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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: kiwipete on August 06, 2012, 07:49:18 PM
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This is frigg'n Disgusting
Australian Pig Farming: The Inside Story (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_3xwGiB4gs#ws)
just down the road from here too .... What else is happening in our backyards....
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Shame...... >:(
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We were having pork chops at the time it came on the news. >:(
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That is just sickening!!
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We were in the UK two years back and noticed how good the pork was over there and we were told by locals that all of their pigs are free range farmed. They do not have farms like here. Sure enough, on our travels we saw heaps of pig farms and they were all free range. When I mentioned that fact here I was told we could not do that in Australia because the pork would then be too expensive. The pork in the UK was not expensive at all. But how can we argue that we have to be cruel to animals here because we need to keep costs down? Kevin
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http://www.aussiepigs.com.au/ (http://www.aussiepigs.com.au/)
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That's terrible. I could only watch a couple of minutes of that.
+1 to Kevin's comments - is it really that much more expensive to let them walk around a paddock?
Thanks for sharing Pete - it's good to know about these things so that word can get out.
Matto
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Pork is cheap here, but the market percentage is smaller. Mad Cow disease means that Britons tend to eat much more pork than we do.
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Not acceptable in any way, for quite some time I have only purchased free range chicken & eggs & after this I will not buy pork in any form until I have access to free range.
Bloody disgusting how some treat animals to make a buck.
Frank
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That's terrible. I could only watch a couple of minutes of that.
+1 to Kevin's comments - is it really that much more expensive to let them walk around a paddock?
Thanks for sharing Pete - it's good to know about these things so that word can get out.
Matto
Disgusting :( I couldn't watch it. Poor things :(
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http://www.aussiepigs.com.au/ (http://www.aussiepigs.com.au/)
Go to this site and sign petition.I did, I am far from being a greeny/vegitarian but that is disgusting
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Sickening act of cruelty, those pricks should be locked up. I watched only a few minutes. I used to hunt but that turns my stomach we always dispatched game humanely. maybe they feel tough picking on defenseless animals.
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Watch Food Inc. and you'll find it is the beginning of the wedge for the "profits at all costs" mentalities that the Americans have applied to farming.
I kind of hoped that these sorts of practices wouldn't come in over here.
I was wrong.
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I've had a bit to do with piggeries and that is the exception rather than the rule. One piggery I visited I was not allowed inside and got into trouble when we were looking through the window at the pigs when I put my boot on the concrete slab in case I introduced bacteria or disease. Many piggeries run a high security biological exclusion zone around them and if you are allowed in you need to don clean overalls and walk though a foot bath to kill any bacteria.
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Well the certified "Free range" pork roast we had on the weekend was awesome. Hope you can find some too.
Cheers
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That was beyond disgusting. :'( I can't believe they exist and I can't condone people with a complete lack of compassion like that. :'( Sick bastards. >:( That was very, very hard to watch, but watch to the end I did. :'( :'( :'( I sure could take a sledge hammer to that bloke myself. >:( I couldn't think of a better place for a bullet if I tried.
And with the current laws in Australia, that guy got a slap on the wrist and will doing it again in a year or two. >:(
Kit_e
Now out of tissues and heading to the loo for a complete roll. :'(
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Discraceful
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Bloody farmers!!
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Thats shocking
i was having bacon and eggs at the time aswell
but dont worry i raised the pig myself not locked up in a small pen but in a large enclosure
mum squashed half the litter but the rest look happy and mum is fine and free to roam
With that i had my free range eggs ,
nothing better, foxes ate half my chickens but at least there not locked up
On the side i had yummy grilled tomatoe,
i only got one third of a crop but no chemicals on these babies they taste great
To wash it down i had my favourite brew coffe with a large dash of milk
i mean its only cheap at the moment $1 a litre been drinking it by the gallons
those dairy farmers must be making a killing
Anyway have to go ,got to help the nieghbouring beef farmer fix his tractor
reckins he cannot afford a mechanic,to be honest i dont know why he complains
i mean he lost half his herd in the floods so he must have heaps of feed for the remaining ones
must be raking in the dough
cheers
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Bloody farmers!!
