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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: fuji on June 28, 2014, 08:28:46 AM
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Thoughts anyone? Considering this spare fuel tank on top of the fourby rather than buying a long ranger.
The only problem I can see is filling it up, if it is on the roof.
Wayne
http://polydieseltanks.com.au/showtank.asp?tank=DUL200L&code=DUL0200LF045V1 (http://polydieseltanks.com.au/showtank.asp?tank=DUL200L&code=DUL0200LF045V1)
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I wouldn't be putting 200kg on roof mate, go the long ranger.
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Wayne, go the long ranger too much weight sitting on your roof
Swannie
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Fuji Great idea to have that much fuel on hand ,,,,, but ,,, Why ??? . Just where are you going that you need to carry that much fuel ??? lf its a $ thing while traveling can you afford to go in the 1st place . ???
The tank would possibly weigh about 30kg or so then the fuel , possible 200kg or so that's going to make you very top heavy & increase you wind drag even when its empty . With the 2 tanks you have that should give you a decent range :cheers:
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X2 re increased wind resistance and handling issues.
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I chose that one as it wasnt a bad shape, there is also the 100 litre version or 50 litre
http://polydieseltanks.com.au/showtank.asp?tank=DL100L&code=DUL0100LD040V1 (http://polydieseltanks.com.au/showtank.asp?tank=DL100L&code=DUL0100LD040V1)
http://polydieseltanks.com.au/polydieseltanks.asp?tank=DL50L (http://polydieseltanks.com.au/polydieseltanks.asp?tank=DL50L)
Saves me carrying three jerries on the camper
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Wayne, my brother uses one of them on the back of his ute to refuel his farm machines, they are great BUT far too heavy to put up on the roof
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I too would not want that much weight on the roof mate, but see the need for the ability to carry extra fuel.
Keep your eye on eBay/Gumtree etc, I found a long range tank for our 100 series for $225 ( holds 170l and takes our total to 260l ), at that price I could justify the money but at over the counter new prices I would never have bought one !!
Good luck,
Cheers
John K
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Wayne, my brother uses one of them on the back of his ute to refuel his farm machines, they are great BUT far too heavy to put up on the roof
Missed your last post was talking about the 200 liter unit, also check what baffles are in them I can't remember seeing any in them. I have a ninety liter tank in the back of my car and it slops around pretty bad when half full and it has three baffles in it
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Putting on the roof will cause a massive C of G problem. Your 4b will handle like an elephant on roller skates, dangerous.
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180 litre tank in a 120 diesel Prado used to get me 1600-1700km towing, with a nice low c of g. Never would I put 200 litres up on the roof. Good point about the baffles. If you've got you're heart set on carrying an extra 200 litres I'd try and put it somewhere else. Maybe go for the 50 -100 l and modify the ct so it can go on the drawbar instead of jerry cans?
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forget about the weight and capacity and COG issues for a minute..... at 565mm high it's gonna sit a long way above your vehicle for a start, get a tape measure out and stick it up above the roof of your vehicle to get an idea what i'm talking about. the wind drag issue aswell as the COG issue and then the weight of it all shows it's probaly not a great option IMHO. even if you were to fill it with only 60ltrs to help keep the weight down, the empty weight is nearly 40kgs...that's like having a couple of bags of concrete on your roofrack all the time and then you'll add another couple more up there when you add the 60 ltrs of fuel into it to be the same as 3 jerry cans (hence the COG comments people are talking about). personally i'd stick with carting 3 empty jerry cans and just fill them as you need them, you'd save money in the long run even it means paying a touch extra for the fuel as you buy it out wherever....quickly empty the jerry cans as soon as possible into the vehicle and you're left with minimal weight to carry after that.
