How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.

[alnjan]

Alnjan with your inability to get to see your dad due to border controls, if you want or need anything done for the old dad , sing out, I’m sure I or other swaggers from Brisbane area could help you out.

Thanks mate, have a sister in law living in the Brisbane area, she is currently with the Bride being with their Mum and help their Dad.   She has to cut her time with their Mum to get back home before having to pay a couple of grand to isolate somewhere after Friday. 

[Bird]

Winning?

Victoria is expected to record 471 new coronavirus cases today.  thats a tad better than 725!

[Kangaron]

Gov modelling has Vic peaking in the last week of August @ 1100 per day for 8/10 days

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[xcvator]

Gov modelling has Vic peaking in the last week of August @ 1100 per day for 8/10 days

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Modelling, yep, just keep puting in different numbers untill you get the answer you want

[Kangaron]

I don't think they were the numbers they wanted.

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[Bird]

I don't think they were the numbers they wanted.

[moeite]

Dan did enforce quarantine for returning travellers, which is where the current infections have come from, but unlike other states Dan decided to use the lowest cost private contractors, and the rest is history. It's too far gone now and stage 4 won't stop it, the people who didn't follow the rules last time aren't suddenly going to follow the rules now. Look at the modelling from overseas, no country has been able to stop/slow it once it it widespread. We now get an out of control virus and a destroyed economic outlook.

It's a bit unfair to lay the blame at Dan's feet.

The security company's contract stated that they would provide training and PPE which they patently didn't. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-29/coronavirus-victoria-hotel-quarantine-security-contract/12503466
Yes, there should have been more oversight by the federal govt and state govts.

Quarantine and border control are both federal government responsibilities which they sidestepped by just leaving the Ruby Princess up to the NSW govt and by leaving the quarantine problem up to Vic. Aged care is another problem that is a federal govt responsibility that is being left up to the states to manage.

All three episodes mixed with a degree of community wilful idiocy have contributed mightily to the COVID-19 numbers that we are seeing today. Just this morning while I was on my way to a doctors appt. masks were only being used by a minority of people that I saw in the street. (( Maybe the majority around here are "Sovereign Citizens" who the rules don't apply to. ))

Yes sure, Dan has made mistakes but he has no textbook (no one has) and the majority of the mistakes are only seen with the benefit of hindsight. I believe that if the Prime Minister had shown half the leadership of our various state Premiers and if he had accepted responsibility for aged care, quarantine and border control we'd be a lot better off.

[Pete79]

I don't think they were the numbers they wanted.

Hope for the best.
Plan for the worst.

[Pete79]

It's a bit unfair to lay the blame at Dan's feet.

The security company's contract stated that they would provide training and PPE which they patently didn't. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-29/coronavirus-victoria-hotel-quarantine-security-contract/12503466
Yes, there should have been more oversight by the federal govt and state govts.

Quarantine and border control are both federal government responsibilities which they sidestepped by just leaving the Ruby Princess up to the NSW govt and by leaving the quarantine problem up to Vic. Aged care is another problem that is a federal govt responsibility that is being left up to the states to manage.

All three episodes mixed with a degree of community wilful idiocy have contributed mightily to the COVID-19 numbers that we are seeing today. Just this morning while I was on my way to a doctors appt. masks were only being used by a minority of people that I saw in the street. (( Maybe the majority around here are "Sovereign Citizens" who the rules don't apply to. ))

Yes sure, Dan has made mistakes but he has no textbook (no one has) and the majority of the mistakes are only seen with the benefit of hindsight. I believe that if the Prime Minister had shown half the leadership of our various state Premiers and if he had accepted responsibility for aged care, quarantine and border control we'd be a lot better off.

Not to mention that the exact same private security company that was engaged to look after the VIC quarantine hotels, is currently engaged in many FEDERAL security contacts. Including providing security at some of Australia’s largest defense bases.

But these facts don’t suit some people’s agenda....

Bit like how Anastasia single handily destroyed the Australian economy when she closed our borders, but Gladys saved 1,000s of lives when she closed her borders.

