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What is a reliable cheap $5K car to drive around Australia?
« on: February 10, 2017, 12:48:23 PM »
Hi guys,

We have a young female German au pair (18) who has been staying with us for the past 6 months and has become part of our family. She is planning to leave us in about 4 weeks to travel around Australia with another female German au pair around the age. They are looking to travel for up to 6 months around Australia and will probably clock up around 20,000 to 30,000 km's. Their budget is max $5K and preferably less than that so they can service it and complete any preventative maintenance before they leave. So maybe $4K with some wriggle room.

I am assisting them to purchase a car in Perth so that they don't get ripped off or buy a lemon.

My advice has been to buy a BF or BAII Falcon wagon or a VY Commodore wagon. These have a reputation as being reliable if you keep up the maintenance and are very practical with a mattress in the back etc. Plus they are pretty cheap on fuel on the highway ~ 8.5 L/100km and parts are very easy to come by throughout Australia.

However, they have been looking at other models and seem to be keen on the old Gen 2 Pajero (circa NH, NJ 2001-2006 ish).

I'm curious your thoughts on the reliability of a cheap Gen 2 V6 petrol auto for such an adventure? My thoughts are that it wouldn't be as practical or reliable as the Falcon/Commodore above and much heaver on fuel (around 12L/100km I'm guessing for the V6 auto petrol on the highway), but I'm happy to be proven wrong.

Alternatively any feedback on any other reliable car/wagon that could sleep two young german girls and is relatively fuel efficient would be appreciated.

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Re: What is a reliable cheap $5K car to drive around Australia?
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2017, 01:24:32 PM »
I drive past a Wicked Campers lot near work. They seem to have moved away from vans and there are now lots of small Jap hatches with a rooftop tent. Perhaps that's another option.

There's also a big backpacker community that sell fully stocked vehicles to each other as one trip finishes and another starts.

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Re: What is a reliable cheap $5K car to drive around Australia?
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2017, 01:51:11 PM »
Why buy a car i am sure 2 18 year old german back packers will have no problem getting a lift to wherever they want to go
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Re: What is a reliable cheap $5K car to drive around Australia?
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2017, 02:05:59 PM »
No chance you get regular sub 9L/100km in a BA, just won't happen. Aside from which, they aren't reliable.

VY would be a better option. Paj is probably on the money, or a GQ Patrol or similar, although with any bigger car economy will suffer.

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Re: What is a reliable cheap $5K car to drive around Australia?
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2017, 02:28:05 PM »
how about an older diesel Jackaroo?

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Horribly undervalued. (doesn't say Toyota or Nissan on the badge)

4wd.

space to sleep in the back.

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Re: What is a reliable cheap $5K car to drive around Australia?
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2017, 02:49:21 PM »


No chance you get regular sub 9L/100km in a BA, just won't happen. Aside from which, they aren't reliable.


How so?  I do 30,000km + a year in one.  What should I look out for?


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Re: What is a reliable cheap $5K car to drive around Australia?
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2017, 03:14:05 PM »
I have had a 93 3ltr v6 pajero for the last 5 years. I am in the process of replacing it currently but it has been a great car overall that has done a number of extended 4wd trips. There are plenty of cheap examples out there for well under 5k. 

Fuel economy when it was stock on 31" tyres was around 13l/100 on average. Adding a roof cage and larger mud tyres etc. has made that considerably worse. They are definitely not the most fuel efficient vehicle out there.   

The main problems i have encountered and should be looked out for are:
- Head gasket failure.
- Oil leaks. The 6g72 is renowned for leaks, especially rocker covers.
- Clutch replacement at around 310000 (not a problem with an auto).
- Sloppy steering due to worn out idler arm, pitman arm etc.
- 4wd super select system can be problematic but I never had an issue with mine.

Parts are fairly cheap and easy to get if required.

If i was in a similar situation a pajero would be my pick again but i may be a bit biased. I built my drawer system so i could sleep in the back with the seats folded down if required but you could easily remove the rear seats and make something full length.

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Re: What is a reliable cheap $5K car to drive around Australia?
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2017, 03:46:15 PM »
No chance you get regular sub 9L/100km in a BA, just won't happen. Aside from which, they aren't reliable.

What are you basing that on?

Our sons BF returns great economy and having owned several 4ltr falcons over the years to very high Kim's I'm sure they are reliable.

And you go on to recommend to VY, Pajero and GQ  ;D
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Re: What is a reliable cheap $5K car to drive around Australia?
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2017, 03:47:54 PM »


How so?  I do 30,000km + a year in one.  What should I look out for?


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Had three of them, two non-turbo and one turbo.

Common on all of them, brake shudder, diff whine/clunks, cooling system issues, all three had the heater control rod break. Economy on hwy for both non turbo's (I live out whoop whoop so most of my driving is country) was at best 12L/100km, turbo was better at 8.8L/100km. 5 speed manual box is a pig, 5th failed in both turbo and one non turbo, and third also failed in the turbo.

