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Re: High fire risk..... Stay or go?
« Reply #50 on: January 03, 2015, 08:50:39 PM »
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what he says.. I cant believe after all these years, all the media advertising, free advice from the community fire program and all this time people don't have plans...
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Re: High fire risk..... Stay or go?
« Reply #51 on: January 03, 2015, 08:57:54 PM »
Agree with Speewa, I think we were up to about plan f in the fires last February,  especially dealing with stock. We had plans that saved the stock but keeping them alive after the main front went thru was really a matter of thinking on your feet. We stayed because it was flat country and we were well prepared I would never stay if it was up in the hills. Part of your plan has to be different ways out, having your property well prepared and if you are staying have good fighting equipment. I read somewhere a while back that in a survey the CFA conducted that 75% of people surveyed still thought the CFA were going to be there when they need them. Those people may be sadly mistaken when they need them the most, they do an amazing job but they can't be everywhere

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Re: High fire risk..... Stay or go?
« Reply #52 on: January 03, 2015, 08:59:59 PM »
what he says.. I cant believe after all these years, all the media advertising, free advice from the community fire program and all this time people don't have plans...
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Re: High fire risk..... Stay or go?
« Reply #53 on: January 04, 2015, 10:08:48 AM »
We have a plan, it's just knowing when to implement it.

Our plan is leave but how do you know when it's time.  Of course if there is a fire in the area or a radius of xkm, but if there are no fires and it's been classed as an extreme day......  Is it really necessary.

We wouldn't put our lives in danger.  We wouldn't defend the house.   We have insurance for that.

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Re: High fire risk..... Stay or go?
« Reply #54 on: January 04, 2015, 02:38:00 PM »
We have a basic plan that we can work from depending on what the situation is we are dealing with.  Where the fire is coming from, expected wind changes, etc. Leaving is not going to happen unless I can get 9 horses, 3 dogs and 6 chooks (not to mention the entire contents of my shed) in the trailer . This property IS our life. If we die defending it then so be it. But I'm fairly confident we won't! ! Having said that I know a lot of my neighbors have got zero idea about fire and will expect me in the big red truck to save them.
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Re: High fire risk..... Stay or go?
« Reply #55 on: January 04, 2015, 04:51:48 PM »
We have a basic plan that we can work from depending on what the situation is we are dealing with.  Where the fire is coming from, expected wind changes, etc. Leaving is not going to happen unless I can get 9 horses, 3 dogs and 6 chooks (not to mention the entire contents of my shed) in the trailer . This property IS our life. If we die defending it then so be it. But I'm fairly confident we won't! ! Having said that I know a lot of my neighbors have got zero idea about fire and will expect me in the big red truck to save them.

Nice post mate, but when you say "we"....does that mean your wife as well ??  I hope not..

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Re: High fire risk..... Stay or go?
« Reply #56 on: January 04, 2015, 05:06:05 PM »
Yes wife too. She is also cfa trained and more importantly sensible.  The shed content part was a joke but our animals are our responsibility.  I could not live with any clear conscious if i just left them for dead. I understand where you are coming from but we've been there before.  Seen too many animals (and people for that matter) suffering because of plod roadblocks. We know the risks . I suppose I could just go down to the city shopping center and wait it out but I don't think that is the aussie way. ;-)
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Re: High fire risk..... Stay or go?
« Reply #57 on: January 04, 2015, 05:08:21 PM »
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but if there are no fires and it's been classed as an extreme day......  Is it really necessary

If the experts are saying GTFO, then I'd suggest yes its a good excuse for a drive away from home..... if its an inconvenience then so be it, your alive.. if you take a drive and its a false alarm - what have you lost? If you decide to stay and it wasn't a false alarm, I don't really think you have an idea of what you could be in for or you wouldn't be asking.

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Re: High fire risk..... Stay or go?
« Reply #58 on: January 04, 2015, 05:18:42 PM »
My cousin in law was one of the investigators from Tasfire that helped with the black fires from Vic a few years ago.  The thing that amazed him was that it was so random as to who died and what burnt that seriously (capitals for effect) NO ONE IS PREPARED FOR THE BIG ONE.

They had houses that would make a greenie green with envy not even smoulder whilst text book prepared placed burnt to the ground and the occupants died.

His advice to us was;

Insure your house above what its worth.

Insure your contents above what its worth.

Put your keepsakes in cases ready to go.

A backup computer drive.

