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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: prodigyrf on January 03, 2014, 07:08:14 PM
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http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/brisbane-motorist-fined-for-leaving-car-window-slightly-down-on-hot-day/story-fni6uok5-1226794209063 (http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/brisbane-motorist-fined-for-leaving-car-window-slightly-down-on-hot-day/story-fni6uok5-1226794209063)
Ho hum another day another heinous villain bites the dust :police:
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FFS if I see this link posted one more time today I am going to kick a furry animal >:D
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Here ya go!
:cheers:
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Oh how tempted I am at the moment D4D :) ;)
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Wouldn't mind betting the copper involved was ticked off for not having his pinches up and decided stuff management and I'll show em and get joe public up in arms at the same time. Coppers do talk among themselves about some of the quirky laws and regs on the books and maybe they decided to see who could come up with the most bizarre pinch.
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Wouldn't mind betting the copper involved was ticked off for not having his pinches up and decided stuff management and I'll show em and get joe public up in arms at the same time. Coppers do talk among themselves about some of the quirky laws and regs on the books and maybe they decided to see who could come up with the most bizarre pinch.
Really? And you know this how?
Do you honestly believe this sensationalised news report told the whole story? Or was it just a slow news day and they needed something to keep the readers interested.
As I said in another thread last week, without conspiracy theories and those who invent them and/or promote them, half of the members on this forum would have nothing to post about.
KB
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As I said above, there's always more to the story than what first appears.
BRISBANE COURIER MAIL SATURDAY 4 JANUARY 2014
POLICE Commissioner Ian Stewart is making no apologies for slapping motorists with fines for leaving their car windows down, saying his officers are preventing crime and saving resources.
Mr Stewart says an officer who issued a Brisbane father with a $44 ticket did a "good job'' and the motorist got off lightly after also parking illegally on the footpath on the wrong side of the road.
"The law was put in place for a simple reason. It was to stop people breaking into cars stealing things and from stealing the car,'' Mr Stewart said.
"That's exactly what our officer was doing, within the law and with discretion. He was simply doing his job.''
Mr Harris said he was visiting family on Sunday when he decided to leave two windows down "three to four" centimetres to let hot air escape from the car on a 34C day.
Under Queensland law, vehicles must be "secured" with the engine off, hand brake applied, ignition key removed and windows up with a gap no more than 5cm.
Mr Stewart said the officer checked five vehicles - issuing warnings in three cases when he could locate the owners and fines in the two other cases.
"I would back the judgement of my officer,'' Mr Stewart said.
"The officer was acting on an intelligence brief in that area that there had been a number of thefts from motor vehicles and unlawful uses".
"The vehicle actually commits three very obvious offences. One is that it is parked on the incorrect side of the road. The second is that it's parked on the footpath. And the third that it doesn't obey the law in relation to the window being open.
"The officer didn't give them three tickets. The officer simply gave this car a ticket for the matter he was doing his job for, which was to try and drop the number of unlawful entries into cars."
"The officer acted quite appropriately and within the law. I would hope that the public would recognise that the officer did use discretion."
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As KB has shown. Always two sides to the story.
Parked on wrong side of the road, on the footpath and windows open.
$44 = bargain
Obviously the Policeman felt sorry for the bloke and decided to give him the cheapest infringement fine out of he three.
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So he got fined for having his window down and not for parking illegally on the footpath and on the wrong side of the road,, well at least they have there priorities in hand , lmfao jeeeesh, loved how he justified that
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loved how he justified that
Pretty easy actually:
"The officer was acting on an intelligence brief in that area that there had been a number of thefts from motor vehicles and unlawful uses".
KB
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Would he have preferred the $110 (or similar) for parking on the footpath or wrong side of the road?
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About 10 yrs ago I routinely worked the 6p-2a Fri/Sat shift solely doing traffic work. Mostly young fellas being silly. Normally you would get them for two or three things like a speed plus a red light or a speed and no p plates or a burnout and then a speed.
We would book them for one and caution for the other but as a bit of a game would let them decide which they got. Happy for them to chat with their mates and decide but wouldnt tell them the $$ figures.
This was a bit of a game. You got caught being silly and its gunna cost a few $$ to learn but it can be a bit of fun - given the circumstances.
Ended up with a formal complaint for dereliction of duty. So that DH spoilt it for the rest of them. No more fun police. Here are your fines. Have a safe day.
Most Motorists are sucks. If you let them off you were the greatest cop in history and they would just about let you sleep with their sister. You're a "top bloke mate".
Book them and you were 'insert expletive here'.
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Pretty easy actually:
"The officer was acting on an intelligence brief in that area that there had been a number of thefts from motor vehicles and unlawful uses".
KB
so public safety (illegally parked on footpath on opposite side of the road) personally I would have thought public saftety first followed by worrying about getting ya gps-car nicked second, interesting interpretation if intelligence , wonder if this would have outcome if someone was injured while trying to get around the illegally parked car
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It's a pity that the police couldn't spend more of their hours chasing miscreants down rather than writing frivolous warnings and fines, but I guess that activity is difficult and revenue negative. Many members of the constabulary and their superiors show little interest in activities that create work, like property crime or antisocial behavior, but seem to have a keen interest in those that generate favourable "crime stats" and revenue with minimal work: look, we caught all these drivers who did not stop for the required three seconds at the stop sign, or didn't put on their seatbelt to move their car from second in line to the next available fuel bowser on the servo forecourt! (a big "attaboy, way to go!" to the hard working and productive police in Toowoomba QLD) :cheers:
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I am sorry but it doesn't matter how the QLD police try to to swing this its nothing more then a cluster **** why not have some caution notices printed up that they can stick through the window etc what ever happened to being for the community, they wonder why they have lost respect of many of the public.
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I am sorry but it doesn't matter how the QLD police try to to swing this its nothing more then a cluster **** why not have some caution notices printed up that they can stick through the window etc what ever happened to being for the community, they wonder why they have lost respect of many of the public.
Now your getting confused it's the judges in a Qld who give everyone a warning. The police rest no chrge and the judges say it's not fair he didn't mean any harm
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This is probably why they have a no bullsh!t attitude...
Qld cop dragged 200m by car
http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/qld-cop-dragged-200m-by-car/story-e6frfku9-1226794844664 (http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/qld-cop-dragged-200m-by-car/story-e6frfku9-1226794844664)
A police officer is recovering after being dragged 200 metres along a road by a car in central Townsville.
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This is probably why they have a no bullsh!t attitude...
Qld cop dragged 200m by car
http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/qld-cop-dragged-200m-by-car/story-e6frfku9-1226794844664 (http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/qld-cop-dragged-200m-by-car/story-e6frfku9-1226794844664)
A police officer is recovering after being dragged 200 metres along a road by a car in central Townsville.
This poor copper is in hospital after being dragged 200 meters by this scumbag 23 year old. I wonder what what minor sentence the judge will hand down.
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This is probably why they have a no bullsh!t attitude...
Qld cop dragged 200m by car
http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/qld-cop-dragged-200m-by-car/story-e6frfku9-1226794844664 (http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/qld-cop-dragged-200m-by-car/story-e6frfku9-1226794844664)
A police officer is recovering after being dragged 200 metres along a road by a car in central Townsville.
these are 2 incidents at completely different ends of the scale...that 23 yr old needs the book thrown at him, and deserves whatever he gets or hopefully got from the cops that arrested him IMHO.
