How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.

[Rodt]

On the news this morning they mentioned the government are having discussions about relaxing the Social Distancing rules which will hopefully allow people to develop their own immunity.

They are saying that a vaccine is a minimum 12 months away and they are struggling to inforce the social distancing rules now, so in 6,10,12 months it’s going to be even harder to enforce.  But I also believe the Government knows they can’t financially support Australia for 12 months.

When this virus first made the headlines a few Dr’s said just let it run its course (IE: high death toll, but short lived) but they were ridiculed. That may still happen.

Hopefully they find a vaccine sooner that later, but the longer this goes on then the higher the chance of the above happening.

That's interesting as that was the UK (ie: Boris Johnson was very vocal) response wasn't it and look what has happened to him

All unknown territory though so who knows what is right

[KeithB]

On the news this morning they mentioned the government are having discussions about relaxing the Social Distancing rules which will hopefully allow people to develop their own immunity.

Doesn't developing our own immunity mean we have to catch the disease first? There are two problems with this.
Firstly a likely death rate of 1 per cent which means 250,000 Australians might well die.
Secondly nobody can say how long acquired immunity will last.

Keith

[Bird]

Secondly nobody can say how long acquired immunity will last.

The reports and stuff are very quiet on those that have "over come" the disease.... You dont hear anything at all about it... Maybe you can catch it many times over many months/weeks/years... ??

[tryagain]

Doesn't developing our own immunity mean we have to catch the disease first? There are two problems with this.
Firstly a likely death rate of 1 per cent which means 250,000 Australians might well die.
Secondly nobody can say how long acquired immunity will last.

Keith

50-60% infection rate would then create herd immunity, ie there wouldn't be enough new people for the disease to keep spreading too. If you then kept those in the highest risk categories (over 60 and immunocompromised) under tighter social distancing measures, and then make sure those who get it in a bad way have access to quality care you might keep the casualties to 20,000. It's not a great outcome, but likely the least worse option at the moment.

Once you have had it, your body has immunity to that strain, if it mutates then we are back at the beginning, but that will likely be the same case for a vaccine as well.

There is no guarantee that there will be a vaccine, and if so when it would be available, but the testing phase takes about a year. I have heard testing a vaccine likened to growing corn, doesn't matter how much money you throw at it, how many crops you plant, it is still going to take the same time.

[glenm64]

SARS broke out in 2002, and there's no vaccine to date.

Cheers Glen

[KeithB]

My long suffering wife has come up with what I think is a sensible suggestion.
To make shopping in the supermarkets a bit safer, why not make all the aisleways one way. You'd still go up and down the aisles as normally and could skip aisles if you wanted to.
This would minimise contact between the punters and give a better chance of 1.5 metres separation.
Keith

[Fizzie]

Great idea!

[Champin]

I went into a fairly large Gippsland town yesterday  ( first time out in 12 days) and it was like business as usual. You wouldn't know there was a lockdown goinig on at all. Looks like not everyone is getting the message.

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[rockrat]

My long suffering wife has come up with what I think is a sensible suggestion.
To make shopping in the supermarkets a bit safer, why not make all the aisleways one way. You'd still go up and down the aisles as normally and could skip aisles if you wanted to.
This would minimise contact between the punters and give a better chance of 1.5 metres separation.
Keith

Good idea but when I was at Bunnings the other day, people obviously had trouble counting. Signs said no more than 4 per aisle, yeah right!

The missus was pretty funny though - she gave a few a bit of stick with lines like “hey sweety, can you help your dad count to four?”


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[Bird]

I went into a fairly large Gippsland town yesterday  ( first time out in 12 days) and it was like business as usual. You wouldn't know there was a lockdown goinig on at all. Looks like not everyone is getting the message.

Sounds like you could have gone to Aspen 

[Champin]

Sounds like you could have gone to Aspen 

Straight through to the keeper

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[Bird]

Straight through to the keeper

peeps not gettin message
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/throw-the-book-at-them-health-minister-addresses-aspen-controversy-20200331-p54frd.html

[Champin]

peeps not gettin message
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/throw-the-book-at-them-health-minister-addresses-aspen-controversy-20200331-p54frd.html

Righto. Got it. I never done been accused of being overly intelligent.

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[Bird]

Confusion continues....

Queen Vic Market and many otehr weekend markets are OPEN you seen how packed markets get?

[Champin]

Who is making these crazy rules. No wonder Joe and Jane Blow are confused. Do they want us to isolate or don't they? If they are going to fine a few people getting togetther but the allow a huge market to go ahead then what?
I suppose at the end oftheday I  have no control over what anyone else does. I just know that I can go to bed of a night knowing that I have done the best I  can.

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[gronk]

In theory, if everyone did the right thing, this virus would die out in 2 weeks.

Herd immunity is not the way we should go...hospitals would be chaos.....not to mention drs and nurses.

Self isolation for positive cases doesn't seem to work either......has to be lock them up or shoot them.....

But there can't be a relaxation of rules until it gets under control.....that just makes all we have done so far a waste of time..

[Kangaron]

My long suffering wife has come up with what I think is a sensible suggestion.
To make shopping in the supermarkets a bit safer, why not make all the aisleways one way. You'd still go up and down the aisles as normally and could skip aisles if you wanted to.
This would minimise contact between the punters and give a better chance of 1.5 metres separation.
Keith

Listening to the head honcho from Cole's the other day, they trialed one way isles early on. It was just too much for the sheeple to comprehend and confusion reighed. Was given the flick after a couple of hours.

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[D4D]

In theory, if everyone did the right thing, this virus would die out in 2 weeks.

Based on what science?

[glenm64]

Listening to the head honcho from Cole's the other day, they trialed one way isles early on. It was just too much for the sheeple to comprehend and confusion reighed. Was given the flick after a couple of hours.

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Bit like when Sweden changed which side of the road they drove on.



Cheers Glen

[Pete79]

My long suffering wife has come up with what I think is a sensible suggestion.
To make shopping in the supermarkets a bit safer, why not make all the aisleways one way. You'd still go up and down the aisles as normally and could skip aisles if you wanted to.
This would minimise contact between the punters and give a better chance of 1.5 metres separation.
Keith

Our IGA set that up almost 2 weeks ago.

I think me and one other guy follow the arrows on the floor, the rest (including the staff) still just wonder up and down the aisles as they please.

[Merts]

Based on what science?

I'm guessing he's getting at the fact that if we completely stopped new infections, those who were infected would either get better or die, and there would be nobody left carrying the virus to infect anyone else.

[D4D]

I'm guessing he's getting at the fact that if we completely stopped new infections, those who were infected would either get better or die, and there would be nobody left carrying the virus to infect anyone else.

Hasn't worked for Italy...

[gronk]

I'm guessing he's getting at the fact that if we completely stopped new infections, those who were infected would either get better or die, and there would be nobody left carrying the virus to infect anyone else.

Exactly. In theory.....

If everyone stopped interactions with other humans, it would die out. The isolation rules are reducing the infections, and the numbers we should be looking at are only the new infections per day, not the actual number of infections, as they should all be in isolation, AND the people who they have been in contact with.

[Hairs]

In theory, if everyone did the right thing, this virus would die out in 2 weeks

https://youtu.be/BgXRodXITQc

[gronk]

Hasn't worked for Italy...

Has for Hong Kong and Singapore !!  Italy took too long to social distance and self isolate. It was out of control before they did anything.