Then, when these days come, pack up and go to the beach/park/movies/friends.  If it burns it burns.  If your pets die they die.  Get your big fat cheques from the insurance company and move on.

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Re: High fire risk..... Stay or go?
« Reply #59 on: January 04, 2015, 05:19:41 PM »
I'v seen around 150 odd homes lost in bushfires around Sydney and wider in the past 20 years, 20odd homes during Oct 2014 Blue Mountains Bushfires the most recent.

There is a lot of depate about staying or going, and from my point of view as a Full Time Firefighter, if you and your Property is not BushFire Ready, do yourself and others like me a favor and leave early with your pets, I hate seeing pets locked in house's left to burn alive.

Majority of the 150 odd houses I'v seen lost have been on the Urban/Bush Interface, where many people think it can't happen to me, and it appeared very little to No Bushfire Safe Preparation around house and yards had been undertaken, and this is where the planning starts, reducing the vegetation fire loading around your house goes a very very long way.

Forget about garden houses, with their plastic tap fittings and light rubber hoses, they just melt when you need them the most, and when you need the water the most, usually the fire service does too and has sucked the street mains dry, leaving your street with no water supply.

And if you are thinking about staying and fighting, think about being self efficient, as firefighters if you are prepared equipment wise, you make our job so much easier.

So for a little outlay, a cost of around $2000 -> $5000, simply purchase youself a 1000-> 5,000Lt bushfire safe water tank, bushfire firefighting pump (Diesel Preferd) and 2x 25m lengths of 25mm bush firefighting hose, and then sit and wait for the fire front to come to you, you will be a long way a head of majority of house owners when it comes to protecting your house "after the fire front has pass".
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Re: High fire risk..... Stay or go?
« Reply #60 on: January 04, 2015, 05:44:02 PM »
My cousin in law was one of the investigators from Tasfire that helped with the black fires from Vic a few years ago.  The thing that amazed him was that it was so random as to who died and what burnt that seriously (capitals for effect) NO ONE IS PREPARED FOR THE BIG ONE.

They had houses that would make a greenie green with envy not even smoulder whilst text book prepared placed burnt to the ground and the occupants died.

His advice to us was;

Insure your house above what its worth.

Insure your contents above what its worth.

Put your keepsakes in cases ready to go.

A backup computer drive.

Then, when these days come, pack up and go to the beach/park/movies/friends.  If it burns it burns.  If your pets die they die.  Get your big fat cheques from the insurance company and move on.

good luck to all.
With all due respect ( you know what's coming now) your cousin in law is a ****in  dumb Shit.  Our lifestyle has nothing to do with money.  I could sell my property for more than 10 years of my annual salary.  I sometimes don't leave my property for weeks on end. I have no life outside of these fences. (Sad, I know). IF pets die that is my ****ing fault.  If people die that is their fault.  I went through that fire you are talking about. Brick houses burned while cedar weather board house remained untouched.  I don't know much but I know money ain't the answer
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Re: High fire risk..... Stay or go?
« Reply #61 on: January 04, 2015, 05:53:30 PM »
Yes wife too. She is also cfa trained and more importantly sensible.  The shed content part was a joke but our animals are our responsibility.  I could not live with any clear conscious if i just left them for dead. I understand where you are coming from but we've been there before.  Seen too many animals (and people for that matter) suffering because of plod roadblocks. We know the risks . I suppose I could just go down to the city shopping center and wait it out but I don't think that is the aussie way. ;-)
I do t get it ???
Could you live with a clear conscious if your wife was injured or worse trying to protect your property?
Are you seriously suggesting that the cops are putting lives at risk with roadblocks?
Fires, wind direction and speed cannot be predicted.   If the CFA or cops tell you to evacuate you should go rather than stay and put others lives at risk.

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« Reply #62 on: January 04, 2015, 06:11:42 PM »
With all due respect ( you know what's coming now) your cousin in law is a ****in  dumb ****.  Our lifestyle has nothing to do with money.  I could sell my property for more than 10 years of my annual salary.  I sometimes don't leave my property for weeks on end. I have no life outside of these fences. (Sad, I know). IF pets die that is my ****ing fault.  If people die that is their fault.  I went through that fire you are talking about. Brick houses burned while cedar weather board house remained untouched.  I don't know much but I know money ain't the answer

The point is that preparation is no guarantee that your house is not going to burn and you will probably die.

Now, if you are happier dying with your house then that's a choice you make.  Somewhat sad choice as I am sure you would be missed, but yours to make.

