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Re: Interesting ACCC decision - Telstra
« Reply #25 on: May 07, 2017, 09:55:01 PM »
I'm also with Boost.....but it's $40/mth for me.   How do you get it for $30 ??

You can change the package - I'm going to do it at the end of the month as that's when mine is due up - but I can't remember exactly how.

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« Reply #26 on: May 07, 2017, 10:14:18 PM »
I cannot see boost using the full Telstra coverage.

Compare the coverage of both companies.

That's why boost is cheaper.....

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Re: Interesting ACCC decision - Telstra
« Reply #27 on: May 07, 2017, 10:51:39 PM »
I cannot see boost using the full Telstra coverage.

Compare the coverage of both companies.

That's why boost is cheaper.....


Those maps aren't comparing like for like, The Telstra one is showing both the 3g and 4g network and 3g using an additional external antenna whereas the boost map is only showing the 4g.


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Boost is also one of the few to use the full Telstra network, meaning you get the same coverage as if you were with Telstra.





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Re: Interesting ACCC decision - Telstra
« Reply #28 on: May 07, 2017, 11:45:56 PM »
You can change the package - I'm going to do it at the end of the month as that's when mine is due up - but I can't remember exactly how.


Just pick the particular recharge you want via your phone although there might be a problem if you registered for auto recharge and perhaps you have to change that or it rolls over automatically. You may have to call Boost to delete auto recharge and go back to manual and you can store your credit card details doing that so you don't have to reenter them each month when you manually recharge.

Two benefits with manual recharge. Say you went OS for a holiday you can leave it in abeyance and recharge again when you get back. Also when it runs out at midnight when you're getting your beauty sleep and you recharge next morning you've cribbed a day for the next recharge, bearing in mind you can still receive calls but can't send and if you try it prompts you to recharge. What's not to like with manual recharge?
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Re: Interesting ACCC decision - Telstra
« Reply #29 on: May 08, 2017, 02:28:01 AM »
Two benefits with manual recharge. Say you went OS for a holiday you can leave it in abeyance and recharge again when you get back. Also when it runs out at midnight when you're getting your beauty sleep and you recharge next morning you've cribbed a day for the next recharge, bearing in mind you can still receive calls but can't send and if you try it prompts you to recharge. What's not to like with manual recharge?

Check it out, pretty sure you will find manual recharge is for 28 days where as auto is for a calendar month, so you generally get a few extra days out of auto recharge.

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Re: Interesting ACCC decision - Telstra
« Reply #30 on: May 08, 2017, 07:03:43 AM »
Which is why the Govt should have stayed out of building the NBN and let the market build it.

Here's an idea, let's build another Telecom Australia, oh didn't we just sell that...
So the metropolitan areas can have an even more awesome internet service and the rural and regional areas can get completely shafted again by the market?

Govco is extremely reluctantly providing the absolute minimal service to those non profitable (but most would argue far more vital) areas out side of the big cities.
The market have made it very clear they have no interest in servicing the bush, no money for share holders out there.....

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« Reply #31 on: May 08, 2017, 11:43:50 AM »
Govco is extremely reluctantly providing the absolute minimal service to those non profitable (but most would argue far more vital) areas out side of the big cities.

I don't think the answer is to build a govt network, I think the answer is to put more money in to the black spot program ... govt funding to partly pay for towers to be built in areas where 'the market' doesn't make commercial sense.

And the beauty of it is that it's all subsidised from the tax dollars earned by city folks! Oh, that's me ... >:(
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« Reply #32 on: May 08, 2017, 12:29:54 PM »
I don't think the answer is to build a govt network, I think the answer is to put more money in to the black spot program ... govt funding to partly pay for towers to be built in areas where 'the market' doesn't make commercial sense.

And the beauty of it is that it's all subsidised from the tax dollars earned by city folks! Oh, that's me ... >:(

We (Australia) does need government involvement in the supply of certain infrastructure:
-Roads
-Rail
-Telecoms
because the distances are just too big for the private sector to be interested in doing it, unless they are able to make millions out of it (mining companies for example) very quickly. Most of it is in for the long haul, not a get rich quick scheme.

Particularly with the telecoms, as more and more things are moving online (everything from banking to livestock movements) the need for a reliable robust system is paramount.

