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Fuel transfer from jerry cans
« on: April 10, 2018, 12:39:57 AM »
I’m sick and tired of having to lift jerry cans when we need to refuel are there any safe pumps that are suitable for diesel?
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Re: Fuel transfer from jerry cans
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2018, 04:23:36 AM »
Quote from: Ger08 on April 10, 2018, 12:39:57 AM
I’m sick and tired of having to lift jerry cans when we need to refuel are there any safe pumps that are suitable for diesel?

12v facet fuel pumps. Not super quick as they are designed as a 7psi lift pump.

But I use one on boats for fuelling at sea. Just run some 3/8” fuel hose onto each end of the pump and an Anderson plug. Dip the pickup into the jerrycan and let the magic begin.


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Re: Fuel transfer from jerry cans
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2018, 05:38:35 AM »
Jiggler syphon. Just need somewhere to put the jerry which isn’t an issue if you have a Ute.
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Re: Fuel transfer from jerry cans
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2018, 05:56:44 AM »
I have also seen a DIY  [ diesel ] air pumped fuel transfer set up .. A jerry can cap that has two fittings and basicaly a straw into the bottom of the fuel can .
This bloke had his air compressor permanetly set up on his rig though .. could use a cheapy 12 v air comp or even a push bike pump I guess.
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Just Googled it and you can buy a hand pumped version in the UK http://www.commercialfuelsolutions.co.uk/jerry_can_pump.html
Expensive though ..
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« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2018, 08:14:56 AM »
Tanami pump....if you don’t wish to make your own.

https://www.rv4x4.net.au/4x4-accessories/fuel-related/tanami-pump/


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Re: Fuel transfer from jerry cans
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2018, 08:19:41 AM »
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Re: Fuel transfer from jerry cans
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2018, 09:13:53 AM »
I 2nd the jiggle hose. 3/4 in is perfect.
Lucky for me i have a kaymar rear bumper jerry can holder.
I just open the swing arm, then the distance to the fuel cap is in distance for the lengths of jiggle hose,  and off i go... i do man handle the jerry can when  just about empty to make sure it all goes in. 2 Jerrys transfer only takes 1 beer..
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Re: Fuel transfer from jerry cans
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2018, 11:11:47 AM »
X3 for the jiggler. Can be used on just about any fuel container and takes up very little space and weighs next to nothing. I used one for years until getting the GU with the bigger sub tank.

If you have a diesel, make sure you get the wider diesel jiggler as it is much faster to use.
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Re: Fuel transfer from jerry cans
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2018, 06:39:43 PM »
Thanks for all the help- it looks like a juggler for us
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Re: Fuel transfer from jerry cans
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2018, 07:02:09 PM »
I have a jiggler hose, and you still need the Jerry can to be higher than the fill point.
FWIW I bought a Tanami Pump, marketing line: Quote You will never lift a Jerry can again! Unquote
Jiggler used once by necessity, never to be used again.
Tanami Pump, used so far 7 times, I would never go back to a jiggler.
With the Tanami pump you do need an air pressure source, but as you only need a couple of PSI for it to operate effectively, a cheap bike pump will suffice.
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Re: Fuel transfer from jerry cans
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2018, 08:08:10 PM »
Quote from: OldPaj on April 10, 2018, 07:02:09 PM
I have a jiggler hose, and you still need the Jerry can to be higher than the fill point.
FWIW I bought a Tanami Pump, marketing line: Quote You will never lift a Jerry can again! Unquote
Jiggler used once by necessity, never to be used again.
Tanami Pump, used so far 7 times, I would never go back to a jiggler.
With the Tanami pump you do need an air pressure source, but as you only need a couple of PSI for it to operate effectively, a cheap bike pump will suffice.
Agree, you would normally carry a tyre pump, or a Lilo pump, and that's all that's needed to make the Tanami work.
With the dump valve on the pump, you can stop it, at any time.  And spill less than using a Jerry on its own, with a spout.
With the jiggler you still have to have the outlet of the hose lower than the bottom of the jerry can you are emptying.
which means you may have to lift the jerry can to get that advantage, so it works. 
It certainly won't work if the can you're emptying is sitting on the ground.
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Re: Fuel transfer from jerry cans
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2018, 10:22:19 PM »
You can also get "BATTERY POWERED FUEL TRANSFER SIPHON PUMP" that use 2 D cell batteries from Go Kart shops. They are about as fast as siphoning the fuel but you don't need to lift the jerry can.


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Re: Fuel transfer from jerry cans
« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2018, 09:55:06 AM »
Auto Barn sell a Rough country 4x4 wheel step.
3 adjustable steps,
Will hold 136kg in weight,
Suit tyre widths to 33cm- 14" wide.
That way you can sit the jerry can on the highest level step and use a jiggler or put your foot on the required step with the jerry can on your knee and go for it.
      cheers Ron. Also the steps fold up.
 
 
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Re: Fuel transfer from jerry cans
« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2018, 01:32:36 PM »
Quote from: Pecky on April 10, 2018, 10:22:19 PM
You can also get "BATTERY POWERED FUEL TRANSFER SIPHON PUMP" that use 2 D cell batteries from Go Kart shops. They are about as fast as siphoning the fuel but you don't need to lift the jerry can.


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Re: Fuel transfer from jerry cans
« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2018, 03:09:49 PM »
Like the sound of the Go Kart fuel siphon.