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It's a pity that the police couldn't spend more of their hours chasing miscreants down rather than writing frivolous warnings and fines, but I guess that activity is difficult and revenue negative. Many members of the constabulary and their superiors show little interest in activities that create work, like property crime or antisocial behavior, but seem to have a keen interest in those that generate favourable "crime stats" and revenue with minimal work: look, we caught all these drivers who did not stop for the required three seconds at the stop sign, or didn't put on their seatbelt to move their car from second in line to the next available fuel bowser on the servo forecourt! (a big "attaboy, way to go!" to the hard working and productive police in Toowoomba QLD) :cheers:
Just remembered why I steer clear of the general discussion threads. General ignorance is more like it.
You have to STOP before the line at a stop sign. No 3 seconds, simply stop.
The forecourt of service station is private property, unless it is a named road or road related area. The purpose once you are in there is not for use as a road but for business.
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Just remembered why I steer clear of the general discussion threads. General ignorance is more like it.
You have to STOP before the line at a stop sign. No 3 seconds, simply stop.
The forecourt of service station is private property, unless it is a named road or road related area. The purpose once you are in there is not for use as a road but for business.
According to the issuing orifices:
Three seconds is the time determined to allow a driver to recognize an impending threat and servo forecourt is public access and therefore you are required to be belted in a vehicle moving forward.
I agree with you, but I guess they work on the principle that most will not go to court over the ticket. It's abuse of power and the law, but these fine gentlemen are staking out service stations and stop signs in unmarked cars (so deterrence is NOT their aim) and issuing infringements.
It's hypocrisy to stand up and cry hard done by when this sort of behavior continues.
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Again today, this is probably why they have a no bullsh!t attitude...
Six injured in explosion at Melbourne flat
http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/officers-critical-after-melbourne-blast/story-e6frfku9-1226795101450 (http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/officers-critical-after-melbourne-blast/story-e6frfku9-1226795101450)
As firefighters and police entered the second-floor flat there was a large explosion.
Three police officers were seriously injured and were taken to The Alfred Hospital.
Two female officers, including one suffering burns to 90 per cent of her body, remain in a critical but stable condition.
A male officer is in a serious but stable condition.
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Again today, this is probably why they have a no bullsh!t attitude...
Your right there.. they'll have an extra 60 speed cameras out today
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As I said above, there's always more to the story than what first appears.
"The officer acted quite appropriately and within the law. I would hope that the public would recognise that the officer did use discretion."
I agree the copper did his duty without fear or favour and that's to apply the Law as it stands. However this window law is an anachronous and typical nanny-state law among so many others.
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I agree the copper did his duty without fear or favour and that's to apply the Law as it stands. However this window law is an anachronous and typical nanny-state law among so many others.
Agree. If the purpose is theft deterrent, then you're just punishing the victims, or possible victims by fining for windows down slightly. I should be able to leave my windows down, doors unlocked etc and be safe from theft, and/or safe from constable Bloggs' fines.
Much like girls should be able to walk down the street at night safe - same thing. Should we hand out fines to women for placing themselves in positions or places where they MIGHT be attacked or that have a recent history of such attacks?
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WTF? Only one ticket? I would have given him all three. Suck it up Princess!
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Agree. If the purpose is theft deterrent, then you're just punishing the victims, or possible victims by fining for windows down slightly. I should be able to leave my windows down, doors unlocked etc and be safe from theft, and/or safe from constable Bloggs' fines.
Much like girls should be able to walk down the street at night safe - same thing. Should we hand out fines to women for placing themselves in positions or places where they MIGHT be attacked or that have a recent history of such attacks?
Or not locking up letter boxes, ohhh the scenarios endless , lets all leave ours car locked up in the garages for a month and see if our insurance premiums go down ;D
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Personally I'd have busted Mr Harris for the parking infringements.
It's the height of ignorance and laziness to think that it's OK to park a car pointing the wrong way on any street.
what a dickhead.
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Or not locking up letter boxes, ohhh the scenarios endless , lets all leave ours car locked up in the garages for a month and see if our insurance premiums go down ;D
Oh. My. God.
My letterbox isn't locked! Spose it would be my own fault if some bills got stolen. Best write me a ticket to teach me a lesson...
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My letterbox isn't locked! Spose it would be my own fault if some bills got stolen. Best write me a ticket to teach me a lesson...
That's the least of your worries, the identity thief has already got a shiny new credit card and a personal loan in your name from your unlocked letterbox that will teach you a lesson.
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Lets not forget people.
The laws are made for the people, by the people.
We don't make them, we only enforce them.
If you don't like a law or regulation write to your local member and see how you go.
Coppers do get sick of investigating volume crime like Theft From Motor Vehicles where windows and doors left open, with a purse, handbag, laptop or GPS in plain view for the next ICE junkie that comes along.
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Police are PAID BY TAX DOLLARS,
I for one like the idea that they are doing what they are paid for.
I bet that the cost of dealing with minor vehicle thefts from people just like that guy is probably 1/2 million a year of tax payers dollars and means police are tied up taking statements and all the paperwork.
that guy is probably hating on the world right now, but I am pretty sure if he got back to his illegally parked car and noticed something gone he would have gone to the police asked them to fingerprint his car blah blah blah and the cost to me as a tax payer would be huge. Let alone his insurance claim driving my premiums up.
So I vote for cost minimisation in relation to these matters ..he pays a fine for being stupid and leaving his car unlocked and insecure or better it would be good if he signs a wavier that he wont burn up my tax dollars asking the police to spend resources and my money investigating any thefts from his car. ( but that's not an option)
Lock ya car you moron, he paid $44 saved all of us paying $5000 investigating the theft of his .... from his car.
My 2c
Jet ;D ;D ;D
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The Bloke got off lightly. Nothing worse than an unwarranted "poor me I got screwed over" attitude. He's probably the Cousin of the Bloke that tried to pay his Parking fine in 5c pieces.
didn't put on their seatbelt to move their car from second in line to the next available fuel bowser on the servo forecourt!
Shouldn't the seatbelt still be on after pulling into the Servo from a road? ???
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Lock ya car you moron, he paid $44 saved all of us paying $5000 investigating the theft of his .... from his car.
So it's better if the thief breaks a window or jemmies the door lock is it? What's wrong with a completely empty unlocked car with the windows down, given they have engine immobilisers nowadays?
Had my ute window broken one rainy night in a breakin spree across many suburbs and it was parked in my carport. The daughter's car parked in the street had her door lock busted and an unsuccessful attempt to steal it by ram-raiders (cops actually dusted for fingrprints, took polaroid photos and took a dropped rag away for dna testing would you believe) After that I leave my ute doors unlocked as having to clean up the glass and waiting 8 hours for a replacement due to the demand I also lost a day's work. Great nanny law that is.
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The shorter public circus nannystaters- Leave your iphone, handbag or laptop on the seat with your car locked and windows down 4.9cm and you're one of them. Leave an empty car locked with the windows down 5.1cm and you're nicked :police:
Yeah I know I shouldn't encourage them once they've bedded down their latest and greatest window cms law, the intray is empty and they're looking a bit surplus to requirements again.
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So it's better if the thief breaks a window or jemmies the door lock is it? What's wrong with a completely empty unlocked car with the windows down, given they have engine immobilisers nowadays?
Had my ute window broken one rainy night in a breakin spree across many suburbs and it was parked in my carport. The daughter's car parked in the street had her door lock busted and an unsuccessful attempt to steal it by ram-raiders (cops actually dusted for fingrprints, took polaroid photos and took a dropped rag away for dna testing would you believe) After that I leave my ute doors unlocked as having to clean up the glass and waiting 8 hours for a replacement due to the demand I also lost a day's work. Great nanny law that is.
I got my door lock busted and 5c pieces of change stolen from the centre console, at Roma st station car park, while I was at work.
