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Re: Cruiser rolls off Fraser Island Barge - sinks
« Reply #25 on: December 31, 2016, 09:56:36 PM »
so looking at this photo, theres no way it could "roll" off... its facing up slightly -full video on the link too

http://www.theage.com.au/queensland/vehicle-slides-off-fraser-island-ferry-into-water-near-beach-20161231-gtk8pr.html



Haha ... in this day of photoshop and other computer wizardry I am reminded of the old saying "don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see."

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Re: Cruiser rolls off Fraser Island Barge - sinks
« Reply #26 on: December 31, 2016, 10:03:32 PM »
Haha ... in this day of photoshop and other computer wizardry I am reminded of the old saying "don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see."
except there is actual video of it rolling off the back into the drink
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Re: Cruiser rolls off Fraser Island Barge - sinks
« Reply #27 on: December 31, 2016, 10:08:39 PM »
except there is actual video of it rolling off the back into the drink

yeah but Bird posted a  pic of the ramp up so it couldn't have happened ...   ???

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Re: Cruiser rolls off Fraser Island Barge - sinks
« Reply #28 on: December 31, 2016, 10:16:51 PM »
yeah but Bird posted a  pic of the ramp up so it couldn't have happened ...   ???

Where? What pic?
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Re: Cruiser rolls off Fraser Island Barge - sinks
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Re: Cruiser rolls off Fraser Island Barge - sinks
« Reply #30 on: December 31, 2016, 10:50:54 PM »
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Re: Cruiser rolls off Fraser Island Barge - sinks
« Reply #31 on: December 31, 2016, 11:35:07 PM »
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Re: Cruiser rolls off Fraser Island Barge - sinks
« Reply #32 on: December 31, 2016, 11:45:10 PM »
I think it is the classic Swiss cheese model for how accidents are allowed to happen. Policy and procedures are developed to try and ensure that all the holes never align and thus prevent incidents such as this happening, but;

Land Cruiser hand brakes have never been the best, this one by all accounts is basically a rental that does (well, did) the Fraiser run a lot  so it is a fair bet maintenance wasn't a terribly high priority.

Barge working to do as many trips as it can in peak season, so they cut a few corners to increase the trips they can do in a day.

Weather is calm and the trip across the channel is only a short one, so fewer precautions are taken.

Old mate deckie didn't lift the ramp as high as he should or hook the safety chain across as it slows down the cycle times.

The driver of the Cruiser leaves it out of gear, probably with the motor running and the air con cranking because it was so bloody hot.

Driver is probably inexperienced and probably isn't aware of the idiosyncrasies of the vehicle.

Ferry accelerates and hits a small rolling swell.

All the holes align and conspired to create a small artificial reef.


http://andrew.mcgiffert.id.au/blog/reasons-organisational-model-of-system-accidents/

And Yes, the Master and the Mantaray crew will have a long chat with the transport inspectors and probably Workcover.
Yes, the driver should have secured the vehicle, but you are driving into their workplace, so they have a duty of care to ensure that the passengers make it across to the island (regardless of teh disclaimer on the ticket) and recorded procedures on how they will achieve that.
Deviations from or omissions of procedures just to speed up cycle times is really frowned upon as the reason they have been adopted in the first place is for safety. Most times people have died or been injured learning those lessons in the first place.

It is a bit of an inconvenience that a bunch of wallets went to the bottom, but only by the grace of god that it wasn't a wagon with a kid or two asleep and strapped into their child seats. It certainly counts as a near miss in my book, especially as it is a direct result of not following procedures. This shot is a dead giveaway.


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Re: Cruiser rolls off Fraser Island Barge - sinks
« Reply #33 on: December 31, 2016, 11:58:11 PM »
It's been found  ;D
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Re: Cruiser rolls off Fraser Island Barge - sinks
« Reply #34 on: January 01, 2017, 03:22:40 AM »
With the Jayco and Pajero from the 2015 "sinkhole", they'll have enough soon for a full blown, artificial reef.
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Re: Cruiser rolls off Fraser Island Barge - sinks
« Reply #35 on: January 01, 2017, 07:44:32 AM »
But looking at that video, it appears to be rolling quite quickly. To get up that sort of speed, especially slightly up a ramp, you'd think it would have had to have rolled quite a distance along the deck ??? But the barge seems fairly full, so it would appear that it was in the last parking spot, so could only have slid a few m's ???
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Re: Cruiser rolls off Fraser Island Barge - sinks
« Reply #36 on: January 01, 2017, 07:51:07 AM »
The barge has only just taken off and usually the give it a bit of throttle to get it off the beach so that would be enough to get it to move

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Re: Cruiser rolls off Fraser Island Barge - sinks
« Reply #37 on: January 01, 2017, 08:47:39 AM »
I'm sure there will be more vids of the whole incident. Lots of people on holiday so at least a few would be recording the trip whole trip. Wait until they get home and start uploading it all.