Just remember we shouldn't tar everyone with the same brush! There is good and bad within every business! Know plenty of farmers that are really good people doing it hard.
Cheers
L2GA
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Just remember we shouldn't tar everyone with the same brush! There is good and bad within every business! Know plenty of farmers that are really good people doing it hard.
Cheers
L2GA
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Bloody farmers!!
Tell me your joking ....right ???
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Tell me your joking ....right ???
They ain't saints mate. There are plenty of rouges out there, plenty of good people to. However they are in business to make a buck and if they can cut corners, use chemicals etc etc to get a better yield and make extra $$$ you are kidding yourself if you think they wont. I have plenty of mates that are farmers and they know every trick in the book to cheat the system. Don't blame them really, but that doesn't make it right.
In this case they are scumbags.
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If you are a Facebook user http://www.facebook.com/AustralianPigFarming (http://www.facebook.com/AustralianPigFarming)
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Obviously this video has done exactally what it was designed to do, as animal libo's always do. People need to look at the big picture, not just selected parts. Sure, in this case it looks bad, really bad but you really need to be there to witness the bigger picture yourself.
And for disease control, pig stys win hands down. If you get an outbreak of disease in a paddock, it is near impossible to control and all stock may need to be killed to stop the spread. And the ground may need all sorts of chemicals poured into kill the disease or left bare for years before stock can be re-introduced. In a sty disease is easily controlled to pens.
And this country would be no where if it wasnt for farmers, people need to get out more and see how the real world works. It wont always be fair, it may be cruel at times but im afraid thats just how it is sometimes. Dont get suckered in to these videos.
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yep so true Moto
cheers
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Moto
The days of the farmers being the heros of this country are long gone mate. Sold out to cotton farms, canola, bio fuels etc etc, not stuff that we can eat or that is particularly good for our environment. I am not greenie far from it mate. But farmers will do whatever they can to make $$$, I am a realist and that is business so good on them.
Mining is the new farming mate, it may not be pretty to look at but it will be what takes this counrty into the future not farming.
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Tell me your joking ....right ???
Err no I am not, by and large they are greedy lot, always bloody moaning too much rain, not enough rain etc etc. At any given opportunity they jack up their prices and say sod it to the people who have supported them
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Err no I am not, by and large they are greedy lot, always bloody moaning too much rain, not enough rain etc etc. At any given opportunity they jack up their prices and say sod it to the people who have supported them
Ah, I think you mean the supermarkets jack up the prices, right? I doubt the farmers see a tenth of what woolies makes.
Don't get me wrong, this practice of animal cruelty is disgusting and must stop, but sometimes we get more worked up about the animal welfare than we do about abuse against children. We sometimes need a rethink of our moral radar.
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Err no I am not, by and large they are greedy lot, always bloody moaning too much rain, not enough rain etc etc. At any given opportunity they jack up their prices and say sod it to the people who have supported them
quotes like this mean most people have no idea at all, by the way i do not support cruelty of animals either
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quotes like this mean most people have no idea at all, by the way i do not support cruelty of animals either
So you never hear them moan?? Actually I DO have an idea, its folk that go on about how wonderful the farmers are and that they are salt of the earth that make me sick. They plunder the water from the Murray to keep unsustainable farms growing. Why do we need to grow rice in this country - I never buy aussie rice and the bloody QLD farmers can keep their bloody bananas!!
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Go for it Janbo. Why don’t we get rid of all the farms in this country and import all of our fruit, meat and vegies. We would save heaps. And yeah, especially stop buying those bloody Qld bananas. They are all bent. While we are there, stop the mining, fishing etc. Just buy it all from overseas. Yep, just I am not sure how we are all going to afford that as we approach 100% unemployment!
And like the truckies say, get rid of all the bloody caravans, they do not spend anything in this country, just a bunch of old people holding up traffic, free camping and not spending a cent.
Now Janbo, seriously, I hope you were joking. ???