Keep in mind it's directly opposite police headquarters - so I called police at about 5pm. They said they would be out when they could. 2 and half hours later, I'm still sitting there. Call back and told they still don't know when they can make it.
Had never had a break in, so I thought I needed police to attend, if only for insurance purposes. After 3 hrs, I call back and they advise me to go home and bring car in to cop shop next day, if I wanted...
I didn't bother. Found out lock replacement was less than insurance excess, so rather than waste a day off work I just drove it around with a busted lock the next few days, and made sure it was empty of valuables.
Cost me $300 I recall. And they got less than $5 in 5c pieces from the console. If my door was unlocked, they would simply have taken the money, and moved on without damage. Either way, they were getting in.
Side note - massively disappointed in cops response. Couldn't care less attitude.
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Side note - massively disappointed in cops response. Couldn't care less attitude.
Did you speak to a Police Officer? Most calls are answered by non police. I can see why you felt like you did. But just because you are parked across from a station does not mean you will jump the call list. Jobs are assigned on a priority bases. Imagine if you are being threatened by an armed person and you are waiting for the police and when they turn up way too late they tell you they were investigation where some property was stolen out of a car. You will be very upset. But you should voice your complaint in writing to the service. Attitude is very difficult in call centre operations; it is difficult to be helpful when receiving so many calls and often getting abused from callers. Not that that is an excuse. If you are a victim your call is extremely important. The call centre operator probably should have told you that police will not be attending, or that they could be several hours, which is getting more the norm nowadays. Just a simple fact, too much crime, not enough police. But being a victim just sucks and you should be upset. Kevin
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I have to say that I agree with the cop for booking regarding the window. As far as "public safety" because the car was parked on the wrong side of the road, and on the footpath, at least it was parked. An ounce of prevention etc....
A stolen car is likely to be moving fast to avoid police and more likely to cause serious injury to the public.
I got a parking fine the other day, the Police almost fell over when I didn't argue but said I was an idiot for not reading the sign properly. Could the Police have been doing something else, maybe. Is that a justification for me ranting about them wasting their time booking me for parking when they could have been ...... no way.
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I drove 700 kms yesterday and blow me down, the damn coppers were everywhere......
It pees me right off.....
Haven't they got anything better to do than stop speeding, drunk, unlicensed drivers with no rego or insurance?
It was ridiculous........I had to drive the whole way in safety because of them.
Took the fun right out of it. No risk of dying and not making it home safely to my family, because these blokes want to do there job........
How dare they.....
I did however manage to escape several speeding fines.
It was really easy. All I did was not speed. Can't work out why other people don't try it?
I did the other day, stop deliberately in a no stopping zone.
I parked back about 50 metres from a crash hoping to use my car as a shield between the traffic and the accident.
Dopey constable then pitches up and uses his car with flashing lights to do the same.
Thanks me for being sensible, then suggests I move it so my car is safe from rubberneckers.
He then told me that it's great having the number scanners as he can catch more morons endangering motorists.
How rude.... Trying to save lives and keep dangerous people off the road.
I reckon the bloke who got the ticket got off easy....
Just do the right thing and it's not a problem.
Cops are only enforcing the rules we keep breaking.
Here's a thought. If you want to get back at the cops, don't break the rules and make their lives really boring.
That'll fix em!!!!!
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LOL Briann
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I did the other day, stop deliberately in a no stopping zone.
I parked back about 50 metres from a crash hoping to use my car as a shield between the traffic and the accident.
Dopey constable then pitches up and uses his car with flashing lights to do the same.
Thanks me for being sensible, then suggests I move it so my car is safe from rubberneckers.
He then told me that it's great having the number scanners as he can catch more morons endangering motorists.
How rude.... Trying to save lives and keep dangerous people off the road.
I reckon the bloke who got the ticket got off easy....
Just do the right thing and it's not a problem.
Cops are only enforcing the rules we keep breaking.
Here's a thought. If you want to get back at the cops, don't break the rules and make their lives really boring.
That'll fix em!!!!!
so you deliberately broke the law, placed yourself in danger, and that of other road users. there are no excuses for breaking a law, according to our friendly police force.
if the copper had given you a ticket, which he probably should have, you would be the first one whinging all over town. but you got let off, as he used his discretion.
you got lucky. had someone hit your vehicle, you would have been charged, and sued no doubt, and/or injured to boot. you say not to break the rules, yet you just admit to breaking the rules in the same comment!
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so you deliberately broke the law, placed yourself in danger, and that of other road users. there are no excuses for breaking a law, according to our friendly police force.
if the copper had given you a ticket, which he probably should have, you would be the first one whinging all over town. but you got let off, as he used his discretion.
you got lucky. had someone hit your vehicle, you would have been charged, and sued no doubt, and/or injured to boot. you say not to break the rules, yet you just admit to breaking the rules in the same comment!
Infact no standing etc.. apply in non-emergency situations. I believe in the circumstances mentioned that would constitute an emergency, therefore the issuing of a ticket would not have been appropriate.
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Did you speak to a Police Officer? Most calls are answered by non police. I can see why you felt like you did. But just because you are parked across from a station does not mean you will jump the call list. Jobs are assigned on a priority bases. Imagine if you are being threatened by an armed person and you are waiting for the police and when they turn up way too late they tell you they were investigation where some property was stolen out of a car. You will be very upset. But you should voice your complaint in writing to the service. Attitude is very difficult in call centre operations; it is difficult to be helpful when receiving so many calls and often getting abused from callers. Not that that is an excuse. If you are a victim your call is extremely important. The call centre operator probably should have told you that police will not be attending, or that they could be several hours, which is getting more the norm nowadays. Just a simple fact, too much crime, not enough police. But being a victim just sucks and you should be upset. Kevin
I rang the branch direct and spoke to the person on front desk duty - could have been a civvy I guess. no one expects them to drop urgent calls and rush out to such a small incident like mine. but it was amusing that it was Qld police headquarters, and accounting for time to stop and push the pedestrian walk button, would have taken 5 minutes to walk to me to document the situation.
my point was with respect to the supposed costs and time of attending property thefts being the reason for deterrent fines - ironic that they didn't turn up and couldn't tell me how long until someone might turn up, and didn't seem to really care.
I guess it is such a small incident the paperwork etc would have been a real pain to follow through with nearly zero chance of catching the slime bag that did the crime.
as a result, my theft and damage was never recorded or investigated - wonder how many others are like this?
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so you deliberately broke the law, placed yourself in danger, and that of other road users. there are no excuses for breaking a law, according to our friendly police force.
if the copper had given you a ticket, which he probably should have, you would be the first one whinging all over town. but you got let off, as he used his discretion.
you got lucky. had someone hit your vehicle, you would have been charged, and sued no doubt, and/or injured to boot. you say not to break the rules, yet you just admit to breaking the rules in the same comment!
Ahh another general ignorance post.
Section 165 of the Australian Road Rules provides an exemption for parking anywhere anytime under certain conditions.
Please know what you are talking about before rubbishing someone. Its simple - Austlii will tell you everything you need to know.
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Ahh another general ignorance post.
Section 165 of the Australian Road Rules provides an exemption for parking anywhere anytime under certain conditions.
Please know what you are talking about before rubbishing someone. Its simple - Austlii will tell you everything you need to know.
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Well said, a lot of aimless generalising by people with little or no knowledge of the legislation.
Cheers
Disco teddy
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I rang the branch direct and spoke to the person on front desk duty - could have been a civvy I guess. no one expects them to drop urgent calls and rush out to such a small incident like mine. but it was amusing that it was Qld police headquarters, and accounting for time to stop and push the pedestrian walk button, would have taken 5 minutes to walk to me to document the situation.
my point was with respect to the supposed costs and time of attending property thefts being the reason for deterrent fines - ironic that they didn't turn up and couldn't tell me how long until someone might turn up, and didn't seem to really care.
