Don't run yellow lights

[prodigyrf]

As the nephew discovered the same in SA where it costs over $500 with VOC levy and the points, exactly the same as if you run a red-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/the-road-rule-hardly-anyone-knows-that-has-cost-drivers-more-than-dollar600000/ar-AAyq2kJ

He was pulled over by cop who freely admitted it was yellow when he entered the intersection but them's the rules youngun if in his opinion you could have stopped in time on the yellow 

[D4D]

Yep, amber/yellow means stop unless it is NOT safe to do so.

[#jonesy]

That's one of the worst researched stories. I'm pretty sure all 4 states listed have exactly the same rule. Just been explained differently

Must stop if can do so.
That's been the rule in Vic since before I got my licence in the 80's

[briann532]

Must be completely different rules in NSW.

Over here when our light turns green 6 other cars still go through and you have to wait for them.
You then get beeped by the bloke behind for not ramming them.
He then tailgates you sticking his finger up and abusing you, only stopping to send a text or update facebook.
He then swings across lanes to get finally get in front of you and then ends up behind you at the next set of lights for a repeat.

Ah good times.

[#jonesy]

Must be completely different rules in NSW.

Over here when our light turns green 6 other cars still go through and you have to wait for them.
You then get beeped by the bloke behind for not ramming them.
He then tailgates you sticking his finger up and abusing you, only stopping to send a text or update facebook.
He then swings across lanes to get finally get in front of you and then ends up behind you at the next set of lights for a repeat.

Ah good times.

That only applies during peak hour. And some various suburbs.

[edz]

^^^ Not around our neck of the woods here at the boarder of NSW / QLD ...Its all the time .
Fair dinkum if they want to pay off the national debt, just put a couple of red light camera's in ..

[Poita]

These vague 'laws of discretion' really get me annoyed. So I deem it's not safe to stop (safer to quickly accelerate through) as I know my car and how well it brakes, how close or what type of vehicle is behind me etc. Some completely random officer who does not know or see all of this, deems that I could have stopped purely on distance. I cop a fine as the officer has the badge and I don't.
Same as driving lights in 'inclement weather'. Who is to draw the line on inclement weather?? The driver who feels that it is helping them see in what they deem inclement weather or the officer who has had a bad hair day and doesn't think anything less than 5ft visibility is inclement?
So the driver has the potential to be out of pockets hundreds of dollars purely based on someone else's opinion.

[Charlie Brown]

These vague 'laws of discretion' really get me annoyed. So I deem it's not safe to stop (safer to quickly accelerate through) as I know my car and how well it brakes, how close or what type of vehicle is behind me etc. Some completely random officer who does not know or see all of this, deems that I could have stopped purely on distance. I cop a fine as the officer has the badge and I don't.
Same as driving lights in 'inclement weather'. Who is to draw the line on inclement weather?? The driver who feels that it is helping them see in what they deem inclement weather or the officer who has had a bad hair day and doesn't think anything less than 5ft visibility is inclement?
So the driver has the potential to be out of pockets hundreds of dollars purely based on someone else's opinion.

Yeah, I agree f**k all laws, let’s all do whatever we want!

[Bird]

These vague 'laws of discretion' really get me annoyed. So I deem it's not safe to stop (safer to quickly accelerate through) as I know my car and how well it brakes, how close or what type of vehicle is behind me etc. Some completely random officer who does not know or see all of this, deems that I could have stopped purely on distance. I cop a fine as the officer has the badge and I don't.

[macca]

These vague 'laws of discretion' really get me annoyed. So I deem it's not safe to stop (safer to quickly accelerate through) as I know my car and how well it brakes, how close or what type of vehicle is behind me etc. Some completely random officer who does not know or see all of this, deems that I could have stopped purely on distance. I cop a fine as the officer has the badge and I don't.
Same as driving lights in 'inclement weather'. Who is to draw the line on inclement weather?? The driver who feels that it is helping them see in what they deem inclement weather or the officer who has had a bad hair day and doesn't think anything less than 5ft visibility is inclement?
So the driver has the potential to be out of pockets hundreds of dollars purely based on someone else's opinion.

