New Caravan Park Scam

[xcvator]

Latest Big4 caravan park ( Inverloch ) "recommendation" is that your power leads are all "tested and tagged" because it's a work site. When I asked them was it compulsory the reply came back "that,no, it wasn't compulsory or law, but if you were prepared to take the risk that was fine " with no explanation of just what the risk is/was

[D4D]

I don't see the problem, I've seen some dodgy power leads used in parks. Good idea to get some awareness on being safe.

[gronk]

While it's in a lot of peoples interest to have their lead tested and tagged, it serves no purpose to have a "recommendation" that only confuses people ?

Even if a van park had a rule for only approved leads, where do you go to get ONE lead tested and tagged ??

[edz]

Not a new thing around here Ex, Dad passed away nearly six years ago and it was in place a few years before that in his caravan park ....   The local parks around here have that, you need a tested tagged power lead before you can hook up to power thing happening  .  Conveniently one of the staff can test your lead for you and tag it for about $15   

[xcvator]

Not a new thing around here Ex, Dad passed away nearly six years ago and it was in place a few years before that in his caravan park ....   The local parks around here have that, you need a tested tagged power lead before you can hook up to power thing happening  .  Conveniently one of the staff can test your lead for you and tag it for about $15 

That's what I meant about scam and in Victoria it is not compulsory not is it a workcover issue as a couple of parks are trying to make out

[Kangaron]

Don't stay in CP's then, what was wrong with the nice spot you were at last week, beats a CP by miles.

[rags]

So if one is required to get their lead tested just like a work site then I assume that requirement will extend to all other "tools" carried in the van being tested and tagged, like the kettle, TV and engle fridge etc and now need the appropriate PPE like hard hat and goggles in case an over hanging object may fall.
I assume the caravan park is providing  tested and certified earth leakage devices on their power connections.

[briann532]

I may be wrong, I'm only a licensed electrician in NSW, but as far as I was aware Australian Standards are a law.

And Australian standards require all socket outlets in a caravan park to be on a residual current device (Safety switch)
If you use a dodgy lead it cuts out......

That said, I'm all for safety and can see both points of view, but I would assume the park managers/owners etc are just trying to protect themselves.
That's what it's all about these days isn't it?

[edz]

Briann,    You forgot to add, Line their pockets with a bit of extra cash ripped from the Holiday makers who havent got a clue and like most Sheeple, Go with the flow and blindly just pay up .

[Cruiser 105Tvan]

Park owners have been rumoured to have cut up power leads they viewed as unsafe.
Have heard of this around the Porepunkah, Bright area.

[alnjan]

I may be wrong, I'm only a licensed electrician in NSW, but as far as I was aware Australian Standards are a law.

And Australian standards require all socket outlets in a caravan park to be on a residual current device (Safety switch)
If you use a dodgy lead it cuts out......

That said, I'm all for safety and can see both points of view, but I would assume the park managers/owners etc are just trying to protect themselves.
That's what it's all about these days isn't it?

I have no qualifications to my name or experience, but my understanding of the requirements are as you have stated.  Hence why a guests power lead is not required to be tested and tagged.  By the same token, a park manager/owner should also have some say if a guests power lead looks dodgy. 

[Snow]

Australian/NZ Standards are not law. Australian Design Regulations that reference the standards are law.

[GGV8Cruza]

What's the use of it when I can walk in to Bunnings and purchase my own tags. Grab a Sharpie and then fill our the tag.

I am in the building industry and it's amazing how quickly any subcontractor can have an untagged lead fixed without even leaving site.

To fix the problem make them only available to licensed testers

GG

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[Pottsy]

Recently stayed in a major caravan park in SA, no requirement on caravanners and campers to have leads tested and tagged, but interesting to note my wife's niece was working in the park testing and tagging all electrical equipment throughout the camp kitchens, cabins, toilets etc, and before anyone asks, yes, she is fully qualified to carry out this work.

[rags]

Australian/NZ Standards are not law. Australian Design Regulations that reference the standards are law.

For electrical safety, it will be a state based Act through a subservient Regulation that will call up a Code or Standard and im guessing for Victoria where the original poster commented on it is most likely the Electrical Safety Act administered by ESV. A standard provides Deemed to Satisfy solutions.

[gronk]

For electrical safety, it will be a state based Act through a subservient Regulation that will call up a Code or Standard and im guessing for Victoria where the original poster commented on it is most likely the Electrical Safety Act administered by ESV. A standard provides Deemed to Satisfy solutions.

I have no idea what that actually means, but unless it's a law, it means jack sh*t..
Does anybody know of ANY van park that enforces a tag and tested lead as part of their entry policy ??

[Bird]

I have no idea what that actually means, but unless it's a law, it means jack sh*t..
Does anybody know of ANY van park that enforces a tag and tested lead as part of their entry policy ??

if so as GG said, just pop into Bunnings and test and tag your own. its ****in pointless.

[GeoffA]

Rated shackles, tyre age, GVM, ATM, and now power leads......when will it all end??

[Rumpig]

if so as GG said, just pop into Bunnings and test and tag your own. its ****in pointless.

it's not pointless....what it is, is a litigation trail on jobsites so someone can be held accountable should something happen. Nothing to do with saftey though sadly

[Kangaron]

Rated shackles, tyre age, GVM, ATM, and now power leads......when will it all end??

6 B&S

[gronk]

it's not pointless....what it is, is a litigation trail on jobsites so someone can be held accountable should something happen. Nothing to do with saftey though sadly

Jobsites are covered by work cover....everything to do with safety, if adhered by. Van parks...covered by ??

[Cruiser 105Tvan]

Jobsites are covered by work cover....everything to do with safety, if adhered by. Van parks...covered by ??

Liability Insurance!!

[Rumpig]

Jobsites are covered by work cover....everything to do with safety, if adhered by. Van parks...covered by ??

no idea what happens in van parks, as i've never owned one, my guess is their public liability insurance covers them as already mentioned. I can't say I agree all the stuff on jobsites is purely about safety,  but you can if you want to.

[kylarama]

Jobsites are covered by work cover....everything to do with safety, if adhered by. Van parks...covered by ??

Van parks are technically a jobsite for the vanpark employees.  They're walking around where all these leads lying all over the ground.  The owners have a duty of care to them.

The OP did say it was only a recommendation, not enforced.  They probably have had an incident, so are butt covering by advising guests.

Not a bad thing to also offer a T&T service, if your enforcing it.  Better to do that than shrug your shoulders and say I don't know. After the guest asks how they get their lead tagged.

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[arjay]

The technical question that needs to be asked is how often the earth leakage outlet is tested.
If it is a work site, it is probably monthly or 3 monthly.

Energysafe issued a warning around ten years ago that just because a lead is in the test period doesn't mean the lead is safe. It needs to be insoected for damage before use.

Commonsense really, but we have legislated out commonsense.