[D4D]

Jayco factory now linked to at least 18 cases

At least 18 cases are now linked to an outbreak of COVID-19 at a Jayco factory in Melbourne's south-east.

More than 200 employees of the caravan maker have been tested after the first positive case was recorded at its Dandenong facility on July 30.

Jayco said it had closed the workplace, conducted deep cleaning and informed WorkSafe after learning of the positive test.

The factory and office will remain closed in line with the state government's stage four restrictions on workplaces.

[Bird]

Yes sure, Dan has made mistakes but he has no textbook (no one has) and the majority of the mistakes are only seen with the benefit of hindsight.

Bingo.

[D4D]

Yes sure, Dan has made mistakes but he has no textbook (no one has) and the majority of the mistakes are only seen with the benefit of hindsight.

You don't need hindsight to see contracting specialist quarantine work to a private lowest cost security firm vs. engaging public sector health professionals such as other states did was going to be a cluster.

[corndog]

Yes sure, Dan has made mistakes but he has no textbook (no one has) and the majority of the mistakes are only seen with the benefit of hindsight.

And it cannot be said that the guy on the other side of the fence could have , would have or would be doing anything better or worse than Dan and his crew, though some people cannot or will not see past their own narrow vision of their political belief. It is all an unknown and will stay an unknown. Pretty easy to say I would have done it this way, after the fact. Let the other side come out and say this is what and how we would be doing it, put it on the record before the event, then bitch about Dan if what he does doesn't go well and the other way might have.

[Jeepers Creepers]

He's looking buggered on TV, this will be massive toll on his mental health.

To be honest,i hope he fairs ok.... under a ton of pressure, people have necked themselves for much less.

[corndog]

Wouldn't be surprised if by the time this is under control and kept under control there will be a few neck themselves.

[Bird]

[tryagain]

Have said it before, there seems to be an inconsistency between people who want to call either Dan or Gladys to account over the Hotel security and the Cruise ship outbreaks.
There is going to be mistakes made at a time like this, but I don't think when we are in the thick of trying to deal with it is the right time for muckraking. Have never been a fan of Dan, but he seems like he is being open and honest lately  in the press briefings, (doesn't seem to have the energy left to play politics) can't fault him from that perspective. Jenny Mikakos the health minister from Vic on the other hand though seems to not  have got the memo about actually being constructive.

[xcvator]

Have said it before, there seems to be an inconsistency between people who want to call either Dan or Gladys to account over the Hotel security and the Cruise ship outbreaks.
There is going to be mistakes made at a time like this, but I don't think when we are in the thick of trying to deal with it is the right time for muckraking. Have never been a fan of Dan, but he seems like he is being open and honest lately  in the press briefings, (doesn't seem to have the energy left to play politics) can't fault him from that perspective. Jenny Mikakos the health minister from Vic on the other hand though seems to not  have got the memo about actually being constructive.

Bigears was like a fish out of water today after he was told he had to answer questions and not hide behind  an enquiry

[Spada]

Not wanting to politicise the pandemic response at all, just an observation. But all of the elected leaders appear to be looking fairly punch-drunk lately. Be buggered if I'd want to be in their shoes.
There is no precedence to have learned from in recent history on how to respond to this pandemic, no policy or guidelines to refer to, no-one that has been through it before. Every person on the planet seems to be at risk and our elected leaders (of all persuasions) are having to respond in a fairly urgent manner to an ever evolving situation based on the advice of the recognised experts it the relevant fields, all the time trying to fairly balance the greater good V's the greater want.. Today's response may not suit tomorrows circumstances, yet they all get bashed from the sidelines with every move they make. No matter what moves our elected leaders make, they are subjected to "trial by social media". No matter what expert opinion or advice they receive, everyone with a differing view goes and finds a new expert to contradict them. In the early days of this there appeared to be a  reasonably unified approach to dealing with the situation, but now it's like we are 2 weeks from an election and everyone in opposition (all flavours) are just trying to point score and make the other one look as bad as they can, often without offering up a viable alternative.

anyway, sorry to head off topic, normal viewing can resume now..

