post mate, but when you say "we"....does that mean your wife as well ?? I hope not..
Are you REALLY prepared to die trying to save worldly possessions ??
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Yes wife too. She is also cfa trained and more importantly sensible. The shed content part was a joke but our animals are our responsibility. I could not live with any clear conscious if i just left them for dead. I understand where you are coming from but we've been there before. Seen too many animals (and people for that matter) suffering because of plod roadblocks. We know the risks . I suppose I could just go down to the city shopping center and wait it out but I don't think that is the aussie way. ;-)
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but if there are no fires and it's been classed as an extreme day...... Is it really necessary
If the experts are saying GTFO, then I'd suggest yes its a good excuse for a drive away from home..... if its an inconvenience then so be it, your alive.. if you take a drive and its a false alarm - what have you lost? If you decide to stay and it wasn't a false alarm, I don't really think you have an idea of what you could be in for or you wouldn't be asking.
... as for dying for a few horses and chickens... (http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd234/cremo1/Smileys/idontgetit.png)
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My cousin in law was one of the investigators from Tasfire that helped with the black fires from Vic a few years ago. The thing that amazed him was that it was so random as to who died and what burnt that seriously (capitals for effect) NO ONE IS PREPARED FOR THE BIG ONE.
They had houses that would make a greenie green with envy not even smoulder whilst text book prepared placed burnt to the ground and the occupants died.
His advice to us was;
Insure your house above what its worth.
Insure your contents above what its worth.
Put your keepsakes in cases ready to go.
A backup computer drive.
Then, when these days come, pack up and go to the beach/park/movies/friends. If it burns it burns. If your pets die they die. Get your big fat cheques from the insurance company and move on.
good luck to all.
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I'v seen around 150 odd homes lost in bushfires around Sydney and wider in the past 20 years, 20odd homes during Oct 2014 Blue Mountains Bushfires the most recent.
There is a lot of depate about staying or going, and from my point of view as a Full Time Firefighter, if you and your Property is not BushFire Ready, do yourself and others like me a favor and leave early with your pets, I hate seeing pets locked in house's left to burn alive.
Majority of the 150 odd houses I'v seen lost have been on the Urban/Bush Interface, where many people think it can't happen to me, and it appeared very little to No Bushfire Safe Preparation around house and yards had been undertaken, and this is where the planning starts, reducing the vegetation fire loading around your house goes a very very long way.
Forget about garden houses, with their plastic tap fittings and light rubber hoses, they just melt when you need them the most, and when you need the water the most, usually the fire service does too and has sucked the street mains dry, leaving your street with no water supply.
And if you are thinking about staying and fighting, think about being self efficient, as firefighters if you are prepared equipment wise, you make our job so much easier.
So for a little outlay, a cost of around $2000 -> $5000, simply purchase youself a 1000-> 5,000Lt bushfire safe water tank, bushfire firefighting pump (Diesel Preferd) and 2x 25m lengths of 25mm bush firefighting hose, and then sit and wait for the fire front to come to you, you will be a long way a head of majority of house owners when it comes to protecting your house "after the fire front has pass".
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My cousin in law was one of the investigators from Tasfire that helped with the black fires from Vic a few years ago. The thing that amazed him was that it was so random as to who died and what burnt that seriously (capitals for effect) NO ONE IS PREPARED FOR THE BIG ONE.
They had houses that would make a greenie green with envy not even smoulder whilst text book prepared placed burnt to the ground and the occupants died.
His advice to us was;
Insure your house above what its worth.
Insure your contents above what its worth.
Put your keepsakes in cases ready to go.
A backup computer drive.
Then, when these days come, pack up and go to the beach/park/movies/friends. If it burns it burns. If your pets die they die. Get your big fat cheques from the insurance company and move on.
good luck to all.
With all due respect ( you know what's coming now) your cousin in law is a ****in dumb Shit. Our lifestyle has nothing to do with money. I could sell my property for more than 10 years of my annual salary. I sometimes don't leave my property for weeks on end. I have no life outside of these fences. (Sad, I know). IF pets die that is my ****ing fault. If people die that is their fault. I went through that fire you are talking about. Brick houses burned while cedar weather board house remained untouched. I don't know much but I know money ain't the answer
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Yes wife too. She is also cfa trained and more importantly sensible. The shed content part was a joke but our animals are our responsibility. I could not live with any clear conscious if i just left them for dead. I understand where you are coming from but we've been there before. Seen too many animals (and people for that matter) suffering because of plod roadblocks. We know the risks . I suppose I could just go down to the city shopping center and wait it out but I don't think that is the aussie way. ;-)
I do t get it ???