Most people I know would rather live, keep a few momento's and their loved ones and pay a builder to build them a new house and continue living.

BTW, my cousin in law is incredibly well respected in the fire community and like many other long term fire officers have had their eyes opened of late.  The hero days are gone, or at least on their way out.
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« Reply #63 on: January 04, 2015, 06:16:44 PM »
OK you don't get it.  I'll try to explain.  The horses are my wives. The dogs are my wives. The property is ours. It IS our life. Yes the cops are putting lives at risk.  I personally had a confrontation with an officer who was not local even to the state as to who was allowed through a roadblock. I was driving a big red truck at the time and he was questioning what our intentions were as to what we were going to use our water for. Cops or( cfa officials sitting in an office 50 ks away in Burwood) are not in any position to know what is going on on the ground. (Please don't question this statement.  I know what I am talking about). As you say fires, wind direction and speed cannot be predicted with any great accuracy but we on the ground who know the local topography have a better chance  at guessing it than the shiny arsed pencil pushers that have only read about it in the manual
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Re: High fire risk..... Stay or go?
« Reply #64 on: January 04, 2015, 06:24:02 PM »
The hero days are gone, or at least on their way out.

One thing to be a hero....but to have another person (probably a firie ) try to be one as well attempting to save you is not a smart thing to do..
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« Reply #65 on: January 04, 2015, 06:29:07 PM »
The point is that preparation is no guarantee that your house is not going to burn and you will probably die.

Now, if you are happier dying with your house then that's a choice you make.  Somewhat sad choice as I am sure you would be missed, but yours to make.

Most people I know would rather live, keep a few momento's and their loved ones and pay a builder to build them a new house and continue living.

BTW, my cousin in law is incredibly well respected in the fire community and like many other long term fire officers have had their eyes opened of late.  The hero days are gone, or at least on their way out.
I'm listening to you dazzler.  I would not be happy to die. And I seriously hope someone will miss me. (Sadly not many but I call it as I see it :-)) I truly believe the fires are getting worse and I am no hero. ( ask the people who know me), but our life revolves around our property and the animals it houses. I don't care about the house, shed and infatructure but I'll be dammed if I'll run away if I can help it. I'm not the only one in this area who feels this way and none of us will put anyone else in danger.
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« Reply #66 on: January 04, 2015, 06:35:30 PM »
 (Please don't question this statement.  I know what I am talking about). As you say fires, wind direction and speed cannot be predicted with any great accuracy but we on the ground who know the local topography have a better chance  at guessing it than the shiny arsed pencil pushers that have only read about it in the manual

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« Reply #67 on: January 04, 2015, 06:38:45 PM »
Problem is that someone might die trying to save you because you refused to leave. No matter what you say or think, that's their job and they will attempt to save you if the poo hits the fan.

Amazes me people in floods etc that refuse to go when told, then brave people need to rescue them, tying up sorely needed resources and putting themselves in danger.

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« Reply #68 on: January 04, 2015, 06:42:27 PM »
Mate if it hits the fan no one will come in
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« Reply #69 on: January 04, 2015, 06:51:33 PM »
And yes we have several fire plans depends on the day code red we will leave
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« Reply #70 on: January 04, 2015, 07:04:18 PM »
I won't refuse to leave as no-one will tell me that. It's not law in Victoria and seriously who is going to drive around a community in danger to warn everyone.That is not the cfa or vicpols job.  This was raised after black Saturday and was put in the too hard basket. Up until this year you could listen to the scanner so you knew what was happening in your area. The cfa have changed over to digital and 95% of the locals now don't know when the truck turns out. Authorities don't want to give you any information that you can act on cause they will get sued at the end of the Shitfight
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« Reply #71 on: January 04, 2015, 07:17:45 PM »
Wow, what happened to this thread...

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« Reply #72 on: January 04, 2015, 07:20:43 PM »
I do t get it ???
Could you live with a clear conscious if your wife was injured or worse trying to protect your property?
Are you seriously suggesting that the cops are putting lives at risk with roadblocks?
Fires, wind direction and speed cannot be predicted.   If the CFA or cops tell you to evacuate you should go rather than stay and put others lives at risk.

I would never ever even consider staying long enough to have to be told to leave.  I would be long gone.
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« Reply #74 on: January 04, 2015, 09:25:37 PM »
Im  now freshly moved into a high risk area in sa, and as a survivor of the 80 and 83 fires, im seriously contemplating a bunker. Whats ppls thoughts on bunkers, to all the appropriate current standards of course.
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