I guess it is such a small incident the paperwork etc would have been a real pain to follow through with nearly zero chance of catching the slime bag that did the crime.
as a result, my theft and damage was never recorded or investigated - wonder how many others are like this?
I am a bit confused. What do you mean by branch? Traffic branch, CIB branch? 131444 is the PoliceLink number and maybe you should ring that number and have your complaint recorded and explain what happened and how bad you were dealt with when you rang the ‘branch’. Maybe it is not right, but police services have had to prioritise their resources and minor crime, I know it was not minor to you and rightly so, are unable to be investigated on a case by case basis. You can also go to the Qld Police web site and complete a complaint there about how you were handled. It is your right to complain, so exercise your right. Kevin
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Dazz and Disco;
you both are correctly quoting the law, and I suspect most people here are familiar with the laws generally. What I think that most here are upset about (my opinion only I guess) is how the police seem to either selectively or incorrectly apply the law to the public (eg booking you on a servo forecourt: and yes maybe you should just leave your belt on until at the pump: but that's not the LAW; so are our police ignorant of it or unlawfully applying it?) or bend it to their own advantage. I have lost count of the times I have slowed for an amber light only to have a police vehicle suddenly turn on the xmas tree, blast through the red, then immediately turn the lights off again; is there an emergency or not? If any of them ever clean up another vehicle I will be star witness for the victim. Just last week I was being tailgated by a paddy wagon only about 2kms from the police HQ. Suddenly the lights and siren come on, I pull over, they roar past and less than 1km down the road the lights etc are turned off as the vehicle cruises into the police carpark. WTF? Yes they have a crappy job and cop flack (much of it undeserved, some richly deserved), but if you want respect ya gotta earn it by being clean and consistent (and applying a little CDF).
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If my door was unlocked, they would simply have taken the money, and moved on without damage. Either way, they were getting in.
Don't bet on it.
Had one car broken into a while ago. Super intelligent crim breaks rear passenger side glass, unlocks door with bleeding hand. Climbs across back seat and unlocks DS rear door. Unlocks DS front door, exits vehicle, re-enters through DS front. ???
He then proceeds to attempt to "hot wire" the car with the dash light dimmer wires. :-\
Must have thought it was a fully hektic ride like his mates cars with chopped rear springs that sit 3" lower in the rear than the front. It wasn't fully hektic, it had no engine in it. ::)
They can open an unlocked glove box or centre console. But they don't. The rip the ****ing lids off them. They tear service books up, scatter Shit every where. Why ???
The same glove box that they just ripped out, had a yellow button in there. Push it and the boot opens. Not hard...... But no, it's more fun to use a pinch bar or tyre lever and destroy the boot and beaver panel in the process. >:(
They are scum. They will destroy Shit just because they can.
Shane.
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Ahh another general ignorance post.
Section 165 of the Australian Road Rules provides an exemption for parking anywhere anytime under certain conditions.
Please know what you are talking about before rubbishing someone. Its simple - Austlii will tell you everything you need to know.
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Speaking of ignorance, the road rules are governed by States and Territories. Haven't seen a copy of the 'Australian road rules'.
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I am a bit confused. What do you mean by branch? Traffic branch, CIB branch? 131444 is the PoliceLink number and maybe you should ring that number and have your complaint recorded and explain what happened and how bad you were dealt with when you rang the ‘branch’. Maybe it is not right, but police services have had to prioritise their resources and minor crime, I know it was not minor to you and rightly so, are unable to be investigated on a case by case basis. You can also go to the Qld Police web site and complete a complaint there about how you were handled. It is your right to complain, so exercise your right. Kevin
the actual building where people work.
About 14 YEARS ago when this actually happened, I actually rang the building using a number provided, i would assume, prior to the 13 number introduction. No need to flame me. Who really cares who I spoke to? I spoke to the police force, and as they never directed me to call this or that number, I must have found the right 'branch' to speak to.
And I'm not complaining, nor have I felt the need. This is being relayed as general banter in relation to a story about a guy who was fined for not locking up.
The irony is that the cops can fine you for this as a deterrent to attend to more property crimes, but in my story, I did all the right things but couldn't get one to attend. Again, this was years and years ago. Sorry I don't know all the cop lingo about branches - for me, a branch is a building of a large organisation.
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Speaking of ignorance, the road rules are governed by States and Territories. Haven't seen a copy of the 'Australian road rules'.
You try Austlii like I suggested and it would answer your question.
The Australian Road Rules were brought in to ensure uniformity across jurisdictions. For example, if you go to NSW you will see they have the road rules 2008 (NSW) and if you click on Reg 3 you will see that the objects of the rules are;
"To consolidate in a single instrument the road rules that are applicable in NSW and to provide for road rules that are based on the ARR" etc.
Austlii search Road Rules 2008 (NSW) and click on 165 and bingo, there is stopping in an emergency.
You can do the same with Tasmania at tranpsort.tas.gov.au/licenceinformation and you will see the same.
You may get booked under section X of the Motor Traffic Act 19XX but in that Act will be a reference to the ARR's. Most states have adopted the RR's.
All states and territories agreed to incorporate the RR into their legislation but maintained the ability to add laws relevant to their jurisdiction. IE Hook turns in Victoria.
Its sunny in queensland this time of year so lets go for a little trip up there and see what they have. Ooh look Marge, Transport Operations (Road Use Management - Road Rule) Regulation and guess what - Royal Ascent in 2009.
With legislation you go to the object of the act normally at '3' in the title page. Lets see what queensland says;
"The object of this regulation is to provide road rules in Queensland that are substantially uniform with road rules elsewhere in Australia".
Lets go to section 165 - Wow - "Stopping in an emergency etc to comply with another provision of this part if;"
And amazingly at 165 'c' it mentions "to deal with a medical or OTHER emergency".
We were talking about Queensland here weren't we?
Shall we keep playing the ignorance game?
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You try Austlii like I suggested and it would answer your question.
The Australian Road Rules were brought in to ensure uniformity across jurisdictions. For example, if you go to NSW you will see they have the road rules 2008 (NSW) and if you click on Reg 3 you will see that the objects of the rules are;
"To consolidate in a single instrument the road rules that are applicable in NSW and to provide for road rules that are based on the ARR" etc.
Austlii search Road Rules 2008 (NSW) and click on 165 and bingo, there is stopping in an emergency.
You can do the same with Tasmania at tranpsort.tas.gov.au/licenceinformation and you will see the same.
You may get booked under section X of the Motor Traffic Act 19XX but in that Act will be a reference to the ARR's. Most states have adopted the RR's.
All states and territories agreed to incorporate the RR into their legislation but maintained the ability to add laws relevant to their jurisdiction. IE Hook turns in Victoria.
Its sunny in queensland this time of year so lets go for a little trip up there and see what they have. Ooh look Marge, Transport Operations (Road Use Management - Road Rule) Regulation and guess what - Royal Ascent in 2009.
With legislation you go to the object of the act normally at '3' in the title page. Lets see what queensland says;
"The object of this regulation is to provide road rules in Queensland that are substantially uniform with road rules elsewhere in Australia".
Lets go to section 165 - Wow - "Stopping in an emergency etc to comply with another provision of this part if;"
And amazingly at 165 'c' it mentions "to deal with a medical or OTHER emergency".
We were talking about Queensland here weren't we?
Shall we keep playing the ignorance game?