You think they are bad, you should try and interpret the "heightened risk" rules on a boat

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[macca]

Yeah, I agree f**k all laws, let’s all do whatever we want!

Maybe not all laws, maybe just start with the ones Poita was talking about that are open to interpretation

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[#jonesy]

Or you could actually try stopping at yellow lights. Pretty easy really, especially if you haven't got to the solid line between the lanes when the lights change.

[Poita]

Yeah, I agree f**k all laws, let’s all do whatever we want!

That's not what I said or even inferred. I just disagree with the concept of potentially charging drives hundreds of dollars on things that are purely based on opinion.
You drive 10kph over, then cough up, there is proof provided by the laser. You run a red light, cough up again, proof in the camera photo.

[Poita]

Helpful...
I drive main north road to work on a regular basis. There is a rear end pile up pretty much every week due to traffic lights every few hundred meters on an 80kph road. It is also notorious for tailgating.
There are times I will go through the yellow as I have a truck sitting on my rear end where otherwise I would have attempted to stop. Or given I'm in the 4wd I wouldn't have been able to stop as quick as I'm my Legnum.
Now who is the better judge of safety here? Me who knows the car and knows that stretch of roads reputation or a random onlooker?
In no way am I commending running a red, simply pushing through on a yellow if I seem it safer.

[The punter]

I wish there was a similar rule for people that putt off at the green and don’t give a rats about anyone behind that’s going to be sitting for another rotation

[Bird]

Helpful...

Fixed. pasted wrong one when i was lookin originally...

I eleventy thousand % agree with you

[JusyApples]

That's not what I said or even inferred. I just disagree with the concept of potentially charging drives hundreds of dollars on things that are purely based on opinion.
You drive 10kph over, then cough up, there is proof provided by the laser. You run a red light, cough up again, proof in the camera photo.

The easiest way to avoid a fine is not break the road rules.

[Bird]

The easiest way to avoid a fine is not break the road rules.

But that still misses the point..
Who knows his cars stopping ability and whats safe better? Him having done over 100,000klms in varying weather conditions - or a bloke thats never driven it?

[macca]

The easiest way to avoid a fine is not break the road rules.

OK, but can you let me in on the secret that lets you know when the green changes to amber, cause when I'm doing 50, 60, 70, 80kph and I'm ten metres from the intersection I'm dammed if i can pick it. I am never in the intersection when the light changes from amber to red, just cant pick that green to amber change,  unless i think that's long enough and stop on the green and wait

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[JusyApples]

But that still misses the point..
Who knows his cars stopping ability and whats safe better? Him having done over 100,000klms in varying weather conditions - or a bloke thats never driven it?

I'm pretty sure no one will get a fine if there is an unreasonable amount of time/distance to safely stop

[macca]

I'm pretty sure no one will get a fine if there is an unreasonable amount of time/distance to safely stop

But thats the whole discussion isn't it. Interpretation is open to interpretation.  That's what Poita was saying, what he sees as safe might not be what the officer sees as safe. You are always going to have disagreement when rules are left open for interpretation and badge will win everytime i guess

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[Bird]

But thats the whole discussion isn't it. Interpretation is open to interpretation.  That's what Poita was saying, what he sees as safe might not be what the officer sees as safe. You are always going to have disagreement when rules are left open for interpretation and badge will win everytime i guess

Exactly.. Good luck proving otherwise

[Pottsy]

Exactly.. Good luck proving otherwise

As policing changes and there is more reliance on in car camera footage etc I think it will be less open to interpretation.

[Spada]

so who gets a ticket here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZX1dQOLp6E

[Merts]

These vague 'laws of discretion' really get me annoyed. So I deem it's not safe to stop (safer to quickly accelerate through) as I know my car and how well it brakes, how close or what type of vehicle is behind me etc.

The law is simple and clear. Amber means stop as long as it's safe to do so.
If you are too close to stop on the amber you don't need to accelerate to beat the red. Just keep going at the speed you were travelling at.
If you have enough time to accelerate to beat the red, you certainly have enough time to stop.
The problem is that when the lights turn amber, most of us are thinking about whether we can beat the red (because we don't WANT to stop), rather than if we can safely stop.