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Re: Cruiser rolls off Fraser Island Barge - sinks
« Reply #38 on: January 01, 2017, 08:55:46 AM »
So apart from this mishap how did the rest of the trip go  ??? ???
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Re: Cruiser rolls off Fraser Island Barge - sinks
« Reply #39 on: January 01, 2017, 09:03:04 AM »
Any "This is LAND CRUISER country" signs in the area?..... ;D
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Re: Cruiser rolls off Fraser Island Barge - sinks
« Reply #40 on: January 01, 2017, 09:39:42 AM »
Take into account these barges  are built to have a wet deck and  they slope away towards the ramps, So the cruiser had a decent grade to pick up pace along with the movement of the barge, [ Can see the deck line grade in the side on pics  ]  especially if it had road pressure in its tires.
 As its gone  off the rear end,  having the rear ramp all up and locked may or may not be a requirement,  Just recalling our trips across  there  over the last 20 odd years we cant recall a time the ramp that becomes the bow hasn't  been full up and locked or a time we haven't been instructed to turn off / engage gears and handbrake on by the decky, the rear  ramp though usually does get raised to higher than whats in the pics but not always before pulling away from the beach .
May be just that swiss cheese line up of holes incident thingy .. Driver fails to engage gears / park brake [ or it fails ] cruiser rolled away just before ramp gets raised .
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Re: Cruiser rolls off Fraser Island Barge - sinks
« Reply #41 on: January 01, 2017, 11:30:31 AM »
Wolf Rock Dive will end up diving it for sure.

Hot day, car in neutral, motor running for the air con, useless hand brake and a skipper just a tad slow getting the ramp up = SPLASHDOWN.

They usually dunk the ramp once or twice to get the sand off it as they begin the trip.

Better than the guy years ago, when they got to the island, they lowered ramp and some knucklehead took off to be first.
Pity the barge was still 20 feet or more from the island.... :D
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Re: Cruiser rolls off Fraser Island Barge - sinks
« Reply #42 on: January 01, 2017, 06:15:26 PM »
Hand it back to the people that Will/Should read the Riot act as to how it should have happened . Then Bend over & cop the incoming  >:D                                  :-*           
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Re: Cruiser rolls off Fraser Island Barge - sinks
« Reply #43 on: January 01, 2017, 06:25:19 PM »
My comments on it that I posted elsewhere:
"From reading the story on the ABC website I suspect the following:
-Hire vehicle (already stated in the media) hired out to some European backpackers who were doing the trip to Fraser
-Unfamiliar with Automatics (most Brits drive manual; my wife had her driving licence for 7 years before she drove an automatic) and therefore possibly put it in N instead of P
-Land Cruiser handbrake + hire vehicle that lives a hard life = even worse than normal
-Only picked the car up at Rainbow Beach, so not long to get used to a new vehicle and therefore unfamiliar with the peculiarities of that specific one"

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Re: Cruiser rolls off Fraser Island Barge - sinks
« Reply #44 on: January 02, 2017, 01:51:11 PM »
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« Reply #45 on: January 02, 2017, 09:21:26 PM »
As someone said said earlier I'm suppressed they're still operating that barge.  Would have assumed Workplace Health and Safety would need to come and take a look.

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Re: Cruiser rolls off Fraser Island Barge - sinks
« Reply #46 on: January 03, 2017, 08:21:37 AM »
With School holidays still on, taking that barge out of action would mean long queues for the thousands of tourists still on Fraser. Changing skippers is a much better result.

I would be very surprised if they recover the vehicle due to the strong currents that go through that passage as I would have thought the Cruiser would be miles out to sea by now. 

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Re: Cruiser rolls off Fraser Island Barge - sinks
« Reply #47 on: January 03, 2017, 08:22:55 AM »
No personal injuries so Water Police won't want to know & think same would apply to SafeWork?

Maritime Safety may get involved as lost cargo (yep - car go that way >:D) but doesn't pose any risk to navigation so possibly not. Also, no injuries, no damage to vessel, or risk to crew or passengers so again, probably not?

Think in the end it's probably going to come down to a fight between insurance companies - rental car company v barge owner / operator. 

One thing for sure is that the poor backpackers involved (or at least the one whose name is on the paperwork) have just had a very expensive trip to Fraser - what do you reckon - $60k - $80k ??? :'(
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Re: Cruiser rolls off Fraser Island Barge - sinks
« Reply #48 on: January 03, 2017, 08:32:36 AM »
Got to wonder if both the companies won't try and work it out between themselves...Manta Ray would get lots of work from this company each year, so in their best interest to sort it out behind doors maybe. The vehicle hire company wouldn't want to upset barge operator to much either, not many options for getting onto the island and the other option is more expensive
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Re: Cruiser rolls off Fraser Island Barge - sinks
« Reply #49 on: January 03, 2017, 08:46:23 AM »
There's a thought as well - car company may not even put in a claim? Just hit the kids with a bill of $60k for "replacement value", then they go out & buy another "x"th-hand Cruiser for $5k >:D

Just wondering if EPA may get involved due to fuel, oil etc?

Did anyone ever hear of any fallout from the car & van going into the Inskip sinkhole - was anyone concerned about cleaning up any pollution risk?
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