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Go for it Janbo. Why don’t we get rid of all the farms in this country and import all of our fruit, meat and vegies. We would save heaps. And yeah, especially stop buying those bloody Qld bananas. They are all bent. While we are there, stop the mining, fishing etc. Just buy it all from overseas. Yep, just I am not sure how we are all going to afford that as we approach 100% unemployment!
And like the truckies say, get rid of all the bloody caravans, they do not spend anything in this country, just a bunch of old people holding up traffic, free camping and not spending a cent.
Now Janbo, seriously, I hope you were joking. ???
Actually when bananas were $16 a kilo because of the 'shortage' therewere warehouses full of em, now the prices have come down ichoose not to buy them.
Buying rice from overseas rather than tryingto grow it in a climate tht is not suitable makes perfect sense. Countries export, like we do and import.... Thats the way the world works!!
And when it comes to farmers... I never joke!!
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There is an interesting book to read called eating animals;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eating_Animals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eating_Animals)
There is some stuff about a problem that intensive pig farming has where the flesh of the pig literally dissolves or goes mushy and is inedible. Worth a read if you like to think about these things.
Usual disclaimer - read it, make your own mind up, some propaganda, some good stuff etc
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and the bloody QLD farmers can keep their bloody bananas!!
I grew up on a banana plantation and I can tell you there is not much money in it for the average farmer. We were near coffs harbour and made a living. Probably minimum wage sort of thing. But sweet baby jesus it was hard work and I doubt there are many that could hack it. Due to frosts sth of Qld most bananas are planted on steep slopes. So when you put the blue bags on them you cover every inch of the 10 acres that we had. And ten acres is about the minimum you could live off. Every week. Carrying a ladder, bunch of bags, pest strips, knife. Get to the bunch, put the ladder up, climb, cut off bottom two hands, clear out any leaves, rat nests, snakes, put the bag on, tie it, climb back down.
Try that 50 times on a saturday as a teenager let alone an adult.
Then when you harvest them, and thats every week, you park your tractor on the internal roads and walk down every single row of the ten acreas, find a bunch, knick the banana plant then pull the bunch down onto your back, cut it with the knife and carry it back out. They range from 15 to 30kg each. All the while rat crap, spiders and the odd snake are slithering down your back and into your plumbers crack. Not that you have one anymore. A few times the bunch was huge and I got trapped under it till dad came back lol.
Then take them to the shed, wash em and dehand them. Then grade em, pack em and load them onto the truck. Each one is about 12kg for a carton or 25kg for a crate. Off to the rail and unload them.
(and that leaves out desuckering the unwanted plants, fertilising, cutting away the old leaves, poisoning for beetle, staking to stop them falling over and maintaining the irrigation)
Look - just pay the bloody money and stop whining okay ;D :cheers:
And just to keep perspective. The large supermarket chains set the prices - not the farmers.
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I do not want to inundate this topic with exapmles of where farmers have moaned, perhaps a search for farmers + moan in Google would suffice but believe me they do. They believe the world owes them a living... it doesn't! Many people are doing it tough business closing and thousands of workers being made redundant.... the farmers seem to think they have a monopoly on hard times!!! If I dont produce I lose my job, I could lose my house and would have to find a job doing something else - I am not owed a living and neither are they!!
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without getting into slagging the farmers off as i think woolies and coles are forcing them into unsustainable practises - growing rice in this country is inexcusable - the murray is knackered and we are drawing water off it to grow a crop that is so out of place its not funny - recrop with something else more suited to the climate, export that and import our rice that isnt grown in suitable areas.
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So you never hear them moan?? Actually I DO have an idea, its folk that go on about how wonderful the farmers are and that they are salt of the earth that make me sick. They plunder the water from the Murray to keep unsustainable farms growing. Why do we need to grow rice in this country -
agree x 50 million. Part of my job is enforcing environmental legislation, farmers are a fair portion of my business. They feel they have the right to do whatever they like on their land, including depriving those down stream of water, by erecting illegal, weirs, block banks, re diverting water through channels etc. Not only is this selfish, its unsustainable, does major damage to habitat and prevents fish passage for migration and spawning, not to mention leaving the neighbours downstream with no water. These are not isolated incidents. And when you talk to them, the attitude is its my land I should be able to what I want on it, you are preventing me from making a living. What a joke. If you doubt this get in a plane and fly over the Macquarie Marshes, this is how we catch them. The damage is very obvious from the air.
