We all clear on the roundabout rules in Oz?

[monbeg]

Most European roundabouts seem difficult but as long as you pay attention and read the signs when approaching they are easy.

Some of the antics you see here on basic two lane roundabouts (especially in SA) are amazing.

This one is between Dublin airport and the city in Ireland, would love to see some of of the people that "negotiate" my local roundabout having a go 

[gronk]

I reckon our small roundabouts are harder than that one shown. The only roundabout part of it is in the centre, and it's way bigger than our little piddly ones.

[monbeg]

I reckon our small roundabouts are harder than that one shown. The only roundabout part of it is in the centre, and it's way bigger than our little piddly ones.

True. The point I was making though was that you have to read the signs and plan ahead.
The latest Ozzie concept of "I want to be in that lane" at the last minute and by just putting my indicator on everyone will let me in won't work on there.

[Bird]

Until there are national rules, we are all ****ed
you have to not only know the rules in your own state, but once you cross a border or 4 on holidays you need to know the interpretation of every single states rules on each and every subject.
Good luck with that.

[Jeepers Creepers]

Until there are national rules, we are all ****ed
you have to not only know the rules in your own state, but once you cross a border or 4 on holidays you need to know the interpretation of every single states rules on each and every subject.
Good luck with that.

I remember back in about 2000 or so. We'd flown in for the Calder Nationals and got a hire car.
Sitting in the middle of the road, waiting to do a right hand turn in Melbourne....friggin horns blaring... comments about whether my parent were married when I was born...... being told to do something that no human body could do....

Who the hell, made up the rule you pull over to the left to make a right hand turn.
Friggin spastic rule that one.

[Cruiser 105Tvan]

Jeepers, its from the days when horse carts were used to deliver stuff, like Beer, and all those other things that make life possible.
Trams in the centre of the road continued the use of this method of turning in the centre of the Melb. CBD.
They were Cable Trams, before they were Electric driven.  Sydney had Trams too, not sure if they had any similar movement/turning rules.
Bird may be able to help with info..
Not sure if he'd want to or if he's still rolling on the floor laughing.

[deepop]

Ha, I have driven onto a roundabout many times when I was the 1st to get on it, only to have a driver on the right come onto it at speed and nearly hit me.
If they had hit me, it would look like I hadn't give way, BUT, I was 1st onto the roundabout.....so it's not always as it seems.

Yeah, agreed Gronk, that's the biggest problem.   It they left it as it was you always had to give way to the right - less problems.

[gronk]

Yeah, agreed Gronk, that's the biggest problem.   It they left it as it was you always had to give way to the right - less problems.

On a roundabout, you still do , as "usually" that's the side you need to give way...if they are on before you ! Or if they are coming with such speed, it's wise to give way as well.

Generally, I don't follow any rules on a roundabout.......jump on and off and avoid getting too near anyone else !!

[monbeg]

I remember back in about 2000 or so. We'd flown in for the Calder Nationals and got a hire car.
Sitting in the middle of the road, waiting to do a right hand turn in Melbourne....friggin horns blaring... comments about whether my parent were married when I was born...... being told to do something that no human body could do....

Who the hell, made up the rule you pull over to the left to make a right hand turn.
Friggin spastic rule that one.

Ha ha, yes that's always good for a giggle in Melbourne especially when you are using a gps for guidance and it thinks you have made a mistake and have turned the wrong way   

If anyone ever has a spare half hour in Adelaide then go to the Britannia Hotel, grab a Coopers and watch some of the antics at this pair of roundabouts when it gets busy, especially when you get a few cyclists in the mix 

[GUEY]

Please excuse my very quick, and very rough sketch

For a three point round about.
For those in the know, or think they are in the know, can someone clarify whether both car A and B need to give way to car C.
Assuming car C has entered the  roundabout first 😉

[GUEY]

Probably a bit better than my chicken scratch 

[GUEY]

Another of the same.

[Troopy_03]

Please excuse my very quick, and very rough sketch

For a three point round about.
For those in the know, or think they are in the know, can someone clarify whether both car A and B need to give way to car C.
Assuming car C has entered the  roundabout first 😉

Car A doesn't need to, if he is proceeding straight ahead (which he must do from that lane), because car C will be proceeding on the inside lane to turn right, or merely turn left before reaching car A or B. And that was a previous point I was making about how bloody annoying it is when car A sits there giving way to all and sundry, when he is going straight ahead. Of course all of that goes out the window when people don't use their indicators to signal their intentions.

[GBC]

I disagree.

A and B both give way.

C can enter on the right and exit on the left if he wants - you can change lanes on a roundabout.

Pretty simple - give way to all traffic on a roundabout, and do not overtake on a roundabout.

Same as turning left on a roundabout or merging onto a multi lane highway - give way to ALL lanes.

I don't love the rule either, but opinions on rules are what cause crashes.