Don't worry, I'm sure the country folk will be quite happy so stop producing food for you... :P

I want to know how much State governments are using the mining royalties to build you a new stadium at the cost of many millions (whereas in the UK, the clubs and sponsors build them instead of the State governments) - in effect a one off transfer of wealth out of the regional areas and into the cities.

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Re: Interesting ACCC decision - Telstra
« Reply #33 on: May 09, 2017, 08:09:22 AM »
I thought it also had to do with what's best for the Consumer (I'm sure one of the C's in ACCC is that)... So in reality Telstra keep their monopoly as their Shit is the only real option once you leave the city. Not as Mark says free internet, TV and phone for life for certain decision makers.
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« Reply #34 on: May 09, 2017, 02:22:57 PM »
There is no monopoly, anyone who wants to can build towers where they want, Telstra is the only one who has, that is not a monopoly.

Yep, thats the way I've heard it from someone who works for Voda.
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« Reply #35 on: May 10, 2017, 08:06:58 AM »
There is no monopoly, anyone who wants to can build towers where they want, Telstra is the only one who has, that is not a monopoly.

& that is the thing, isn't it.

If Optus & Vodafone want to examine the map to detect all the black spots around Oz, go out & build towers to cover those spots, then sell space to Telstra, there's absolutely nothing stopping them >:D
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« Reply #36 on: May 10, 2017, 09:56:01 AM »
There is no monopoly, anyone who wants to can build towers where they want, Telstra is the only one who has, that is not a monopoly.
The copper landline network was largely laid down with taxpayer support, back in the days. So access for other companies that that network I think is acceptable. That is not the specific issue here.

But mobile networks are recent developments, in no way taxpayer funded. And as you say anyone can build them if they wish. So for mobile networks, not allowing access to them is standard business practice. If someone wants a network Australia wide - please go ahead and make your own investment of $Billions to create it, Telstra should not subsidise other carriers.
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« Reply #37 on: May 10, 2017, 06:53:29 PM »
There is no monopoly, anyone who wants to can build towers where they want, Telstra is the only one who has, that is not a monopoly.
No they can't!!!
There was a proposal in our area about 7 years ago to install 2 new towers and fix the black spots.

Apparently all the anti-vaccination loonies that infest our region recon the radio waves would make them grow a 3rd head or something and they shouted down the towers.....

So I now get to hang my phone in the window sill to get 1 bar of 3G reception and have to use a Bluetooth headset so I can walk and talk with my mobile phone that can't be moved from that sweet spot.

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« Reply #38 on: May 11, 2017, 11:40:29 AM »
Apparently all the anti-vaccination loonies that infest our region recon the radio waves would make them grow a 3rd head or something and they shouted down the towers....

I'm not into tinfoil hats and alien space rays nor antivaxing but with the first grandchild on the way the question was asked about our whooping cough vaccinations, etc.  Now whilst my folk's generation were no doubt rapt in the ability to have my generation protected against dreaded polio, etc there are worrying signs that WC vaccination may be turning out like resistance to antibiotics as I discovered-
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-problem-of-waning-pertussis-immunity/
You can't innoculate newborns but they do with expectant mothers in the hope that their immunity will be passed on to bub and as much as you can inoculate family members with the triple shot it's now apparent that some of us carry the pertussis virus with no symptoms and with declining immunity generally, WC outbreaks have come back to haunt us again.

We're talking about long term epidemiological risk here and none of us can be smug about the long term intergenerational effects of vaccination, anymore than we can with the use of pharmacological treatments. With ready access to computing power since the 1980s we've been collecting and crunching a lot more data and interpreting it which can lead to discovering recent things like anti-inflammatories being associated with significant increased heart attack risk. Life's a risk/return tradeoff with everything we do and while I never believed in a new heart in a bottle of pills, you might still be gobbling your statins like the missus, while I smoked most of my life but I've been vaping my nicotine fix into my third year now on a real health kick. Nothing like it with the odd coffee now Treasurer, but how's the booze and the waistline with you risky thrillseekers?  :cheers:   




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« Reply #39 on: May 14, 2017, 12:39:09 AM »
Speak of the devil- https://www.businessinsider.com.au/what-a-universal-flu-vaccine-could-look-like-2017-5

“Even though they have seen the virus for many years, there’s so many changes so that almost nobody is protected,” Eliud Oloo, Sanofi’s manager of structure, genomics, and informatics told Business Insider.