a mate took something similar across the Simpson Desert when we crossed it a few years back, but he had a ute and it was a different shape to that and packed away perfectly in the back of his set up, not up high on a roof. I have a 180ltr longrange tank in the back of my cruiser....i certainly feel the differance straight away in handling characteristics of my vehicle when it gets filled for a big run somewhere, i'd hate to try and have that weight up high instead of down low in my vehicle
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forget about the weight and capacity and COG issues for a minute..... at 565mm high it's gonna sit a long way above your vehicle for a start, get a tape measure out and stick it up above the roof of your vehicle to get an idea what i'm talking about. the wind drag issue aswell as the COG issue and then the weight of it all shows it's probaly not a great option IMHO. even if you were to fill it with only 60ltrs to help keep the weight down, the empty weight is nearly 40kgs...that's like having a couple of bags of concrete on your roofrack all the time and then you'll add another couple more up there when you add the 60 ltrs of fuel into it to be the same as 3 jerry cans (hence the COG comments people are talking about). personally i'd stick with carting 3 empty jerry cans and just fill them as you need them, you'd save money in the long run even it means paying a touch extra for the fuel as you buy it out wherever....quickly empty the jerry cans as soon as possible into the vehicle and you're left with minimal weight to carry after that.
a mate took something similar across the Simpson Desert when we crossed it a few years back, but he had a ute and it was a different shape to that and packed away perfectly in the back of his set up, not up high on a roof. I have a 180ltr longrange tank in the back of my cruiser....i certainly feel the differance straight away in handling characteristics of my vehicle when it gets filled for a big run somewhere, i'd hate to try and have that weight up high instead of down low in my vehicle
Great response and 100 percent on the money.
Cheers
Disco teddy
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You wouldn't put 12 jerry cans of diesel on your roof would you ? ???
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How much fuel can you carry before you have to placard it ??? Then it becomes a different thing , find a :police: & ask him the question . they should know :cheers:
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Does anyone put something like this in their Campertrailer? If it was located above the axle in would be OK I guess ???
Just noticed they have ball baffles http://polydieseltanks.com.au/polydieseltanks.asp?tank=Cutaway-Ball-Baffles-in-Diesel-Tank (http://polydieseltanks.com.au/polydieseltanks.asp?tank=Cutaway-Ball-Baffles-in-Diesel-Tank) i wonder if they would fit in the smaller tanks?
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I just brought the 100L version..........it was for work to refill generators.
If you go down this track you just need a rectangle tank (low profile), no need for a pump, hose and nozzle as you can gravity feed. Way cheaper than what you was looking at.
I see plenty of rig getting around with three or more jerries on the roof rack. I would look at say a 60L tank.
On my last trip to Moreton I had a 70L tank up top for water which worked a treat. Although I only filled it on the way back to camp 7-10km max
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You wouldn't put 12 jerry cans of diesel on your roof would you ? ???
X2
Check your weight rating on roof racks, and on the roof itself.
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Thats why I was thinking of getting rid of the 4 jerry holders on the tow bar of the camper. I had Aussie Swag put them there for carrying extra diesel. Move the gas bottles to the outside and the spare tank in the middle. One tank vs 4 jerrys. I agree with the weight issues on top of the roof rack. :cheers:
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Saw a patrol with 8 Gerry cans across the back of his roof rack today here in Alice. :(
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My handling is spoilt by a RTT. God only knows what a sloshing 100+ kilos would do. Tried a spare up there once. What a pain. I may be different but I bought a camper so I didn't have to carry ****e on the roof. Can see where you are coming from though brother.
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Why does it need a pump? Gravity should be enough.
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Ok the real reason I hate stuff on the roof is because the sahara is too noisy with the sunroof open.... but the other reasons run a very close second :)
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X2
Check your weight rating on roof racks, and on the roof itself.
X2, also don't forget the GYM in your consideration. That's a lot of additional weight...
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100 litre tank with my wife's muscles are chicken feed. ;D
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Hen Peck,,, peck ,,,,,,, peck ,,,,, scratch ,,,,,,peck :angel: :angel:
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Go on, say it to her face lol
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Fuji
This guy on lcool has a long ranger for a 79 series for sale. Will that fit yours?
I have for sale on used TA-40T Long ranger branded 3rd tank for a 79 series ute. It is around 90 lt capacity. This goes in-between both tanks and has all mounting hardware/fuel lines etc. Not using anymore as I needed the space for an air tank. It came off a 2004 HZJ79 ute. I have the original instruction / installation manual. I have photos if anyone wants them just send me a message or email.
I can send the original manual if anyone wants to have a look where it mounts etc.