Just a question on the Tanami pump, will it only work on the metal jerry cans which aren't my favourites?
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Re: Fuel transfer from jerry cans
« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2018, 03:33:35 PM »
So long as you have a seal the 2 to 5 PSI air pressure does the rest, plastic or metal dont matter at that pressure.    [ Source a spare Cap that fits the fuel can you want to fit it to ].
Just have to alter the pick up tube length to suit  different fuel container heights ..
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Re: Fuel transfer from jerry cans
« Reply #16 on: April 11, 2018, 07:26:23 PM »
Quote from: Traveller on April 11, 2018, 03:09:49 PM
Like the sound of the Go Kart fuel siphon.

Just a question on the Tanami pump, will it only work on the metal jerry cans which aren't my favourites?

Tanami is the name of the model that fits the European type Jerry can. 
There are others that fit different containers, which operate on the same method.

https://www.rv4x4.net.au/tanami-pump-metal-jerry-can-transfer-pump-petrol-r  (on offer for $44.00)
http://www.polarisinnovations.com/tanamimodels.htm  (a bit dearer, and includes 205&60 Ltr. drum models.)
Upcoming versions with be Birdsville-1  for the Willow, the Birdsville-2 for the Fuelsafe & the Birdsville-3 for the Wedco jerry style fuel cans.
I believe they are made for the American screw down fuel cans also. 
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Re: Fuel transfer from jerry cans
« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2018, 08:01:05 PM »
I’ve been using one of these for about 5 years now.
https://www.bunnings.com.au/gfb-6mm-drill-pump_p0014787
I have an old 12 volt drill with an Anderson and ciggie but plug wired to run it.
Works a treat...
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Re: Fuel transfer from jerry cans
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Re: Fuel transfer from jerry cans
« Reply #19 on: April 12, 2018, 05:49:36 PM »
Quote from: Pecky on April 10, 2018, 10:22:19 PM
You can also get "BATTERY POWERED FUEL TRANSFER SIPHON PUMP" that use 2 D cell batteries from Go Kart shops. They are about as fast as siphoning the fuel but you don't need to lift the jerry can.


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I see today that these are available at RTM for $19.95.

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Re: Fuel transfer from jerry cans
« Reply #21 on: April 12, 2018, 09:46:43 PM »
Quote from: Boots33 on April 12, 2018, 08:00:07 AM
Has anyone used this type of pump for diesel, certainly cheap enough if they work.

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/12V-Fuel-Oil-Diesel-Transfer-Pump-Station-Heavy-Duty-40L-min-FASTPOST-WARRANTY/201775843335?epid=579695607&hash=item2efac70807:g:e0EAAOSw9KhaQb0q
I've got the same type of pump made by Silvan https://www.silvan.com.au/rural-lifestyle/12v-inline-bp3000-diesel-pump/ certainly a lot cheaper than the one I have. The downside is that they don't pack up very neatly as you have to use fairly stiff hose on the suction side, also diesel is very oily and unless you can block off both suction and delivery pipes very well you will end up with an oily mess in whatever you transport it in..
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Re: Fuel transfer from jerry cans
« Reply #22 on: April 12, 2018, 10:00:27 PM »
Quote from: IanS on April 12, 2018, 09:46:43 PM
I've got the same type of pump made by Silvan https://www.silvan.com.au/rural-lifestyle/12v-inline-bp3000-diesel-pump/ certainly a lot cheaper than the one I have. The downside is that they don't pack up very neatly as you have to use fairly stiff hose on the suction side, also diesel is very oily and unless you can block off both suction and delivery pipes very well you will end up with an oily mess in whatever you transport it in..

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Re: Fuel transfer from jerry cans
« Reply #23 on: April 13, 2018, 12:14:25 PM »
Quote from: Pecky on April 10, 2018, 10:22:19 PM
You can also get "BATTERY POWERED FUEL TRANSFER SIPHON PUMP" that use 2 D cell batteries from Go Kart shops. They are about as fast as siphoning the fuel but you don't need to lift the jerry can.

Noticed on this site (Manufacturer's  ???) https://www.jroctackle.com.au/Accessories/Battery-Operated-Pumps

that

"This pump WORKS AT IT'S OPTIMUM FLOW when the outtake is raised level or higher then what you are pumping into. Therefore it may be necessary to raise the height of the container you are pumping from so it's level or higher than what you are pumping in to.
Trying to pump UPWARDS will REDUCE the FLOW RATE!"

& they show the top of the jerry level with the tank filler.

https://www.jroctackle.com.au/epages/shop.sf/en_AU/?ObjectPath=/Shops/jroctackle/Products/JRP001

If you sit the jerry on the ground it will "reduce the flow rate" but how badly ??? It's supposed to good for 10 lpm but what will it reduce to 5 / 1 / not at all ??? Anybody actually used one ???
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Re: Fuel transfer from jerry cans
« Reply #24 on: April 13, 2018, 07:10:50 PM »
I have one and have used it a few times with the jerry can on the ground and it works ok. One thing I have just remembered is that the outlet hose is fairly short so it may not reach the fuel inet on the car if you have big tyres and a lift. It is probably a bit longer than a jiggle hose but I tended to start it up and then twiddle my thumbs for a few minutes as you don't really have to do much else.
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