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Re: What is a reliable cheap $5K car to drive around Australia?
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2017, 03:48:13 PM »
If you are talking large car then Mitsubishi Magnas take some beating

https://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Mitsubishi-Magna-2004/SSE-AD-4534963/?Cr=2   $2750 rwc 143K km 3 mths rego wagon

4WD Jackaroo are tough isuzus but unloved particularly in petrol

https://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Holden-Jackaroo-2001/SSE-AD-4498382/?Cr=3  $3500 rwc 230K km 2 mths rego

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Re: What is a reliable cheap $5K car to drive around Australia?
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2017, 03:51:29 PM »
I have a 2000 pathy and will be doing a half lap in it this year...Sydney to Kimberleys WA then home. It's got 250k on it and I'm not worried about it at all. Just went to Albury to pick up a camper trailer and got 11.5/ 100 on the trip down.
Not a bad option if they may wan to get off the blacktop at some point.
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Re: What is a reliable cheap $5K car to drive around Australia?
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2017, 03:52:35 PM »
What are you basing that on?

Our sons BF returns great economy and having owned several 4ltr falcons over the years to very high Kim's I'm sure they are reliable.

And you go on to recommend to VY, Pajero and GQ  ;D

I've personally had three of them (BA/BA turbo/BF), I love the cars but they've never been reliable. I'm an old Ford man, hence staying with them. Previous post has economy and problems.
I had an EL Falcon that I did 900k kms in, it was reliable as hell although thirsty. My partner also had a BA that was a money pit.

I had a VT that regularly returned sub 10L/100km, never required any work. One of the best cars I ever owned.

Pajero wasn't my suggestion, was merely continuing on from the earlier theme. My GQ has been my most reliable vehicle. Granted it's only done 130k kms, but it's never, ever, let me down. A friends has nearly half a million, the only major thing being replaced were the shock absorbers and starter motor.

So yeah, I have some experience with these cars, and that's what I'm basing it on.

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Re: What is a reliable cheap $5K car to drive around Australia?
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2017, 03:57:42 PM »
I've personally had three of them (BA/BA turbo/BF), I love the cars but they've never been reliable. I'm an old Ford man, hence staying with them. Previous post has economy and problems.
I had an EL Falcon that I did 900k kms in, it was reliable as hell although thirsty. My partner also had a BA that was a money pit.

I had a VT that regularly returned sub 10L/100km, never required any work. One of the best cars I ever owned.

Pajero wasn't my suggestion, was merely continuing on from the earlier theme. My GQ has been my most reliable vehicle. Granted it's only done 130k kms, but it's never, ever, let me down. A friends has nearly half a million, the only major thing being replaced were the shock absorbers and starter motor.

So yeah, I have some experience with these cars, and that's what I'm basing it on.

You've had a bad run with the Falcons and a lucky one with the VY id say......not my lifes experience thats for certain  :laugh:

GQ's may be reliable but they would be able to buy 4 falcons by the time they pay for fuel in the GQ going around Australia  ;D
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Re: What is a reliable cheap $5K car to drive around Australia?
« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2017, 05:08:11 PM »
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Just went to Albury to pick up a camper trailer and got 11.5/ 100 on the trip down.
was the engine running?
The one we had wouldn't get that downhill with a tail wind and 80psi in the tyres and a towrope onto a semi and no trailer...
17-20+.100 isn't uncommon for them.

Ours always felt asthmatic like it was being held back... never revved it hard, it just wouldn't.

few other figures here
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Re: What is a reliable cheap $5K car to drive around Australia?
« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2017, 05:29:29 PM »
Why buy a car i am sure 2 18 year old german back packers will have no problem getting a lift to wherever they want to go

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Re: What is a reliable cheap $5K car to drive around Australia?
« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2017, 07:23:16 PM »


My advice has been to buy a BF or BAII Falcon wagon or a VY Commodore wagon. These have a reputation as being reliable if you keep up the maintenance and are very practical with a mattress in the back etc. Plus they are pretty cheap on fuel on the highway ~ 8.5 L/100km and parts are very easy to come by throughout Australia.

BAII or BF wagon is a pretty honest car for the money.  Taxi Technology!
 My daily is an 04 BAII wagon, but it's the Egas dedicated LPG. Pretty much given to me with 250K on the clock and now has 330K (I do 30K+ of city driving). Was one of my works old company cars. Ex Telstra with 40K when they got, so I knew the history.

Bad points (sometimes) are brake shudder, noisy diffs (pinion bearing flogs out) and heater / ac controls (make sure you test this when looking, about $300 from the wreakers for another). I've only had issues with warped rotors. It had new slotted rotors at 240K and its started shuddering at about 310K. I do alot of heavy CBD stop start driving. Shudder is massively common on BA on and Territorys. Not using genuine pads and rotors help, but not a complete fix. I haven't found mine too bad, I'm living with it okay atm.