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And That's The End Of That Chapter (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rwda_u3Y0QQ#ws)
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Speaking of ignorance, the road rules are governed by States and Territories. Haven't seen a copy of the 'Australian road rules'.
Sorry Mik01 Dazzler beat me too it, no ignorance on his behalf the AUstralian Road Rules have been around for some time, me thinks you need to research your topic :police:
Cheers,
Disco teddy
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Dazz and Disco;
you both are correctly quoting the law, and I suspect most people here are familiar with the laws generally. What I think that most here are upset about (my opinion only I guess) is how the police seem to either selectively or incorrectly apply the law to the public (eg booking you on a servo forecourt: and yes maybe you should just leave your belt on until at the pump: but that's not the LAW; so are our police ignorant of it or unlawfully applying it?) or bend it to their own advantage. I have lost count of the times I have slowed for an amber light only to have a police vehicle suddenly turn on the xmas tree, blast through the red, then immediately turn the lights off again; is there an emergency or not? If any of them ever clean up another vehicle I will be star witness for the victim. Just last week I was being tailgated by a paddy wagon only about 2kms from the police HQ. Suddenly the lights and siren come on, I pull over, they roar past and less than 1km down the road the lights etc are turned off as the vehicle cruises into the police carpark. WTF? Yes they have a crappy job and cop flack (much of it undeserved, some richly deserved), but if you want respect ya gotta earn it by being clean and consistent (and applying a little CDF).
Cheers t303,
Mate we'll have to disagree, I don't think it's a fair call say that most here are upset with police, certainly not pertaining to the issued TIN this post relates too.
Mate the use of police lights and sirens (warning devices) are governed by internal driving policy which differs state by state, it also exempts police from the Australian Road Rules when required, gotta love Regina! Whilst it appears on the surface that police may use theses devices unjustly, and a small element may, motorists need to understand that police are often reacting to matters broadcast over digital means. Depending on the type of incident it may not require a full "urgent duty" response under constant warning devices, which are often used at points of traffic congestion to aid in expediting a response. I would imagine most here are grateful if any emergency services vehicle can use these devices to achieve a quicker attendance time when a victim requires it. I thinks it's unfair to judge anyone driving one of these vehicles when you are unaware of what they are responding to.
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Disco teddy
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Again, this was years and years ago.
I was only trying to help, I did not realise this happened a long time ago. I think we all have stories about something happening at one time in our life that did not seem right. Just don't judge all because of this, there are a lot of good hard working police out there, even if they are limited by higher authorities. Hope you do not become a victim again, I know what it is like and it stinks, car broken into, then my house even my wife’s car stolen from outside a hospital where she was working trying to help people. Kevin
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Here ya go!
Don't kick poor Old BHG 8)
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so you deliberately broke the law, placed yourself in danger, and that of other road users. there are no excuses for breaking a law, according to our friendly police force.
if the copper had given you a ticket, which he probably should have, you would be the first one whinging all over town. but you got let off, as he used his discretion.
you got lucky. had someone hit your vehicle, you would have been charged, and sued no doubt, and/or injured to boot. you say not to break the rules, yet you just admit to breaking the rules in the same comment!
Yes.....but I would still be alive.
My choice. Perhaps you would park properly and risk being hit. Your choice.
Whole point of my comment was situation and discretion.
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There are some rippers here
The ten road rules you never knew you were breaking
http://www.news.com.au/technology/design/the-ten-road-rules-you-never-knew-you-were-breaking/story-fnjwucvh-1226796995159 (http://www.news.com.au/technology/design/the-ten-road-rules-you-never-knew-you-were-breaking/story-fnjwucvh-1226796995159)
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... its for his own good.. must be awesome to be a Qld cop, easy as piss to get ya quota!!!!
A Queensland motorcyclist has been fined for stretching while riding on the Logan Motorway on Monday.
Jake Sloman was pulled over by police after stretching his leg and issued with a $146 infringement notice for failing to keep both feet on the footrest.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/qld/a/20650197/motorcyclist-fined-for-stretching/ (http://au.news.yahoo.com/qld/a/20650197/motorcyclist-fined-for-stretching/)
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Speaking of ignorance, the road rules are governed by States and Territories. Haven't seen a copy of the 'Australian road rules'.
Check this link http://www.ntc.gov.au/viewpage.aspx?documentid=00794 (http://www.ntc.gov.au/viewpage.aspx?documentid=00794)
Download 2012 document here http://www.ntc.gov.au/filemedia/Reports/ARRFeb12.pdf (http://www.ntc.gov.au/filemedia/Reports/ARRFeb12.pdf)
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7 cops for 1 motorcyclist... LMAO!
Queensland Police Harrassment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TMOiMopMCU#)
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Notice this from NT website and typical for all States-
Process for amending the Australian Road Rules
Step 1
•A change to the Rules is proposed
Step 2
•The NTC seeks advice from the Maintenance Group about the proposal
Step 3
•If there appears to be enough support for the proposal, it is drafted as a proposed amendment to the Rules.
•A draft Regulatory Impact Statement is usually prepared to examine the pros and cons of the proposed amendment
Step 4
•The draft amendment, together with the Regulatory Impact Statement (if any), is put out for public comment
Step 5
•Comments on the draft amendment are considered
Step 6
•If there is sufficient support for the amendment, it is put to the Standing Council of Transport and Infrastructure (SCOTI) for final approval.
Step 7
•Once an amendment is approved, all states and territories should amend their road rules to bring them into line with the amendment.
And that's the rub with these nanny-staters and so many of our laws nowadays. There's an original, overarching Act of Parliament which defines the guts of the Law and its purpose and then it refers to associated 'Regulations' and the Minister's right to amend the Regs from time to time (often with a bunch of political hacks with an axe to grind on an 'Advisory Board' previously mentioned in the Act) in order to further the Law's 'lofty' purpose. That's how all the fines and penalties are ramped up each year, as well as the Regs being added to on the whim of political flunkies and public servants, with nothing better to do than justify their taxeating existence. What you end up with is law that rarely passes open public scrutiny and leaves joe public with a legal quagmire should they inadvertentedly run across some of these misdemeanours and their manifestly excessive penalties at times.
That's what happened to this bloke (wife taught his youngest in Reception)-
http://www.victorharbortimes.com.au/story/264100/whale-of-a-fine/ (http://www.victorharbortimes.com.au/story/264100/whale-of-a-fine/)
Copped around $20k in fines and costs and the bloke had a wife and 2 young kiddies, was a firey with a clean sheet and pillar of his church. Apparently he should have been thankful dear Koula knocked off $5k for pleading guilty and gave him 6 years to pay. Don't even touch any marine mammal remains on the beach either, if you don't want to join Josh. My take is he should have pleaded some Koori in the genes or a bad home life ;)
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7 cops for 1 motorcyclist... LMAO!
Queensland Police Harrassment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TMOiMopMCU#)
Seems a bit over the top, but, there are always 2 x sides to the story, and this clown is showing his... Why didn't he just co-operate to begin with and show his ID when asked?
I have only been pulled over 3 x times in 17 years of driving, and each time I was allegedly doing something wrong (speeding).
I would think that being a smart ar$e to police officers wouldn't help any situation..
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Seems a bit over the top, but, there are always 2 x sides to the story, and this clown is showing his... Why didn't he just co-operate to begin with and show his ID when asked?
I have only been pulled over 3 x times in 17 years of driving, and each time I was allegedly doing something wrong (speeding).
I would think that being a smart ar$e to police officers wouldn't help any situation..
Its getting quite stupid actually for all motor cyclist in QLD atm I thought it was only supposed to be 3 or more would be pulled over now you only have to be wearing a vest?