That's not what we're told by the cotton wool merchants incessantly is it? Apparently everyone should have compulsory flu shots or be suitably punished forthwith as public enemy number one. Bit of a common theme going down here. There's the tinfoil hats and worryworts wanting to put the kybosh on pete79's towers on flimsy evidence and the ACCC being asked to allow roaming on Telstra towers because it's not fair that Optus and Voda customers don't have the same coverage. I'm bloody bemused that a lot of city slickers I talk to are gobsmacked that you don't get constant mobile coverage travelling across the Nullarbor. Err no it aint exactly like Burke and Wills out there on cruise control but you haven't heard of Flynn of the Outback and the pedal wireless? You know like some country folk aren't exactly glued to Facebook and Twitter 24/7 there panicky people. Sweet Jesus the effing nanny state and the umbilical cord and why a bloke likes getting away from it all occasionally.
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« Reply #40 on: May 14, 2017, 06:48:39 AM »
I'm not into tinfoil hats and alien space rays nor antivaxing but with the first grandchild on the way the question was asked about our whooping cough vaccinations, etc.  Now whilst my folk's generation were no doubt rapt in the ability to have my generation protected against dreaded polio, etc there are worrying signs that WC vaccination may be turning out like resistance to antibiotics as I discovered-
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-problem-of-waning-pertussis-immunity/
You can't innoculate newborns but they do with expectant mothers in the hope that their immunity will be passed on to bub and as much as you can inoculate family members with the triple shot it's now apparent that some of us carry the pertussis virus with no symptoms and with declining immunity generally, WC outbreaks have come back to haunt us again.

We're talking about long term epidemiological risk here and none of us can be smug about the long term intergenerational effects of vaccination, anymore than we can with the use of pharmacological treatments. With ready access to computing power since the 1980s we've been collecting and crunching a lot more data and interpreting it which can lead to discovering recent things like anti-inflammatories being associated with significant increased heart attack risk. Life's a risk/return tradeoff with everything we do and while I never believed in a new heart in a bottle of pills, you might still be gobbling your statins like the missus, while I smoked most of my life but I've been vaping my nicotine fix into my third year now on a real health kick. Nothing like it with the odd coffee now Treasurer, but how's the booze and the waistline with you risky thrillseekers?  :cheers:   




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« Reply #41 on: May 14, 2017, 06:50:29 AM »
Speak of the devil- https://www.businessinsider.com.au/what-a-universal-flu-vaccine-could-look-like-2017-5

“Even though they have seen the virus for many years, there’s so many changes so that almost nobody is protected,” Eliud Oloo, Sanofi’s manager of structure, genomics, and informatics told Business Insider.

That's not what we're told by the cotton wool merchants incessantly is it? Apparently everyone should have compulsory flu shots or be suitably punished forthwith as public enemy number one. Bit of a common theme going down here. There's the tinfoil hats and worryworts wanting to put the kybosh on pete79's towers on flimsy evidence and the ACCC being asked to allow roaming on Telstra towers because it's not fair that Optus and Voda customers don't have the same coverage. I'm bloody bemused that a lot of city slickers I talk to are gobsmacked that you don't get constant mobile coverage travelling across the Nullarbor. Err no it aint exactly like Burke and Wills out there on cruise control but you haven't heard of Flynn of the Outback and the pedal wireless? You know like some country folk aren't exactly glued to Facebook and Twitter 24/7 there panicky people. Sweet Jesus the effing nanny state and the umbilical cord and why a bloke likes getting away from it all occasionally.




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« Reply #42 on: May 16, 2017, 01:56:39 AM »
Personally I thought the ACCC's decision might go either way given the national pastime for believing Gummint can take care of everything that goes bump in the night and the temptation to think of all those poor Optus and Voda folk not getting their fair share of social media while out bush. Perhaps the thought of opening a can of worms with how much sharing and how much compensation for Telstra seemed a bit too much like real work for the overstuffed suits at the ACCC and they decided to leave well enough alone  :cheers:
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