Located on the Gold Coast
Phone 0432793374
email jackson.baker@hotmail.com
Price $500
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Saw a patrol with 8 Gerry cans across the back of his roof rack today here in Alice. :(
Hmm 8 x 20 odd kg = 160kg's on the roof, ???
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Fuji
This guy on lcool has a long ranger for a 79 series for sale. Will that fit yours?
I have for sale on used TA-40T Long ranger branded 3rd tank for a 79 series ute. It is around 90 lt capacity. This goes in-between both tanks and has all mounting hardware/fuel lines etc. Not using anymore as I needed the space for an air tank. It came off a 2004 HZJ79 ute. I have the original instruction / installation manual. I have photos if anyone wants them just send me a message or email.
I can send the original manual if anyone wants to have a look where it mounts etc.
Located on the Gold Coast
Phone 0432793374
email jackson.baker@hotmail.com
Price $500
No, just had a look at their website and suitable for 75/79 series not 76. Thanks for the tip.
Wayne
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Hmm 8 x 20 odd kg = 160kg's on the roof, ???
And that was just the fuel across the back of the rack. Heaps of other stuff up there too.
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And that was just the fuel across the back of the rack. Heaps of other stuff up there too.
I'd hate to think what weight some carry up top.
A lot worry about what they tow or what they put in the back, I don't think they worry about what their roof system can carry or what the legal weight that is allowed on the roof rack/ gutters.
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The roof rack that was fitted to my rig when I brought it weighed 120kg...I didn't know the weight til four years later when I upgraded it. For my Simpson trip I estimated I had 220kg up top once I discovered how heavy the rack was.
A good percentage of rigs doing extended touring would be very close to there GVM or over GVM.
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The roof rack that was fitted to my rig when I brought it weighed 120kg...I didn't know the weight til four years later when I upgraded it. For my Simpson trip I estimated I had 220kg up top once I discovered how heavy the rack was.
A good percentage of rigs doing extended touring would be very close to there GVM or over GVM.
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Thats probably what I had on my rack when we went across the GRR. Gas bottles, spare tyre with wheel, wind deflector, RTT + bits and bobs. When we went to bed you added another 150kgs.
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I chose that one as it wasnt a bad shape, there is also the 100 litre version or 50 litre
http://polydieseltanks.com.au/showtank.asp?tank=DL100L&code=DUL0100LD040V1 (http://polydieseltanks.com.au/showtank.asp?tank=DL100L&code=DUL0100LD040V1)
http://polydieseltanks.com.au/polydieseltanks.asp?tank=DL50L (http://polydieseltanks.com.au/polydieseltanks.asp?tank=DL50L)
Saves me carrying three jerries on the camper
I think they are more designed for Utes at stations and stuff. While I' not so concerned about the weight I like the fact my long range is tucked up nicely under the car.
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I think they are more designed for Utes at stations and stuff. While I' not so concerned about the weight I like the fact my long range is tucked up nicely under the car.
Can't argue with that. But Steve you do alot of travel where as I don't. Lucky to do a big trip once every two years. Last year was Darwin and this year is Europe and next year maybe The Gulf and GRR. So every two years.
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Most fourbies are only rated to 100kg on the roof. It's ironic, when some of the steel roof racks are 70 odd kilos. I wouldn't ever put more than 100kg on the roof - especially when its in a tank and can slosh from side to side. Seriously dangerous stuff. Get an under body one, for sure
Aaron
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I was thinking of putting a tank on the roof but was convinced that an alloy rack and jerry cans was a better alternative because
1. They wont slosh
2. They are cheaper
I like the 10lt ones as they are much lighter and have a lower profile (unless you can lie the 20 lt ones flat)
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Hey Wayne,
Gotta agree, not on the roof.
How about this - http://www.lcool.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=35055&highlight= (http://www.lcool.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=35055&highlight=)
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I don't really see the problem of putting it on the roof provided you have a roof rated ok. Having said that, I'd probably suggest a couple of jerries inside a jerry can holder up there instead. Would 40L be enough? Could go to 3 without too much drama or overloading.
100 series cruisers (and 200?) are rated for 200kg up there. I've regularly had 100+ up there without drama - but well spread and well secured. Anyone with a full steel rack and some gear is probably at 100+.