[GUEY]

I disagree.

A and B both give way.

C can enter on the right and exit on the left if he wants - you can change lanes on a roundabout.

Pretty simple - give way to all traffic on a roundabout, and do not overtake on a roundabout.

Same as turning left on a roundabout or merging onto a multi lane highway - give way to ALL lanes.

I don't love the rule either, but opinions on rules are what cause crashes.

This was my understanding also, as there is a dotted line in front of both A and B, and also a give way sign on both A and B sides of the road. From a insurance/law perspective it would be interesting if you hadn't given way.
It is no wonder there are so many accidents.
I should also note that on the roundabout in post #60, there is a driveway just out of shot. Would make it interesting trying to get to that if you can't exit to the left.

[GBC]

Same setup as the one at the airport, Right lane in, left lane out and up the driveway. Perfectly legal and anyone thinks they can sneak through on the left lane will cop a bullbar.

https://youtu.be/Q_K-Hnz4Cl4

"When approaching a roundabout you must give way to all vehicles already on the roundabout.

In some cases on a multi-lane roundabout, it may be necessary to change lanes before exiting. If you are changing lanes you must give way to vehicles in the lane you are moving to." From transport QLD website

[Merts]

I disagree.

A and B both give way.

C can enter on the right and exit on the left if he wants - you can change lanes on a roundabout.

Pretty simple - give way to all traffic on a roundabout, and do not overtake on a roundabout.

Same as turning left on a roundabout or merging onto a multi lane highway - give way to ALL lanes.

I don't love the rule either, but opinions on rules are what cause crashes.

Whilst you can change lanes in a roundabout, the same rules apply as do for changing lanes elsewhere. You have to give way to anyone who is in the lane you want to merge into. I'm not convinced it's as cut and dried as you are suggesting.

[GBC]

Whilst you can change lanes in a roundabout, the same rules apply as do for changing lanes elsewhere. You have to give way to anyone who is in the lane you want to merge into. I'm not convinced it's as cut and dried as you are suggesting.

It is easy. Give way to people already on before you, cut off clowns who don't give way to you. After 14 years at the airport you get pretty good at it. It gets interesting when a French tourist drives straight at you on the wrong side of the road though...yes, true story.

[Merts]

In some cases on a multi-lane roundabout, it may be necessary to change lanes before exiting. If you are changing lanes you must give way to vehicles in the lane you are moving to." From transport QLD website

 

[Chappie]

I go through that roundabout or one very similar and a lot of the cars entering the roundabout in car c position end up changing lane as they go past cars a and b as they are going too fast.   
It does seems a little ridiculous to give way to a car travelling in a different lane?

Quote"If you are changing lanes you must give way to vehicles in the lane you are moving to"

So I am allowed to enter the roundabout as there are no cars in my lane to give way to, and then they have to give way if they want to change into my lane?

[Troopy_03]

I go through that roundabout or one very similar and a lot of the cars entering the roundabout in car c position end up changing lane as they go past cars a and b as they are going too fast.   
It does seems a little ridiculous to give way to a car travelling in a different lane?

Quote"If you are changing lanes you must give way to vehicles in the lane you are moving to"

So I am allowed to enter the roundabout as there are no cars in my lane to give way to, and then they have to give way if they want to change into my lane?

Correct
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[Troopy_03]

Same setup as the one at the airport, Right lane in, left lane out and up the driveway. Perfectly legal and anyone thinks they can sneak through on the left lane will cop a bullbar.

https://youtu.be/Q_K-Hnz4Cl4

"When approaching a roundabout you must give way to all vehicles already on the roundabout.

In some cases on a multi-lane roundabout, it may be necessary to change lanes before exiting. If you are changing lanes you must give way to vehicles in the lane you are moving to." From transport QLD website

That video is for single lane roundabouts. If you happen to use your traffic position adjustment device (bull bar) on a vehicle as you are changing into the left lane, you will cop a hefty fine, for not giving way...

[Troopy_03]

See, this is why they should have never introduced roundabouts into Queensland. 

[GBC]

Correct
Correct

Wrong all day long.

"A vehicle approaching a roundabout must give way to all vehicles already on the roundabout"

There is no, and never has been 'my lane' in any roundabout. The fact that you were confused by a simple video shows you should not be dispensing advice about this.

[GBC]

That video is for single lane roundabouts. If you happen to use your traffic position adjustment device (bull bar) on a vehicle as you are changing into the left lane, you will cop a hefty fine, for not giving way...

Not if they have failed to give way to ALL traffic all ready on the roundabout. That is the simple part that you cannot grasp. I certainly do not advocate using a bull bar in real life, but the fact we are having this conversation highlights a massive shortcoming in people's ability to understand simple road rules. People ducking into a lane do not suddenly get an immunity idol after they have failed to give way.