Mines never had diff or heater issues and I know its full history.

Other stuff like the PS hoses leak, not a major issue itself, but it leaks onto the alternator which becomes an issue. Especially when people desgrease them after a hose change. Coil packs go, but thats more a consumable thing (stick with genuine ones). The mixers on the Egas model usually start leaking around 180K or the stepper motor craps itself. About $800 to replace. Door actuators break, but you can buy gear/motor sets for the actuators for about $8 and take about 30 minutes to change. Doesn't have the rear suspension bush issues like the sedans or Territorys thanks to good old leaf springs, but expect bum sag.

Other one is the trans cooler Shitting itself and mixing the fluid with the coolant. This was more an issue on the series 1 BA's.

They have normal wear/tear issues like most other cars. Fuel pumps, drivers seat belts, drivers window regs. I hang around a fair bit at a mates workshop and thats generally what I've seen.

The Barra motors are near bulletproof, wreakers will sell you a good long motor for $300, cause they hardly sell them. The BTR/ION 4 speed autos seem to have a mixed response. This is my 3rd 4 speed falcon and I've never had an issue. Both this car and a previous EB that was sold with almost 400K had the original auto. Just filter and fluid every 40K. They're pretty slushy, but they do the job.

Fuel economy. 10's are pretty common on the hwy for petrol. I get 11's with gas and about 13.5 around town. Ignore the trip meter (distance to empty and L per 100) not exactly accurate...  Egas has twin 70L tanks with 115L usable, so range is brilliant  I usually fill up every 700km with plenty still in the tank.

You'll probably find something with 200-250K on the clock for that money. If it's got a solid service history, chances are the previous owner has probably encountered the common issues and had them fixed. Keep up the maintenance and happy motoring.


VY probably similar to the above with issues. Just a personal thing, I'd steer clear of VZ on with high k's and the alloytec motor.


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Re: What is a reliable cheap $5K car to drive around Australia?
« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2017, 08:00:05 PM »
I don't know the actual cost, but we saw literally 100's of "juicy" and "wicked " campers on the road last year, all seemed pretty well set up for back packers. The only problem we had from them was the eternal ferkin wizzbanger doors  >:(
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« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2017, 09:06:18 PM »
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I've heard some falcons suffer from brake shudder due to
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Re: What is a reliable cheap $5K car to drive around Australia?
« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2017, 09:37:01 PM »
A well looked after Subaru, we had a forester that went everywhere.

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« Reply #20 on: February 10, 2017, 09:50:45 PM »
I have seen a lot more backpackers in one ton vans like a Toyota Hiace than Holdens or Falcons.  That type of car would give them a lot more space and privacy.

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« Reply #21 on: February 10, 2017, 10:07:18 PM »
We bought a Mazda E2000 van in 2010 for $2500, and sold it 18 months later for about $4k with a rebuilt engine (ie we didn't make a profit) I looked at the Mitsubishi equivalent, but they were a bit more sensitive to overheating IIRC and the Toyota was Toyota tax. VWs were out as parts may be an issue, and the Mercedes MB100 was out as well as for similar reasons.

Whatever they buy, make sure its something that can be sold easily - if they're planning on selling it in QLD then I'd get something with QLD rego etc - and something that the backpacker market wants (they often pay more for something than the local market will), as well as easy to get bits for in regional Australia - most repcos etc carry commo, falcon and similar common parts as stock lines, so if it goes belly up they might only be stuck a day or 2, likewise things like some of the 4wds are more common than others.

My preference (and I drive 4runner v6) is anything that isn't a 4x4 V6 or a FWD V6... why? On the whole i think the V6s are often a bit cramped as quite often the engine bay is designed for a 4 cylinder, and whilst a V6 is a touch shorter, it is a bit more cramped between the arches (or between the bulkhead and the radiator in the FWD)

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Re: What is a reliable cheap $5K car to drive around Australia?
« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2017, 01:05:33 PM »
Bird... nope those figures are accurate. Coming home towing the trailer, i did an experiment.  At freeway speed...110 over 270 km I got just over 18 slowed down to 100 for the rest of the trip and got 16. This is accurate as I need to know what to expect on my half lap.later this year

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Re: What is a reliable cheap $5K car to drive around Australia?
« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2017, 01:27:48 PM »
One of these jiggers as a cheap home on wheels,[ Paid just under $5 K for his from memory ]   if their not going to do the off road stuff, Boss has one and has decked it out very very  cheaply [ Bumblings, super crap, and $2 shops , scrounged bits , gumtree ]  and comfy as a camper van for him and his girl .. Plenty of room if in bad weather,  room to stand get changed move around etc .
They do get pushed around a bit in strong X winds though .

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« Reply #24 on: February 11, 2017, 01:47:26 PM »
I have a 2005 hyundi account  now 12 years old never had a problem 6.5 lt per hundred every one i know  who has hyundis have had good  runs from them my last work car did 300000 km befor i sold it never broke down

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