Loved how the Sargent turned up and took control he new where this was going and going fast and that was straight to youtube they have enough problems in that area with drugs abuse etc but yet all those officers for one guy on a bike sorry that is a huge waste of resources and my tax $$.
Yep this has gone viral already I think you will see many more from this point on.
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7 cops for 1 motorcyclist... LMAO!
Queensland Police Harrassment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TMOiMopMCU#)
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Maybe he is getting the message that we have had enough of OMGs up here.
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Great interaction here kids - let everyone have their opinion!
Back to the original post - he gets the smallest fine out of three he could have gotten - not bad I would've thought! But he had to sook about it anyway. This copper's not going to bother next time - he'll give the next person the biggest fine or maybe all three - how's that for fixing this issue!
As Dazzler said, one sooked about the game they played and from then on these kids in their cars just got the lot. Good job sook - feel better?
No one seems to be thinking about the other thoughtless things the original driver did - drove on the wrong side of the road to park in the oncoming lanes on or partly on the footpath - nothing wrong with that?
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7 cops for 1 motorcyclist... LMAO!
Yaaawn, getting a bit tired of the cop sledging on this forum.
The dick on the bike is probably flagged on the cop's system so they were taking no chances when they pulled him over, we can't see his physical size on the video and he had an attitude. I could see nothing that the cops did wrong.
The biggest laugh is that the dick gave out his full name, DOB and address on social media. Gee, I would piss myself if his bike got stolen or his roof got rocked. What a dick.
KB
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Yaaawn, getting a bit tired of the cop sledging on this forum.
The dick on the bike is probably flagged on the cop's system so they were taking no chances when they pulled him over, we can't see his physical size on the video and he had an attitude. I could see nothing that the cops did wrong.
The biggest laugh is that the dick gave out his full name, DOB and address on social media. Gee, I would piss myself if his bike got stolen or his roof got rocked. What a dick.
KB
Could not agree more. Police where polite and respectful, he was a so and so. No sympathy.....
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Obvious by there questioning that he had links to OMCG's.
They should have sat on his bike, bet he wouldn't have posted it on YouTube then.
Coppers were polite, he was a smart a..e.
Lucky he didn't have the recording device snatched off him in my opinion.
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Obvious by there questioning that he had links to OMCG's.
lol just watched it for a second time and cant work out where you get that from all he said was SMC, one of our fitter and turners at work is a part of a SMC club quite a decent and likeable guy there are apparently quite a few of these social clubs around Australia they aren't Hells OMG's etc but hey lets lump them all together they all have bikes so they must be all bad apples.
Maybe that guy was just pissed off because he had been pulled over a number of times actually, when you think about it he probably wouldn't have had the camera ready and known his rights otherwise.....
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lol just watched it for a second time and cant work out where you get that from all he said was SMC
Not hard to work out. He was wearing the Misfits colours. From their website http://www.misfitssmc.com.au/index.html (http://www.misfitssmc.com.au/index.html) it clearly states that:
All Members MUST own a Motorcycle and it must be registered and in roadworthy condition.
All Members MUST be 100% Committed to the Misfits Social Motorcycle Club ONLY.
All Members are required to join the U.M.C.Q (United Motorcycle Council Queensland).
List of member clubs of the United Motorcycle Council Queensland http://www.umcinc.com.au/index.php?page=about-the-umcq (http://www.umcinc.com.au/index.php?page=about-the-umcq) are:
Member Clubs of the UMCQ:
Bandidos
Black Uhlans
Finks
Gods Squad
Gypsy Jokers
Hells Angels
Highway 61
Iron Horsemen
Life and Death
Lone Wolf
Nomads
Odins Warriors
Rebels
Tribe of Judah
Vietnam Veterans
But yeah, you may right, he just likes a beer and rides his bike with his mates. No harm there.
KB
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Yaaawn, getting a bit tired of the cop sledging on this forum.
Have to agree with you there KB
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Personally I'd have busted Mr Harris for the parking infringements.
It's the height of ignorance and laziness to think that it's OK to park a car pointing the wrong way on any street.
what a dickhead.
Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.
Its purely a numbers game, well documented we're broke in Qld
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Jobs are assigned on a priority bases.
Exactly.
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But yeah, you may right, he just likes a beer and rides his bike with his mates. No harm there.
KB
King billy I just get a bit sick a tired of people always saying that police officers were in the right when a number of times in life I have seen otherwise I worked in security for some time both monitoring and out on patrol and it left my head spinning with some of the crap I witnessed.
There are some very good police officers out there but like any workplace there are some class a dopes that do there colleagues no favours at all, nothing more then thugs throwing their weight around and I guess this is why I have lost respect.
Actually a funny thing, one of the guys I worked in security now is an officer in QLD police he was quite unstable when we worked together have no idea what the standards are to get in but they cant be real high if they let him in.
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BBwilly,
not everyone who rides a Harley is a member of an OMCG, I know friends and cops that ride them that are not members of OMCG's.
From the female cop and the Sergeant's line of questioning it is not hard to see that they had formed the opinion he is a member of what the QLD police have determined is an OMCG.
And yes, I agree, there are good and bad police officers as there are good and bad in every line of work and life.
Not taking away from the fact this bloke was a spanker.
Given his pi.s poor attitude the police showed a great deal of restraint.
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I don't think many people have issues with the pressure on Outlaw gangs...
But looking at most motorcycle forums Qld doesn't want any single person to ride a bike at all anywhere any time - any sort of bike from a Vespa to a Posty bike.
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Its purely a numbers game, well documented we're broke in Qld
You too eh? In SA noticed they're just putting up the fine for unregistered vehicles to $2500 and with no rego stickers anymore (costs money) you wanna be careful about borrowing a mate's trailer or the like. My guess is more are driving unregistered because they're struggling to pay rego anyway.
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I don't think many people have issues with the pressure on Outlaw gangs...
But looking at most motorcycle forums Qld doesn't want any single person to ride a bike at all anywhere any time - any sort of bike from a Vespa to a Posty bike.
Not true.
I was talking to a bike rider at a BBQ tonight. He has a Harley and rides with his mates that own Harley's quite often. He said that on his weekend rides he normally rides with three of four other Harley riders. He doesn't belong to a club and doesn't wear colours. He said he has never been pulled over since the new laws have come in and that innocent riders have nothing to worry about. He said the only times he has been pulled over have been when he was speeding.
He did say he thinks the laws are a bit extreme but it hasn't affected him at all.
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Must say I'm surprised Julia and the Misogyny Maidens aren't right onto that outrageous video. Why aren't those mysogynist coppers back in the squad car, not standing over Ms Affirmative and letting her get on with the job?
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Not true.
I was talking to a bike rider at a BBQ tonight. He has a Harley and rides with his mates that own Harley's quite often. He said that on his weekend rides he normally rides with three of four other Harley riders. He doesn't belong to a club and doesn't wear colours. He said he has never been pulled over since the new laws have come in and that innocent riders have nothing to worry about. He said the only times he has been pulled over have been when he was speeding.
He did say he thinks the laws are a bit extreme but it hasn't affected him at all.
Your mate seems to be the minority from what all the motorcycle forums are saying.
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7 cops for 1 motorcyclist... LMAO!
Queensland Police Harrassment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TMOiMopMCU#)
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/police-commissioner-sorry-for-inconveniencing-harassed-biker-20140113-30pxh.html (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/police-commissioner-sorry-for-inconveniencing-harassed-biker-20140113-30pxh.html)
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http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/police-commissioner-sorry-for-inconveniencing-harassed-biker-20140113-30pxh.html (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/police-commissioner-sorry-for-inconveniencing-harassed-biker-20140113-30pxh.html)
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Read the article , bloke looks like a wanna be prospect ! I've got no dramas with turkeys like this being targeted. Good to see the QLD boys in blue stirring up blokes like this. If your doing the right thing you've nothing to worry about! These OLMC blokes are the s bend of the earth even wannabe blokes like this numpty!