Could you live with a clear conscious if your wife was injured or worse trying to protect your property?
Are you seriously suggesting that the cops are putting lives at risk with roadblocks?
Fires, wind direction and speed cannot be predicted. If the CFA or cops tell you to evacuate you should go rather than stay and put others lives at risk.
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With all due respect ( you know what's coming now) your cousin in law is a ****in dumb ****. Our lifestyle has nothing to do with money. I could sell my property for more than 10 years of my annual salary. I sometimes don't leave my property for weeks on end. I have no life outside of these fences. (Sad, I know). IF pets die that is my ****ing fault. If people die that is their fault. I went through that fire you are talking about. Brick houses burned while cedar weather board house remained untouched. I don't know much but I know money ain't the answer
The point is that preparation is no guarantee that your house is not going to burn and you will probably die.
Now, if you are happier dying with your house then that's a choice you make. Somewhat sad choice as I am sure you would be missed, but yours to make.
Most people I know would rather live, keep a few momento's and their loved ones and pay a builder to build them a new house and continue living.
BTW, my cousin in law is incredibly well respected in the fire community and like many other long term fire officers have had their eyes opened of late. The hero days are gone, or at least on their way out.
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OK you don't get it. I'll try to explain. The horses are my wives. The dogs are my wives. The property is ours. It IS our life. Yes the cops are putting lives at risk. I personally had a confrontation with an officer who was not local even to the state as to who was allowed through a roadblock. I was driving a big red truck at the time and he was questioning what our intentions were as to what we were going to use our water for. Cops or( cfa officials sitting in an office 50 ks away in Burwood) are not in any position to know what is going on on the ground. (Please don't question this statement. I know what I am talking about). As you say fires, wind direction and speed cannot be predicted with any great accuracy but we on the ground who know the local topography have a better chance at guessing it than the shiny arsed pencil pushers that have only read about it in the manual
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The hero days are gone, or at least on their way out.
One thing to be a hero....but to have another person (probably a firie ) try to be one as well attempting to save you is not a smart thing to do..
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The point is that preparation is no guarantee that your house is not going to burn and you will probably die.
Now, if you are happier dying with your house then that's a choice you make. Somewhat sad choice as I am sure you would be missed, but yours to make.
Most people I know would rather live, keep a few momento's and their loved ones and pay a builder to build them a new house and continue living.
BTW, my cousin in law is incredibly well respected in the fire community and like many other long term fire officers have had their eyes opened of late. The hero days are gone, or at least on their way out.
I'm listening to you dazzler. I would not be happy to die. And I seriously hope someone will miss me. (Sadly not many but I call it as I see it :-)) I truly believe the fires are getting worse and I am no hero. ( ask the people who know me), but our life revolves around our property and the animals it houses. I don't care about the house, shed and infatructure but I'll be dammed if I'll run away if I can help it. I'm not the only one in this area who feels this way and none of us will put anyone else in danger.
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(Please don't question this statement. I know what I am talking about). As you say fires, wind direction and speed cannot be predicted with any great accuracy but we on the ground who know the local topography have a better chance at guessing it than the shiny arsed pencil pushers that have only read about it in the manual
X2
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Problem is that someone might die trying to save you because you refused to leave. No matter what you say or think, that's their job and they will attempt to save you if the poo hits the fan.
Amazes me people in floods etc that refuse to go when told, then brave people need to rescue them, tying up sorely needed resources and putting themselves in danger.
If you don't care about yourself, think of others perhaps?
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Mate if it hits the fan no one will come in
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And yes we have several fire plans depends on the day code red we will leave
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I won't refuse to leave as no-one will tell me that. It's not law in Victoria and seriously who is going to drive around a community in danger to warn everyone.That is not the cfa or vicpols job. This was raised after black Saturday and was put in the too hard basket. Up until this year you could listen to the scanner so you knew what was happening in your area. The cfa have changed over to digital and 95% of the locals now don't know when the truck turns out. Authorities don't want to give you any information that you can act on cause they will get sued at the end of the Shitfight
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Wow, what happened to this thread...
Property is renewable. Lives arn't.
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I do t get it ???
Could you live with a clear conscious if your wife was injured or worse trying to protect your property?
Are you seriously suggesting that the cops are putting lives at risk with roadblocks?
Fires, wind direction and speed cannot be predicted. If the CFA or cops tell you to evacuate you should go rather than stay and put others lives at risk.
I would never ever even consider staying long enough to have to be told to leave. I would be long gone.