[Pottsy]

Not wanting to politicise the pandemic response at all, just an observation. But all of the elected leaders appear to be looking fairly punch-drunk lately. Be buggered if I'd want to be in their shoes.
There is no precedence to have learned from in recent history on how to respond to this pandemic, no policy or guidelines to refer to, no-one that has been through it before. Every person on the planet seems to be at risk and our elected leaders (of all persuasions) are having to respond in a fairly urgent manner to an ever evolving situation based on the advice of the recognised experts it the relevant fields, all the time trying to fairly balance the greater good V's the greater want.. Today's response may not suit tomorrows circumstances, yet they all get bashed from the sidelines with every move they make. No matter what moves our elected leaders make, they are subjected to "trial by social media". No matter what expert opinion or advice they receive, everyone with a differing view goes and finds a new expert to contradict them. In the early days of this there appeared to be a  reasonably unified approach to dealing with the situation, but now it's like we are 2 weeks from an election and everyone in opposition (all flavours) are just trying to point score and make the other one look as bad as they can, often without offering up a viable alternative.

anyway, sorry to head off topic, normal viewing can resume now..

Well said, wouldn’t want to be in their shoes at the moment, it’s a poisoned chalice.

[bmwfreak]

without offering up a viable alternative.

This has been the case in many situations in Australian politics for the 30 years, with the opposition party criticising and backstabbing, but not proposing a solution, whether it is a viable one or not. 

[glenm64]

Case in point(and lets not debate it here)
The stimulus package from GFC days is small compared to this one, yet the hypocrisy in standards when YOU are responsible is glaringly obvious. Its easy to stand on the side lines and throw rocks.
If you've got nothing positive to contribute, well, dont contribute I reckon.

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[D4D]

I'm not sure why my comments have been seen as political, it's basic common sense. Contracting specialist health/quarantine work to a private lowest cost security firm vs. engaging public sector health professionals such as other states did was always going to end in tears. Yes the contracts did push the risk/responsibility from the Government to the contractor, but outsourcing something as critical as health/quarantine when the Government had the knowledge/learnings from other countries was a ridiculous decision.

[Bird]

These "freedom protesters" should get 12 mths jail each and be prevented from breeding..

Victoria expected to record more than 450 cases;  Arrests over planned Melbourne 'freedom' protest



Almost 200 fines were handed out in the past day in Victoria to people flouting coronavirus restrictions, of which a quarter were issued to those not wearing a face mask.

Victoria Police issued a total of 196 fines on Thursday - the most infringements issued in a 24-hour period since the second lockdown began in early July.

Fifty-one infringements were issued to people not wearing a face covering for one of the approved reasons, 43 were for curfew breaches and nine were at vehicle checkpoints.
Examples of some of the fines included:

    A man breaching curfew at 3.40am in Maroondah who told police he was out to feed his uncle’s horses.
    A man buying cigarettes in an adjacent suburb to his home after curfew at 9.30pm. A knife was also located in the car.
    A man and woman who drove from Fawkner to Dallas at 9.30pm to get a pizza as the pizza shop wouldn’t deliver.
    A man detected speeding in Whittlesea at 10pm. He was 14 kilometres from his home address and did not have a permitted reason to travel during curfew.

[corndog]

I'm not a health worker, I'm not a security worker. But I have enough sense and brains to know what the word quarantine means, why people were being put into it, how and what I should be doing to handle it if it was a job given to me. I have no more training other than a first aid cetificate, but still would be asking for and wearing disposable gowns, gloves, face masks and even glasses. Quarantine doesn't mean you let them come out of their room to have a walk around the streets, have a smoke, take them shopping, go into their room to give it to them cause they're horny,  have drinks with them. No doubt training should have been given. Protective  clothing should have been supplied ,from the very beginning. But would all this made any difference  when your giving it to someone that thinks and acts from the head that's in his underpants.