Bring back the old boys from 21 division.
Cheers
Disco teddy
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Read the article , bloke looks like a wanna be prospect ! I've got no dramas with turkeys like this being targeted. Good to see the QLD boys in blue stirring up blokes like this. If your doing the right thing you've nothing to worry about! These OLMC blokes are the s bend of the earth even wannabe blokes like this numpty!
Bring back the old boys from 21 division.
Cheers
Disco teddy
Agree 100%
If you want to play "dress-ups" to look like a motorcycle gang member than expect to be picked on by the cops. I have no sympathy for him. I just saw this tool on the CH7 news. Open face helmet wearing a bandana across his face, you know the ones that look like a skull. Also wearing a black leather vest with patches on it.
If he continues to play "dress ups", then I hope the cops continue to harass him.
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When something like this or worst can happen, I don't blame them getting backup.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/video/watch/20730161/police-officer-dragged-by-car/ (http://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/video/watch/20730161/police-officer-dragged-by-car/)
When I lived around the Campbelltown area I've heard on the scanner where cops have stopped cars and had Knives & also a gun pulled on them, If people want to be a low life or act like one put up with the consequents.
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With a head of hair like that he's lucky he doesn't get stopped while he's on foot!
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Read the article , bloke looks like a wanna be prospect ! I've got no dramas with turkeys like this being targeted.
Disco teddy
Re-read the article. The bloke is clearly a PATCHED member of a SOCIAL motorcycle club. Same thing as a FINANCIAL member of a social 4x4 club, a social fishing club, a social chess club.
Yes, that particular guy seems to be a right twat. So ? Why should he be targeted? Because he's a twat? Because he wears leather and not lycra? Because the bike he rides is made from steel and not carbon fibre? Is his dress code enough reason alone for him to be targeted and harrassed? Clearly by previous comments, this seems to be of some peoples opinion ???
Look at my user name. The ONLY shorts I own are footy shorts. The next time there's a fooball player in the news, please don't associate me with them. I'm not a footbaler, don't follow or support football. Personally I think it's a stupid game.
Please don't wish the same harrasment upon me, based on my dress code, the vehicle I drive and any membership I may hold with a legal social club.
Stop watching Sons of Anarchy people. That **** aint real.
Shane.
(Can't wait for the VLAD laws to hit the electrical section.......... Electricians, bikies, you're all the bloody same now, apparently ;D )
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Re-read the article. The bloke is clearly a PATCHED member of a SOCIAL motorcycle club. Same thing as a FINANCIAL member of a social 4x4 club, a social fishing club, a social chess club.
Yes, that particular guy seems to be a right twat. So ? Why should he be targeted? Because he's a twat? Because he wears leather and not lycra? Because the bike he rides is made from steel and not carbon fibre? Is his dress code enough reason alone for him to be targeted and harrassed? Clearly by previous comments, this seems to be of some peoples opinion ???
Look at my user name. The ONLY shorts I own are footy shorts. The next time there's a fooball player in the news, please don't associate me with them. I'm not a footbaler, don't follow or support football. Personally I think it's a stupid game.
Please don't wish the same harrasment upon me, based on my dress code, the vehicle I drive and any membership I may hold with a legal social club.
Stop watching Sons of Anarchy people. That **** aint real.
Shane.
(Can't wait for the VLAD laws to hit the electrical section.......... Electricians, bikies, you're all the bloody same now, apparently ;D )
No need to re read mate, I've had a little bit to do with OLMC clubs in the past so know a little bit about their structure. (Purely as a part of my employment) it's pretty funny but in twenty years I've never run into a member of a fishing or four wheel drive social club member at a OLMC club house social function, plenty of the social motorcycle clubs do though, some have closer relationships then you think! Just my option mate but if you hang with these blokes you accept their behaviour!
And I don't mind a good pair of footy shorty either :angel:
Cheers
Disco teddy
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People have seem to have forgotten it is things like this http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/another-bikie-brawl-on-gold-coast-as-rivals-clash-at-smoothie-shack-at-nobbys-beach-gold-coast/story-fnihsrf2-1226730295951 (http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/another-bikie-brawl-on-gold-coast-as-rivals-clash-at-smoothie-shack-at-nobbys-beach-gold-coast/story-fnihsrf2-1226730295951) that brought about the new laws in qld that allow Police to target memebers of OMCGs and other organised crime gangs/groups.
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What else did he expect?
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/department-of-transport-says-douglas-gaylards-mongols-numberplate-indecent/story-fnihsrf2-1226801568545 (http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/department-of-transport-says-douglas-gaylards-mongols-numberplate-indecent/story-fnihsrf2-1226801568545)
A chicken takeaway owner who invested in personalised plates named after a notorious outlaw motorcycle gang has been ordered by the State Government to return the plates after he was told they were "indecent".
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So you don’t think the judges are still out of touch. As reported today, one of the so called Yandina 5 was released on bail. He is still awaiting trial on drug trafficking charges, has a criminal history including found with a loaded concealable weapon in his car. The judge in part said, ‘there was not a risk he would fail to appear at his next court date despite expressing concerns about the possibility of reoffending. Justice Byrne said with the trial only 10 weeks away he believed this was insufficient time from Carew to offend.’
So the judge thinks there is a change he could reoffend, but 10 weeks is not long enough for him to offend. What the! So how long does it take to commit a crime? ??? Kevin
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So you don’t think the judges are still out of touch. As reported today, one of the so called Yandina 5 was released on bail. He is still awaiting trial on drug trafficking charges, has a criminal history including found with a loaded concealable weapon in his car. The judge in part said, ‘there was not a risk he would fail to appear at his next court date despite expressing concerns about the possibility of reoffending. Justice Byrne said with the trial only 10 weeks away he believed this was insufficient time from Carew to offend.’
So the judge thinks there is a change he could reoffend, but 10 weeks is not long enough for him to offend. What the! So how long does it take to commit a crime? ??? Kevin
Yep. Judges have a lot to answer for. They are just out of touch with Mr and Mrs average.
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So how long does it take to commit a crime?
11 weeks... ;D
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The problem, from a legal perspective as I understand it, is a precedent set in the past for crimes. They can go back as far as the 60's and 70's maybe earlier. So the way I see it, Judges and Magistrates need to spend a week or two Camping along the Canning Stock Route, discussing around the fire over a few Amber Ales or Reds about how to start handing out tougher sentences together, at the same time and within a certain time frame, therefore setting a new precedent for various types of sentences.
However, there's more chance of me leaving The Bride, taking the Patrol and Camper and doing the Canning Stock Route with her Best friend.
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I normally don't get involved in these discussions but this article shows just how far from reality some of the current Qld MP's are. What a w@nk3r
http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/proposal-people-tattoos-go-police-register/1855284/ (http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/proposal-people-tattoos-go-police-register/1855284/)
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Every man, women and there dogs have tattoos these days
be a big register
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Every man, women and there dogs have tattoos these days.
And half the police force
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After reading several articles on what he said, I think he had the right general idea, however his brain did not keep up with his mouth. Which is interesting when I am sure he had given his idea some thought. But he is a politician, not saying they all like that, but they love making headlines. I am sure, well I hope, that he has seen what a stupid statement he made.