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It appears some of you have a problem with farmers in general. This topic started as a comment on the animal cruelty inherent in some intensive pig farming operations, and I agree fully that this is disgusting and needs to stop. But why some of you feel the need to move away from this topic to attack farmers in general, and more specifically those involved in crop production I do not know.
Every industry has a percentage of people who do the wrong thing and need weeding out. But I would say the majority of farmers has sustainability and the long term viability of their farm at heart, which often ties in with environmentalism, just not the extreme green version we often see in the news.
Also, farmers are price takers, not price setters, which means they must take the price they are offered or destroy their crops. On-sellers such as supermarkets set the price.
To fully disclose my stake in this argument, I am a farmer myself.
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Agree %100 TJ good and bad everywhere,
does one bad cop mean the whole police force is corrupt
people who do the wrong thing need to be sorted out
But as others have said reporters can make things look a lot worse through editing of a video then they are
cheers
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going by that argument, one bad Pig Farmer doesn't mean they are all bad..... I stand by the comments I have made about farmers in general moaning, rice, bananas etc!!
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Hang in there, Janbo. I'm with you. I have long maintained that if farmers were anywhere near as good at farming as they are at whingeing about everything, they'd all be millionaires.
If they don't like their subsidised rural lifestyles, maybe they could try getting real jobs.
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Hang in there, Janbo. I'm with you. I have long maintained that if farmers were anywhere near as good at farming as they are at whingeing about everything, they'd all be millionaires.
If they don't like their subsidised rural lifestyles, maybe they could try getting real jobs.
C'mon then, tell us all what your super hard profession is so we can all have a laugh. You seriously need a wake up call. Up here in the north there have been far too many farmers commit suicide due to the huge pressures they face within the industry. You probably wouldn't last a week on a real farm. (Sorry, getting off topic)
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going by that argument, one bad Pig Farmer doesn't mean they are all bad..... I stand by the comments I have made about farmers in general moaning, rice, bananas etc!!
I have to diagree with you Janbo,
but your right about one thing no one owes me nothing i chose farming
I mean i could not resist, all that fast cash from stock piling banana's
was so attractive
Geewhiz its gettin dry could do with a spot of rain :D
cheers
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I have to diagree with you Janbo,
but your right about one thing no one owes me nothing i chose farming
I mean i could not resist, all that fast cash from stock piling banana's
was so attractive
Geewhiz its gettin dry could do with a spot of rain :D
cheers
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I don't condone the mis-treatment of animals, as shown in that video. However I'm really suprised by some of the comments and attitudes shown in this thread towards farmers in general. As been mentioned already, there is good and bad in every industry and I think it's naive to think one industry or profession is more or less important in our society, than another. Maybe it's just an Austalian thing, but there is always someone ready to sink the boot and happy to see your demise, regardless whether you work as a fisherman, miner, manager or farmer.
I just wonder whether all those people who are critical of every other job, and every other industry, ever complain about how tough their own industry is or working conditions are, are themselves working for not for profit organisations and being paid the minimum weekly wage, whilst their organisation gives back to the community as much as it takes, and the work they perform is totally sustainble and does not generate any pollution....
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I have to diagree with you Janbo,
but your right about one thing no one owes me nothing i chose farming
I mean i could not resist, all that fast cash from stock piling banana's
was so attractive
Geewhiz its gettin dry could do with a spot of rain :D
cheers
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :cup:
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I have to diagree with you Janbo,
but your right about one thing no one owes me nothing i chose farming
I mean i could not resist, all that fast cash from stock piling banana's
was so attractive
Geewhiz its gettin dry could do with a spot of rain :D
cheers
Enjoy your bananas, must be my lucky day, I have found a farmer that does less bleating than his sheep!!!