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http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/hastings-residents-shocked-by-fastmoving-fires-20150104-12hn7s.html (http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/hastings-residents-shocked-by-fastmoving-fires-20150104-12hn7s.html)
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Im now freshly moved into a high risk area in sa, and as a survivor of the 80 and 83 fires, im seriously contemplating a bunker. Whats ppls thoughts on bunkers, to all the appropriate current standards of course.
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even if you escaped the radiant heat and flames etc, I think you would also need an oxygen supply.
friends had a huge wine seller under their house stone and concrete. always said if a fire came that would be the safety bunker. well a fire did come and they decided to flee instead.
when they came back to inspect the smouldering ruins they discovered the stone in the walls of the celler had exploded.
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Yeah mate, not a burried shipping container or an old cellar or any of that crud, a proper bunker, air tight door, heat protection àn outside sensors, air supply, battery lights etc etc..... about 10k for small one from what i can tell as only 3 of us..... Surprised none of resident experts piped up yet :cheers:
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We have friends who live in Warrandyte (Vic) in a heavily treed area. They installed a bunker which has an oxygen supply. The entrance is pretty close to the house but in a cleared area so can't be blocked by falling trees or debris. Not sure what they paid. I don't understand why so many people who rebuilt after the 2009 fires didn't also install a bunker as part of the rebuild. To me it would be last resort as in if during the night, sudden outbreak etc.
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For those really interested in the topic and who want a bit of further reading:
LESSONS LEARNT FROM THE BLACK SATURDAY BUSHFIRES.
http://www.afac.com.au/downloaddoc.aspx?q=4bbf01aa-670a-4a8f-bc69-4f9d656622a2 (http://www.afac.com.au/downloaddoc.aspx?q=4bbf01aa-670a-4a8f-bc69-4f9d656622a2)
(oops, you need to be a member of AFAC to view. If anyone wants a copy PM me with an email address. Its a summary of VicPol investigations as to who died and reasons why. Nothing gory, just a reasoned view of a lot of issues).
Cheers.
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We have friends who live in Warrandyte (Vic) in a heavily treed area. They installed a bunker which has an oxygen supply. The entrance is pretty close to the house but in a cleared area so can't be blocked by falling trees or debris. Not sure what they paid. I don't understand why so many people who rebuilt after the 2009 fires didn't also install a bunker as part of the rebuild. To me it would be last resort as in if during the night, sudden outbreak etc.
A few people did put in some bunkers but they had to do it secretly because none of the councils would sign them off. At the time there was no regs concerning the legality of them and if you put one in the council wouldn't give you your C of Occupancy. Personally I think they are a good idea but they have to be done right.
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A few people did put in some bunkers but they had to do it secretly because none of the councils would sign them off. At the time there was no regs concerning the legality of them and if you put one in the council wouldn't give you your C of Occupancy. Personally I think they are a good idea but they have to be done right.
I tend to agree, with a proviso, and risking being called a "resident expert" will offer the following.
The last paragraph of the AFACS document I linked above:
"And lastly, while on the face of it properly designed and situated fire bunkers seem to offer a failsafe,
last-resort option to residents living in bushfire-prone areas, this will not necessarily be the case. On
days like Black Saturday, it is essential that residents who are going to use a fire bunker enter it before
the fire strikes their property. The experience of the Black Saturday fires indicates that those who
attempt to defend their properties first and then seek refuge in a fire bunker may not be able to do so
for a range of reasons."
:cheers:
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Personally I think they are a good idea but they have to be done right.
I agree with them being a good idea - to a point..
I think they would be brilliant for that overnight emergency last resort but I think they would cause a false sense of security for people to stay. I still say leaving is by far the best option.
Having spoken to a bloke that stood in a pool with a family and a badly burnt/pretty much dead woman after a fire while waiting for an ambo, it wasn't a nice experience
http://www.theleader.com.au/story/1234238/heat-stirs-memory-of-tragic-bushfires/
Last week also marked the 19th anniversary of the 1994 bushfires which destroyed 104 homes in Como, Jannali and the Menai area.
Jannali woman Pauline Mary O’Neil, 42, died in the blaze as she ran from her house towards her backyard swimming pool.
Sutherland Shire RFS Inspector Martyn Kiellor said he remembered trying to put out a fire in a church on the corner of Bindea Street and Lincoln Crescent when he got word that someone had been burnt in a pool nearby.
He stayed in the pool with Ms O’Neil’s two daughters and partner and waited with them until an ambulance arrived.
Marty is still probably around these 4b forums as he's a sad landy fan...