I made the mistake of having a general dig at a female because of a tattoo of a male’s name on her upper arm. She then told me it was the name of her 4 year old son who drowned some years back. Talk about feeling like digging a hole and climbing into it. What a DH I was. :-[ Kevin
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Every man, women and there dogs have tattoos these days
I've never understood tatts at all..
Theres a cute 4ft tall maybe 18yr old at coles up from home, she is covered head to toe in tatts.. She'll hate herself later in life
No wonder she can only get a job at Coles...
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Deleted. Pointless.
Shane.
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King billy I just get a bit sick a tired of people always saying that police officers were in the right when a number of times in life I have seen otherwise I worked in security for some time both monitoring and out on patrol and it left my head spinning with some of the crap I witnessed.
There are some very good police officers out there but like any workplace there are some class a dopes that do there colleagues no favours at all, nothing more then thugs throwing their weight around and I guess this is why I have lost respect.
Actually a funny thing, one of the guys I worked in security now is an officer in QLD police he was quite unstable when we worked together have no idea what the standards are to get in but they cant be real high if they let him in.
You have a valid point here. Cops and ex cops stand up for each other as a matter of culture so you will tend to see this on forums such as this. It is probably the first thing you learn and can lead to issues, both in inappropriate behaviour and sometimes backing a DH.
In the general duties stream it is one in all in even if the 'in' may not be right at the time. Thats for discussion later. This culture has started to change maybe for good, maybe not. A good example is working with teams that do the nite club alcohol districts. On a normal night a team of three would probably lock up six drunks, break up three fights and have a couple of scuffles and arrests for resist etc. On occasions the cop has overstepped the mark or failed to communicate or was just a DH and things go down but that is irrelevant at the time. That is dealt with later and I have been part of giving a cop a belting over drinks for being a DH. They tend to get weeded out pretty quickly.
Keep in mind that the upside of this is that cops actually go towards danger when others run the other way. My wife spent 12 yrs in uniform, was a size 10, 60kg and 173cm tall and would be one of the first in wherever whenever. In all my time I saw one cop show cowardice and that was dealt with later on big time. So every cop has my respect simply for signing up, turning up and doing their best.
I try to temper this a bit but I think I still back the cop first in my mind before thinking it through. The worst thing IMO is the arming up of cops. On the Gold Coast you would swear they were policing Northern Ireland. There is no way they can do 'community policing' effectively with the myriad of weapons they carry. You get no respect through intimidation.
Conversely, their are members on here that are anti police and most of their comments are pretty dopey. I love the legal argument and making them look ignorant as this is my thing from a work perspective.
The other thing that makes me annoyed is that we have the greatest legal system around. If you get fined by a cop it is simply a notice of belief. The cop believes you have committed an offence and it is up to you whether to contest it. You can have it heard before a court and if its as stupid as you say it is, or unlawful, then the magistrate will determine it.
If these people had as big a set of balls as their whinging mouth and went to court then they would earn my respect. But to quote Mr Soprano "they whinge, and moan, and bitch" and cry to their mates all the while twisting what really happened.
I booked a bloke for the offence of 'differing candela'. He was a DH and I pissed myself laughing as I left. He could have contested it but didn't. Usual full of mouth, did nothing.
And heres a tip. Traffic cops are not getting up quotas, revenue raising or any of the other crap. They actually believe what they are doing is saving lives. Sometimes they may overstep the mark - go to court and make them look stupid if they did. Had it done to me once.
be safe
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No probs with plod doing their job without fear or favour dazzler but just the laws they have to police with the crazy penalties. Now recall Josh Philip cops $20k all up first offence for being within 300M of whales (if he'd been speeding around swimmers within 200M of Adelaide shores he'd have faced an expiation fee of $250 plus VOC levy).
Now here's what you cop for being a pissed sheila and knocking a cyclist off their bike-
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/drinkdriving-supreme-court-judge-anne-bampton-apologises-fined-1300-and-disqualified-from-driving-for-eight-months/story-fni6uo1m-1226801748176 (http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/drinkdriving-supreme-court-judge-anne-bampton-apologises-fined-1300-and-disqualified-from-driving-for-eight-months/story-fni6uo1m-1226801748176)
and Gillard and her Misogyny Maidens reckon Oz is riddled with misogyny? You should be sacked instantly Ms Bampton just like footballers and rugby players stepping out of line.
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No probs with plod doing their job without fear or favour dazzler but just the laws they have to police with the crazy penalties. Now recall Josh Philip cops $20k all up first offence for being within 300M of whales (if he'd been speeding around swimmers within 200M of Adelaide shores he'd have faced an expiation fee of $250 plus VOC levy).
I agree 100%. Fines are getting stupid. The silliest thing I came across was the paranoia in NSW over radar detectors. There were huge fines for having them and some compounding fine for not handing it in if caught when in actual fact they were great simply because if you used radar correctly they were useless and made it easier to catch them.
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You have a valid point here. Cops and ex cops stand up for each other as a matter of culture so you will tend to see this on forums such as this. It is probably the first thing you learn and can lead to issues, both in inappropriate behaviour and sometimes backing a DH.
In the general duties stream it is one in all in even if the 'in' may not be right at the time. Thats for discussion later. This culture has started to change maybe for good, maybe not. A good example is working with teams that do the nite club alcohol districts. On a normal night a team of three would probably lock up six drunks, break up three fights and have a couple of scuffles and arrests for resist etc. On occasions the cop has overstepped the mark or failed to communicate or was just a DH and things go down but that is irrelevant at the time. That is dealt with later and I have been part of giving a cop a belting over drinks for being a DH. They tend to get weeded out pretty quickly.
Keep in mind that the upside of this is that cops actually go towards danger when others run the other way. My wife spent 12 yrs in uniform, was a size 10, 60kg and 173cm tall and would be one of the first in wherever whenever. In all my time I saw one cop show cowardice and that was dealt with later on big time. So every cop has my respect simply for signing up, turning up and doing their best.
I try to temper this a bit but I think I still back the cop first in my mind before thinking it through. The worst thing IMO is the arming up of cops. On the Gold Coast you would swear they were policing Northern Ireland. There is no way they can do 'community policing' effectively with the myriad of weapons they carry. You get no respect through intimidation.
Conversely, their are members on here that are anti police and most of their comments are pretty dopey. I love the legal argument and making them look ignorant as this is my thing from a work perspective.
The other thing that makes me annoyed is that we have the greatest legal system around. If you get fined by a cop it is simply a notice of belief. The cop believes you have committed an offence and it is up to you whether to contest it. You can have it heard before a court and if its as stupid as you say it is, or unlawful, then the magistrate will determine it.
If these people had as big a set of balls as their whinging mouth and went to court then they would earn my respect. But to quote Mr Soprano "they whinge, and moan, and bitch" and cry to their mates all the while twisting what really happened.
I booked a bloke for the offence of 'differing candela'. He was a DH and I pissed myself laughing as I left. He could have contested it but didn't. Usual full of mouth, did nothing.
And heres a tip. Traffic cops are not getting up quotas, revenue raising or any of the other crap. They actually believe what they are doing is saving lives. Sometimes they may overstep the mark - go to court and make them look stupid if they did. Had it done to me once.
be safe
Go on then....
Ruin a perfectly good story with common sense and facts........
Seriously though......I agree wholeheartedly.
Cheers
Brian
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Just seen a saying that made me laugh.
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Yea, we put that up for all of the southerners who keep coming here. It is real bad up here, weather is crap, far too dear to live here, and laws are real bad, your politicians are much better. Our beaches are terrible, no rain forests left, no where to go camping, no free camps like in Victoria. Best you guys just stay where you are. ;D Kevin