When you finish counting all your fast cash, you could perhaps share some amongst your fellow farmers and stop them pleading poverty!!!
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Welcome to intensive pig farming. Remember that video the next time you have a pork chop or bacon. How exactly do you think they farm pigs? What about Chooks, they are the same.
Have any of you ever had anything to do with pig farms?
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I have seen them in the UK, dirty filthy holes, sadly the UK Farmers are much the same, they caused Mad Cows Disease by feeding cows animal waste just to save money...TYPICAL!!!
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Respect people, we insist on it here. This thread is about a particular issue and not an opportunity to attack farmers generally, or to assert that farmers are carrying the nation.
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Nope stalls of this type are banned in uk.
I think you need to read up on BSE and what caused it
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Nope stalls of this type are banned in uk.
I think you need to read up on BSE and what caused it
It really gets my goat when people leave comments like that, in plain english:
http://www.bsereview.org.uk/bse/epidemic-caused.html (http://www.bsereview.org.uk/bse/epidemic-caused.html)
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Welcome to intensive pig farming. Remember that video the next time you have a pork chop or bacon. How exactly do you think they farm pigs? What about Chooks, they are the same.
Have any of you ever had anything to do with pig farms?
Yep CWK my both my nieghbours are Pig farmers they run a tidy outfit
you are not allowed in them unless you are dressed in disposable overalls where plastic boots and have a mask on i think it is
so they can prevent disease one of there workers who comes over here now and then is not allowed near our old piggery or he
cannot go back to work until he has been cleared , they have converted there sow pens into eco style sheds and from memory the farrowing stalls you seen on the video are being outlawed i think there is a certain date that they have to comply by
cheers
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It really gets my goat when people leave comments like that, in plain english:
http://www.bsereview.org.uk/bse/epidemic-caused.html (http://www.bsereview.org.uk/bse/epidemic-caused.html)
dead link
http://archive.defra.gov.uk/foodfarm/farmanimal/diseases/atoz/bse/controls-eradication/causes.htm (http://archive.defra.gov.uk/foodfarm/farmanimal/diseases/atoz/bse/controls-eradication/causes.htm)
http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/145/11/959.abstract (http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/145/11/959.abstract)
it was caused by infected meat & Bone meal .
i remeber the uproar and not being able to buy a T-bone steak as it was thought any beef on the bone was the cause
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dead link
http://archive.defra.gov.uk/foodfarm/farmanimal/diseases/atoz/bse/controls-eradication/causes.htm (http://archive.defra.gov.uk/foodfarm/farmanimal/diseases/atoz/bse/controls-eradication/causes.htm)
http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/145/11/959.abstract (http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/145/11/959.abstract)
it was caused by infected meat & Bone meal .
i remeber the uproar and not being able to buy a T-bone steak as it was thought any beef on the bone was the cause
You appear to have missed 3 important words IN CATTLE FEED which is precisely what I said, COWS DONT EAT MEET!! Greedy UK farmers were cutting corners and feeding cows any old **** they wanted - THIS caused the outbreak!!! I know I lived there at the time, as a result I can't be a blood donor in this country ( which I used to be) all because of the risk of BSE!!!
BTW the link works fine
http://www.bsereview.org.uk/bse/epidemic-caused.html (http://www.bsereview.org.uk/bse/epidemic-caused.html)
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oh good lord
MBM was and is still used around the world.
http://feedconferences.blogspot.com.au/2010/01/use-of-meat-and-bone-meal-in-animal.html (http://feedconferences.blogspot.com.au/2010/01/use-of-meat-and-bone-meal-in-animal.html)
link is now working, and still the same. infected food.
whether the argument as to cattle eating meat is irrelevent. they were not just using any old crap as you say
i am done with this as you seem to think every farmer is a ass. well go and eat grass or grow your own.
till you do this you have no gripe with them. yes they may moan abit sometimes, we all moan a little when trying to make a living, but without them, modern society is doomed
happy with mods to remove this if i have crossed the line, just sometimes it needs to be said
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Now like i said i do not support animal cruelty and there is good and bad everywhere and in every profession
and to slag off at or single out one is foolish and not fair we are all important cogs in the wheel from the stay at home mums to doctors etc
All getting off topic here but another thing that thing that comes to mind
now only 18 monthes ago when the floods where in QLD it only took a few days to stop the transport of food to major regional centres
shelves in the shops where getting low and people where witnessed fighting and arguing over loaves of bread cartons of milk fruit there was a lot of panic buying(from me to stocked up on beer ) now this did happen it is not a story might sound dramatic but imagine if Farmers / Primary Producers stopped supplying the whole country for say two weeks mate would be chaos bet you some people might have a different attitude then .
Anyway i have had enough of this topic gonna go read some trip reports that is what i like on this forum the best
cheers
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oh good lord
MBM was and is still used around the world.
http://feedconferences.blogspot.com.au/2010/01/use-of-meat-and-bone-meal-in-animal.html (http://feedconferences.blogspot.com.au/2010/01/use-of-meat-and-bone-meal-in-animal.html)
link is now working, and still the same. infected food.
whether the argument as to cattle eating meat is irrelevent. they were not just using any old crap as you say
i am done with this as you seem to think every farmer is a ass. well go and eat grass or grow your own.
till you do this you have no gripe with them. yes they may moan abit sometimes, we all moan a little when trying to make a living, but without them, modern society is doomed
happy with mods to remove this if i have crossed the line, just sometimes it needs to be said
I am curious as to why your link is talking about MBM as a food stuff for FISH, not cattle, they are herbivores ( look it up, perhaps Google 'cow')
I too am done with this...
British inquiry into BSE concluded the epizootic was caused by cattle, which are normally herbivores, being fed the remains of other cattle in the form of meat and bone meal (MBM), which caused the infectious agent to spread.
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Yep CWK my both my nieghbours are Pig farmers they run a tidy outfit
you are not allowed in them unless you are dressed in disposable overalls where plastic boots and have a mask on i think it is
so they can prevent disease one of there workers who comes over here now and then is not allowed near our old piggery or he
cannot go back to work until he has been cleared , they have converted there sow pens into eco style sheds and from memory the farrowing stalls you seen on the video are being outlawed i think there is a certain date that they have to comply by
cheers
The video shows conventional pig farming. thats the way is has been done for years. Your neighbours must be aiming for a certain market, as normal HC pig farming is done in conditions as above.
I dont condone this kind of farming, however thats the way it is. Not all animals have the chance to be kissed prior to there slaughter.
My wifes family owned and run a pig farm for 20+ years and i worked on my uncles pig farm for a while, so this video doesnt shock me.
What realy shocks me is that people have noidea what happens behind the scenes. I think its great we are moving toward a better method, however we need the big 2 (coles,ww) to pay better meaning the farmer can move away from this style and into a more sustaniable and humane method (eco shelter etc)
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I've got one word for you all.
6B&S ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Gee folks, stop knocking each other >:(
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I was listening to journalists on ABC702. It came to light that the peak pork marketing organisation beleived that particular piggery was shutting 5 years ago, and that they had been operating under the radar. The several journalists expressed their revulsion but also that they beleived this and the similar cases reported in the last few years were the exceptions.
Once more, this thread is about one farm, not all pig farmers, farmers or anyone else. Please keep on topic or the thread will be closed.
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I've got one word for you all.
6B&S ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Gee folks, stop knocking each other >:(
I would not use 6B&S. Seriously, I dont think you have a clue about 6 B&S and AND I think this comment has put lives at risk.
Shame on you! :cheers: :angel: 8)
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I would not use 6B&S. Seriously, I dont think you have a clue about 6 B&S and AND I think this comment has put lives at risk.
Shame on you! :cheers: :angel: 8)
Reported 8)
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Very Sad indeed. Hopefully the bastard pig farmer with the sledge hammer has whats coming to him... This has made me extremely angry and wish our laws can really make these people pay, but unfortunatley a slap on the wrist is probably all they get.